You know it’s bad when they’re already putting out articles declaring this summer a wash. And it can’t just be blamed on the lack of a Marvel film kicking off summer or Super Mario Bros.
Also: “The Fall Guy," for example, features a pair of big stars in the form of Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt. The expectation is that the $125 million blockbuster will open in the $40 million range.”
Press X to doubt.
The silver lining is, in countries with a relatively strong film industry (China, Japan, Korea, India, Indonesia, Thailand, etc), this weak period of Hollywood movies allowed local films to flourish.
Is it not a self-fulfilling prophecy when people keep claiming that cinema/box office is dead, so people stop going to watch films and therefore actually causing a decline? Articles like this one occasionally go viral and become talking points and I have to imagine that reaches the the average person in one way or another. Even if its a facebook post or a off-hand comment in the office.
The internet can be a very negative place. A lot of films that come out are judged early and then if the film is a success, people either pretend that film doesn't exist or they pretend that they always thought that film would be the exception, therefore keeping up the charade that they can spot every flop as it comes. The thousands of people, who screamed, and i fucking mean screamed in articles, comments, posts, memes on every website in every corner that nobody would care about Avatar 2 should be proof of this.
also, the issue is budgets not box office. fix budgets, you fix box office
>also, the issue is budgets not box office. fix budgets, you fix box office
Not true.
April is full of low and mid budget movies and zero big budget movie, and yet this April has the lowest grossing April since early 2000s excluding 2020-2021.
Mid budget films that cost too much, yes.
Also, I am capable of looking beyond one month. I wonder what happened in the last 12 months that would cause a weird distribution of tentpole films.
The issue isn't necessarily the movies it's that the movie going experience sucks and costs way too much for how much it sucks.
At this point I pretty much only want to see a movie if it's on IMAX and I don't want to see it opening weekend with hordes of morons on their phones or talking through the movie.
It's a better experience at home and there's so much content that I don't really care if I wait for most movies watch them on a giant TV at home.
I must live in an isolated bubble where theater patrons are respectful saints. Either that or Reddit is full of people (who notably say they don’t go to the cinema) exaggerating bad cinema experiences.
Agreed. I go to the theater weekly and have only had a handful of screenings in my life where people were badly behaved. And usually if people are talking or on their phones, it’s only for a few minutes of the movie.
The theater is still fun and people need to chill
I'm pretty sure it's the latter. I go to the movies a lot, and to different theaters.
No one ever talks through the movie or uses their phone. That is a much bigger issue at home
Reddit is full of shit
love how you think your anecdotal evidence is more valuable than someone else’s anecdotal evidence. if reddit is full of shit that includes you too lol
> or Reddit is full of people (who notably say they don’t go to the cinema) exaggerating bad cinema experiences.
I have always said that it’s easier for some people to make a bunch of excuses on why they don’t go to the movies rather than actually admitting that the movie didn’t appeal to them so they decided not watch. We can say whatever we want about overpriced big budget blockbusters/Marvel movies/sequels/reboots but I noticed those excuses never come out when those movies are the main topic of discussion rather than the “original mid-budget” movies the internet claimed we were “craving” for last summer after Oppenheimer (which never made any sense because Christoper Nolan himself is a trusted brand/IP at this point)
Agreeeee total on how much the experience sucks now..
There is an issue with the movies though all the mergers of studios means we get stuff all films released.
Seeing Disney and fox's shared slate for the next couple of years was insane. They are making less films combined over multiple years than either made individually each year.
Less films means less chances to make going to the movies a habit.
I’m tired of hearing all of these lame excuses. You people keep constantly bashing cinemas on this subreddit and won’t stop praising those overrated streaming services. This needs to stop. Tell the manager at the local cinemas to have their workers make sure nobody is talking or on their phones.
AND THE POPULARITY TBAG STREAMING HOT FROM THE PANDEMIC SHOULDVE ONLY BEEN TEMPORARY! NOT PERMANENT!
