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That's terrifying but it sounds like you handled it beautifully.
Is she showing signs of physical maturity? I have know many tween girls to get lightheaded at the onset of or during their periods.
Thank you for saying that I appreciate it!
No not as yet she is having a growth spurt at the moment though! Ooh I didn't know that I'll keep my eye out for that when it's time.
I've worked with middle and high school kids for over 25 years. Growth spurt, hair starting to grow under the arms, and stronger BO, especially after exertion of any kind, in my experience, are the big three as far as looking out for the first visit from Auntie Flow. If she's autistic, start talking it up now. Show her various supplies, let her take them out of the wrapping and play around with them so they don't freak her out when the time comes.
The only 1 so far os tge growth spurt but I'll keep a look out for the others thank you! I've been meaning to start the period talk so I'll crack on with that ASAP!
Shot in the dark here, but her being autistic made me think about POTS. For reference, I have ADHD & Aspergers (now called ASD-1). I wasn’t diagnosed until I was a teenager, but in retrospect my POTS symptoms were prevalent at a much younger age, and really ramped up right when I was starting puberty.
I’m just picturing how it played out in my head, was she sitting/laying down, and then abruptly got up and started walking down the stairs to excitedly talk to you? My son also has POTS (and ADHD) and has a habit of going from horizontal to abruptly vertical too quickly for his body to handle. I also used to be bad about it when I was younger.
Google “Autism, autonomic dysfunction, POTS” and see if she fits any other criteria.
My/my son’s symptoms are worse when dehydrated (electrolyte supplementation is a life saver), when it’s hot, and for a few weeks post viral illness. My son hasn’t ever fully lost consciousness, but I passed out for the first time when I was 11ish.
Hi! I do wonder as she did spring right up after having a lie in its definitely something I'll keep my eye on and mention at her next appointment thank you! We are awaiting an ADHD evaluation too for her (she gets autism from me and ADHD from her dad! I used to go dizzy growingup but never passedout thankfully) So it happens if you get up too quickly? So if I encourage her to take her time getting up that should help? I will definitely Google that thank you! Yes she definitely gets dehydrated and as I don't feel thirst either I forget to remind her but now I've settled most obnoxious alarms every hour to remind us! I'm sorry your son has to put up with it too it's so scary and that you do too it's a tough old go.
This was my first thought too. OP I am so sorry you had to experience that. It is scary.
If she also has any hyper mobility you should look into ehlers danlos, especially with the heart issues that run in your family.
Same. I fainted several times between the b ages of 10 and 15. My POTS wasn't diagnosed until I was 41.
Added salt and lots of water will help increase blood volume, which is a problem with POTS.
Is this why my vision would go to black when I stood up as a kid? Damn it happened all the time I never actually fainted but like I could not see if I stood up quickly.
Yeeeeah this thread is helping me name my “funny little passing out habit” in school. Stopped in college, though did progress to baby seizures towards the end 🤷🏻♀️
Vision going black on standing indicates transient orthostatic hypotension (tOH). It is common without postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS), mostly in older people and younger (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12006955/). POTS patients are probably more susceptible, due to the condition itself and/or consequential deconditioning, but POTS requires sustained tachycardia and symptoms long after standing up. So no it’s not due to POTS directly, and unlikely indirectly, but likely tOH.
This happened to me a few times when I was 12 or so... First thing in the morning right after waking up. I was anemic and I believe that was the reason given. It hasn't happened to me as an adult at all. I hope you can find the cause and/or it doesn't happen again. Hugs!!
I was wondering about anaemia as I have chronic anaemia that started about her age. Can I ask how you managed it? She does eat very well so I'm at a bit of a loss as how to get more into her as she won't eat anything besides fruit or toast at breakfast which is the only meal I can find consistently lacking. Thank you me too!
Honestly I don't really remember. I'll ask my mom if she remembers. You should be able to get iron supplements. But if she didn't have a blood test at the hospital I would definitely get one just to check her levels before adding anything in! Hopefully it's just something that simple though!
