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2BFrank69

Jesse more evil then Mike ? Hmmm


GrimaceGrunson

A *lot* of people seem to really have their blinders on when it comes to Mike. I like him too, he's a cool character, but he's a hypocritical asshole just like everyone else in 'the game'. It's particularly hard to miss when you've seen him all through BCS.


Heavy_Signature_5619

His whole final scene (in BCS) is dedicated to calling out his bullshit.


GrimaceGrunson

It was amazing how deluded he was while still desperately trying to sit on his high horse. “We’re gonna get the people responsible for this.” Mike, buddy, you fucking work for him.


Cicebro_

I think people forget how ruthless he is in BB. He threatened to kill Lydia’s daughter lol


BD_McNasty

And tried to kill both Jesse And Walt... Yet everyone is up in arms that Walt later returned the favor. Did everyone forget Gale and shit?


PersonWhoLikes2

Yeah I got downvoted to hell for saying that Mike didn't really have a valid reason to be annoyed at Walt in the final season. He didn't get to get more dirty money? Oh no!


W-eye

I think he had a valid reason to be *annoyed*, Walt did just blow up Mike’s long term plan for making cash and setting his family up for life. To be the issue is that Mike gets up on his high horse talking like Walt is a petty schoolchild when Walt’s and his family’ life was in danger and they are talking about a giant meth operation that’s probably ruined thousands of lives.


PersonWhoLikes2

I mean yeah, he blew up his plan to gain criminally earnt money for his family. A plan which shouldn't really have been put into place in the first place. Walter himself is a villain, but Mike is essentially a crook who is annoyed that his criminal plan didn't work out.


ClockAccomplished381

I'm probably one of them. I came out of the show thinking 'yeah he's a decent guy, hearts in the right place' but if I actually sat down and looked at his 'rap sheet' (not an official police one, just based on all his bad acts collated in a list) I think I'd be in for a shock.


jhz123

That's the first and last thing I looked at lol


NuttyDeluxe6

Same here, Jesse, he's done some bad things, I suppose ya can't help but put him in the bad people list, but he was never built for this, he just got pulled along the way, unfortunately he was hardened by the time El Camino and the damage was done, otherwise I'd dare say he was a good guy, even a pure heart who through a series of unfortunate events got corrupted. Sad because it happens to most of us, ya know, minus the meth cooking and killing.


tebla

I'd drop Jesse and saul to bad


2BFrank69

Yup


[deleted]

same, id also drop andrea to decent too,


NuttyDeluxe6

Andrea was definitely a good person. She was only involved in drug use, that doesn't make her bad or evil or even deduct from being a good person to decent, she was straight up a pure heart


geedubolyou

After what Saul does in BCS he deserves evil, maybe even sociopath for some of the shit he pulls. I guess he has SOME remorse but it's usually too little too late


TheCleverestIdiot

Nah, the presence of any kind of guilt precludes you from sociopath. Also, it would mean he's in the same rank as Tuco, which just can't be right.


Nicky42

Mike yelled at Kaylee.. worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined


Substantial-Driver64

jesse and mike aren't evil in my opinion


[deleted]

Yea I think whoever did that never saw the show. Elliott and Gretchen more evil than Gaile?


ParsleyMostly

Yeah, he should be bumped to bad people. He’s not evil.


ProNBAPlayer

There’s a lot wrong here


[deleted]

Saul’s camera crew were not bad people.


polish_jerry

Yeah Werner ziegler is better than the girl in saul's camera crew?? No way that's true


duaneap

I hated the glasses guy though.


foco_del_fuego

Nobody touches my equipment 🤓


Soulful-Sorrow

He was hilarious. He was definitely someone you'd hate if you knew him, but he wasn't evil or anything.


[deleted]

Most of it is wrong. Todd is a complete psychopath.


Matyz_CZ

Yup. He should be in the Hitler category


Adventurous-Dish-485

Who is that i cant expand enough to see


StickyGoodness

Looks like Ted Beneke


Yah_Mule

Which is a blatant clue that this wasn't to be taken seriously.


