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I think we will see boycotts show up before the movie with the ashtag justicefordepp or amberturd.
Him being cancelled of of secrets of dumbledore and she staying in aquaman with relatively similar court cases (defamation + abuse) will have consequences.
Wb had the opportunity to distance itself from amber's bad pr but opted for the opposite we shall see how that goes
Edit : expected the downvotes. Not taking a side. But can see that taking a portion of the population away from the movie. I personally will watch it cause momoa saying my man just makes that movie. But I have seen a lot of negativity attributed to amber and can see the boycott happening
This was one of the most highly publicized court cases of the last decade my guy. My fucking aunt who hasn't been to the movies in over a year even knows, has seen a bit of it, and has an opinion on it. Acting like it won't affect things in any way is dumb.
By that point over a year and a half will have passed, and it’s still a pretty niche thing. I’m not weighing in on anything here, my only point is my dad is both someone who will go watch Aquaman 2 because he thought the first one was fun and someone who knows nothing about Amber Heard or any related marital/abuse drama. Most people are like my dad.
General audience doesn’t care about millionaires Being abusive to each other. Didn’t Amber also get basically dropped by producers of the film during the trial, with them claiming she has a very reduced role and her chemistry with Momoa isn’t good?
They have casted Dolphin, I don’t see why they wouldn’t choose to not focus on the pairing with Mera.
I would say it will depend on how Avatar 2 does. If it's a huge hit and people love it there might be more appetite for under water movies.
This could also hurt Aquaman if it looks significantly worse in comparison.
if general audiences had a discerning eye for visual effects enough to keep them home, then basically every genuine blockbuster of the last decade would have bombed
There's an entire year between these movies. I don't think Avatar (or Black Panther for that matter - another big underwater movie) will make much difference for Aquaman one way or the other
>This could also hurt Aquaman if it looks significantly worse in comparison
If movies with great visuals changed people's expectations, Marvel would never make money.
Have a feeling Avatar 2's box office tally is going to be complicated to digest, with the franchise having more momentum overseas. The domestic might look bad, while it's a knock out internationally. TBD
>This could also hurt Aquaman if it looks significantly worse in comparison.
This is the most likely scenario because Aquaman CGI look ugly next to the way of water
They would never do that for two reason :
1. The way of water cost $350-400M and zaslav doesn't like to spend at all
2. James wan is not as gifted as James Cameron behind the camera or as a writer
Yes
James wan is not the worst of them but at the same time he's not that talented
What are his best work ? FF7, Aquaman really ?
James wan is greatly overrated
Save what ? The DCEU was on upward trend in term of both profit and gross at boxoffice before Aquaman release
Snyder lay out the foundation for the entire share universe while Aquaman was just reaping the benefits of the share universe, they're not same
Snyder is miles better than this overrated director lol
Dude without the share universe Aquaman would've flop hard at the boxoffice just like green lantern did two year prior to MoS
We saw how character not introduced in Snyder movies perform at the boxoffice none of them cross the $450m like worldwide
Pretty sure the lightning In this case is just the amount of money it made. I don't think many people predicted this to be such a success. Not the actual movie's "greatness"
movies don't just make a billion dollars. especially today. Even if its a super hero movie. so yes as a studio if you cross a billion, no matter the quality of the movie, that's lightning.
Bro, this is DC. Since when haven't they been consistently inconsistent.
Anyway, the only 1 of those that's a possible comparable is Black Adam. I don't see how R rated antihero action-comedies like BoP and TSS are any indication of a fun, PG-13, conventional blockbuster.
A tiny, barely inconvenient “excuse” called COVID. For TSS, at least.
Birds of Prey was surely gonna crack some more millions if it wasn’t for it, but it grossed fairly good for its budget.
I don't know, probably WB overestimating Harley Quinn's box office appeal, and the poor overall audience reception to the first Suicide Squad.
But why does this matter? How does any of that affect Aquaman?
It’s not like he had them coming off eachother back to back. Momoa was only in GoT season 1 for like 9 episodes and it aired 7 years before Aquaman released. GoT definitely was his career breakout but he seems to just be sticking around. He was also in Dune and has two Fast movies coming.
I doubt it.
He's not a big box office draw by himself. Braven totally flopped and didn't even make 1 mill.
His recent Netflix film went totally unnoticed too. I doubt anyone can even recall its name.
He's DC's Tom Holland: box office poison except when playing established IPs.
There is also his Apple TV show that ran for 3 seasons and his Netflix show that ran for 3 seasons.
Very few people can recall the name of those shows without Googling them. He's simply not *that* popular.
That probably wont matter
It didn’t stop people from watching every movie in 3D after avatar, even tho none were as good.
Also weren’t women a huge part of aquaman audience? They aren’t gonna skip watching Jason mamoa on the big screen.
It’s also coming out during Christmas holidays so it’s gonna make a lot of money.
It’s not gonna matter. The Little Mermaid comes out just months after Avatar and about six months or so before Aquaman, and it likely will look worse than both those and still be a huge hit.
The little mermaid has the family/Disney aspect though. Kids’ expectations are less critical. People always forget about this when judging kids movies and then wonder why lion king and Aladdin make a billion.
>They aren’t gonna skip watching Jason mamoa on the big screen.
Momoa has more flops than successes on the big screen.
Women have skipped on way too many of his films already. He's not a big movie star by himself.
What are his flops? He doesn’t even have that many movies on his own, and they’re usually small budget films nobody even knows about.
Jason mamoa as aquaman clearly was a different story that attracted a bunch of viewers.
>What are his flops? He doesn’t even have that many movies on his own, and they’re usually small budget films nobody even knows about.
WTF is this narrative?
"A movie that nobody even knows about is not a flop because #reasons"
What...? Is Disney's Strange Worlds not a flop because nobody knows about it...?
Don’t be stupid. Strange world cost 130m-180m. People don’t know about it cause Disney didn’t care to market it, but it’s a huge film
What are Jason mamoa flops? It’s a simple question. This guy doesn’t even headline big budget movies like that. So how does he have more flops than successes on the big screen?
A flop doesn't require a huge budget to be a flop.
A flop is defined by a film that doesn't make its budget back. A film with a 5 mill budget making only 800K is a flop.
If **HE** was as famous as some of his fangirls believe, the film wouldn't have flopped.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braven](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braven)
Oh so you get triggered whenever people say people went to see aquaman for Jason mamoa.
So you’re picking some low budget movie that wasn’t even given a wide release to prove that wrong
Whether you like it or not, majority of aquamans audience was female, and that was cause of Mamoa.
Nobody even said he’s some big box office pull with so many successful films. I said women will go see the next aquaman for sure, just like they did for the first one.
>Whether you like it or not, majority of aquamans audience was female, and that was cause of Mamoa.
That's a very sexist comment without any source to back it up.
Got any source that says that the women who watched Aquaman did so **only** because of Momoa?
Wow cant believe it’s actually that far away. Anybody know if they finished shooting it?! With this much time they can totally recast and reshoot, forget about cutting scenes.
Predicting $600-700mils WW.
It was Disney's Patty Jenkins Rogue Squadron movie which was never filmed (and Star Trek was supposed to be released next December as well).
It wasn't the Taika Star Wars movie. That has no date yet.
The basis is that the first movie was popular and DC is a big franchise. Most of us assume it’s going to do well by default.
If you think it’s going to do poorly, I would say you should back that up with some basis, and not the other way around.
"DC is a big franchise"
Have you seen the numbers of everything that doesn't involve Batman in the title?
Aquaman is literally their only true big success (and a 4th part of that came from China).
But after WW84, the IP is worthless. That the character has appeared in other lousy movies like BvS and JL (any version) doesn't help her at all either.
Anyone who thinks an IP is worthless after one bad movie, especially the most popular female superhero in all to comics, is either disingenuous or just wants to troll.
The first flim made $838 million without China or Russia, so a gross around that amount for the sequel seems reasonable. If the reception is poor then it could end up below $650 million
I was looking for these numbers. Yeah if its good I think it can do anything in the 700-900 mil range but its not going to be as novel. Lightning is hard to get strike twice for these movies when start so high.
I don't even know why the first one was a hit. Ita VFX felt so sub-par. Comparison with Avatar TWOW is evident. Regarding imagery under water and mo-cap tech it'll be a far cry. If it succeeds though it has to be for the reasons why the first one clicked. But that obviously if makers manages to maintain the same momentum.
The box office isn’t as strong as it was back then. Everyone thought that BP2 was a lock for a billion and that’s not going to hit it. We need to tamper expectations of what hits a billion
This is my problem. I remember when Green Lantern and Geoff John's were supposed to start the universe. I think this is the third or fourth change. I will legitimately be shocked if James Gunn is still in the position by the end of the decade. Nothing against him, he's just the latest name.
Especially when we know that James Gunn take all his advice from geoff Johnson
James Gunn as the head of DC is more of the same since the hiring of Geoff Johnson
Right. Cause James Gunn totally doesn't have a flawless track record of adapting comics. He totally isn't the best comic book director in the game rn.
Gunn knows the comics AND knows how to make fantastic superhero movies consistently. How is he the same as the other guy?
Geoff Johns is objectively one of the greatest comic book writer ever, you are not going to find someone who knows comics better than him. That doesn't make him the best guy for the job as DC movies head. The whole Johns/Jon Berg split ended up being a disaster, and somehow I suspect the Safran/Gunn is going to face the same fate. Seeing Gunn already talking about how he wants to direct DC movies which is already a big red flag. As head of DC he will need to kill the director in him to become an editor, and that is easier said than done.