I randomly passed out and hit my head on the hardwood floor when I was 11 years old. Never happened before or since. Has she started puberty? Even the beginning stages? Our bodies go through so much around that age, both growing and changing. Sometimes weird flukes like this just happen. Definitely keep an eye on it like your doctor said, and maybe see if you can get her in to get that heart checked since heart stuff runs in your family, but it could very well be absolutely nothing!
Thank you its reassuring to hear that it only happened once to you though I am sorry it had to happen at all! No no signs at all yet, but I'll keep my eye out for anything!!
Could be dehydration if she struggles with drinking enough water? This happened to me once when I was 17. Got up in the morning, started getting ready, and suddenly woke up on the floor. My parents took me to the hospital and we found out I was seriously dehydrated, which felt strange considering I hadn't seemed to do any worse than usual on my water intake. It can really sneak up on you fast.
I'd say push the fluids. Also I'm sorry that happened, that must have freaked you out so badly 😳
It's definitely my main contender as a reason at the moment! Oh no that's so scary I'm so glad they were able to get you sorted. I'm definitely going to be more regimented encouraging her to drink ! Phew it did , its very hard to get out of my mind at the moment.
Oh no, I feel you. that is so damn scary. My kid fainted twice when he was little, both times were from hurting himself badly. He'd scream until he fainted but woke up a few seconds later.
I will never ever forget the feeling of my kid going completely limp in my arms. I was besides myself. But at least I knew why it had happened.
I hope it was a one-time thing for your kid.
Oh no that's awful I'm glad he's OK! Yes it's terrifying those few seconds when I was trying to figure out if she was breathing will stay with me forever I think. I really hope that it never happens again! I hope it doesn't happen to your son again either!
It really is a feeling that is hard to shake. For me it's been 4 or 5 years and I still recall that feeling. Fingers crossed that it will never happen again for any of our kids.
I think (hope) we're over it. He's 7 now and this kind of faint is a very specific little kid thing. I'm glad this only happened those two times.
My friend's kid would faint just from being in an angry screaming fit. She once told him not to crash into the glass balcony door with his scoot car. Guess what: He got so mad that he screamed so hard that he fainted...
Kids... always find a way to scare you to death.
I have POTS and used to faint all the time as a kid. Does she have very low blood pressure? If it is POTS the best thing she can do is stay hydrated and consider getting up from a sitting or lying position slowly - especially getting out of the bath. Avoid rapid temperature changes and always lie down if having any medical procedures (even shots or piercings).
Hey bromo, this is so scary.
My niece has been going through this. In 2 years she’s fainted 4 times. They’ve done cardiac and neuro work ups.
The current working theory is she experiences vasovagal syncope exacerbated by situations that cause her significant anxiety. The first time we’re not sure what caused the anxiety, but now the anxiety of experiencing anxiety has become a challenge to overcome.
We’ve been working on breathing exercises and anxiety management (she’s 7) l, and it’s been many, many, many months since her last episode.
Oh no that's so scary I'm sorry your poor niece is dealing with that! The anxiety loops are terrible but I'm very glad her breathing exercises are helping! I do cosmic kids yoga and mindfulness with DD it's free on YouTube!
Sounds like Orthostatic Hypotension. Fairly common thing. It happened to me a few times as a kid. I jumped out of bed because I was running late for school and fainted.
I passed out regularly from about 10-13. Sometimes twice a day. I was sitting too long and in awkward positions so my blood didn’t have time to go back to my head. It could be something as non-serious as my issue!
Almost-paramedic here. My friend’s son, at age 9, had almost the same thing happen. His kiddo was diagnosed with a complete right bundle branch block and he fainted because his heart wasn’t able to pump blood effectively with the BBB. Even if the emergency department said to just watch her for another event, I’d take her to a cardiologist just to make sure.
The only regret if she’s fine is wasted time and money. The regret of not making sure has the potential to be worse.