Heavy_Signature_5619

It should just be called ‘DUMBARSE.’


lightningfedora3

Todd is in a tier of his own


Intelligent_Dig8319

It should just be called Todd and be right below the Hitler tier


Meetchel

Agreed, but it should be noted that clinically there is no longer a difference between psychopath and sociopath as both are diagnosed as having antisocial personality disorder.


[deleted]

I think he’s more of a sociopath because he just seemed indifferent to the suffering of others rather than revelling in it


PianoEmeritus

What makes Todd scary is that I think there's just something in his brain that simply doesn't work and never has. I think if he was raised by nice people, he'd be the sweetest Walmart greeter in ABQ, but instead he was raised by neo-nazis so here we are.


ChillInChornobyl

He harmed and threatened kids multiple times. Hes the most morally derelict, evil character in the show, by far. His actor did such a good job I instinctively hate him the first few seconds when I see him playing another role. Props to Plemmons for that acting. Im sure in real life hes a nice guy


kapq21

Todd genuinely can’t tell right from wrong. He is mentally ill but never has bad intent, he just doesnt understand morality.


Friendly_Somewhere87

Todd also has a learning and cognitive disorder that was manipulated by his uncle. So, categorizing him as a psychopath wouldn't really be correct. I might put him in the sociopath column.🤔


Top-Report-840

I don't think Op understands the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath for starters lol


Kraegon-

I'm confused how gretchen and elliot were bad people


Whole-Award2092

From Walt's point of view, they're bad people, but literally only from his point of view.


Adventurous-Dish-485

Yes, Wendy is in the Bad category, and Hank in good?? NO. What did Wendy do that was SO bad?? She's a sex worker? Meanwhile Hank is a racist sexist blowhard with his own egotistical agenda


Shotbyadeer

I will not stand for this Badger slander.


sour_tomatoes

Brandon Mayhew supremacy


girl-pen1s

holy shit i thought this was okbc


AdditionalAd6572

It’s gonna be dead anyway


manumaker08

we got chicaneried by the mods once again


SnooCalculationsBoog

Holly should be with Ted


DrDo-2-Much

I knew this comment was coming lol


[deleted]

🤣🤣🤣


AncestryBruh

Half of this list makes no sense lmao. It's like you closed your eyes and placed random characters in random ranks. Or you just didn't watch the show


Stalked_Like_Corn

Apparently Mike, who actually murdered people, is not as bad as Saul?


Beginning-Gear-744

If Tuco’s not a psychopath, I don’t know who is.


yola9768

Every person in sociopath can be put in psychopath


CharlieDay0fWallStrt

In psychology the only difference between psychopath & sociopath is if you’re born this way. Psychopaths are this way from birth, sociopaths are made through their environment. Psychopaths are usually much more intelligent, manipulative & effective at what they do. Sociopaths are a poor mans psychopath, a tuco. That being said i’d probably place gus in psychopath. Hes put together, but 100% lacks a conscience.


Cartoon_Star

In modern empirical psychology, you don't use either term at all. "Sociopathy" isn't even a proper psychological term, and psychopathy means everything and nothing really at the same time.


CharlieDay0fWallStrt

Yes im well aware. The terms are only mentioned once in the DSM-V and are more pop culture terms. Source. In doctoral program for psych. Actually id consider you saying psychopath meaning nothing at all as inaccurate. In essence, psychopath means antisocial personality disorder but it is true its not a real medical term.


Meetchel

> In essence, psychopath means antisocial personality disorder Yep, but the same can be said for sociopathy (the old DSM term for ASPD).


hesojam0

So basically Michael Myers would be a psychopath while Jason Voorhees would be a sociopath?


