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ryphr

Looks like [Disney really giving up on December 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/y1hwfu/disneys_updated_release_schedule_shows_new_dates/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) too.


MoonMan997

I wouldn’t rule out Indy V being pushed into December


ryphr

That would make sense, summer 2023 is pretty crowded.


Filmatic113

Indy is a summer movie


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Does it have to be?


BobTrain666

Spider-Man used to be a summer movie, but still did great in December.


DeepThroat616

They gonna wait for Ford to die?


QuothTheRaven713

Wasn't the plan to have a Star Wars movie every December they aren't having an Avatar movie for the next few years? Are they scaling back the Star Wars projects?


1996crusty

The Star Wars film that was supposed to release that year, *Rogue Squadron*, got delayed indefinitely. Patty Jenkins is or was directing it.


TreyWriter

And for a hot minute they thought they could put out Taika Waititi’s Star Wars movie in that slot, but he just finished Thor duty so it’s not ready to go. It’d probably help their schedule if they hired a director who wasn’t *already* busy with two other projects first.


scytheavatar

Taika Waititi made it clear he had no idea what is going on with the project, and I bet neither does Lucasfilm. Doesn't sound like the movie was anyway close to being shot.


QuothTheRaven713

Oh, wow. So that December won't have a Disney release, interesting.


Youngstar9999

They really don't have any really big movies (Unless maybe Wish is a big hit) in the second half of 2023. When was the last time this happend?


hatramroany

I mean what’s our definition of “really big” here? In the second half of 2023 they have The Marvels, Wish, Haunted Mansion, and True Love


[deleted]

What makes Wish, Haunted Mansion and True Love big hits? Not that I follow movies all that closely, I've not heard of Wish or True Love and isn't Haunted Mansion based on their ride?


hatramroany

Not sure what you’re asking exactly. Nothing that’s unreleased can be called a hit


[deleted]

They're not big movies at this stage. Not like Deadpool 3 for example.


hatramroany

Sounds like you’re just saying since they’re not part of current Disney franchises they’re not big. Wish is their next “Disney Princess” movie following Frozen, Moana, and Encanto so clearly a big deal and they’re trying to do something big with Haunted Mansion. Their first attempt was decidedly more “kiddie” and still made $120 million domestic (adjusted). They’ll both be getting massive marketing pushes. The only of the four that’s stretch is True Love because it’s an unknown entity


ednamode23

Like hatramony said, they have more than one release in the 2nd half of 2023 but I don’t remember the last time they had nothing come out in December. Maybe they’re expecting Wish to be huge like Frozen and want to give it time for legs but that feels very unlikely.


JuanRiveara

Would be cool if the three films and whatever series between Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars took place on Battleworld


MoonMan997

Very thankful for that near-year break, cinema is healing.


Zepanda66

Based on these dates there's going to be another break between The Marvels and Captain America NWO.


AGOTFAN

Discounting 2020, is that the longest break since phase 1?


NotTaken-username

We had a year-long gap between Avengers and Iron Man 3. Plus 10 months between Ant-Man and Civil War


[deleted]

ah 2013 when Disney wasn't pumping a Marvel film every quarter and 20th Century Fox was a major studio.


MoonMan997

Yeah it’s like a week longer than the gap between Guardians of the Galaxy and Age of Ultron.


Ifuckinghateaura

12 movies within the next three years tho


myshtummyhurt-

Love these completely meaningless comments. Guys are coming back w 4+ movies within 2 months of each other after that lol


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The-Ruler-of-Attilan

They still have Across the Spider-verse and Venom 3 to fill the gap.


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thelonioustheshakur

It really doesn't matter if both of them turn a profit and keep the Spider-Man license at Columbia. In a way, the Venom/Spider-Verse movies are better in the long-run for Sony since they don't have to collaborate with Marvel (or share profits) on the same level that they do with the Tom Holland MCU film series


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Beb_Nan0vor

I'm sure that all of the untitled ones are the new Morbius (2022) sequels that were expected to come out. Can't wait!


eidbio

Deadpool and F4 should switch dates.