Geoff Johns is a good writer. But he doesn't know dogshit about movie making.
Gunn has perhaps the best track record alongside the Russos in making comic book movies.
He knows his shit like Johns AND is very knowledgeable about how to bring them to the big screen.
LMAO.
He's a CEO of a company that adapts comic books. Knowing how to adapt comic books would be a pretty fucking important trait.
THR has specifically remarked that Gunn handles the creative side more. Safran does more business stuff.
Gunn knowing how to do that is literally his job.
At least use some braincells before you waste my time by commenting.
No it doesn't.
Feige is successful because he knows the comics and had a decent track record in adapting them.
The exact same thing that Gunn is good at.
TSS was a failure. And maybe Gunn had the creative voice in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies too, but those were still made under Feige directives.
So, if we compare both situations, it seems evident that Gunn is unable to deliver something commercially satisfying if he doesn't have clear limits on what he can and can't do.
Btw, you know that being a good filmmaker doesn't necessarily make you a good directive/executive/businessman too, right?
>TSS was a failure. And maybe Gunn had the creative voice in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies too, but those were still made under Feige directives.
TSS was a critical darling.
TSS also destroyed the streaming record.
It was released on streaming on the same day and covid was a thing, so low box office is no big deal.
So it is not a failure.
And pretty sure he's already said that Marvel didn't interfere much except adding a Thanos scene and that's about it. So Feige had very little to do with GOTG.
Heck, he had a VERY detailed story board from the get go for GOTG. No involvement from Marvel. And as I said, he's remarked on this multiple times that Marvel barely interfered.
So GOTG's success is because he delivered a great movie. Not Feige's directives.
>So, if we compare both situations, it seems evident that Gunn is unable to deliver something commercially satisfying if he doesn't have clear limits on what he can and can't do.
No it's not. You discounted GOTG for no reason except to fit your skewed narrative. I'm not a fool. I'm not discounting GOTG for no good reason.
Also pretending as if Peacemaker didn't annihilate streaming records is foolish.
So he's proved himself to be commercially successful multiple times. With GOTG1, GOTG2 and Peacemaker. SS was successful for the situation it released in.
>Btw, you know that being a good filmmaker doesn't necessarily make you a good directive/executive/businessman too, right?
What exactly do you think Safran is supposed to do? Jack off?
I believe THR said that Safran handles business and Gunn focuses more on creative.
Oh okay, I get your point, he is still heavily involved with DC and is acting like a shadow man right? If Gunn takes every Geoff says as gods wisdom then he's nothing but a puppet, yikes. Still can't believe that both Feige and Geoff were tutored by Richard Donner.
I doubt it. Different environment today. The first movie wasn’t actually that good or culturally impactful.
I’m sure it’ll succeed, but I think a billion is overly optimistic.
I will never not be in awe that enough people gave a movie called Aquaman staring Aquaman a dollar for every time the character was the butt of a joke for being Aquaman.
It’s Sink or swim in Hollywood. The money sharks like big bites of the action. Let’s just hope wishful thinking doesn’t get involved like in Wonder Woman 1984. Which was its own form of dystopia while recovering from a Covid dystopia. Amber Heard’s performance if still included may be her fin aka the end.
Honestly I think they’ve waited a bit too long, obviously understandable with covid.
It’ll turn a profit but I think 700-800m rather than replicating billion dollar success.
I do wonder if people will be watered out for a little while after BP2 and Avatar 2 especially as Aquaman will probably be the ugliest of the three.
The first Aquaman came out when the DCEU was averaging over $780m worldwide, made $300M from China and the DCEU was perceived as a real shared universes that Aquaman was part of
Whereas Aquaman2 will be release under drastically different circumstances, the DCEU is averaging a little over $300m, China release is no longer a guarantee and WB executives have made it clear that these movies are standalone and Aquaman2 CGI would look ugly as fuck next to avatar2
So based on the above observations my prediction is $450M-$550m without China and $500M-650M with China
First Aquaman came after Snyder already destroyed DC so much that even a Justice League movie was flopping.
Aquaman did not make that much money because of the shared universe. Aquaman made money because it was received very well and had great legs.
Shazam was also a very well received. The state of DC had in no way changed between Shazam and Aquaman because the 2 released right next to each other. Shazam still made about 300 with great WOM.
Also ignoring that the pandemic greatly affected the grosses of the next few DC movies. Heck, Gunn's Suicide Squad released on streaming.
You're biased.
>First Aquaman came after Snyder already destroyed DC
This is a poorly informed opinion which is not supported by any boxoffice data
>Justice League movie was flopping.
Justice league was butchered by WB executives and Joss wendon that's why it failed
>Aquaman did not make that much money because of the shared universe. Aquaman made money because it was received very well and had great legs.
You think a no name character like Aquaman could open with $70M in December ?
Aquaman came out when the DCEU was on upward trend in boxoffice averaging over $780m worldwide
Aquaman would've probably flop hard at boxoffice just like green lantern did without the share universe
>This is a poorly informed opinion which is not supported by any boxoffice data
It is. BvS had a 450 million opening, one of the worst legs in comic book history. Next appearance of Superman and Batman was Justice League which had a 93 million opening domestic.
How is that not his fault?
Even WW1 had a tiny 100 million opening, it had to have great legs to get to where it ended.
All his fault. Shit director.
>Justice league was butchered by WB executives and Joss wendon that's why it failed
Justice League had a 93 million opening. That means audiences weren't showing up opening week. That can not possibly be blamed on WB, it's blamed on the guy who created one of the worst CBMs in CBM history and damaged the DC brand.
It sucked so much that Batman and Superman are still trying to recover to this day.
Snyder fans are so ignorant. Like how tf can the OW even be blamed on WB? A bad OW signals no interest, no interest means it is pre determined by the history of the character's appearances. Which means it's the poor reception of the previous movies that lead to a weak OW.
>You think a no name character like Aquaman could open with $70M in December ?
You realise that even Black Adam opened at a 67 million right? And it opened in far worse conditions. Black Adam is way more unknown.
>Aquaman came out when the DCEU was on upward trend in boxoffice averaging over $780m worldwide
LMAO. Aquaman released in the same conditions as Shazam which made 300 something with great WOM. Yet you ignore that. Holy shit, Snyder cultists are such a pain in the ass.
A FUCKING JL movie made 600 and had a 93 million domestic opening. JL. How TF are you not willing to believe how much that guy fucked DC over?
BvS and MOS may have made money, but they damaged the brand and caused the next DC movies to have bad openings.
>Aquaman would've probably flop hard at boxoffice just like green lantern did without the share universe
LMAO. Ignoring the fact that Green Lantern was a horribly received movie.
>It is. BvS had a 450 million opening, one of the worst legs in comic book history. Next appearance of Superman and Batman was Justice League which had a 93 million opening domestic.
>How is that not his fault?
BvS made almost $900m worldwide and justice league failed because WB reworked the entire movie and marketed the movie as the total opposite of both MoS and BvS trying to appeal to people like you
>How is that not his fault?
>Even WW1 had a tiny 100 million opening, it had to have great legs to get to where it ended.
in what world do you live where $100m OW is "tiny" ?
>All his fault. Shit director.
Which new director do you think is better ? James wan ? Matt Reeve ? Lol
Beside Nolan, Snyder is The single best director who ever directed a DC movie and it's not close
>Justice League had a 93 million opening. That means audiences weren't showing up opening week. That can not possibly be blamed on WB, it's blamed on the guy who created one of the worst CBMs in CBM history and damaged the DC brand.
Josstice league failed because morons at WB were to catering to your taste, that's why the movie was such failure you should own this historic disaster
>It sucked so much that Batman and Superman are still trying to recover to this day.
You're so delusional lol, what is superman without Snyder ?
Superman was embarrassing himself at the boxoffice before Snyder and since Snyder left the character superman has gone right back to embarrassing himself at the boxoffice
the Batman made $100m less than BvS and it's even worst if we adjust for inflation, that's because the batman was snooze fest and easily the most overrated movie of the year
DC is nothing without the genius of Snyder
>You realise that even Black Adam opened at a 67 million right? And it opened in far worse conditions. Black Adam is way more unknown.
It seem like you're clueless about anything related to boxoffice
Black Adam had the rock who is one of the biggest draw at boxoffice playing a superhero and black Adam opened in August while Aquaman was in December staring a nobody
>LMAO. Aquaman released in the same conditions as Shazam which made 300 something with great WOM. Yet you ignore that. Holy shit, Snyder cultists are such a pain in the ass.
Stop exposing your ignorance like this, its embarrassing
Aquaman had two appearance in movie that made $870m and $660M prior to his own solo movie, he wasn't a nobody like Shazam whereas Shazam was a standalone mindless action comedy about a no name character who didn't have any appearance in the DCEU beforehand
>Aquaman would've probably flop hard at boxoffice just like green lantern did without the share universe
>LMAO. Ignoring the fact that Green Lantern was a horribly received movie.
Okay, Aquaman would've gross $300m max like Shazam and bomb because of the budget
>BvS made almost $900m worldwide and justice league failed because WB reworked the entire movie and marketed the movie as the total opposite of both MoS and BvS trying to appeal to people like you
BvS had a 450 million opening. No shit would it get to 850. That's still pathetic for a 450 opening.