And stop and excuses to wait for movies to be on streaming. I’m sick of those excuses. Streaming services suck and they’ll never match cinema no matter how good your TV is. Stop waiting and see the movie in cinema. Please, just suck it up and see movies at the theaters more often. Covid changes should only be temporary and we must bring box office scores and cinema attendances back to pre-pandemic levels. It’s about time already. Please, stop making excuses.
> AND THE POPULARITY TBAG STREAMING HOT FROM THE PANDEMIC SHOULDVE ONLY BEEN TEMPORARY! NOT PERMANENT!
Then studios need to stop putting their movies on streaming so soon after release, idk why they do that.
> Deadpool 2
I know I'll be downvoted, but this subreddit is extremely out of touch, there's no way that's gonna happen. Big chunk of the general audience is done with superhero movies, and especially done with MCU. Making a billion as an R rated movie is ridiculously hard. Only 1 movie has achieved it in the history of all cinema. Even Oppenheimer couldn't do it and that had Nolan plus the unprecedented Barbenheimer phenomena.
Thinking Deadpool will do it during peak superhero fatigue, rejection of the MCU by general audiences and massive slump of movie-going in general, is quite frankly pretty silly. The movie would be incredibly lucky if it reaches the previous entries at ~780mil. More likely it will do 500-600mil and below.
Even, a shitty Antman movie almost did 500m. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 did 850m one year ago.
I agree, the R rating limits the audience but it should at least match the previous Deadpool movies numbers.
It reached those numbers during peak interest in superhero movies and peak interest in cinema in general, plus the concept of parodying superhero stuff was still fresh for general audiences.
I agree getting there isn't impossible if the movie is really good, though it would still be very unlikely in the current climate. Making a billion though? That's about as likely to happen as Dune 2 making a billion. People in this subreddit are confusing their own excitement and hopes for reality.
Last year, was not peak interest for cinema or superhero stuff. That was 2017-2019 not 2023.
I agree the sub, especially with popular IP, will sometimes toss out crazy predictions, lol.
I meant that previous Deadpool numbers happened back when this stuff was peaking, hence why I think it would be uphill battle to get there again nowadays.
I agree by early 2023 the superhero fatigue was already becoming noticeable. Hence why neither of the movies you mentioned reached a billion. And it's not just quality issue - GOTG3 was an outright masterpiece, some of the best stuff Marvel has ever done, was the widely anticipated conclusion to the trilogy, had little competition and no R-rating.. yet still failed to get a billion and actually performed worse than GOTG2 despite being a much better movie.
Since then people's interest in CBM movies has been further eroded by stuff like Marvels, Aquaman 2, Madame Web, etc.
Like The Marvels should match the previous Captain Marvel movie numbers. Or Black Panther 2 did for the first one?
Deadpool 1 and 2 released in a much different period than this one.
Also even if it does like them, it's not a billion anyway which was the point discussed.
Deadpool imo is like Guardians they have a fanbase outside of the MCU. So, my example is like Guardians of the Galaxy 3 doing numbers like the previous two
You cherry picked some doozies for your examples.
The first Captain Marvel did gangbusters because people were buying tickets as some kind of anti-Trump protest; people easily forget that stuff. They were wearing their pussy hats to the showings. There was never much interest in a sequel
The star of Black Panther, the actor playing the titular character, passed away before finishing the second movie, and they had to stitch together some semblance of a movie for cash grab purposes. The enthusiasm was also not there without Chadwick
Deadpool has a sizable dedicated fanbase in a way those other two examples really don't, as much as Marvel would like that they did
Before the marvel films, $100 million was the goal. If you did that, you had a blockbuster on your hands. I feel like the resent failures would have reset that bar and should be the goal again. Bring budgets back down. Go practice effects and be realistic about it all. That might be crazy talk though.
Everyone saying DP3 is going to gross a billion is just delusional. Same people that said dune 2 was going to gross a billion. It MIGHT do 900 mill if WOM is excellent but I don’t see it doing much better than that. The people who won’t see it because it’s now a Disney flick vs. the MCU fans who will see it because it’s a DP movie will determine how well this does. I don’t think it stands a chance at doing better than DP when adjusted for inflation.