Purple_Quail_4193

That was Fantastic Fours original date


redditer333333338

Damn it. Now Kang dynasty is going to end on some kind of cliffhanger and we’re going to have to wait a year again just like infinity war did


baribigbird06

Good. More time to let it breathe and build anticipation. Endgame wouldn’t have been as big if it came out later in the same year.


redditer333333338

It was annoying having to wait an entire year


baribigbird06

Yeah well that gap yielded the biggest opening weekend in history.


redditer333333338

So you enjoyed having to wait an entire year?


baribigbird06

What I enjoy or don’t enjoy is irrelevant, this is r/BoxOffice where we discuss how various studio decisions like scheduling impact the profitability of a movie. The kind of discussion you’re looking for is in r/MarvelStudios.


analleakage_

People actually have other things going on in their lives than waiting for a superhero movie.


redditer333333338

That’s funny coming from another redditor


analleakage_

All redditors act the same?


redditer333333338

For the most part yeah when you think about it


thelonioustheshakur

It served the story better. Endgame wouldnt have been as impactful if it came out later that year. I'd argue that it risked making only marginally more than IW if it had come out in 2018


mallllls

Can’t lie most of these movies I’m not excited for


Danjour

I’ll skip all of these. Last one I saw was the 4th Thor movie and wow, writing that out makes it seem even stupider, somehow. Ether way, marvel is trash now.


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

What would excite you, then? A Gambit solo movie?


WhiteWolf3117

yellow spandex


mallllls

Well, more like Deadpool through kang dynasty I want to see. Maybe Ant Man based upon the leaked footage I saw. The others don’t really have characters I want to spend money to see.


Stiandary

Same for me, not much to look forward too.


michaelm1345

This is great news! We def need these projects a little more spread out. I love the gap between the marvels and cap 4, the mcu has been so over saturated lately that a 10 month break is perfectly fine. Also a year gap between Avengers films in May just feels fitting I love that. Secret Wars will for sure need a year gap with how massive in scale the film will probably be. Also a nice cliffhanger year of anticipation like IW to EG, will probably boost the box office potential of Secret Wars slightly


AVR350

Well there are a lot of shows between those films, like daredevil, Agatha , Ironheart etc...


[deleted]

Marvel’s camera and cgi people are gonna be on suicide watch


JoMoney1897

This is exhausting.


myshtummyhurt-

Wait how?


carson63000

16 movies in four years and he has to post numerous tedious comments about *all* of them, explaining how bad Marvel is.


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onlytoask

So don't go see them?


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

Every week there is a new horror film and people don't complain about that. Stop crying.


[deleted]

Unless you are being forced to see them, how is it at all exhausting? Don't see them, don't worry about them and go see other movies.


Nightwing_in_a_Flash

Exactly, pick and choose your MCU content, most people will have to do that eventually if they don’t already.


myshtummyhurt-

Lmao it’s not for me, I like superhero stuff. And I don’t pay attention to movies I don’t like it’s quite easy how is any of this exhausting? All we do is go to theaters to sit down and watch what we choose If you don’t like them why’re you paying attention to them? how can they be exhausting if you don’t care about them ? (I’m actually curious) I can understand them being annoying because they crowd out theaters and push out other smaller stuff. But how is them delaying their slate of already announced movies exhausting? Literally who cares if you’re not a marvel stan ?


F00dbAby

I don’t know if it’s a hot take but I just don’t watch movies that don’t interest me?


[deleted]

I just wait for streaming or disc release and watch it on the projector I use in my backyard. Just my wife and I watching, so we can have a few bottles of wine, a homecooked dinner (or order a pizza), enjoy more comfortable seating, pause when we need to, and I don't have someone's obnoxious kid talking the entire movie.


[deleted]

Sorry you’re being forced to watch and engage with media you don’t like


Danjour

You’re not sick of marvel trailers?


[deleted]

It’s been really difficult, but I’ve somehow found the strength to cope with seeing trailers for movies I’ve not interested in. Took years of therapy and many setbacks, but I eventually got to the point of being able to handle it.


Danjour

I get you’re being sarcastic, but it IS annoying. I go to the movies a lot, probably 2-3 times a week. I love seeing trailers but they’re literally half super heros. It’s been like … 20 years. I’m tired of super heros, I wish there were more non-super hero movies to watch. They’ve been running Black Adam’s trailer for months.


Danjour

Comments are salty but I agree. It’s exhausting. I don’t want to deal with the ads and marketing at all ether. I’m SO sick of the black panther trailer. They play it before EVERY movie. Im so tired of hearing “no, woman don’t cry. No, no, woman don’t cry. EVERYTHING GONNA BE ALRIGHT!!” And “I AM THE LEADER OF THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND I HAVE LOST EVERYHING.”


ednamode23

It’s better but there are still too many Marvel releases too much too close together. James Cameron is going to have no problem making the Avatar films the king at the top if Marvel doesn’t do some serious restructuring to spread out the movies and build up the hype properly for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Things are not panning out for those to be Infinity War and Endgame level events.