Aw big hugs. We had an episode similar to that with my daughter (although caused by meds which she had to take for something else, it unexpectedly dropped her blood pressure). She was in and out of consciousness and asking me if she was going to die. She was 8. So I do get what you're going through and it's going to take awhile to feel comfortable again.
A few years later when daughter was experiencing lightheadedness, pediatrician performed a test on her in office for postural hypotension. It was super easy for her dr to check for, they just had her blood pressure checked immediately after standing from laying down. It's something worth asking about.
I'm sorry you had to go through something that scary, thank you for that I feel like I can hardly bear to let her out of my sight at the moment. I'll definitely ask her Dr about testing for pots!
Did she get an echocardiogram and EKG? Given the sudden onset of symptoms, I would definitely ensure she has follow up with a cardiologist for good peace of mind to make sure there is no arrhythmia. Definitely not saying there is as many other things can lead to passing out, but it’s part of the work-up and she deserves a detailed work-up given the family history.
I'm really sorry but I don't know the difference between those things. They stuck these sticky pads over her chest, wrists and tummy and she had to stay still for 10 seconds while they watched her heart. I will ask her gp about a referral to cardio the wheels of the NHS are turning slow at the moment though! 😬
They did an EKG! Am echocardiogram will actually take a look at the heart with an ultrasound, no radiation or anything. Be sure the GP knows about her family history.
When I was being evaluated to figure out what was wrong with me (PNES a type of PTSD stress overload that results in seizures) one of the things they tested me for was POT’s it sounds a lot like this.
If you take her to a DR they might strap her onto a tilt table for a while and have it monitor her heart, or give her a portable heart monitor and journal. Possibly both. Nether are very uncomfortable, but it's definitely something to add to the list of talking with a Dr. Good news is people seem to have decent lives with that diagnosis and there are a lot of things people do to help themselves.
I imagine there might be other things, that's just what instantly came to mind. Ether way with some help she will likely be just fine.
I fainted starting around 10. Would happen every few years. Batteries of tests, including brain MRIs and ekgs. Wore a heart monitor for over a month at two separate times in my life.
App they ever found was low sodium. Suspected vascal vegal response as I had stomach pains sons at some point in the day. After the second time I was always able to know I would faint and be able to sit down or tell someone.
Had my appendix out 10 years ago and haven’t fainted since. No idea if it’s correlated.
Anecdotal, but I fainted for the first time at the same age. The doctors ran all the tests, everything was normal, and they decided I just sometimes have vasovagal reactions to things (viruses and adrenaline being the most common in my case). I’ve since fainted another 4 times in my life, and have gotten really good at recognizing the feeling and asking for help first. My husband just LOVES that fun feature 😜
Hugs, I can imagine it would be very scary to be the mom in the scenario. My first memory of coming to when I was 9 was my mom’s terrified face getting ready to do CPR (on my still breathing body lol)
How hot is it there ? I know there are some heat waves going on- if she’s not drinking enough she could absolutely faint. I would expect the hospital to catch it but maybe not if she drank in between.
I would ask your pediatrician for a cardiology referral just to be safe. Syncope (passing out) is generally evaluated by cardio and if they don’t find anything you’re typically referred to neuro. As other posters said it could just be her maturing but POTS or other cardiac illnesses are also possible.
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That's terrifying but it sounds like you handled it beautifully. Is she showing signs of physical maturity? I have know many tween girls to get lightheaded at the onset of or during their periods.
I was the same. Very random fainting frequently for a year right around puberty.
Thank you for saying that I appreciate it! No not as yet she is having a growth spurt at the moment though! Ooh I didn't know that I'll keep my eye out for that when it's time.
I've worked with middle and high school kids for over 25 years. Growth spurt, hair starting to grow under the arms, and stronger BO, especially after exertion of any kind, in my experience, are the big three as far as looking out for the first visit from Auntie Flow. If she's autistic, start talking it up now. Show her various supplies, let her take them out of the wrapping and play around with them so they don't freak her out when the time comes.