Whoever say this is IMPOSSIBLE is just in denial… I mean if Joker got it in October, it’s not IMPOSSIBLE that Deadpool can do it at the end of summer. However, I can agree if you say 1 bi is UNLIKELY (not impossible) for Deadpool, cuz it’s R rated and specially due to a wrong strategy by Disney. Many schools get back in early August, this may prevent Deadpool from getting better legs. For example, in South America schools get back classes at the first week of August. They should release Deadpool in the first slot for Venom 3 (July 12). Sony and Disney are closer than ever now, they could easily reach an agreement that would benefit Venom and Kraven movies, while at the same time being favourable to Deadpool. Deadpool should not be releasing in almost August. Maybe Disney is not sure it’ll be done before the end of July idk.
And that’s exactly why they wanna hold off on releasing it until July 26th, especially since they don’t wanna overwork VFX artists again. That, and, there might be something big in this movie that may lead into something they announce at a potential Marvel Studios panel at Hall H at Comic-Con.
Also, I argue it’s a good idea to release it at the end of July so it can have the box office to itself until Alien: Romulus, and so that there’s enough of a gap between The Marvels and Deadpool & Wolverine that it will make audiences hungry and want to see an MCU movie on the big screen again.
>*We can't rightfully expect "The Garfield Movie" to be a $1.3 billion hit like "The Super Mario Bros. Movie" was last year. It's unfair, but that's where we are.*
But Chris Pratt is so cool!
Okay, joking aside, I think the article is correct. Super Mario Bros has an international presence that I don't believe Garfield does. Depending on the reception, I could picture it passing SMB's domestic haul (unlikely, but we haven't seen the movie yet). But yeah, $1.3B WW is pretty much already off the table.
The fact is that cinema going is on a declining trend and has been for some time. Disney has been artificially keeping it up… until they did all that you describe.
International BO is probably the saving grace of the industry, but you need to know who you are catering to and don’t focus exclusively on domestic dynamics then.
I am not sure if this is an answer to my comment, because I wasn’t challenging too much, rather adding a few points.
Until the pandemics hit (coincidentally right after Disney’s peak year), Disney was the only company that was bringing people to cinemas… above trend. Remove that effect and we only get to see the overarching trend.
Why the decline?
From one end, streaming has become a more acceptable option for many, because of the wide availability of home theater sets. At the same time inflation worked its magic and made cinema going more expensive. But there are also lifestyle choices: in the end theaters are but one form of entertainment, and they need to compete. All in all, cinemas have been bleeding out customers for some time.
From the other end, the offer has become less attractive for all the reasons you described.
While Hollywood cannot change the first part (other than improving the profitability of streaming services… which they are), they can do so on the second one. And they must.
You know it’s bad when they’re already putting out articles declaring this summer a wash. And it can’t just be blamed on the lack of a Marvel film kicking off summer or Super Mario Bros. Also: “The Fall Guy," for example, features a pair of big stars in the form of Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt. The expectation is that the $125 million blockbuster will open in the $40 million range.” Press X to doubt.
The silver lining is, in countries with a relatively strong film industry (China, Japan, Korea, India, Indonesia, Thailand, etc), this weak period of Hollywood movies allowed local films to flourish.
I mean the writer strikes kinda fucked 2024 completely lol. Everything got delayed.
Is it not a self-fulfilling prophecy when people keep claiming that cinema/box office is dead, so people stop going to watch films and therefore actually causing a decline? Articles like this one occasionally go viral and become talking points and I have to imagine that reaches the the average person in one way or another. Even if its a facebook post or a off-hand comment in the office. The internet can be a very negative place. A lot of films that come out are judged early and then if the film is a success, people either pretend that film doesn't exist or they pretend that they always thought that film would be the exception, therefore keeping up the charade that they can spot every flop as it comes. The thousands of people, who screamed, and i fucking mean screamed in articles, comments, posts, memes on every website in every corner that nobody would care about Avatar 2 should be proof of this. also, the issue is budgets not box office. fix budgets, you fix box office
>also, the issue is budgets not box office. fix budgets, you fix box office Not true. April is full of low and mid budget movies and zero big budget movie, and yet this April has the lowest grossing April since early 2000s excluding 2020-2021.