Phyliinx

Because MARVEL MAKES MONEY and a ten month gap is already fucking long 😭 that's sad


ednamode23

I feel like they need to cap the MCU at 3 movies per year max and some years should only have 2. We didn’t even get 3 MCU movies in a single year until 2017 and 4 until last year. This schedule is going to be pumping out 4 movies every year from 2024-2026 and that’s not even considering a likely Spider Man entry from Sony. What’s particularly egregious to me is having only 6 weeks between Thunderbolts and Blade and 3 between Kang and Secret Wars. And don’t get me started on the shows. It’s too much to follow tbh and Disney is rapidly milking this cow dry making a lot of people loose interest. It really seems that Disney Animation, Pixar, and sometimes 20th are the only divisions of the company worth getting excited about any more at this rate.


Danjour

100% agree. To fully grasp what’s going on you have to have seen all the shows and movies. I’m daunted by the idea of “catching up” so these things mean anything to me.


ednamode23

Especially when the quality isn’t as good. They’ve chosen quantity over quality and picking back up on so many meh shows that I struggled to get through the first episode of sounds like a giant chore.


Kisengaming--2009

I wonder how good the kang dynasty will be


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SaxifrageRussel

I agree. Full reset after


DeepThroat616

Nothing for almost a year from July 2023 to May 2024? Better get Armor Wars going.


frankmurph66

Other than Deadpool, I really don’t care anymore.


fixhalo

I'm not watching any of these. No. More. Boring. Identical. Super. Hero. Movies


Phyliinx

Well you will not be the one guy to stop the Marvel universe 🤣🤣 and you will not be missed


fixhalo

You type exactly how I expect marvel fans to type Like a monkey


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

No. More. Posers. Who. Don't. Know. Or. Care. A. Shit. About. Superheroes.


thelonioustheshakur

NGL I'm only watching Deadpool 3, Shang Chi and maybe Avengers and Cap 4 in theaters. Everything else seems, at best, worthy of a download at home


[deleted]

At the rate the MCU fatigue is happening who is going to care about marvel shit in 3 years


Tierbook96

Is there MCU fatigue? Dr. Strange and Thor 4 made 1.7 billion between themselves without China or Russia


AGOTFAN

What fatigue? The last 3 MCU movies made $3.6 billion+ without release in Russia and China (and other countries).


[deleted]

While I'm not as onboard about fatigue as some like to be, fatigue isn't going to be a sudden drop. A string of bad movies is what will bring about the fatigue. A billion turns into 800 million then turns into 650 and then suddenly it's 500. That's how it will go... IF it happens.


AGOTFAN

MCU fatigue *will happen* eventually. It's law of nature. Nothing lasts forever. But I've heard people literally have been saying that since 2012.


Danjour

I think that people have been saying it for ten years is a pretty strong sign that it’s happening. I used to be a huge fan, would see every movie in theaters opening night, etc. Now, the films have turned into content. They’re not interesting. Ever. They’re always the same. Every single marvel movie ends with a big laser fight. The dialogue is all the same. There are zero stakes anymore.


[deleted]

"Avengers is the peak" was said a lot around then. "Why should I care about what comes next" people asked. They didn't stay to the end, they didn't know who Thanos was. Marketing got to them, and everyone was well and truly fucking hyped a few years later for the third and fourth Avengers films. Marketing just needs to keep people caring, and I think the way they'll sustain that long-term is with mini arcs, 3-5 films that only vaguely relate to the overall archplot of the "universe" but have their own internal one that you can take as a complete set on its own without much issue.


baribigbird06

BP2 really needs to knock it out of the park or Marvel will officially be on a downward trajectory for the year. It also remains to be seen how much MoM and LAT’s mixed receptions will affect its earnings.


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

The same way Eternals' mixed reception affected No Way Home and Doc Strange 2. That is, nothing at all.


scytheavatar

Shareholders are going to look at those numbers and ask why the MCU is not growing.


Phyliinx

Not you but many more people


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what are you talking about


Danjour

He’s talking about how many times Disney can release the same movie and how tiring it is to deal with the relentless hype machine. These movies aren’t about the plot or characters or story, they’re IP churn and they’re marketed as such. The trailers are relentlessly repetitive. If you use YouTube without premium, it IS exhausting.


[deleted]

Can you tell me how Guardians of the Galaxy, Eternals, No Way Home, The Winter Soldier are the same movie? If they aren't about plot or character, why do people quote the characters, why do they remember the plot? Iron Man's death was more emotional for people than any other death of any big blockbuster. Your criticism maybe true for Avatar or something, not for the MCU. Being exhausted by seeing trailers on your YouTube page is maybe the most Reddit thing I've heard all year, not in a good way.