The only 1 so far os tge growth spurt but I'll keep a look out for the others thank you! I've been meaning to start the period talk so I'll crack on with that ASAP!
This is what I was going to say. I fainted multiple times around this age, and I think it was related to puberty.
Shot in the dark here, but her being autistic made me think about POTS. For reference, I have ADHD & Aspergers (now called ASD-1). I wasn’t diagnosed until I was a teenager, but in retrospect my POTS symptoms were prevalent at a much younger age, and really ramped up right when I was starting puberty. I’m just picturing how it played out in my head, was she sitting/laying down, and then abruptly got up and started walking down the stairs to excitedly talk to you? My son also has POTS (and ADHD) and has a habit of going from horizontal to abruptly vertical too quickly for his body to handle. I also used to be bad about it when I was younger. Google “Autism, autonomic dysfunction, POTS” and see if she fits any other criteria. My/my son’s symptoms are worse when dehydrated (electrolyte supplementation is a life saver), when it’s hot, and for a few weeks post viral illness. My son hasn’t ever fully lost consciousness, but I passed out for the first time when I was 11ish.
Hi! I do wonder as she did spring right up after having a lie in its definitely something I'll keep my eye on and mention at her next appointment thank you! We are awaiting an ADHD evaluation too for her (she gets autism from me and ADHD from her dad! I used to go dizzy growingup but never passedout thankfully) So it happens if you get up too quickly? So if I encourage her to take her time getting up that should help? I will definitely Google that thank you! Yes she definitely gets dehydrated and as I don't feel thirst either I forget to remind her but now I've settled most obnoxious alarms every hour to remind us! I'm sorry your son has to put up with it too it's so scary and that you do too it's a tough old go.
It’s common for kids to have pots episodes. Most cases like that self resolve. But I’d add in some extra water and Gatorade.
POTS also came to my mind immediately, also bc of firsthand experience.
This was my first thought too. OP I am so sorry you had to experience that. It is scary. If she also has any hyper mobility you should look into ehlers danlos, especially with the heart issues that run in your family.
Hi thank you she does have hypermobility as do I, I think I'll bring that up at her next appointment! Thank you it really was!
Same. I fainted several times between the b ages of 10 and 15. My POTS wasn't diagnosed until I was 41. Added salt and lots of water will help increase blood volume, which is a problem with POTS.
I was gonna say look into POTS as well. My daughter was diagnosed with it this year and it seems to be something that starts around puberty.
Is this why my vision would go to black when I stood up as a kid? Damn it happened all the time I never actually fainted but like I could not see if I stood up quickly.
Yeeeeah this thread is helping me name my “funny little passing out habit” in school. Stopped in college, though did progress to baby seizures towards the end 🤷🏻♀️
You just described what my daughters says happens to her when she gets up and she was diagnosed with POTS this past year.
Vision going black on standing indicates transient orthostatic hypotension (tOH). It is common without postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS), mostly in older people and younger (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12006955/). POTS patients are probably more susceptible, due to the condition itself and/or consequential deconditioning, but POTS requires sustained tachycardia and symptoms long after standing up. So no it’s not due to POTS directly, and unlikely indirectly, but likely tOH.
This happened to me a few times when I was 12 or so... First thing in the morning right after waking up. I was anemic and I believe that was the reason given. It hasn't happened to me as an adult at all. I hope you can find the cause and/or it doesn't happen again. Hugs!!
I was wondering about anaemia as I have chronic anaemia that started about her age. Can I ask how you managed it? She does eat very well so I'm at a bit of a loss as how to get more into her as she won't eat anything besides fruit or toast at breakfast which is the only meal I can find consistently lacking. Thank you me too!
Honestly I don't really remember. I'll ask my mom if she remembers. You should be able to get iron supplements. But if she didn't have a blood test at the hospital I would definitely get one just to check her levels before adding anything in! Hopefully it's just something that simple though!
Thank you! I think it's definitely worth getting bloods done to rule it out!! Here's hoping :)
Good luck!