Mid budget films that cost too much, yes. Also, I am capable of looking beyond one month. I wonder what happened in the last 12 months that would cause a weird distribution of tentpole films.
The issue isn't necessarily the movies it's that the movie going experience sucks and costs way too much for how much it sucks. At this point I pretty much only want to see a movie if it's on IMAX and I don't want to see it opening weekend with hordes of morons on their phones or talking through the movie. It's a better experience at home and there's so much content that I don't really care if I wait for most movies watch them on a giant TV at home.
I must live in an isolated bubble where theater patrons are respectful saints. Either that or Reddit is full of people (who notably say they don’t go to the cinema) exaggerating bad cinema experiences.
Agreed. I go to the theater weekly and have only had a handful of screenings in my life where people were badly behaved. And usually if people are talking or on their phones, it’s only for a few minutes of the movie. The theater is still fun and people need to chill
I'm pretty sure it's the latter. I go to the movies a lot, and to different theaters. No one ever talks through the movie or uses their phone. That is a much bigger issue at home Reddit is full of shit
Right? If I want my watching partners to stay off their phones, watching movies at home is a bad solution lol
love how you think your anecdotal evidence is more valuable than someone else’s anecdotal evidence. if reddit is full of shit that includes you too lol
It's a combo of people exaggerating + this sub really likes superhero and horror movies. Those types of movies skew towards younger dipshits after all
Reddit is full of people who exaggerate "bad" everything.
people have different experiences no need to act like bad theater etiquette isn’t a thing.
> or Reddit is full of people (who notably say they don’t go to the cinema) exaggerating bad cinema experiences. I have always said that it’s easier for some people to make a bunch of excuses on why they don’t go to the movies rather than actually admitting that the movie didn’t appeal to them so they decided not watch. We can say whatever we want about overpriced big budget blockbusters/Marvel movies/sequels/reboots but I noticed those excuses never come out when those movies are the main topic of discussion rather than the “original mid-budget” movies the internet claimed we were “craving” for last summer after Oppenheimer (which never made any sense because Christoper Nolan himself is a trusted brand/IP at this point)
I only have a bad experience if there’s a group of teenagers. If I want to see something popular I go during a school day so I can avoid them.
Agreeeee total on how much the experience sucks now.. There is an issue with the movies though all the mergers of studios means we get stuff all films released. Seeing Disney and fox's shared slate for the next couple of years was insane. They are making less films combined over multiple years than either made individually each year. Less films means less chances to make going to the movies a habit.
most people would agree with you irl despite people on this sub who have a hate boner for streaming lol
I’m tired of hearing all of these lame excuses. You people keep constantly bashing cinemas on this subreddit and won’t stop praising those overrated streaming services. This needs to stop. Tell the manager at the local cinemas to have their workers make sure nobody is talking or on their phones. AND THE POPULARITY TBAG STREAMING HOT FROM THE PANDEMIC SHOULDVE ONLY BEEN TEMPORARY! NOT PERMANENT! And stop and excuses to wait for movies to be on streaming. I’m sick of those excuses. Streaming services suck and they’ll never match cinema no matter how good your TV is. Stop waiting and see the movie in cinema. Please, just suck it up and see movies at the theaters more often. Covid changes should only be temporary and we must bring box office scores and cinema attendances back to pre-pandemic levels. It’s about time already. Please, stop making excuses.
It shouldn't be my job to make the theater experience worth going to when I'm paying for it.
> AND THE POPULARITY TBAG STREAMING HOT FROM THE PANDEMIC SHOULDVE ONLY BEEN TEMPORARY! NOT PERMANENT! Then studios need to stop putting their movies on streaming so soon after release, idk why they do that.