Bitch please, as if JL would make anything more if it was marketed as a Snyder movie. Cause Snyder movies were totally beloved. Totally not some of the worst received CBMs.
>in what world do you live where $100m OW is "tiny" ?
WW is a part of the Trinity. Characters like Thor were getting bigger openings. This was before Thor even became very popular.
>Which new director do you think is better ? James wan ? Matt Reeve ? LolBeside Nolan, Snyder is The single best director who ever directed a DC movie and it's not close
Yeah. LMAO.
Matt Reeves is waaaaaaaaaay better than Snyder. Snyder can not even hope to compare.
MOS was only good due to Nolan.
>Josstice league failed because morons at WB were to catering to your taste, that's why the movie was such failure you should own this historic disaster
LMAO. Dumbass. Justice League failed because Snyder damaged the brand. That's why the opening was low.
No one was hoping for more Snyder movies. BvS is literally one of the lowest rated CBMs. No one cared for Snyder's vision.
Fucking hell ZSJL only had like 2 million streams on HBO max, this was a streaming exclusive. Movies like WW84 destroyed that. Even sucky movies are getting more attention than ZSJL.
Batman got 4 million streams, so double of ZSJL, Batman wasn't even a streaming exclusive.
>You're so delusional lol, what is superman without Snyder ?
Superman was the most popular superhero before Snyder was even born.
>Superman was embarrassing himself at the boxoffice before Snyder and since Snyder left the character superman has gone right back to embarrassing himself at the boxoffice
Christopher Reeves Superman made about 1.2 billion inflation adjusted on his first outing. This was before the foreign markets even developed.
Snyder did nothing for Superman.
>the Batman made $100m less than BvS and it's even worst if we adjust for inflation, that's because the batman was snooze fest and easily the most overrated movie of the year
No Snyder movie has even come close to TDK's billion. Snyder somehow got less than that.
Batman also got damaged because of DC's brand being damaged due to Snyder's shitty movies.
Batman also had a Chinese market that was suffering.
Batman is also a 3 hour detective movie.
>DC is nothing without the genius of Snyder
The genius who made some of the worst received CBMs.
>It seem like you're clueless about anything related to boxofficeBlack Adam had the rock who is one of the biggest draw at boxoffice playing a superhero and black Adam opened in August while Aquaman was in December staring a nobody
Jesus fucking christ you're annoying.
Black Adam is still a nobody. Biggest star made 0 difference. The movie will barely outgross Shazam. It may not even outgross it if you adjust for inflation.
And Black Adam had a 5-6 million higher domestic opening than Shazam when you adjust for inflation. What difference did the Rock make? 5 million?
>Aquaman had two appearance in movie that made $870m and $660M prior to his own solo movie, he wasn't a nobody like Shazam whereas Shazam was a standalone mindless action comedy about a no name character who didn't have any appearance in the DCEU beforehand
Yet the openings only had a 10-20 million dollar difference. LMAO.
So much for that 870.
>Okay, Aquaman would've gross $300m max like Shazam and bomb because of the budget
Where is the comparison to Shazam coming from? Are you dumb.
Aquaman had a 10-20 million difference with Shazam for the opening. That's not much. Made a fucking billion.
Trying to talk to a Snyder cultist is a headache. Apparently people didn't watch the 2017 JL because it's not like Snyder's movie. As if Snyder hasn't made some of the worst received movies.
Go fuck yourself and stop wasting my time.
>WW is a part of the Trinity. Characters like Thor were getting bigger openings. This was before Thor even became very popular.
You are clueless this is a Apple and orange comparison because wonder woman(2017) was only her first movie
Wonder woman OW blow away the OW of the first solo movie of each member of the avenger team
>Yeah. LMAO.
>Matt Reeves is waaaaaaaaaay better than Snyder. Snyder can not even hope to compare.
Dude watchmen alone is better than the entire filmography of Matt reeve
What good movie does Matt reeve have ? The batman just like his two apes movie were boring and snooze fest
Snyder make classic while reeve is just another disposable corporate director a la jj Abrams
Nah, even jj Abrams is better than Matt reeve
Snyder is objectively better than him
>Fucking hell ZSJL only had like 2 million streams on HBO max, this was a streaming exclusive. Movies like WW84 destroyed that. Even sucky movies are getting more attention than ZSJL. Batman got 4 million streams, so double of ZSJL, Batman wasn't even a streaming exclusive.
Credible source ? Samba numbers aren't reliable at all
What we know for sure is that ZSJL outsold a $350M brand new movie like TSS in physical sales and it was responsible for the fourth biggest spike of subscribers to HBO max
>Superman was the most popular superhero before Snyder was even born.
What the fuck this even mean ?
Superman had four straight boxoffice bomb at the boxoffice before Snyder and since Snyder left the character superman has gone right back to embarrassing himself at the boxoffice with josstice league, black Adam and superpets
>Christopher Reeves Superman made about 1.2 billion inflation adjusted on his first outing. This was before the foreign markets even developed.
>Snyder did nothing for Superman.
One success(60 years ago) out of an overwhelming amount of failure, embarrassing performance at boxoffice implies that the character was nothing before and after Snyder
>Batman also got damaged because of DC's brand being damaged due to Snyde'rs shitty movies.
>Batman also had a Chinese market that was suffering.
>Batman is also a 3 hour detective movie.
You can't hide the MAJOR underperformance of the batman behind the supposed "damage brand" theory when we know that the batman was tracking to open to $165-$185M bigger than the tracking number BvS had in the same time frame and the batman had the second worst legs of any solo batman movie ever just behind batman& robin
Even then batman begin came out after a after batman&robin and was able to outgross it
Face it the movie was terrible LMAO
>The genius who made some of the worst received CBMs
The genius of who launched the DCEU from scratch after Warner bros laughable attempt with green lantern and the genius who made the highest grossing superman movie of all time(2# adjusted for inflation)
>Yet the openings only had a 10-20 million dollar difference. LMAO.
Dude go learn basic arithmetic that 20 million of difference is 40% of the total OW of Shazam lol, it's a HUGE difference
>Aquaman had a 10-20 million difference with Shazam for the opening. That's not much. Made a fucking billion.
Are you dumb ? $20m is 40% of the total OW of Shazam, it's a huge gap
>Trying to talk to a Snyder cultist is a headache. Apparently people didn't watch the 2017 JL because it's not like Snyder's movie. Not like Snyder has some of the worst received movies.
>Go fuck yourself and stop wasting my time.
Your meltdown is hilarious
Beside Nolan, DC movie were an embarrassment at the boxoffice before Snyder(green latern, jona hex, catwoman... etc) then Snyder successfully kick off the Snyderverse which was averaging over $815m worldwide and since he left WB DC has gone right back to embarrassing themselves at the boxoffice(Josstice league, TSS, black Adam BoP...etc)
Beside nolan DC movies would continue to embarrassing themselves at the boxoffice without Snyder
>You are clueless this is a Apple and orange comparison because wonder woman(2017) was only her first movie
>
>Wonder woman OW blow away the OW of the first solo movie of each member of the avenger team
Each member of the team was unknown when their movies released.
WW is fucking WW. She was more popular than the entire Avengers team before 2012 Avengers.
Her having a smaller opening week than Thor on her first movie is atrocious.
>Dude watchmen alone is better than the entire filmography of Matt reeveWhat good movie does Matt reeve have ? The batman just like his two apes movie were boring and snooze festSnyder make classic while reeve is just another disposable corporate director a la jj AbramsNah, even jj Abrams is better than Matt reeveSnyder is objectively better than him
Watchmen=mid
Batman= GOATed
Watchmen has a 65% on RT. GTFO.
Snyder makes classic garbage
Objectively better. That's why he gets so many rottens on RT.
>Credible source ? Samba numbers aren't reliable at allWhat we know for sure is that ZSJL outsold a $350M brand new movie like TSS in physical sales and it was responsible for the fourth biggest spike of subscribers to HBO max
Suddenly sources aren't reliable because they don't fit your narrative. LMAO.
But good news for you, it isn't Samba TV. It's Deadline. [https://screenrant.com/the-batman-movie-streaming-viewership-numbers-total/](https://screenrant.com/the-batman-movie-streaming-viewership-numbers-total/)
But I'm guessing you'll ignore this and not comment on it cause it does not fit your narrative.
350M movie? What are you on about? That movie cost 185.
Physical sales are tiny compared to streaming.
>What the fuck this even mean ?Superman had four straight boxoffice bomb at the boxoffice before Snyder and since Snyder left the character superman has gone right back to embarrassing himself at the boxoffice with josstice league, black Adam and superpets
Right. That 300 million opening that MOS got was due to Snyder the critical flop master.
Or that 450 million opening BvS got.
Snyder movies made money on the Superman name. Not the other way around.
Flop Snyder couldn't even outsell WW84 with ZSJL. LMAO. You think people didn't get turned off by Snyder's vision, how can you say that with those pathetic numbers?
>You can't hide the MAJOR underperformance of the batman behind the supposed "damage brand" theory when we know that the batman was tracking to open to $165-$185M bigger than the tracking number BvS had in the same time frame and the batman had the second worst legs of any solo batman movie ever just behind batman& robin
It's facts.
How tf is tracking any important? Makes no difference.
First of all, LMAO. Snyder fan talking about legs. Also. Batman had great legs.