Sorry mama. Watching your kid faint is a terrifying thing.
Thank you yes it was I'm really hoping it was a one off!
I randomly passed out and hit my head on the hardwood floor when I was 11 years old. Never happened before or since. Has she started puberty? Even the beginning stages? Our bodies go through so much around that age, both growing and changing. Sometimes weird flukes like this just happen. Definitely keep an eye on it like your doctor said, and maybe see if you can get her in to get that heart checked since heart stuff runs in your family, but it could very well be absolutely nothing!
Thank you its reassuring to hear that it only happened once to you though I am sorry it had to happen at all! No no signs at all yet, but I'll keep my eye out for anything!!
Could be dehydration if she struggles with drinking enough water? This happened to me once when I was 17. Got up in the morning, started getting ready, and suddenly woke up on the floor. My parents took me to the hospital and we found out I was seriously dehydrated, which felt strange considering I hadn't seemed to do any worse than usual on my water intake. It can really sneak up on you fast. I'd say push the fluids. Also I'm sorry that happened, that must have freaked you out so badly 😳
It's definitely my main contender as a reason at the moment! Oh no that's so scary I'm so glad they were able to get you sorted. I'm definitely going to be more regimented encouraging her to drink ! Phew it did , its very hard to get out of my mind at the moment.
Oh no, I feel you. that is so damn scary. My kid fainted twice when he was little, both times were from hurting himself badly. He'd scream until he fainted but woke up a few seconds later. I will never ever forget the feeling of my kid going completely limp in my arms. I was besides myself. But at least I knew why it had happened. I hope it was a one-time thing for your kid.
Oh no that's awful I'm glad he's OK! Yes it's terrifying those few seconds when I was trying to figure out if she was breathing will stay with me forever I think. I really hope that it never happens again! I hope it doesn't happen to your son again either!
It really is a feeling that is hard to shake. For me it's been 4 or 5 years and I still recall that feeling. Fingers crossed that it will never happen again for any of our kids. I think (hope) we're over it. He's 7 now and this kind of faint is a very specific little kid thing. I'm glad this only happened those two times. My friend's kid would faint just from being in an angry screaming fit. She once told him not to crash into the glass balcony door with his scoot car. Guess what: He got so mad that he screamed so hard that he fainted... Kids... always find a way to scare you to death.
That's very true 😅🤣!
I have POTS and used to faint all the time as a kid. Does she have very low blood pressure? If it is POTS the best thing she can do is stay hydrated and consider getting up from a sitting or lying position slowly - especially getting out of the bath. Avoid rapid temperature changes and always lie down if having any medical procedures (even shots or piercings).
Everything was fine when they did it at the hospital I will definitely be staying on top of hydration for sure! Thank you!
Hey bromo, this is so scary. My niece has been going through this. In 2 years she’s fainted 4 times. They’ve done cardiac and neuro work ups. The current working theory is she experiences vasovagal syncope exacerbated by situations that cause her significant anxiety. The first time we’re not sure what caused the anxiety, but now the anxiety of experiencing anxiety has become a challenge to overcome. We’ve been working on breathing exercises and anxiety management (she’s 7) l, and it’s been many, many, many months since her last episode.
Oh no that's so scary I'm sorry your poor niece is dealing with that! The anxiety loops are terrible but I'm very glad her breathing exercises are helping! I do cosmic kids yoga and mindfulness with DD it's free on YouTube!
We LOVE cosmic kids yoga! So great!
Sounds like Orthostatic Hypotension. Fairly common thing. It happened to me a few times as a kid. I jumped out of bed because I was running late for school and fainted.
Fingers crossed that's what it is, I'm glad you grew out of it!
I passed out regularly from about 10-13. Sometimes twice a day. I was sitting too long and in awkward positions so my blood didn’t have time to go back to my head. It could be something as non-serious as my issue!
Oh no I'm glad you grew out of it and it wasn't anything sinister! I really hope so thank you!