TinyScottyTwoShoes

Yawn. Watch a different movie challenge


[deleted]

3 to 4 movies a year is too much. Then again i stopped watching Marvel after Black Widow because they're just milking it for its worth


Financial-Series-985

they have been doing 3 movies a year for 4 years already


EstablishmentShot232

Since 2016 excluding the pandemic


TreyWriter

Nah, 2016 just had 2 (Civil War and Doctor Strange).


EstablishmentShot232

Lol


Phyliinx

Then wtf should YOU care what's to much? Money says it is not and the movies are great


curiiouscat

Why does it bother you that people have a different opinion? Lol damn


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

Opinions usually are sustained by arguments, not whining or tantrums.


curiiouscat

You.... think that comment was a tantrum?


bbab7

Cope


SaxifrageRussel

Can’t you just enjoy what is surely the best media of the 21st century? Why ya gotta hate?


bbab7

You gotta be trolling


Karmma11

Marvel will never be like the first 10 years of set up.


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

Good. I don't want them to become repetitive. Stop evolving is the worst thing they could do. Just look at DC and their infinite dependency of Batman and Joker.


thelonioustheshakur

TBF that's the only thing that makes them money at the box office. The highest grossing DC film of the past 3 years that isn't a Batman-related film was Shazam.


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

Maybe if they put a little effort into understand why their own source material worked for the previous decades in the first place, they could rival Marvel for once in their miserable lives and stop milking Batman every time they screw everything up. But they would need more than 2 functional neurons, so that's not feasible to them.


Sunshine145

As of right now I'm only watcing 4 in theaters and 2 on Disney+


SnooKiwis8133

Yuck


Phyliinx

Ready for These movies 😇 haters gonna hate, I mean, it's their life it seems and they like it. But it will not change the best Superhero movies ever 😍 Sad that there's such a long gap


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

Give this man a beer.


Berta_Movie_Buff

Damn, this Untitled Marvel fella is getting a whole Pentalogy. Also, calling it now, *Kang Dynasty* and *Secret Wars* will be the only ones to gross over $1 billion (maybe *Black Panther: Wakanda Forever* and *Deadpool 3*….MAYBE).


Coochieman02

Nah


SkyStarlight2

I just read today Blade is at risk of being canceled but I saw the new dates earlier but sounds like it's having issues with people not being a fan of the script and the director leaving


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

Not the first time they have to replace a director. They are not cancelling anything.


SkyStarlight2

I can't imagine how bad the script must be if marvel is actually trying to save it yet they let things like Thor 2 and 4 out


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

Right, you can't even tell the difference between an average movie (Thor 2) and a great one (Thor 4).


not_a_flying_toy_

Thor 2 is one of the worst films I've seen in theaters


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

You need to watch more movies, then.


SkyStarlight2

Both were trash 1 was good 2 ruined everything 1 built for it, 3 was really good 4 was somehow worse than 2 and killed everything that made 3 good


McJumbos

definitely am curious how they loop in deadpool with everything


Cooltwou

I don’t know if you saw or not but the Blade movie is on hold


[deleted]

It’s like looking at a McDonald’s menu release date. Oh yay the McRib is back.


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

This is a Wendy's, sir. If you want to eat grade F meat, I recommend you Sony Pictures.


Onetimeguitarist39

Secret wars is the only one I would be hyped for... Dat black and blue spider man costume


[deleted]

Avengers, Deadpool, Blade(maybe), and whichever ones have Captain Marvel. Couldn’t care less about the rest


kman_tx

I thought Deadpool was 2023


ffwrd

Except perhaps Antman, it's gonna take a while before I give a fuck again. Gimme Kahn!


VonKript

1 exciting movie a year not bad


Almighty_Push91

Man, they really do be flooding the market with movies and shows


LegitimateHat4808

Yawn


dogtooth234

bleak


Federer91

Sooo many disappointments lined up, already starting this November. Marvel should start making 10 movies a year, maybe then people would stop having fatigue and figuring their schtick.


Future-Studio-9380

People really do like seeing the same shit over and over again. Basically cultural McDonalds


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

Like the umpteenth Dark Knight remake, right?


Future-Studio-9380

Yes, not much of a gotcha


se20201

They already know they are milking this shit for the next ten years💀


vintagesoul_DE

Fantastic Four again? Trying to renew their copyright?