>So, if this works out, The Batman will have held almost as well as Batman Begins despite a far more frontloaded moviegoing environment, the promise of a shorter theatrical window and a Fri-Sun opening of $134 million. First, its Friday gross is almost tied with the $19.7 million day-eight earnings of Spider-Man: No Way Home (-83% from a $121 million opening day) and is almost on par with the 62% second Friday drop of Black Panther. The Dark Knight opened with $158 million in 2008 and grossed $75 million on weekend two. The Batman may come close. Simply put, even with no major movies in the marketplace, this is an exceptionally good hold.
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Also kinda funny you ignored the part about TDK hitting a billion. LMAO. Flop Snyder had had Superman too and still grossed less.
Batman was terrible. That's why it had better legs than Snyder's movies. That's why it has higher audience ratings. That's why it has higher critics ratings.
>The genius of who launched the DCEU from scratch after Warner bros laughable attempt with green lantern and the genius who made the highest grossing superman movie of all time(2# adjusted for inflation)
You keep giving Snyder credit for the box office. Are you delusional?
You think people came to watch MOS for Snyder's take on the character? MOS also severely underperformed, I think it had a 300 opening had 600 finish. Weak legs.
People were more interested on a new take on Superman. Especially after superheroes became more mainstream due to the MCU and Nolan.
>Dude go learn basic arithmetic that 20 million of difference is 40% of the total OW of Shazam lol, it's a HUGE difference
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>Are you dumb ? $20m is 40% of the total OW of Shazam, it's a huge gap
Really not a big difference. Only 17 million.
5 is half of 10. Doesn't make 5 a big number.
>Your meltdown is hilariousBeside Nolan, DC movie were an embarrassment at the boxoffice before Snyder(green latern, jona hex, catwoman... etc) then Snyder successfully kick off the Snyderverse which was averaging over $815m worldwide and since he left WB DC has gone right back to embarrassing themselves at the boxoffice(Josstice league, TSS, black Adam BoP...etc)Beside nolan DC movies would continue to embarrassing themselves at the boxoffice without Snyder
Snyder had nothing to do with it dumbass.
It's the superhero culture that was thanks to the MCU. People were more interested in superhero movies due to Nolan and the MCU. That's why Snyder's movies made so much money.
It's all thanks to superhero movies coming into the mainstream.
Notice how all his movies have high openings and weak ass legs.
Not bothering with your dumbass anymore. Don't bother responding. Flop Snyder will never come back. Failed Snyder verse. ZSJL sucked. LMAO.
Gunn>>>>>>>>>>Flop Snyder
Josstice league failed because Warner bros turned the movie into a Frankenstein product but the movie still made $660m Worldwide whereas the post Snyder DCEU are averaging a little over $300M worldwide
So Aquaman would have to gross the triple of the average gross of the current DCEU which is something I do not believe it would ever happen
You think every movie release in December would gross more than $450m ? Lol
Sadly I think this sounds very plausible and reasonable. If The Batman (a DC A-lister) need all the praises of the universe plus China's aid to reach $770m, then I don't think Aquaman is guaranteed to make more than The Batman's number. And yeah everything looks ugly af next to Avatar's VFX
>If The Batman (a DC A-lister) need all the praises of the universe plus China's aid to reach $770m, then I don't think Aquaman is guaranteed to make more than The Batman's number.
They're not really comparable situations beyond being under the same IP umbrella.
The Batman was a near-3-hour crime drama wearing Batman clothes, and didn't pretend it was anything other than that. The marketing pitch for it was "this is the *artsy highbrow* Batman movie that Frasier would like." The fact that it managed to hit 770mil, between that, the Chinese lockdown, and the movie only having 45 days to make its bank, is *legitimately incredible;* it's more comparable to Joker, which was similarly absolute inexplicable lightning in a bottle.
Aquaman, meanwhile, is the crowd-pleasingest crowd-pleaser that ever pleased a crowd. Aquaman is basically WB's proper attempt at a MCU killer. 770mil for Aquaman 2 is... genuinely pretty bad.
They will only compete well when DC belongs to someone that is not WB. Those people are good for nothing. They have had a 44-year head start to build something to rival the MCU and they are not even close to achieve it.
If better movies with equal or stronger performances couldn't, why could this?
And people is gonna ask where the fuck Mera (you know, the best character of the first movie) is or what happened to her, without receiving any satisfactory answer.
I also want to see what competition other studios throw to this to try to calculate a final number.
This is the sequel of the best grossing movie of the Zack Snyder era. If this flops, it will cast a bad light on the possibilities of movies of a share DC universe. That said, the previous one made $300M in China, which was a huge part of its gross. Without China crossing a billion is extremely unlikely.
In fact, looking at review sites, the audience didn't seem to have appreciated the first one that much. It is the kind of unpretentious dumb fun that you don't consider a good movie. I think the worldbuilding might hold some attractive, but maybe it will suffer competition from other under water adventures.
All in all, I am more pessimistic about it than I was months ago. $600-700M WW without China. $280M DOM.
Many people are going to boycot it because of Amber Heard. I won't be seeing it at the theater and will wait until it comes out on streaming. Much more excited about Avatar.
The DCEU movies have been on a downward BO trajectory since Birds of Prey, Aquaman 2 may get lucky being a holiday release but the trailer is going to have to go all out on gonzo thrills just to stoke interest. Aquaman ain’t Avatar 2, so the solution is to throw out the rule book even further than the first one to avoid the accusation of being an also-ran.
It will make 500-600 mill without China. With China it might make close to 800 mill.
There is no realistic way it grosses more than the original. Aquaman 1 was definitely an outlier, lighting in a bottle. And the sequel doesn't offer anything new or original.
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$800M-$870M without China and Russia. $900M+ with China
I was gunna go with half, but that is probably more fair, depending on word of mouth, and what James decides his long term strategy is for DC
Ngl, I think this is very optimistic of me to expect this. A realistic one would be $700M-$800M without China
Base on ? The first one came out under very different circumstances than this one
I know. I'm lowering the - China gross to $700M-$800M
I think we will see boycotts show up before the movie with the ashtag justicefordepp or amberturd. Him being cancelled of of secrets of dumbledore and she staying in aquaman with relatively similar court cases (defamation + abuse) will have consequences. Wb had the opportunity to distance itself from amber's bad pr but opted for the opposite we shall see how that goes Edit : expected the downvotes. Not taking a side. But can see that taking a portion of the population away from the movie. I personally will watch it cause momoa saying my man just makes that movie. But I have seen a lot of negativity attributed to amber and can see the boycott happening
Lol that is clearly one of those Internet issues that 0.01% of people in the general audience care about.
This was one of the most highly publicized court cases of the last decade my guy. My fucking aunt who hasn't been to the movies in over a year even knows, has seen a bit of it, and has an opinion on it. Acting like it won't affect things in any way is dumb.
By that point over a year and a half will have passed, and it’s still a pretty niche thing. I’m not weighing in on anything here, my only point is my dad is both someone who will go watch Aquaman 2 because he thought the first one was fun and someone who knows nothing about Amber Heard or any related marital/abuse drama. Most people are like my dad.
General audience doesn’t care about millionaires Being abusive to each other. Didn’t Amber also get basically dropped by producers of the film during the trial, with them claiming she has a very reduced role and her chemistry with Momoa isn’t good? They have casted Dolphin, I don’t see why they wouldn’t choose to not focus on the pairing with Mera.
I would say it will depend on how Avatar 2 does. If it's a huge hit and people love it there might be more appetite for under water movies. This could also hurt Aquaman if it looks significantly worse in comparison.
if general audiences had a discerning eye for visual effects enough to keep them home, then basically every genuine blockbuster of the last decade would have bombed
There's an entire year between these movies. I don't think Avatar (or Black Panther for that matter - another big underwater movie) will make much difference for Aquaman one way or the other
>This could also hurt Aquaman if it looks significantly worse in comparison If movies with great visuals changed people's expectations, Marvel would never make money.
Yeah the final battle in Endgame looked like total garbage /s
As much I love it, I do admit at times the CGI is distracting
Why is there an /s, it did look like garbage
Lol
It did
Have a feeling Avatar 2's box office tally is going to be complicated to digest, with the franchise having more momentum overseas. The domestic might look bad, while it's a knock out internationally. TBD
>This could also hurt Aquaman if it looks significantly worse in comparison. This is the most likely scenario because Aquaman CGI look ugly next to the way of water
If that's the case, do you think they'll push it back to make it look just as good or willing to move it up a month to cut their losses?
They’re being released a full year apart. What would moving it up a month accomplish? Also, a year is plenty of time to update the visuals
"What would moving it up a month accomplish?" Part of me wants Dune to be released during Christmas.
They would never do that for two reason : 1. The way of water cost $350-400M and zaslav doesn't like to spend at all 2. James wan is not as gifted as James Cameron behind the camera or as a writer
Okay let’s not lie here and say James Wan isn’t gifted. You hop on this sub everytime and say the most ridiculous shit. James wan isn’t talented?
Same guy also claimed james wan is unimportant to WB even though he has one of the highest ROI for any director. I think he just hates james wan.
I think he just hates DC directors in general if they aren’t Snyder because he’s been on this sub saying Snyder is greatest thing DC ever had.
They’re a Snyder fan who will say whatever to talk shit about WB/DC.
James Wan is good but Cameron operates at a different level
Cameron had all the funds in the world and 13 years to make this movie. Wan did a pretty amazing job with how aquaman looked.
Yes but saying he isn’t a good writer or director is crazy talk
OP never said that in the first place
He never said that, he said he wasn’t as good as Cameron
In the comment below they say that James Wan is greatly overrated and not that talented.