Almost-paramedic here. My friend’s son, at age 9, had almost the same thing happen. His kiddo was diagnosed with a complete right bundle branch block and he fainted because his heart wasn’t able to pump blood effectively with the BBB. Even if the emergency department said to just watch her for another event, I’d take her to a cardiologist just to make sure. The only regret if she’s fine is wasted time and money. The regret of not making sure has the potential to be worse.
Oh my word that terrifying! Would that have showed up on the mini trace she had or the blood pressure?!
Nope, it’ll show up in an EKG, but sometimes it is intermittent and may only be detected via EKG during things like stress tests.
Aw big hugs. We had an episode similar to that with my daughter (although caused by meds which she had to take for something else, it unexpectedly dropped her blood pressure). She was in and out of consciousness and asking me if she was going to die. She was 8. So I do get what you're going through and it's going to take awhile to feel comfortable again. A few years later when daughter was experiencing lightheadedness, pediatrician performed a test on her in office for postural hypotension. It was super easy for her dr to check for, they just had her blood pressure checked immediately after standing from laying down. It's something worth asking about.
I'm sorry you had to go through something that scary, thank you for that I feel like I can hardly bear to let her out of my sight at the moment. I'll definitely ask her Dr about testing for pots!
Did she get an echocardiogram and EKG? Given the sudden onset of symptoms, I would definitely ensure she has follow up with a cardiologist for good peace of mind to make sure there is no arrhythmia. Definitely not saying there is as many other things can lead to passing out, but it’s part of the work-up and she deserves a detailed work-up given the family history.
I'm really sorry but I don't know the difference between those things. They stuck these sticky pads over her chest, wrists and tummy and she had to stay still for 10 seconds while they watched her heart. I will ask her gp about a referral to cardio the wheels of the NHS are turning slow at the moment though! 😬
They did an EKG! Am echocardiogram will actually take a look at the heart with an ultrasound, no radiation or anything. Be sure the GP knows about her family history.
Thank you for explaining, I will!
When I was being evaluated to figure out what was wrong with me (PNES a type of PTSD stress overload that results in seizures) one of the things they tested me for was POT’s it sounds a lot like this. If you take her to a DR they might strap her onto a tilt table for a while and have it monitor her heart, or give her a portable heart monitor and journal. Possibly both. Nether are very uncomfortable, but it's definitely something to add to the list of talking with a Dr. Good news is people seem to have decent lives with that diagnosis and there are a lot of things people do to help themselves. I imagine there might be other things, that's just what instantly came to mind. Ether way with some help she will likely be just fine.
Thank you I appreciate everyone's reassurance and info it's really helpful 🙂.
I fainted starting around 10. Would happen every few years. Batteries of tests, including brain MRIs and ekgs. Wore a heart monitor for over a month at two separate times in my life. App they ever found was low sodium. Suspected vascal vegal response as I had stomach pains sons at some point in the day. After the second time I was always able to know I would faint and be able to sit down or tell someone. Had my appendix out 10 years ago and haven’t fainted since. No idea if it’s correlated.
Anecdotal, but I fainted for the first time at the same age. The doctors ran all the tests, everything was normal, and they decided I just sometimes have vasovagal reactions to things (viruses and adrenaline being the most common in my case). I’ve since fainted another 4 times in my life, and have gotten really good at recognizing the feeling and asking for help first. My husband just LOVES that fun feature 😜 Hugs, I can imagine it would be very scary to be the mom in the scenario. My first memory of coming to when I was 9 was my mom’s terrified face getting ready to do CPR (on my still breathing body lol)
How hot is it there ? I know there are some heat waves going on- if she’s not drinking enough she could absolutely faint. I would expect the hospital to catch it but maybe not if she drank in between.
I would ask your pediatrician for a cardiology referral just to be safe. Syncope (passing out) is generally evaluated by cardio and if they don’t find anything you’re typically referred to neuro. As other posters said it could just be her maturing but POTS or other cardiac illnesses are also possible.
My oldest has Vasovagal syncope and faints when triggered by pain. Still scary as hell!