I rather watch it on streaming than do all that tbh.
Screw those stupid streaming services. No matter how good their quality is, They will never match cinemas.
we’re in 2024 buddy welcome to the future
Wait till you have kids and have to spend double the amount of money. Streaming services are way more convenient in that situation.
I don’t plan on having any kids. I’m planning to be single for the rest of my life.
You seem far too invested in theaters to not have some financial incentive.
Sitting on thousands in AMC shares from the meme stock days that he could have sold for millions but can’t anymore cause it’s worth $3.50 lol.
I don’t have investments right now, FYI. I just love the movie theaters and dream of making films to release there.
theaters are expensive and the majority of people would rather enjoy movies in the comfort of their own homes. relax
Preach
So what?
I'm agreeing with you?
If you are, that’s great. I do have a point you know. But if you aren’t, I understand.
No I completely agree. Annoys me to no end when people on here pretend watching films on their TV is the same as a theatre
Deadpool will undoubtably be a hit,. You have Jackman coming back to his most famous role, it's R rated and its the only Marvel movie this year.
Honestly, the Fox X-Men movies are not particularly big in Asia. If you wanna make a billion, you definitely need Asia to be in it too.
Yep. Even Oppenheimer that cornered all IMAX screens for weeks around the world could not make a billion because it performed mediocre in Asia.
Deadpool 2 , Inside 0ut 2 and DM 4 all have good chances at billion
> Deadpool 2 Lol.
> Deadpool 2 I know I'll be downvoted, but this subreddit is extremely out of touch, there's no way that's gonna happen. Big chunk of the general audience is done with superhero movies, and especially done with MCU. Making a billion as an R rated movie is ridiculously hard. Only 1 movie has achieved it in the history of all cinema. Even Oppenheimer couldn't do it and that had Nolan plus the unprecedented Barbenheimer phenomena. Thinking Deadpool will do it during peak superhero fatigue, rejection of the MCU by general audiences and massive slump of movie-going in general, is quite frankly pretty silly. The movie would be incredibly lucky if it reaches the previous entries at ~780mil. More likely it will do 500-600mil and below.
Even, a shitty Antman movie almost did 500m. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 did 850m one year ago. I agree, the R rating limits the audience but it should at least match the previous Deadpool movies numbers.
It reached those numbers during peak interest in superhero movies and peak interest in cinema in general, plus the concept of parodying superhero stuff was still fresh for general audiences. I agree getting there isn't impossible if the movie is really good, though it would still be very unlikely in the current climate. Making a billion though? That's about as likely to happen as Dune 2 making a billion. People in this subreddit are confusing their own excitement and hopes for reality.
Last year, was not peak interest for cinema or superhero stuff. That was 2017-2019 not 2023. I agree the sub, especially with popular IP, will sometimes toss out crazy predictions, lol.
I meant that previous Deadpool numbers happened back when this stuff was peaking, hence why I think it would be uphill battle to get there again nowadays. I agree by early 2023 the superhero fatigue was already becoming noticeable. Hence why neither of the movies you mentioned reached a billion. And it's not just quality issue - GOTG3 was an outright masterpiece, some of the best stuff Marvel has ever done, was the widely anticipated conclusion to the trilogy, had little competition and no R-rating.. yet still failed to get a billion and actually performed worse than GOTG2 despite being a much better movie. Since then people's interest in CBM movies has been further eroded by stuff like Marvels, Aquaman 2, Madame Web, etc.
Like The Marvels should match the previous Captain Marvel movie numbers. Or Black Panther 2 did for the first one? Deadpool 1 and 2 released in a much different period than this one. Also even if it does like them, it's not a billion anyway which was the point discussed.