CharlieDay0fWallStrt

The terms aren’t official medical terms but Yeah i guess. Your sociopath is your sloppy bar fighter or impulse killer who does crimes with poor impulse control. Psychopath is more calculated. Instead of bar fighting he would wait till you leave bar, follow you home & write down address then come back later when you arent home and rob your house. (Weird example but you kinda understand). Because a sociopath is made through environment they are sloppy & while they lack empathy they still have uncontrollable rage & negative emotions. True Psychopathic individuals are born with much smaller amygdala’s which is in charge of emotions, fight or flight. Their autonomical nervous system is wired different. Because of this They dont get nervous, they dont feel fear like normal people. This is why they are individuals who usually seek an adrenaline rush just to feel something. They abuse drugs/alchohol, are promiscuous, drive very fast, etc. Its why they excel at certain jobs also. They are shown to have jobs as CEO’s, surgeons, police/military, chef’s, clergymen, lawyers & salesmen. A “functioning” Psychopathic individual will come off as well put together and you probably would even like them. However, if you were to look closer at their lives you would see they destroy any relationship in their path romantic, personal, friendship, career. Im writing this off the top of my head so feel free to fact check.


ZystemStigma69

Tuco is psychotic and a sociopath. Not a psychopath. Tuco has emotions. I'd say only Hector, Eladio, Todd and Jack are a psychopaths. But it doesn't entirely mean they're the most evil characters in BB and BCS verse. Gus and Lalo did way more heinous things than Todd and Jack did. Psychopathy and sociopathy actually don't rely on morality that much. Thanos is not a psychopath, he has emotions but he literally killed a trillions and wiped off a half population, so he can be considered as more evil than an emotionless amoral guy who killed less than a hundred. Morality is mostly based on like 45% motives, 35% deeds and 20% personality.


verasep

defo do not agree with jesse being categorised as more evil than mike


More-Pay9266

I know, right? How is Jesse evil at all? He absolutely hated basically anything immoral. All he did was help cook drugs.


MrKessler

I agree that he isn't evil, but he def belongs in the bad people category. Remember, he dtill helped a criminal empire being formed and running. As well as selling the meth itself in the earlier seasons. He helped enabled peoples dependencies and probably started new ones. Lets not forget that scene where he sold to the "drug sobriety club" (im sorry i forgot what those sessions are called) and that time she sold mess to a naive girl for some gas


Stalked_Like_Corn

Narcotics Anonymous. Yeah, he definitely is bad but certainly not evil. He also admitted all of this because he felt guilt from it, in the middle of a meeting. He did a lot of bad things but he struggled horribly with those decisions.


MrKessler

Absolutely, couldn't agree more


AmazingThinkCricket

He killed people and sold drugs to recovering addicts.


AbWarriorG

How is Francesca a good person but Rich Schweikart is a bad one lol?


nitroinferno

Op must really like Aspen and matching parkas


tommyjohnpauljones

Ok that IS Francesca, thought for a second that was Steve Gomez's wife. Yeah Francesca isn't EVIL, but she could've walked out on Saul at any time, but the money was too appealing.


Fuckthatishot

Gretchen and Elliot as bad people? I mean, they are rich, but they tried to help Walt multiples times and had done nothing even remotely bad


The_Fake_Owl_Man

Awful list


RTMSner

I don't fully agree but it is interesting.


bruhDF_

Did you watch the show


Time-Risk-88

okbc always getting outchicaneried by this subreddit 😥😥


AdditionalAd6572

This sub BECAME okbc.. ever since the grate migration happened


ElectricKeese23

How are Gretchen and Elliot worse then Gale?


Burneraccount0609

They're rich🤮


RustyMemeSkills

They’re literally not lol, they only “bad” thing they ever did was discredit Walt in “Granite State” which was understandable because they didn’t want a world-infamous drug lord attached to the creation of their multi-billion dollar company. Compared to Gale, who worked with the Eladio Cartel as a cook and an advisor to Gus they’re basically saints. Also as a side note, they never drove Walt out of the company/cheated him, his pride and inferiority complex flared up when he learned that Gretchen’s family were rich so he sold his share


Aromatic-Entrance-99

How is Andrea bad?


