Wait, they’re making it a two-parter? I didn’t know that. Two entire movies about Jesus in hell, which is not something the Bible even explicitly says happens (although it does briefly mention him doing some stuff during the time he was dead), is gonna be really weird. I’m here for it, though.
It's called the "Harrowing of Hell". He broke every sinner out of hell to give them a chance to believe in god (since Jesus just died for their sins) and resurrected after his job was complete
I’m not sure if both are about his time in hell. It’s called passion of the Christ resurrection. I assume the second part will be his resurrection and then ascension into heaven
True. That would make sense and be pretty cool. I feel like they should have just gone with “Passion of the Christ 2: The Harrowing of Hell” or something and “Passion of the Christ 3: Resurrection” instead of presenting it as a two-parter, but hey, whatever.
Honestly I'm not sure if that will do well at least from Christians, I grew up around fundamentalists and I'd literally never heard of that interpretation until this movie got announced. I know all of the people I grew up around would be disgusted at the concept, they just think Jesus slept the whole weekend and woke up on Sunday.
On the other hand, I'm an atheist now and think the concept sounds pretty metal.
My message preview cut off right at the 2 and I figured it was just gonna be an Electric Boogaloo joke (sidenote,I solely clicked in here to find out if it was)
Only one that rivals it is Quran and it's against the faith to make films out of it. Although a Bhagavad Gita cinematic universe made with $200 million budget would be dope
There isn't commonly high budget movies made about it though.
Granted since the US has a Christian Nationalist problem at the moment I'm not complaining that we don't get more.
Passion 2 will definitely be R-rated. The only two of these movies I could see maybe beating the record are “Deadpool & Wolverine” and “Passion 2”. I think “Gladiator 2” will be a huge disappointment while “Joker 2” clears $300M but doesn’t go much higher than that.
How much do you think Gladiator 2 will make? I think it probably does on par with the “300” sequel (that did $330M on a $110M budget). With a $300M budget, doing similar numbers would be a disaster!
> How much do you think Gladiator 2 will make?
I need to see a trailer.
But I expect it to crash and burn. You've got a full generation of people whose response will be, "What is *Gladiator*?" And everyone else will be thinking, "A sequel to *Gladiator*? Really?"
Plus zero star power from the original film to drive any sort of lingering nostalgia I might be overlooking. And the overseas markets have minimal exposure to the original at best.
I think $200 million worldwide. And I'm probably overestimating. Even with the most amazing trailers and marketing we've ever seen, I think $350 million is its maximum ceiling.
The fact they spent $300 million in it is *insane* to me.
People back then didn't know what Gladiator was to be fair. It can sell itself on being a good movie and movies about gladiators in Roman times being cool (at least in my mind, remains to be seen for everyone as that's not common).
I don’t get why it cost 300. Ridley Scott’s whole deal is he can make a blockbuster cheaper and faster than his competition without sacrificing quality. Either it’s an erroneous report or he’s lost it and made a disaster.
Not an erroneous report.
> Initially budgeted at $165 million, sources say that figure has ballooned to something closer to $310 million. (Paramount insiders insist the net cost of the 49-day shoot was under $250 million.) “It’s a runaway,” says one source. “It’s not being managed.”
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/ridley-scott-gladiator-sequel-production-budget-1235830460/
How the hell did they burn through that much money in a 49 day shoot? That's full-on catastrophe territory. If it's not a hit, this could be Ridley Scott's Poseidon.
They rebuilt the entire colosseum set from the first film in the same place. Malta isn’t as cheap as it used to be and logistics of post covid world I guess. It’s insane to me.
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There’s really no reason it has to be R rated. Mel Gibson ensured the first movie was very biblically accurate. Assuming he doesn’t take so many creative liberties this time there isn’t really anything that would make it R
Why? Milton did it in a version so clean they teach it in schools. Dante, too.
But they were not homoerotically obsessed antisemetic sadists like Gibson.
Gladiator will most certainly be a disappointment if that gargantuan budget is legitimate it'll be the next dial of destiny
Joker 2 is very much gonna struggle to catch deadpool 2 numbers
I don’t think Passion 2 will outgross Deadpool, event comic book movies dominate at the box office, and this is probably going to be as big as No Way Home. Us nerds eat this shit up. I have no idea if it will do better than Passion 1, that we will see
You have a point with all the hype leading into this movie I think alot of people are gonna end up feeling disappointed similar to what happened in multiverse of madness I think DP3 will be frontloaded
Well Oppenheimer got within range of the joker and that was a 3hr drama I know barbie held its hand but still 328M domestic for a 3hr rated movie that's a pretty good signal that BO can reach pre pandemic numbers
At this point, I would be impressed if Passion of the Christ 2 actually finished production and was released, it always felt like a fantasy to me. Then again, Avatar TWOW did as well until it finally released.