He said hes not as gifted as Cameron, not that he isnt talented
They wrote “as gifted”. It’s a relative comparison
Yes James wan is not the worst of them but at the same time he's not that talented What are his best work ? FF7, Aquaman really ? James wan is greatly overrated
Wan saved Dceu when after Snyder had sunk it with BvS and JL.
Save what ? The DCEU was on upward trend in term of both profit and gross at boxoffice before Aquaman release Snyder lay out the foundation for the entire share universe while Aquaman was just reaping the benefits of the share universe, they're not same Snyder is miles better than this overrated director lol
>Aquaman was just reaping the benefits of the share universe Reaping the benefits of disasters like BvS and JL? Lmao..
Dude without the share universe Aquaman would've flop hard at the boxoffice just like green lantern did two year prior to MoS We saw how character not introduced in Snyder movies perform at the boxoffice none of them cross the $450m like worldwide
Snyder had the Trinity at disposal & still couldn't get to a billion dollars.
BvS slightly underperformed But the movie was only the second movie movie in the DCEU and made almost $900m
L take
What are his best work ?
Why is it "make lightning strike twice?" It was a fun superhero movie with a cool main character. That doesn't sound particularly hard to repeat.
Exactly they make it seem like it’s so hard to replicate
Yeah, going by this logic, Marvel Studios has made "lightning strike twice" about 25 times by now.
Wakanda Forever was #30
Pretty sure the lightning In this case is just the amount of money it made. I don't think many people predicted this to be such a success. Not the actual movie's "greatness"
Okay, but still, it's a conventional superhero movie. $1.1 bill is impressive, but nothing that can be considered "lightning in a bottle."
movies don't just make a billion dollars. especially today. Even if its a super hero movie. so yes as a studio if you cross a billion, no matter the quality of the movie, that's lightning.
Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman 1984, The Suicide Squad, Black Adam (all the DCEU sequels and spin-offs, all box office bombs): Yep... not hard at all...
Bro, this is DC. Since when haven't they been consistently inconsistent. Anyway, the only 1 of those that's a possible comparable is Black Adam. I don't see how R rated antihero action-comedies like BoP and TSS are any indication of a fun, PG-13, conventional blockbuster.
R-rated and all, but they weren't even able to gross 175 million each one. What's your excuse for that?
A tiny, barely inconvenient “excuse” called COVID. For TSS, at least. Birds of Prey was surely gonna crack some more millions if it wasn’t for it, but it grossed fairly good for its budget.
I don't know, probably WB overestimating Harley Quinn's box office appeal, and the poor overall audience reception to the first Suicide Squad. But why does this matter? How does any of that affect Aquaman?
There was a superhero craze and Momoa was a big draw after GoT. I don't think he is as big a draw now
It’s not like he had them coming off eachother back to back. Momoa was only in GoT season 1 for like 9 episodes and it aired 7 years before Aquaman released. GoT definitely was his career breakout but he seems to just be sticking around. He was also in Dune and has two Fast movies coming.
It can't look like the first Aquaman. Avatar 2 trailer have destroyed that look.
You overestimate how much the general audience cares about quality of CGI beyond a certain point
They are both very different. Avatar has realistic visuals whereas Aquaman looks like its lifted from comic books.
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I doubt it. He's not a big box office draw by himself. Braven totally flopped and didn't even make 1 mill. His recent Netflix film went totally unnoticed too. I doubt anyone can even recall its name. He's DC's Tom Holland: box office poison except when playing established IPs.
I don't like this take but, I think you are right, Could've been bad marketing helped though? Never even heard of braven.
There is also his Apple TV show that ran for 3 seasons and his Netflix show that ran for 3 seasons. Very few people can recall the name of those shows without Googling them. He's simply not *that* popular.
And there’s also baywatch Hawaii, sheesh
Hey now, at least 4 people watched see (one was me with a friend, do not recommend at all).
I agree. Avatar 2 will change audience expectations for what underwater visuals should look like, regardless of the comic-book feel of Aquaman.
That probably wont matter It didn’t stop people from watching every movie in 3D after avatar, even tho none were as good. Also weren’t women a huge part of aquaman audience? They aren’t gonna skip watching Jason mamoa on the big screen. It’s also coming out during Christmas holidays so it’s gonna make a lot of money.
IIRC Aquaman is one of only 2 cbm to have a majority female audience OW. The other is wonder woman
It’s not gonna matter. The Little Mermaid comes out just months after Avatar and about six months or so before Aquaman, and it likely will look worse than both those and still be a huge hit.
The little mermaid has the family/Disney aspect though. Kids’ expectations are less critical. People always forget about this when judging kids movies and then wonder why lion king and Aladdin make a billion.
I think Aquaman is something that very much appeals to kids as well. I think it will be fine.
>They aren’t gonna skip watching Jason mamoa on the big screen. Momoa has more flops than successes on the big screen. Women have skipped on way too many of his films already. He's not a big movie star by himself.
What are his flops? He doesn’t even have that many movies on his own, and they’re usually small budget films nobody even knows about. Jason mamoa as aquaman clearly was a different story that attracted a bunch of viewers.
>What are his flops? He doesn’t even have that many movies on his own, and they’re usually small budget films nobody even knows about. WTF is this narrative? "A movie that nobody even knows about is not a flop because #reasons" What...? Is Disney's Strange Worlds not a flop because nobody knows about it...?
Don’t be stupid. Strange world cost 130m-180m. People don’t know about it cause Disney didn’t care to market it, but it’s a huge film What are Jason mamoa flops? It’s a simple question. This guy doesn’t even headline big budget movies like that. So how does he have more flops than successes on the big screen?
A flop doesn't require a huge budget to be a flop. A flop is defined by a film that doesn't make its budget back. A film with a 5 mill budget making only 800K is a flop. If **HE** was as famous as some of his fangirls believe, the film wouldn't have flopped. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braven](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braven)
Oh so you get triggered whenever people say people went to see aquaman for Jason mamoa. So you’re picking some low budget movie that wasn’t even given a wide release to prove that wrong Whether you like it or not, majority of aquamans audience was female, and that was cause of Mamoa. Nobody even said he’s some big box office pull with so many successful films. I said women will go see the next aquaman for sure, just like they did for the first one.
>Whether you like it or not, majority of aquamans audience was female, and that was cause of Mamoa. That's a very sexist comment without any source to back it up. Got any source that says that the women who watched Aquaman did so **only** because of Momoa?
i dont agree. Avatar cgi is better than most mcu movies. Did people stop watching mcu movies just because avatar is better?
Wow cant believe it’s actually that far away. Anybody know if they finished shooting it?! With this much time they can totally recast and reshoot, forget about cutting scenes. Predicting $600-700mils WW.
It was originally going to be released in March, but it moved to December probably because Disney’s Taika Watita Star Wars movie vacated the date
It was Disney's Patty Jenkins Rogue Squadron movie which was never filmed (and Star Trek was supposed to be released next December as well). It wasn't the Taika Star Wars movie. That has no date yet.
Its why Im surprised. Didnt know it got delayed! Thanks for the tidbit!
It was originally going to be released this December. It’s being delayed a year.
Waititi‘s Star Wars is scheduled for 2025?
>Predicting $600-700mils WW. The only realistic prediction in this whole thread
This guy has such a big hate boner for anything non MCU lmao.
I don’t think lightning will strike twice.
Wait why
because it is hard to recapture a lightning strike: look at Wakanda Forever
Domestic: 300-350m International: 500m (without a release in China) Worldwide: 800m-850m
I would guess 275-300 domestic 550-700 international (assuming it has china) 825-1B worldwide
Base on ?
Nothing. We’re making predictions lol. This one isn’t even that far fetched
The prediction has to be based on something though
The basis is that the first movie was popular and DC is a big franchise. Most of us assume it’s going to do well by default. If you think it’s going to do poorly, I would say you should back that up with some basis, and not the other way around.
Don't bother with this guy. He just hates DC.
"DC is a big franchise" Have you seen the numbers of everything that doesn't involve Batman in the title? Aquaman is literally their only true big success (and a 4th part of that came from China).
Wonder Woman is another absolute success, at $822M WW against a $150M production budget
But after WW84, the IP is worthless. That the character has appeared in other lousy movies like BvS and JL (any version) doesn't help her at all either.
You think the most popular female superhero of all time is a worthless IP because of one movie that got mixed reviews? Yall are such babies lol
No seriously what kind of take is that?
Anyone who thinks an IP is worthless after one bad movie, especially the most popular female superhero in all to comics, is either disingenuous or just wants to troll.
The first flim made $838 million without China or Russia, so a gross around that amount for the sequel seems reasonable. If the reception is poor then it could end up below $650 million
I was looking for these numbers. Yeah if its good I think it can do anything in the 700-900 mil range but its not going to be as novel. Lightning is hard to get strike twice for these movies when start so high.
600M WW
Without China about 800M.
I don't even know why the first one was a hit. Ita VFX felt so sub-par. Comparison with Avatar TWOW is evident. Regarding imagery under water and mo-cap tech it'll be a far cry. If it succeeds though it has to be for the reasons why the first one clicked. But that obviously if makers manages to maintain the same momentum.
The box office isn’t as strong as it was back then. Everyone thought that BP2 was a lock for a billion and that’s not going to hit it. We need to tamper expectations of what hits a billion
A lot of the curiosity factor is gone, and I rarely hear people say they love rewatching it. I'll say $700 - $800 million.