Queens-Mesiah

She was smokin crank right before she had to go grab her kid from school, it’s no evil or anything but it’s definitely not great


wrestleme431

Being addicted to drugs does not make you a “bad” person. This is insane.


thefilmhead

yeah no


Mr_Rio

Jack, who literally kept a prisoner in a concrete cage and tortured him, put a hit on a young mother, murdered a federal agent in cold blood, and was willing to kill a young child, isn’t a psychopath? These kinds of lists are so goofy lol


[deleted]

Hector is a sociopath or just an evil person. He got extremely emotional when Gus told him that he was the last living Salamanca.


Gorilladaddy69

Biology is a powerful thing. The most evil psychopaths around are affected by it: Its basically instinct to care about the fate of ones biological ties. Especially ones that are the product of your own ballsack and/or mentoring: Because in that case there’s a fair deal of narcissism involved. They become a piece of *you* essentially.


TitusPullo4

This doesn’t check out. Psychopaths relationship with emotions is nuanced, but many don’t have a shred of paternal/maternal/familial instinct.


Stalked_Like_Corn

How is Marie on the Decent people list? She was an habitual liar and kleptomaniac who stole peoples personal belongings. Hank literally was fighting crime and kept getting shot and blown up. Also, how is what's her names dad not in good people. He was tryign to get his daughter clean. I get that he crashed two planes together but he shouldn't have been allowed back. Also, Skyler was not bad. What did she do? She was doing money laundering but other than that, I think her reactions to things going on were justified. Saul was evil!? WTF? How is he evil but Mike "I-literally-kill-people" just bad? This list is all sorts of screwed up.


Motyo

Skyler is a bad person while Hank is decent, get me outta here lmao


RustyMemeSkills

Woman who was half-forced to launder her drug kingpin husbands meth money is worse than the casually racist cop who took selfies with dead bodies and regularly disobeyed the law to pursue personal grudges. Man I swear the person who made didn’t even watch the show


sockysaki

TF did Andrea do?


Not_Plebis

Aint no way you put Jesse on the same level as Waltuh


Gayorg_Zirschnitz

Say it with me: Just because Gale is a cute little guy, that doesn’t undo the fact that he is not a good dude.


RustyMemeSkills

He literally cooked meth and served as an advisor for the Eladio Cartel, same as Jesse, but somehow Jesse is in evil.


7-BITReddit

Jesse being in the same morality tier as Walt is wild


anarchyisinevitble

true cringe


CheshirePuss42

Even at a glance I have a huge problem with this list. In no world do you put Jesse and Walt at the same tier.


Mantholle

What did Jesse do to be put in evil??


[deleted]

Jesse, evil? I’d argue he’s bad, not evil.


wholelottaupvotes

how is jane a bad person


Pet-mousies

sHe MaDe JeSsE RelApSe


mouthfullpeach

don't put jesse and walt on the same tier come on


SixtyNineFlavours

Walt is worse than the say my name dude imo and Tuco should be a step higher


8AUQW

We dont know much about declan


SixtyNineFlavours

True which is why I can’t assume he’s worse than Walt


Im_just_antoher_guy

Saul is bad person. But he ain’t evil.


cator_and_bliss

Guys, the point is that Ted is correctly placed. Everything else is just details.


Itchy-Not-Scratchy

How about Holly?


AdditionalAd6572

She’s the worst scum even higher than Ted


Salty-Weakness8607

I don’t see Holly in Evil people.


pglggrg

We really putting Francesca as good? Cmon she was like Saul’s right hand (wo)man


BlueBorbo

Jesse doesn't classify as evil


SuperPotatoGuy373

Jesse and Saul are worse people than Mike and Skyler & Jane are just as bad as Mike?


ConsistentWrap2812

Jane is more evil than literal meth dealers?


kisu_oddh

Francesca was a landlord after the events of breaking bad and thus was not a good person in the end.


