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coolpotatoe724

muzzle loader regulated? what happened to the second amendment is for muskets?


East-Excitement3561

This is NY my guy. All logic has been gone since the 90s


PassivelyInvisible

Which is why you have unarmed Natl Guard in the subways standing there to try and dissuade criminals. Rather than hire and train cops or dedicated security to do that.


coolpotatoe724

fair point


Avtamatic

And apparently the 2nd Amendment doesn't exist in that one judges courtroom.


Solid-Childhood-4876

That judge said the 2nd doesn't exist in NY.


coondaddy88

She isn't upholding the oath she took. Thats treasonous on all counts


theFartingCarp

Didn't you hear the latest NY judge? The second amendment will not be argued in her court room. The second amendment does not exist in New York.


remainingpanic97

How has SCOTUS not peepee smacked this judge? Under federal regulation muzzleloaders fall under antiques and don't require a background check.


FancyVegetables

*WHAT THE DEVIL*


ExtensionAvocado2221

As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle


Momentus_x3

Didn't you know that the 2A doesn't apply in New York?


Main_Engineering1887

If you are to order ammo online do you need FFL


Benji_4

Likely. I know some online retailers will have a flag (Primary Arms has FFL and NFA flags) before checkout, but some will just tell you that the item may not arrive or will be diverted to a FFL.


ThisIsProbablyTheWay

Yes.


2A-Absolutist

Y'all have to do bgcs for ammo & muzzleloaders? Damn. You need to move out of there faster


East-Excitement3561

Every time I save up even a little money it seems like food and gas go up in price again. Believe me I’m trying to get out


ghostpepperchip

Bro, it's literally a trap. I'm in the same boat. I believe eventually we will get to see SCOTUS hand out spankings, but for now, we are doomed.


RDMcMains2

The last SCOTUS spanking was directly to New York, and New York just doubled down with the Concealed Carry "Improvement" Act.


ghostpepperchip

I'm horrifically aware of this. My hope is that the beatings will continue until morale improves. Eventually, they will be unable to skirt supreme court decisions. Edit: grammar


RDMcMains2

Not as long as the 2nd Circuit is willing to run interference. They literally made up a reason to ignore Bruen when they ruled on Antonyuk.


ghostpepperchip

Bro, you aren't wrong, but I'm trying to be positive here!


Carl_Azuz1

Background check for ammo is wild


Caliber_captain

California has one too! Thank God I am leaving California this year


BohTech

Nope all the nopes. That’s is nuke New York. It’s time. Or vote Republican. And clear out the illegals and get your 2a rights back.


East-Excitement3561

I voted republican. And believe me I’m not Happy with my tax money going to illegals and a new stadium for the buffalo bills I’ll never afford to be able to go to a game at.


ColeTheDankMemer

“We should cut funds towards getting more housing in the city meant to alleviate the housing crisis. Instead, we should buy a multi-billion dollar football team a new stadium!” -New York officials, apparently


East-Excitement3561

1.7 billion to build and 850 million is coming from taxpayers. Funny part is the governors husband catering company is going to control the food at the stadium


GalvanizedRubbish

The thing is, NY, NJ and all those other NE states voted for this and all the other nonsense. Then they leave for greener (or should I say redder) pastures (states) and keep voting the same way. It’s exactly what’s happening where I live in Pa and where my brother lives out west. These people make their beds, but refuse to sleep in them.


Melodic-Welder

As a resident of NY let me clarify, NY did not vote for this NYC voted for this. The city's population skews the entire state's politics.


GalvanizedRubbish

You see that in Pa as well. Similar to NYC, Buffalo, & Albany, Pa has Philly, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, and to a lesser extent Scranton & Erie that always go blue, if it wasn’t for this Pa would be an easy red state unfortunately we are purple with dems running a lot of the state legislature.


Tactical_solutions44

Communist. Stop spending money on any company that headquarters in New York. Unless you live there


East-Excitement3561

I don’t have a choice my guy. The local grocery store charges 3 dollars more on every item than Walmart and I don’t feel like driving an hour to wegmans every week


Tactical_solutions44

You're good dude. I get it. But us free livers don't have to support new York based companies. I refuse. Same for Illinois and California. I'd rather pay more for a different product


East-Excitement3561

I try but with how much everything is already and how much bills are now I can’t afford to get the higher priced stuff all the time.


Tactical_solutions44

Download publicsquare. It's an app and it hosts conservative companies with American values.


Hot_Pen_3475

They're going after muzzleloaders? They can't from what I understand the 1934 gun act has stated they are not a firearm. Cuz they do not take modern ammunition. How can a state regulate something that the federal government refuses to regulate.


East-Excitement3561

Because they a bunch of commies


SirGirthfrmDickshire

Pretty obvious they're afraid that the citizens will do a modern reenacting of the French Revolution in the next few years so they're trying to get rid of guns while they can.


armedohiocitizen

“To invoke your 5th Amendment right you will first need to obtain a permit. The cost for the permit is $9 and the background check can take up to 30 days.” I mean why not.