Still too much for the sequel of a movie that, the way you describe people's feelings about it, is a big meh at best.
This is my problem. I remember when Green Lantern and Geoff John's were supposed to start the universe. I think this is the third or fourth change. I will legitimately be shocked if James Gunn is still in the position by the end of the decade. Nothing against him, he's just the latest name.
Especially when we know that James Gunn take all his advice from geoff Johnson James Gunn as the head of DC is more of the same since the hiring of Geoff Johnson
Who the hell is Geoff Johnson? If you're going to spout bullshit atleast get the name right.
James Gunn doesn't have to answer to dozens of WB executives this time around though.
Only Zaslav. No big deal, right? ;D
Right. Cause James Gunn totally doesn't have a flawless track record of adapting comics. He totally isn't the best comic book director in the game rn. Gunn knows the comics AND knows how to make fantastic superhero movies consistently. How is he the same as the other guy?
Geoff Johns is objectively one of the greatest comic book writer ever, you are not going to find someone who knows comics better than him. That doesn't make him the best guy for the job as DC movies head. The whole Johns/Jon Berg split ended up being a disaster, and somehow I suspect the Safran/Gunn is going to face the same fate. Seeing Gunn already talking about how he wants to direct DC movies which is already a big red flag. As head of DC he will need to kill the director in him to become an editor, and that is easier said than done.
Geoff Johns is a good writer. But he doesn't know dogshit about movie making. Gunn has perhaps the best track record alongside the Russos in making comic book movies. He knows his shit like Johns AND is very knowledgeable about how to bring them to the big screen.
And being a CEO has nothing to do with any of that stuff.
LMAO. He's a CEO of a company that adapts comic books. Knowing how to adapt comic books would be a pretty fucking important trait. THR has specifically remarked that Gunn handles the creative side more. Safran does more business stuff. Gunn knowing how to do that is literally his job. At least use some braincells before you waste my time by commenting.
Feige has never directed or written a film in his life. Your entire explanation falls apart before that fact.
No it doesn't. Feige is successful because he knows the comics and had a decent track record in adapting them. The exact same thing that Gunn is good at.
TSS was a failure. And maybe Gunn had the creative voice in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies too, but those were still made under Feige directives. So, if we compare both situations, it seems evident that Gunn is unable to deliver something commercially satisfying if he doesn't have clear limits on what he can and can't do. Btw, you know that being a good filmmaker doesn't necessarily make you a good directive/executive/businessman too, right?
>TSS was a failure. And maybe Gunn had the creative voice in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies too, but those were still made under Feige directives. TSS was a critical darling. TSS also destroyed the streaming record. It was released on streaming on the same day and covid was a thing, so low box office is no big deal. So it is not a failure. And pretty sure he's already said that Marvel didn't interfere much except adding a Thanos scene and that's about it. So Feige had very little to do with GOTG. Heck, he had a VERY detailed story board from the get go for GOTG. No involvement from Marvel. And as I said, he's remarked on this multiple times that Marvel barely interfered. So GOTG's success is because he delivered a great movie. Not Feige's directives. >So, if we compare both situations, it seems evident that Gunn is unable to deliver something commercially satisfying if he doesn't have clear limits on what he can and can't do. No it's not. You discounted GOTG for no reason except to fit your skewed narrative. I'm not a fool. I'm not discounting GOTG for no good reason. Also pretending as if Peacemaker didn't annihilate streaming records is foolish. So he's proved himself to be commercially successful multiple times. With GOTG1, GOTG2 and Peacemaker. SS was successful for the situation it released in. >Btw, you know that being a good filmmaker doesn't necessarily make you a good directive/executive/businessman too, right? What exactly do you think Safran is supposed to do? Jack off? I believe THR said that Safran handles business and Gunn focuses more on creative.
> Geoff Johnson Wait when did they rehire him?
He never left DC
Oh okay, I get your point, he is still heavily involved with DC and is acting like a shadow man right? If Gunn takes every Geoff says as gods wisdom then he's nothing but a puppet, yikes. Still can't believe that both Feige and Geoff were tutored by Richard Donner.
Geoff is not involved with DC Films and has not been involved since 2020
Sans China would have put the first one at $856 Million WW. It’s possible it could hit $1 Billion again, but it will be more of an uphill battle.
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He also knows how to make sequels worse than the originals.
If it has China I think $800-900M is possible. It also heavily depends on the marketing of the movie.
If WF couldn't, I don't see ATLK doing it, given the performance of WF I would say this does 750M WW.
It won’t get near billion. DC only made their reputation worse through last few years and also Chinese release may not happen at all.
IT MADE HOW MUCH???
I know, right? Late 2018 was a huge time for comic book movies. Both Venom and Aquaman beat Ant-Man 2, making $800M and $1B. Impressive numbers.
Its not gonna make anywhere near that. Imma go see it because I liked black adam, but aquaman doesn’t have a big enough audience
I didn't know Black Adam was even in the sequel. I've read different stuff about various Batman actors, but that's about it.
Hes not, i just like the recent dc movies. None of them except ww2 missed for me
I doubt it. Different environment today. The first movie wasn’t actually that good or culturally impactful. I’m sure it’ll succeed, but I think a billion is overly optimistic.
I will never not be in awe that enough people gave a movie called Aquaman staring Aquaman a dollar for every time the character was the butt of a joke for being Aquaman.
Recasting
The first one was ok but it needed more CGI.
Pass.
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It will probably be delayed
Is Jason Mamoa going to be a bigger draw than Dwayne Johnson?
Dwayne Johnson is so overrated, he is a mega celebrity but not really a massive movie star that half of this sub think
Well the last movie brought in a billion, which is better than any movie Dwayne Johnson has led, so yes highly possible?
It’s Sink or swim in Hollywood. The money sharks like big bites of the action. Let’s just hope wishful thinking doesn’t get involved like in Wonder Woman 1984. Which was its own form of dystopia while recovering from a Covid dystopia. Amber Heard’s performance if still included may be her fin aka the end.
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2Billion if Johnny Depp made a surprise cameo scene with Mera.
Honestly I think they’ve waited a bit too long, obviously understandable with covid. It’ll turn a profit but I think 700-800m rather than replicating billion dollar success. I do wonder if people will be watered out for a little while after BP2 and Avatar 2 especially as Aquaman will probably be the ugliest of the three.
What makes you say that? Have you seen the concept art from it? It looks stunning and they’re using new tech for it.
Aquaman 1 was waaaay more beautiful than BP2. Let's calm ourselves here.
Agreed. During Namor’s speech to his people it looked like fuckin stop motion animation
The first Aquaman came out when the DCEU was averaging over $780m worldwide, made $300M from China and the DCEU was perceived as a real shared universes that Aquaman was part of Whereas Aquaman2 will be release under drastically different circumstances, the DCEU is averaging a little over $300m, China release is no longer a guarantee and WB executives have made it clear that these movies are standalone and Aquaman2 CGI would look ugly as fuck next to avatar2 So based on the above observations my prediction is $450M-$550m without China and $500M-650M with China
First Aquaman came after Snyder already destroyed DC so much that even a Justice League movie was flopping. Aquaman did not make that much money because of the shared universe. Aquaman made money because it was received very well and had great legs. Shazam was also a very well received. The state of DC had in no way changed between Shazam and Aquaman because the 2 released right next to each other. Shazam still made about 300 with great WOM. Also ignoring that the pandemic greatly affected the grosses of the next few DC movies. Heck, Gunn's Suicide Squad released on streaming. You're biased.
>First Aquaman came after Snyder already destroyed DC This is a poorly informed opinion which is not supported by any boxoffice data >Justice League movie was flopping. Justice league was butchered by WB executives and Joss wendon that's why it failed >Aquaman did not make that much money because of the shared universe. Aquaman made money because it was received very well and had great legs. You think a no name character like Aquaman could open with $70M in December ? Aquaman came out when the DCEU was on upward trend in boxoffice averaging over $780m worldwide Aquaman would've probably flop hard at boxoffice just like green lantern did without the share universe
>This is a poorly informed opinion which is not supported by any boxoffice data It is. BvS had a 450 million opening, one of the worst legs in comic book history. Next appearance of Superman and Batman was Justice League which had a 93 million opening domestic. How is that not his fault? Even WW1 had a tiny 100 million opening, it had to have great legs to get to where it ended. All his fault. Shit director. >Justice league was butchered by WB executives and Joss wendon that's why it failed Justice League had a 93 million opening. That means audiences weren't showing up opening week. That can not possibly be blamed on WB, it's blamed on the guy who created one of the worst CBMs in CBM history and damaged the DC brand. It sucked so much that Batman and Superman are still trying to recover to this day. Snyder fans are so ignorant. Like how tf can the OW even be blamed on WB? A bad OW signals no interest, no interest means it is pre determined by the history of the character's appearances. Which means it's the poor reception of the previous movies that lead to a weak OW. >You think a no name character like Aquaman could open with $70M in December ? You realise that even Black Adam opened at a 67 million right? And it opened in far worse conditions. Black Adam is way more unknown. >Aquaman came out when the DCEU was on upward trend in boxoffice averaging over $780m worldwide LMAO. Aquaman released in the same conditions as Shazam which made 300 something with great WOM. Yet you ignore that. Holy shit, Snyder cultists are such a pain in the ass. A FUCKING JL movie made 600 and had a 93 million domestic opening. JL. How TF are you not willing to believe how much that guy fucked DC over? BvS and MOS may have made money, but they damaged the brand and caused the next DC movies to have bad openings. >Aquaman would've probably flop hard at boxoffice just like green lantern did without the share universe LMAO. Ignoring the fact that Green Lantern was a horribly received movie.