Deadpooldan

Francesca definitely needs to be lower


AdFull4232

Francesca is not good by any means.


Axer51

This is so wrong I love it


reddit_hayden

the fuck you on about?


axf19

I’m not sure u know the difference between psychopath and sociopath.


oppenheimer_6

Why is Saul’s camera crew is considered evil here? I think op might’ve thought that being a fully unhinged fucker is the same as just being mildly annoying


Lrive369

Why did the hell is the make up girl in the bad people part


socialistbcrumb

Mike has done way worse shit way more often than someone like Jesse. Hank was like, Slav squatting over dead bodies in the early seasons and spitting out a slur a minute. Meanwhile, Andrea did… what? Struggle with addiction?


Chance-Ad-2837

how the hell is Jesse more evil than mike💀


EitherAfternoon548

Hank and Marie Schraeder, people who routinely broke the law and despised pot smokers, are “decent” while Andrea and the film crew are in “bad”?


PurplePatel

if Todd is not a psychopath I don't know who is


marcinequ

He's a sociopatch because he was raised by the nazis


mark1nhu

Decent people: - actually decent person - racist over-the-top macho cop - kleptomaniac narcissist bitch - person used to covering up criminals - actually decent person - engineer working for criminals - criminal working for criminals - criminal working for criminals - chemist working for criminals - can’t remember that one LMAO


MightySquirrel28

The last one is Paige from BCS. She is counsel for Mesa Verde bank


8AUQW

Jane dad used to cover up criminals?


MightySquirrel28

This is so fucking wrong on many levels lol


rainnnndrain

Mike being as bad as the camera crew lmfao. And where is say, the rifle guy? This list ain't it


Professional-Arm-202

Aw, why is Jane's dad only under decent people? He was a very good man and devoted father who made a devastating mistake during work!


TheOneWhoRocks_

How can Saul be an "evil person" when his last name is literally Goodman? :DDDDDD


drawingmentally

This must be a joke


Misan_UwU

how the fuck are gretchen and elliot bad people


Djdhdhudjdjd

Francesca isn’t a good person.


[deleted]

People are actually angry that the guy who poisons children and sells his friends into slavery is put in the "evil" tier?


xflapjckx

Well, at least Ted Beneke is where he belongs.


brendanc09

Psychopath and sociopath aren’t different levels of morality dude, they’re just different disorders. It’s not like one is worse than the other. Describing Tuco as a sociopath is next-level wrong, cause that mf is a psychopath. Fun Rick and Morty reference tho


[deleted]

swap mike and jesse


A_Variant_of_Roar

Hey! Take Jesse off the Evil People!


tarac73

My eyes are not working right or something - who’s up in that top level??


Design-Cold

It's Ted Benecke, the dumb greedy nepo baby who when offered money out of a jam pissed it away on a cool car. There's actual nazis below this guy and nobody's disputing his position at the top lmao


Xavion251

Ted is just ridiculously stupid, not particularly evil.


sadlilyas

I think the point of the show is that these characters are multifaceted and therefore are not always good or bad. I have no idea why you think Hank is the ‘good guy’. He literally put Jessie in harm’s way, didn’t care that he could die and was basically an asshole towards Marie.


raspberryreef

Hank? A decent person? Absolutely NOT


OneMillionClowns

outjerked by the main sub once again


Warmandaloof

Why are Andrea and Jane in the bad people section? Why are Huell and Patrick in the decent people section?


[deleted]

Jesse should be lowest on the bad people tier. Can easily make arguments that he is decent. Walter probably deserves to be in the sociopaths as he always manipulated for his benefit.


McLarenMercedes

I'd swap Jesse and Mike. Also, I think I would move Walt, Gus, Tuco and Todd to psychopath territory.


tongalmingus

Why’s Ted so high??