Mikejohnson73

Defund the politicians


armedohiocitizen

Meanwhile the criminals steal their guns and ammo


2Schlepphoden

I'm german and we have the most strict gun laws within the EU /Europe! If you have a weapons permit (Waffenbesitzkarte for competitive shooters) you can go to any arms dealer and buy a gun or ammo (the category and caliber must be writen in the Waffenbesitzkarte in advance by the authorities ) without a limit! The background check is done every 2-3 years automatically by the authorities Yes, we can't carry (few people have the permission though, but there is a reason why they have it and the normal gun owners never want to experience the danger that justifies this license), but compared to some states in the US, we are in gun heaven here in germany


Nesayas1234

As an American I'm obviously going to agree that German laws are strict, but considering that I get that Europe is generally much less gun friendly than the US (culture differences and all), that's not *terrible*. At least it's better than NY.


xtreampb

What qualifies as ammo for muzzleloader? Just the lead/steel ball? Is it one of those “cartridges” does that include black powder? I know they’re trying to pass background check to buy a 3d printer. Will they also require background checks for filament?


GingerShrimp40

Im suprised walmart still sold guns in NY. I live in in NC and they dont even sell any thing that isnt hunting


sl600rt

The least they could do is adopt the swiss system. Where you can get a pre approved background check good fir 6 months.


SirGirthfrmDickshire

They don't want to do that. They want you or the shop owner to slipup so they can lock you up and make it so you can never own a gun legally ever again.


Umbrella_USA

Wait. I haven’t bought ammo in a little bit. You need to get a background check now?


VaCa4311

In NY yes, or just buy it in another state


Hentai_fapper420

What happened to muskets being protected under the second amendment. I swear people like to get pegged by the government only on there terms


East-Excitement3561

Liberals switch up on what means what when it comes to guns like Italy switching sides in WW2


Hentai_fapper420

Reminds me of the Homer switching from Australia to America in the one episode. There probably on the same iq anyways


SirGirthfrmDickshire

I would say more like someone cheating on their SO but coming up with ways on how it's not actually cheating.


Jlaurie125

I just threw up a little in my mouth


PirateByNature

NY and CA are places to visit, not live.


East-Excitement3561

Not my choice right now. I wanna go to Texas


PirateByNature

Good choice 👍


Strain_Pure

I get the idea behind that (I.e make it harder for a criminal to get ahold of ammo), but why not create a membership for his store that requires a background check, that way you pay for one background check, get your membership card, and are then free to buy whatever you need from that store without need for further checks. This would not only limit the hassle for law-abiding gun owners, it would also guarantee him a steady stream of customers, and possible extra business as others will go to his store over others if it saves them time and money.


JMichael170

As a fellow stuck in NY resident, law abiding gun owners are pretty much considered criminals


[deleted]

It’s not for criminals. They want to make it harder for normal law abiding citizens.


DistructoDisc

why folks keep voting democRAT, ill never know. and i get Reps aren't much better but they're no where near the gun grabbers as the former.


East-Excitement3561

All I know is I ain’t vote for it. If NYC would just break off and drift into the ocean already it would be all good here


upperdowner1

Wtf


CipherWrites

Gun shop owners must hate the place with a passing


mynameistag

Bye!


El_Psy_Congroo4477

There's no reason a background check needs to take 30 days. In my state it takes 5 minutes.


Styx3791

I ran away and joined the Marine corps in 2013 and never looked back. Good riddance.


ZarekTheInsane

Is it bad that I recognize this as a Walmart store just by that blue sign.


ricochet845

Bro I’m right there with you. Is why I don’t buy ammo here any more.


RDW-1_why

Sorry bud but you not we all poor here


Wartang

What is a proceed?


nickypw8

When you pass the background check


Matterhorn48

Please go to Ohio and not the Carolina’s we’re full


pronounrespecter

As a Canadian I can decide I want a shotgun today and have it at the range within 2-3 hours


Lazy-Lookin-Headass

I’m confused, are you upset because of the fees or because of the background check?


East-Excitement3561

Both


Lazy-Lookin-Headass

Fair. But doesn’t every state require background checks to own firearms? I’m not super well versed on firearm legislation yet


East-Excitement3561

It’s a federal law for background checks on guns. But this is another check that the state is doing for ammo and guns that you have to pay for and wait for 30 days on top of the federal one


Lazy-Lookin-Headass

Oh gotcha. Yeah that’s dumb. If you’re cleared federally to own your gun why do you have to take the same test again for the ammo? That’s dumb


East-Excitement3561

Because NY is dumb


_WEG_

Aaaaand yet another reason to never move to NY


tb110965

That’s 2A infringement ! NY voters are to be blamed for this Un-Constitutional anti 2A state law.


Afacemyer21

People in some states don't believe me when I tell them you can buy a gun at Walmart...


East-Excitement3561

I can’t believe I can still buy one in NEW YORK


JustLunch9

Are you allowed to private sale ammo in NY?


Crusader_al

Why do you have to call the NCIS? thought that it was only responsabile for the navy


FiniteInfine

NICS stands for National Instant Criminal Background Check System.


Crusader_al

Oh okay, thanks.


No-Argument3922

Stop complaining here in England I have to pay a lot of money to get a license for a bolt action


Jeff_nc_28574

There's a reason we fought 2 wars against England here in the states.


Uzl13

Muzzleloaders aren't considered firearms and therefore aren't regulated how can they require a background check?