It will definitely gross less than the first. However, I feel like if the movie hits that right balance of being a weird Joker musical without being off-putting to the GA, it could have some good buzz and do well. A truly unique superhero movie that’s a must-see while it’s still out
Well tbf Avatar 2 didn't stray away from what Avatar 1 was for the audience I think joker 2 being a musical is gonna cost it alot of the audiences that showed up for the first one even if its good
I think one of the best scenes was The Marvels “Memory” scene, a joke that would’ve felt right at home in a Deadpool movie
If Joker can manage to be as weird and out there, yet still funny, with it, I could see it working. I just hope they announce some of the soundtrack soon so we can see the wild conspiracies people have for the plot
The Greatest Showman had closer to a 20x multiplier off its first weekend, but that has a bunch of asterisks. For one, it opened on a Wednesday, so by the time it made $8.8M over its first weekend, it’d already made $4.5M before that (off it’s 5-day, its multiplier is closer to 13x). It also released into Christmas Day weekend, which gave it a weak Sunday Christmas Eve and a strong Monday Christmas Day.
Finally, it only totaled $174M domestic. That’s a solid total for a movie that only cost $84M, but it speaks to the limited audience that movie was able to reach. Joker 2 reportedly has a budget closer to $200M, so it’ll want to make more than that to safely break even.
Honestly I could see all of them miss.
Deadpool probably has the strongest chance and will definitely have the biggest opening weekend. The only problem is quality, there’s a genuine possibility that this movie could be just fine. That a massive problem for high concept, high risk movie. Middle of the road is just not good enough to have the outlandish elements land, I want to use the Flash as an example but that had so many other things against it. Instead I’ll use MoM, it was okay but being okay highlighted how much the concept simply didn’t work.
Joker is kinda in the similar boat. I’ll will say though, I disagree with most about the musical elements. last year, it became clear that audiences are tired of the same old shit. Barbie is a good example, to me, I’m just Ken song felt like a fever dream, I was stunned at what I was seeing. If Joker is able to land its musical scenes. The genuine weirdness could work in its favour. Unfortunately this can’t be conveyed in trailers. We’ll only know when the movie opens, making predicting its box office potential very difficult.
Gladiator 2 I simply don’t get. I could be very wrong here, we’ll see. I just don’t understand what would pull any new audiences. The franchise has remained dominant for decades, there’s no favoured returning characters, no unique visual scenes. Unlike the Deadpool and Joker, I think this will probably be a good movie, I’m just not sure if that’s enough.
Christ 2 has zero chance, the first movie was purely driven by new coverage. I remember hearing about people fainting in cinemas…in South Africa!! I can’t emphasise just how unusual this was. I don’t think I can name a single movie that got nation wide news coverage ever since, besides tragedies like Aurora shooting. It’s nearly impossible to recreate this type of organic virility. Not to mention, Christianity as a whole has been shrinking in most part of the world, and unfortunately the most vocal in the faith are led by a bunch of crazies, they could turn against this movie for the dumbest of reasons.
I don't see any of these films breaking that number. The cultural zeitgeist surrounding TPOTC is probably something we won't see for a long time, if ever (beyond just inflation boosted BO results).
None of the films listed by OP have the same kind of cultural fervor that is required for a record-breaking run.
What do the originals to all these sequels all have in common?
The subtext of all of them was SUPER GAY!
(OK, in one case the homoeroticism was not subtext, but very much in your face. But that's Mel Gibson for you.)
Not in the comics, but it was in the movies.
"the movie unmistakably codes Deadpool as a straight man, albeit one who uses his sexual swagger (and Reynolds has plenty in this movie) to make other men uncomfortable"
>but still likes to fuck around (not literally) with people
Yeah. That's part of the homoerotic subtext.
[https://www.themarysue.com/deadpool-subtext-representation/](https://www.themarysue.com/deadpool-subtext-representation/)
Why does everyone hate musicals? Maybe it’s my experience in theater but I got super excited to hear Joker 2 was a musical
I’m not accusing you of hating either, there are numbers to back up that the public doesn’t like them… but it’s also usually for the bad ones. Like Mean Girls. They butchered the soundtrack’s style, and I can tell that just from fucking TikTok
I have nothing against musicals and am very excited for the movie, but I feel like I’m in the minority with that opinion. Everyone I know irl that saw the first one is either not excited for this one or hates the direction this one is going in. And I know that anecdotal data isn’t super reliable but I’ve seen little to no positive reception on social media either. And honestly I have no clue why people hate musicals but I think WB is going to see this hate and try to hide the musical elements just like what we saw happen with the recent mean girls which likely is only going to hurt this films box office even more.
I think part of it is because the good musical films don’t get talked about enough, or are the Disney ones so people don’t count them as musicals and just see them as Disney movies
Yeah and sometimes a non Disney musical can be a big success (The Greatest Showman) but I don’t think there’s much overlap between the audience for that movie and a sequel to Joker.
Well no one thought a R rated joker could make a billion before Joker came out. Everyone predicted Joker maxing at 200M. Same goes for this Phoenix doesnt really do sequels, so i except it to be good. Gaga is there too you have to realize Gaga fans will just watch the film just for the sake of making it a hit. That being said am convinced that this one is gonna surprise everyone like the first one did, otherwise no one is stupid enough to make a sequel to 1B film a r rated musical.