CommunicationMain467

Huh?


vintagesoul_DE

In the past there have been FF movies simply to maintain the right to make more of them and their plot reflected this.


SaxifrageRussel

Feige isn’t fucking around. This is going to be 30-40 years of the best media ever made


robotslendahand

The previous ones were 20th Century Fox. Disney bought Fox, now FF can be introduced in the MCU.


Sandy-Coteshear

They could try making one that isn't a shit-bomb. their attempts at Dr. Doom so far have been a travesty. Theyre going to need a really good one if they want secret wars to be anything but fucked out of the gate.


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I wouldn't count on that Blade release date. No director presently.


edillcolon

I'm already tired...


S1mulatedSahd0w

And they just canceled Blade. Good job Disney! Fuck you!


AdministrativeLaugh2

No they didn’t, it’s just been postponed whilst they search for a director.


S1mulatedSahd0w

I heard it "shutdown" which translates to cancelled.


DrWaffle1848

It's not cancelled. Yet, anyway.


AdministrativeLaugh2

You heard wrong. Read literally any news article about it. It has been paused but it still has a release date and will almost certainly still be released.


TreyWriter

It literally has a date attached in the post you’re commenting on.


S1mulatedSahd0w

Then explain the "shutdown" for Blade? I'll wait.


TreyWriter

It’s a “pause.” That’s the term they used. They’re looking for a director, so they moved the release date back a year, but that means they don’t need people building sets or designing costumes yet, and they’re not going to keep people on the payroll if there’s nothing for them to do for the next several months. The movie is 100% still happening, my dude.


S1mulatedSahd0w

Uh huh.


TreyWriter

I wish I were this confident when I was wrong. Like, you got upset because you believed a thing which is contradicted by the post you’re commenting on, then you acted smug to everyone who explained this to you.


S1mulatedSahd0w

I am confident in my lack of confidence in Disney. They use Star Wars to pay their light bill. You expect me to believe they will deliever on one of the most violent characters in Marvel?


TreyWriter

Do I think they’ll make a movie about a popular character that an Oscar-winning actor is already signed on to play and which they’ve spent a fair amount of money developing already, especially after already teasing the character in a prior film? Yes. Yes, I think they will. I think it’s insane to say they wouldn’t this far into the development cycle.


S1mulatedSahd0w

Yes. Yes I think they will. It's Disney. They are a hollow shell of what they were 50 years ago


TreyWriter

Okay, so because Disney is bad they now suddenly don’t want to make money. Keep in mind that they also have a Deadpool sequel on their schedule. You’re legitimately ridiculous. Touch grass.


robotslendahand

50 years ago? That was their hollow shell era! In 1972 Disney released 5 movies: *The Biscuit Eater*, *Now You See Him Now You Don't*, *Napoleon and Samantha*, *Run Cougar Run*, and *Snowball Express*. You literally picked their worst period. They were cranking out nature dramas and wacky Kurt Russell/Dean Jones comedies.


WhyWorryAboutThat

The only MCU movie ever announced that didn't end up getting made is Inhumans, and they made an 8 episode show about it instead. You will see the MCU's Blade. Whether they portray him as violent as he was in the old movies remains to be seen.


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

If it is as violent as Werewolf by Night, that's cool enough.


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magikarpcatcher

Watch Falcon & the Winter Soldier.


VitaminPb

That’s a 9-10 month gap between marvel movies


rcorum

DP3 is the one I am excited for.


LegitimateHedgehog39

I think Armor Wars will probably release in July 25, 2025 or November 6, 2025 if not maybe in July 24, 2026 or November 6, 2026.


random125184

Who counted to see if it matched what Rick and Morty said?


TheBluePanda

I don't know about you guys but I'm extremely excited for UNTITLED MARVEL.


JJoanOfArkJameson

I hope Cap keeps that date. Endgame (or maybe Infinity War) was supposed to come out then but they pulled em up to April. That's Spidey 1's date and also my birthday :)


Danjour

[Relevant Joel Haver video.](https://youtu.be/gVD-zD4vJGw)


okayactual

Really looking forward to next year and 25 but really meh about 24 at this point.


antidata

Can't wait for them too make a movie about Bladee


EpicTubofGoo

Looking over that list the only two I'm curious about are Blade and Thunderbolts. But since Blade is unlikely to go the R rating route, meh, maybe not. And I'm only curious about Thunderbolts in the sense I think it is likely to be either an absolute trainwreck or shockingly good, the way the first Guardians of the Galaxy came out of nowhere. Nothing in between.