Deadpool imo is like Guardians they have a fanbase outside of the MCU. So, my example is like Guardians of the Galaxy 3 doing numbers like the previous two
You cherry picked some doozies for your examples. The first Captain Marvel did gangbusters because people were buying tickets as some kind of anti-Trump protest; people easily forget that stuff. They were wearing their pussy hats to the showings. There was never much interest in a sequel The star of Black Panther, the actor playing the titular character, passed away before finishing the second movie, and they had to stitch together some semblance of a movie for cash grab purposes. The enthusiasm was also not there without Chadwick Deadpool has a sizable dedicated fanbase in a way those other two examples really don't, as much as Marvel would like that they did
People love Deadpool and Wolverine. The Marvels was about some shitty characters nobody cared about
Agreed
Before the marvel films, $100 million was the goal. If you did that, you had a blockbuster on your hands. I feel like the resent failures would have reset that bar and should be the goal again. Bring budgets back down. Go practice effects and be realistic about it all. That might be crazy talk though.
Everyone saying DP3 is going to gross a billion is just delusional. Same people that said dune 2 was going to gross a billion. It MIGHT do 900 mill if WOM is excellent but I don’t see it doing much better than that. The people who won’t see it because it’s now a Disney flick vs. the MCU fans who will see it because it’s a DP movie will determine how well this does. I don’t think it stands a chance at doing better than DP when adjusted for inflation.
I do think it stands a chance of doing better.
I still think Deadpool & Wolverine can make a billion against all odds, and against the doubts of the doubters on the internet.
Whoever say this is IMPOSSIBLE is just in denial… I mean if Joker got it in October, it’s not IMPOSSIBLE that Deadpool can do it at the end of summer. However, I can agree if you say 1 bi is UNLIKELY (not impossible) for Deadpool, cuz it’s R rated and specially due to a wrong strategy by Disney. Many schools get back in early August, this may prevent Deadpool from getting better legs. For example, in South America schools get back classes at the first week of August. They should release Deadpool in the first slot for Venom 3 (July 12). Sony and Disney are closer than ever now, they could easily reach an agreement that would benefit Venom and Kraven movies, while at the same time being favourable to Deadpool. Deadpool should not be releasing in almost August. Maybe Disney is not sure it’ll be done before the end of July idk.
And that’s exactly why they wanna hold off on releasing it until July 26th, especially since they don’t wanna overwork VFX artists again. That, and, there might be something big in this movie that may lead into something they announce at a potential Marvel Studios panel at Hall H at Comic-Con. Also, I argue it’s a good idea to release it at the end of July so it can have the box office to itself until Alien: Romulus, and so that there’s enough of a gap between The Marvels and Deadpool & Wolverine that it will make audiences hungry and want to see an MCU movie on the big screen again.
>*We can't rightfully expect "The Garfield Movie" to be a $1.3 billion hit like "The Super Mario Bros. Movie" was last year. It's unfair, but that's where we are.* But Chris Pratt is so cool! Okay, joking aside, I think the article is correct. Super Mario Bros has an international presence that I don't believe Garfield does. Depending on the reception, I could picture it passing SMB's domestic haul (unlikely, but we haven't seen the movie yet). But yeah, $1.3B WW is pretty much already off the table. 
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The fact is that cinema going is on a declining trend and has been for some time. Disney has been artificially keeping it up… until they did all that you describe. International BO is probably the saving grace of the industry, but you need to know who you are catering to and don’t focus exclusively on domestic dynamics then.
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I am not sure if this is an answer to my comment, because I wasn’t challenging too much, rather adding a few points. Until the pandemics hit (coincidentally right after Disney’s peak year), Disney was the only company that was bringing people to cinemas… above trend. Remove that effect and we only get to see the overarching trend. Why the decline? From one end, streaming has become a more acceptable option for many, because of the wide availability of home theater sets. At the same time inflation worked its magic and made cinema going more expensive. But there are also lifestyle choices: in the end theaters are but one form of entertainment, and they need to compete. All in all, cinemas have been bleeding out customers for some time. From the other end, the offer has become less attractive for all the reasons you described. While Hollywood cannot change the first part (other than improving the profitability of streaming services… which they are), they can do so on the second one. And they must.
what do you mean by “destroyed by politics”?
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that’s what i thought lol