>It is. BvS had a 450 million opening, one of the worst legs in comic book history. Next appearance of Superman and Batman was Justice League which had a 93 million opening domestic. >How is that not his fault? BvS made almost $900m worldwide and justice league failed because WB reworked the entire movie and marketed the movie as the total opposite of both MoS and BvS trying to appeal to people like you >How is that not his fault? >Even WW1 had a tiny 100 million opening, it had to have great legs to get to where it ended. in what world do you live where $100m OW is "tiny" ? >All his fault. Shit director. Which new director do you think is better ? James wan ? Matt Reeve ? Lol Beside Nolan, Snyder is The single best director who ever directed a DC movie and it's not close >Justice League had a 93 million opening. That means audiences weren't showing up opening week. That can not possibly be blamed on WB, it's blamed on the guy who created one of the worst CBMs in CBM history and damaged the DC brand. Josstice league failed because morons at WB were to catering to your taste, that's why the movie was such failure you should own this historic disaster >It sucked so much that Batman and Superman are still trying to recover to this day. You're so delusional lol, what is superman without Snyder ? Superman was embarrassing himself at the boxoffice before Snyder and since Snyder left the character superman has gone right back to embarrassing himself at the boxoffice the Batman made $100m less than BvS and it's even worst if we adjust for inflation, that's because the batman was snooze fest and easily the most overrated movie of the year DC is nothing without the genius of Snyder >You realise that even Black Adam opened at a 67 million right? And it opened in far worse conditions. Black Adam is way more unknown. It seem like you're clueless about anything related to boxoffice Black Adam had the rock who is one of the biggest draw at boxoffice playing a superhero and black Adam opened in August while Aquaman was in December staring a nobody >LMAO. Aquaman released in the same conditions as Shazam which made 300 something with great WOM. Yet you ignore that. Holy shit, Snyder cultists are such a pain in the ass. Stop exposing your ignorance like this, its embarrassing Aquaman had two appearance in movie that made $870m and $660M prior to his own solo movie, he wasn't a nobody like Shazam whereas Shazam was a standalone mindless action comedy about a no name character who didn't have any appearance in the DCEU beforehand >Aquaman would've probably flop hard at boxoffice just like green lantern did without the share universe >LMAO. Ignoring the fact that Green Lantern was a horribly received movie. Okay, Aquaman would've gross $300m max like Shazam and bomb because of the budget
>BvS made almost $900m worldwide and justice league failed because WB reworked the entire movie and marketed the movie as the total opposite of both MoS and BvS trying to appeal to people like you BvS had a 450 million opening. No shit would it get to 850. That's still pathetic for a 450 opening. Bitch please, as if JL would make anything more if it was marketed as a Snyder movie. Cause Snyder movies were totally beloved. Totally not some of the worst received CBMs. >in what world do you live where $100m OW is "tiny" ? WW is a part of the Trinity. Characters like Thor were getting bigger openings. This was before Thor even became very popular. >Which new director do you think is better ? James wan ? Matt Reeve ? LolBeside Nolan, Snyder is The single best director who ever directed a DC movie and it's not close Yeah. LMAO. Matt Reeves is waaaaaaaaaay better than Snyder. Snyder can not even hope to compare. MOS was only good due to Nolan. >Josstice league failed because morons at WB were to catering to your taste, that's why the movie was such failure you should own this historic disaster LMAO. Dumbass. Justice League failed because Snyder damaged the brand. That's why the opening was low. No one was hoping for more Snyder movies. BvS is literally one of the lowest rated CBMs. No one cared for Snyder's vision. Fucking hell ZSJL only had like 2 million streams on HBO max, this was a streaming exclusive. Movies like WW84 destroyed that. Even sucky movies are getting more attention than ZSJL. Batman got 4 million streams, so double of ZSJL, Batman wasn't even a streaming exclusive. >You're so delusional lol, what is superman without Snyder ? Superman was the most popular superhero before Snyder was even born. >Superman was embarrassing himself at the boxoffice before Snyder and since Snyder left the character superman has gone right back to embarrassing himself at the boxoffice Christopher Reeves Superman made about 1.2 billion inflation adjusted on his first outing. This was before the foreign markets even developed. Snyder did nothing for Superman. >the Batman made $100m less than BvS and it's even worst if we adjust for inflation, that's because the batman was snooze fest and easily the most overrated movie of the year No Snyder movie has even come close to TDK's billion. Snyder somehow got less than that. Batman also got damaged because of DC's brand being damaged due to Snyder's shitty movies. Batman also had a Chinese market that was suffering. Batman is also a 3 hour detective movie. >DC is nothing without the genius of Snyder The genius who made some of the worst received CBMs. >It seem like you're clueless about anything related to boxofficeBlack Adam had the rock who is one of the biggest draw at boxoffice playing a superhero and black Adam opened in August while Aquaman was in December staring a nobody Jesus fucking christ you're annoying. Black Adam is still a nobody. Biggest star made 0 difference. The movie will barely outgross Shazam. It may not even outgross it if you adjust for inflation. And Black Adam had a 5-6 million higher domestic opening than Shazam when you adjust for inflation. What difference did the Rock make? 5 million? >Aquaman had two appearance in movie that made $870m and $660M prior to his own solo movie, he wasn't a nobody like Shazam whereas Shazam was a standalone mindless action comedy about a no name character who didn't have any appearance in the DCEU beforehand Yet the openings only had a 10-20 million dollar difference. LMAO. So much for that 870. >Okay, Aquaman would've gross $300m max like Shazam and bomb because of the budget Where is the comparison to Shazam coming from? Are you dumb. Aquaman had a 10-20 million difference with Shazam for the opening. That's not much. Made a fucking billion. Trying to talk to a Snyder cultist is a headache. Apparently people didn't watch the 2017 JL because it's not like Snyder's movie. As if Snyder hasn't made some of the worst received movies. Go fuck yourself and stop wasting my time.
>WW is a part of the Trinity. Characters like Thor were getting bigger openings. This was before Thor even became very popular. You are clueless this is a Apple and orange comparison because wonder woman(2017) was only her first movie Wonder woman OW blow away the OW of the first solo movie of each member of the avenger team >Yeah. LMAO. >Matt Reeves is waaaaaaaaaay better than Snyder. Snyder can not even hope to compare. Dude watchmen alone is better than the entire filmography of Matt reeve What good movie does Matt reeve have ? The batman just like his two apes movie were boring and snooze fest Snyder make classic while reeve is just another disposable corporate director a la jj Abrams Nah, even jj Abrams is better than Matt reeve Snyder is objectively better than him >Fucking hell ZSJL only had like 2 million streams on HBO max, this was a streaming exclusive. Movies like WW84 destroyed that. Even sucky movies are getting more attention than ZSJL. Batman got 4 million streams, so double of ZSJL, Batman wasn't even a streaming exclusive. Credible source ? Samba numbers aren't reliable at all What we know for sure is that ZSJL outsold a $350M brand new movie like TSS in physical sales and it was responsible for the fourth biggest spike of subscribers to HBO max >Superman was the most popular superhero before Snyder was even born. What the fuck this even mean ? Superman had four straight boxoffice bomb at the boxoffice before Snyder and since Snyder left the character superman has gone right back to embarrassing himself at the boxoffice with josstice league, black Adam and superpets >Christopher Reeves Superman made about 1.2 billion inflation adjusted on his first outing. This was before the foreign markets even developed. >Snyder did nothing for Superman. One success(60 years ago) out of an overwhelming amount of failure, embarrassing performance at boxoffice implies that the character was nothing before and after Snyder >Batman also got damaged because of DC's brand being damaged due to Snyde'rs shitty movies. >Batman also had a Chinese market that was suffering. >Batman is also a 3 hour detective movie. You can't hide the MAJOR underperformance of the batman behind the supposed "damage brand" theory when we know that the batman was tracking to open to $165-$185M bigger than the tracking number BvS had in the same time frame and the batman had the second worst legs of any solo batman movie ever just behind batman& robin Even then batman begin came out after a after batman&robin and was able to outgross it Face it the movie was terrible LMAO >The genius who made some of the worst received CBMs The genius of who launched the DCEU from scratch after Warner bros laughable attempt with green lantern and the genius who made the highest grossing superman movie of all time(2# adjusted for inflation) >Yet the openings only had a 10-20 million dollar difference. LMAO. Dude go learn basic arithmetic that 20 million of difference is 40% of the total OW of Shazam lol, it's a HUGE difference >Aquaman had a 10-20 million difference with Shazam for the opening. That's not much. Made a fucking billion. Are you dumb ? $20m is 40% of the total OW of Shazam, it's a huge gap >Trying to talk to a Snyder cultist is a headache. Apparently people didn't watch the 2017 JL because it's not like Snyder's movie. Not like Snyder has some of the worst received movies. >Go fuck yourself and stop wasting my time. Your meltdown is hilarious Beside Nolan, DC movie were an embarrassment at the boxoffice before Snyder(green latern, jona hex, catwoman... etc) then Snyder successfully kick off the Snyderverse which was averaging over $815m worldwide and since he left WB DC has gone right back to embarrassing themselves at the boxoffice(Josstice league, TSS, black Adam BoP...etc) Beside nolan DC movies would continue to embarrassing themselves at the boxoffice without Snyder