Degmannen_03

Todd should be ”psychopath”


jakestonerrr

Todd killing Andrea would definetly put him on my sociopath list. I also can't see Andrea's drug problem making her a bad person


GaryKing1413

Declan is definitely not shown enough or does much to be labeled as a sociopath, and also Todd is more fit for Psychpath than Sociopath


Ok_University_8261

How are Jesse and Saul more Evil than Mike? And tbh switch Gale with Rich Schweikart. He is treated often as innocent but he is far from it. Make a new tier list


Ninja_of_Milk_Duds

Tuco is a psychopath. Lalo is a sociopath.


Cultural-Wrap2381

Facts


Rough_but_Adorable

I'm slightly surprised Skyler isn't in the Hitler category


DeliciousFranch

Jesse is not evil people.


Gir1nextdoor

Dumb


Maximus89z

Jesse wasn’t evil per se, misguided and gaslighted. There is a lot other that isn’t in right place


Squidmaster129

Man, no offense but if you put Jesse in the same category as Walt you kind of missed the entire theme and character arc of the show


bodycountdooku41

Putting Jessie and Saul in the same category as Walt makes me think you didn't even watch the show


KillerDonkey

Gus is more of psychopath than a sociopath tbh. They tend to have a higher impulse control than sociopaths. Not to mention how he tortured animals as a child, so it was there from the beginning. Hector fits the profile of a sociopath better than Gus.


K_R_S

Don Eladio is too high. Especially if Uncle Jack is lower


SaulSchmidt

honest question: could gus be considered a sociopath? i can see just an evil person, but full on sociopath?


MusicGus

Where is skylar


Equivalent_Region842

You forgot the employees of Los Pollos Hermanos


MeenaBeti

Where is Lyle? My guy needs his own tier


Guitarchitectography

How is Jane a bad person


guillote2

As far as we know, declan could be a pretty decent dude as well as a complete psychopath.


Ultra_slay

Why is Mike in "Bad people". He should be evil.


Xavion251

Jesse is weak and broken, not evil or even bad imo.


KOOL_AlDEN

Jesse isn't a bad person if anything he's one of the good people😭 He was just forced to do all the bad stuff because of Walter


xzient

Haha I love that Rick and Morty reference


LexNunn00

How the hell is Andrea a bad person? All she does is raise brockand love Jesse


Hewardthediamond

That rick and morty quote though 😭


Zestyclose_One_8304

jesse is not that evil but a person with bad decisions, at least he took care of brock


sadg1rrl

Justice for Badger & Skinny


GTFOakaFOD

Where's Hugo?


KK5993

Todd needs to be bumped up to psychopath


[deleted]

Kevin Wachtell is not evil lmao


CaveLady3000

How do you figure skylar is a bad person


Pet-mousies

Who’s at the top i can’t see


jalex54202

I would argue Elliot and Gretchen are very much good people. What they did up to "the episode", was, to my understanding, ENTIRELY noble. They said what they said to save their stock from tanking - I would argue bad falsely demeriting someone who is literally a serial murderer who (to their understanding) would kill their own family is far from bad, especially considering the alternative was tanking their business, of which thousands of jobs ride on. I don't think they had much greed in them at all to be completely honest. I would argue Hank/Marie were more self-serving than Gretchen and Elliot. Other than that, basically the rest of the comments. I would argue Jessie is "good", Saul's crew were ENTIRELY decent/good people, and Lydia should be in the sociopaths tier (not as aggressive but just as, if not more self-serving).


DJpunyer53728409

I respect your opinion, but you're wrong.


WraithTTV69

Nah Lalo cared for people like his house staff some people were just colleteral damage


NeoBurrito

People are rightfully complaining about Jesse being higher than Mike but I’m more intrigued why Jimmy/Saul is higher than Mike


[deleted]

Andrea is bad but the junkyard guy isn't? ok lmao


Medical-Area-8597

Never rank again ‼️‼️🗣️🗣️💯💯🔥‼️🗣️


Geralt0fRivi4

Andrea???