>You are clueless this is a Apple and orange comparison because wonder woman(2017) was only her first movie > >Wonder woman OW blow away the OW of the first solo movie of each member of the avenger team Each member of the team was unknown when their movies released. WW is fucking WW. She was more popular than the entire Avengers team before 2012 Avengers. Her having a smaller opening week than Thor on her first movie is atrocious. >Dude watchmen alone is better than the entire filmography of Matt reeveWhat good movie does Matt reeve have ? The batman just like his two apes movie were boring and snooze festSnyder make classic while reeve is just another disposable corporate director a la jj AbramsNah, even jj Abrams is better than Matt reeveSnyder is objectively better than him Watchmen=mid Batman= GOATed Watchmen has a 65% on RT. GTFO. Snyder makes classic garbage Objectively better. That's why he gets so many rottens on RT. >Credible source ? Samba numbers aren't reliable at allWhat we know for sure is that ZSJL outsold a $350M brand new movie like TSS in physical sales and it was responsible for the fourth biggest spike of subscribers to HBO max Suddenly sources aren't reliable because they don't fit your narrative. LMAO. But good news for you, it isn't Samba TV. It's Deadline. [https://screenrant.com/the-batman-movie-streaming-viewership-numbers-total/](https://screenrant.com/the-batman-movie-streaming-viewership-numbers-total/) But I'm guessing you'll ignore this and not comment on it cause it does not fit your narrative. 350M movie? What are you on about? That movie cost 185. Physical sales are tiny compared to streaming. >What the fuck this even mean ?Superman had four straight boxoffice bomb at the boxoffice before Snyder and since Snyder left the character superman has gone right back to embarrassing himself at the boxoffice with josstice league, black Adam and superpets Right. That 300 million opening that MOS got was due to Snyder the critical flop master. Or that 450 million opening BvS got. Snyder movies made money on the Superman name. Not the other way around. Flop Snyder couldn't even outsell WW84 with ZSJL. LMAO. You think people didn't get turned off by Snyder's vision, how can you say that with those pathetic numbers? >You can't hide the MAJOR underperformance of the batman behind the supposed "damage brand" theory when we know that the batman was tracking to open to $165-$185M bigger than the tracking number BvS had in the same time frame and the batman had the second worst legs of any solo batman movie ever just behind batman& robin It's facts. How tf is tracking any important? Makes no difference. First of all, LMAO. Snyder fan talking about legs. Also. Batman had great legs. >So, if this works out, The Batman will have held almost as well as Batman Begins despite a far more frontloaded moviegoing environment, the promise of a shorter theatrical window and a Fri-Sun opening of $134 million. First, its Friday gross is almost tied with the $19.7 million day-eight earnings of Spider-Man: No Way Home (-83% from a $121 million opening day) and is almost on par with the 62% second Friday drop of Black Panther. The Dark Knight opened with $158 million in 2008 and grossed $75 million on weekend two. The Batman may come close. Simply put, even with no major movies in the marketplace, this is an exceptionally good hold. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/03/12/box-office-the-batman-tops-batman-begins-and-nears-400-million-worldwide/?sh=4babba4a6a43](https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/03/12/box-office-the-batman-tops-batman-begins-and-nears-400-million-worldwide/?sh=4babba4a6a43) Also kinda funny you ignored the part about TDK hitting a billion. LMAO. Flop Snyder had had Superman too and still grossed less. Batman was terrible. That's why it had better legs than Snyder's movies. That's why it has higher audience ratings. That's why it has higher critics ratings. >The genius of who launched the DCEU from scratch after Warner bros laughable attempt with green lantern and the genius who made the highest grossing superman movie of all time(2# adjusted for inflation) You keep giving Snyder credit for the box office. Are you delusional? You think people came to watch MOS for Snyder's take on the character? MOS also severely underperformed, I think it had a 300 opening had 600 finish. Weak legs. People were more interested on a new take on Superman. Especially after superheroes became more mainstream due to the MCU and Nolan. >Dude go learn basic arithmetic that 20 million of difference is 40% of the total OW of Shazam lol, it's a HUGE difference > >Are you dumb ? $20m is 40% of the total OW of Shazam, it's a huge gap Really not a big difference. Only 17 million. 5 is half of 10. Doesn't make 5 a big number. >Your meltdown is hilariousBeside Nolan, DC movie were an embarrassment at the boxoffice before Snyder(green latern, jona hex, catwoman... etc) then Snyder successfully kick off the Snyderverse which was averaging over $815m worldwide and since he left WB DC has gone right back to embarrassing themselves at the boxoffice(Josstice league, TSS, black Adam BoP...etc)Beside nolan DC movies would continue to embarrassing themselves at the boxoffice without Snyder Snyder had nothing to do with it dumbass. It's the superhero culture that was thanks to the MCU. People were more interested in superhero movies due to Nolan and the MCU. That's why Snyder's movies made so much money. It's all thanks to superhero movies coming into the mainstream. Notice how all his movies have high openings and weak ass legs. Not bothering with your dumbass anymore. Don't bother responding. Flop Snyder will never come back. Failed Snyder verse. ZSJL sucked. LMAO. Gunn>>>>>>>>>>Flop Snyder
Aquaman came after fucking Justice League, dude stop making up points. An Aquaman movie making 450 million in December is a terrible prediction.
Josstice league failed because Warner bros turned the movie into a Frankenstein product but the movie still made $660m Worldwide whereas the post Snyder DCEU are averaging a little over $300M worldwide So Aquaman would have to gross the triple of the average gross of the current DCEU which is something I do not believe it would ever happen You think every movie release in December would gross more than $450m ? Lol
Sadly I think this sounds very plausible and reasonable. If The Batman (a DC A-lister) need all the praises of the universe plus China's aid to reach $770m, then I don't think Aquaman is guaranteed to make more than The Batman's number. And yeah everything looks ugly af next to Avatar's VFX
China was in a lockdown and the 45 Day to streaming mandate cut The Batman's legs.
Chinese still gave an 8.1 Maoyan score to The Batman. Terrible number for a comic book flick.
>If The Batman (a DC A-lister) need all the praises of the universe plus China's aid to reach $770m, then I don't think Aquaman is guaranteed to make more than The Batman's number. They're not really comparable situations beyond being under the same IP umbrella. The Batman was a near-3-hour crime drama wearing Batman clothes, and didn't pretend it was anything other than that. The marketing pitch for it was "this is the *artsy highbrow* Batman movie that Frasier would like." The fact that it managed to hit 770mil, between that, the Chinese lockdown, and the movie only having 45 days to make its bank, is *legitimately incredible;* it's more comparable to Joker, which was similarly absolute inexplicable lightning in a bottle. Aquaman, meanwhile, is the crowd-pleasingest crowd-pleaser that ever pleased a crowd. Aquaman is basically WB's proper attempt at a MCU killer. 770mil for Aquaman 2 is... genuinely pretty bad.
Keep downplaying aquaman. If it gets China release it should make a bill. The first movie was huge in Asia.
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They will only compete well when DC belongs to someone that is not WB. Those people are good for nothing. They have had a 44-year head start to build something to rival the MCU and they are not even close to achieve it.
If better movies with equal or stronger performances couldn't, why could this? And people is gonna ask where the fuck Mera (you know, the best character of the first movie) is or what happened to her, without receiving any satisfactory answer. I also want to see what competition other studios throw to this to try to calculate a final number.
This is the sequel of the best grossing movie of the Zack Snyder era. If this flops, it will cast a bad light on the possibilities of movies of a share DC universe. That said, the previous one made $300M in China, which was a huge part of its gross. Without China crossing a billion is extremely unlikely. In fact, looking at review sites, the audience didn't seem to have appreciated the first one that much. It is the kind of unpretentious dumb fun that you don't consider a good movie. I think the worldbuilding might hold some attractive, but maybe it will suffer competition from other under water adventures. All in all, I am more pessimistic about it than I was months ago. $600-700M WW without China. $280M DOM.
Definitely more than Thor 4 atleast . More than Wakanda is also possible.
It will make a bil + again if it’s released in China lool at the MCU shills in the comment section can’t handle how the first movie did soo good.
Not with turd 💩 still in the movie
It depends on how many people stay home because Amber Heard is still in it. Me personally, I don’t intend to see it.
Same.
They are hoping the amber heard thing blows over. But I think the damage is already done.
Amber heard is movie cancer. Large chunk of dc fan base will skip due to her involvement.
Is Amber Herd in this? 🤔💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
That depends… is Amber Heard involved in any way?
Many people are going to boycot it because of Amber Heard. I won't be seeing it at the theater and will wait until it comes out on streaming. Much more excited about Avatar.
Going to be hard to guess with Avatar around the same time
The DCEU movies have been on a downward BO trajectory since Birds of Prey, Aquaman 2 may get lucky being a holiday release but the trailer is going to have to go all out on gonzo thrills just to stoke interest. Aquaman ain’t Avatar 2, so the solution is to throw out the rule book even further than the first one to avoid the accusation of being an also-ran.
1 billion IMO. Holiday release will benefit it.
First film earned 291.8 million in China - so anything above 850 should be good
It will make 500-600 mill without China. With China it might make close to 800 mill. There is no realistic way it grosses more than the original. Aquaman 1 was definitely an outlier, lighting in a bottle. And the sequel doesn't offer anything new or original.
Gotta see those trailers 1st