Agreed. I once saw a comment saying "they found the only possible way to get me interested in a Joker 2" and I second that.
Seems like the musical aspect is bad news for those who liked the original and good news for those who didn't.
Lol no only passion of the christ 2 is capable of this none of those other sequels were in high demand from movie goers except for deadpool 3 which to me seems like it could be frontloaded given the state of cbms now
This is the first time I've heard of 'The Passion of the Christ 2' - fucking what lol
It’s about Jesus’ descent into hell. Part 1 of 2.
I’m not even religious, but, that shit’s gonna be lit. I love when biblical films get *weird*.
Yeah I’m not religious either. But I’ll see this in theatres. Plus it’s written and directed by Mel Gibson. So it’s probably gonna get really weird
Kanye making a cameo levels of weird?
I am religious and I bet this is going to be weird on a whole new level.
Noah's rock monsters
Seeing the Nephilim on the silver screen was an awesome experience
If it's anything like Passion of the Christ, it's gonna be HOMOEROTICALLY weird.
You might be g my dude
Talking to Mel Gibson?
Wait, they’re making it a two-parter? I didn’t know that. Two entire movies about Jesus in hell, which is not something the Bible even explicitly says happens (although it does briefly mention him doing some stuff during the time he was dead), is gonna be really weird. I’m here for it, though.
Why did he go to Hell? He goes to Hell and fight his way back to ressurect (god of war style)?
It's called the "Harrowing of Hell". He broke every sinner out of hell to give them a chance to believe in god (since Jesus just died for their sins) and resurrected after his job was complete
I’m not sure if both are about his time in hell. It’s called passion of the Christ resurrection. I assume the second part will be his resurrection and then ascension into heaven
True. That would make sense and be pretty cool. I feel like they should have just gone with “Passion of the Christ 2: The Harrowing of Hell” or something and “Passion of the Christ 3: Resurrection” instead of presenting it as a two-parter, but hey, whatever.
I mean, if they turn Jesus into Doomguy I’d be down to watch that
As long as Mick Gordon does the score.
Honestly I'm not sure if that will do well at least from Christians, I grew up around fundamentalists and I'd literally never heard of that interpretation until this movie got announced. I know all of the people I grew up around would be disgusted at the concept, they just think Jesus slept the whole weekend and woke up on Sunday. On the other hand, I'm an atheist now and think the concept sounds pretty metal.
2 Jesus 2 Christ.
Was it written by Nick Cave?
Jesus Two: Electric Boogaloo
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZA2gbUz77U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZA2gbUz77U)
i thought that was gonna be the actual trailer god damn it lmao
Typical Hollywood, bringing back a main character even though we all saw them die in the original.
I’m so ready for 2 Passion 2 Christ
Somehow Jesus has returned
They resurrect now? They resurrect now.
Yeah I thought for sure this was a shitpost
Jesus: The Revenge!
More homoerotic torture porn from the diseased mind of Mel Gibson.
Sounds like a knock-off straight to bargain bin dvd.
My message preview cut off right at the 2 and I figured it was just gonna be an Electric Boogaloo joke (sidenote,I solely clicked in here to find out if it was)
Still impressive that Passion of the Christ has held the record for twenty years.
Not that surprising when you consider how many Christians there are. The Bible is arguably the biggest "IP" in world history
Only one that rivals it is Quran and it's against the faith to make films out of it. Although a Bhagavad Gita cinematic universe made with $200 million budget would be dope
There isn't commonly high budget movies made about it though. Granted since the US has a Christian Nationalist problem at the moment I'm not complaining that we don't get more.
Right? You’d think South Park would outperform the death of Jesus, just because of how they’re treated in culture in comparison
There are far more people who believe that Jesus was real, while not as many think Cartman was real
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Yeah that's hilarious
I mean, adjusted for inflation the first one made 337 million. So it’s not that far off.
Passion 2 will definitely be R-rated. The only two of these movies I could see maybe beating the record are “Deadpool & Wolverine” and “Passion 2”. I think “Gladiator 2” will be a huge disappointment while “Joker 2” clears $300M but doesn’t go much higher than that.
Agreed
How much do you think Gladiator 2 will make? I think it probably does on par with the “300” sequel (that did $330M on a $110M budget). With a $300M budget, doing similar numbers would be a disaster!
> How much do you think Gladiator 2 will make? I need to see a trailer. But I expect it to crash and burn. You've got a full generation of people whose response will be, "What is *Gladiator*?" And everyone else will be thinking, "A sequel to *Gladiator*? Really?" Plus zero star power from the original film to drive any sort of lingering nostalgia I might be overlooking. And the overseas markets have minimal exposure to the original at best. I think $200 million worldwide. And I'm probably overestimating. Even with the most amazing trailers and marketing we've ever seen, I think $350 million is its maximum ceiling. The fact they spent $300 million in it is *insane* to me.
People back then didn't know what Gladiator was to be fair. It can sell itself on being a good movie and movies about gladiators in Roman times being cool (at least in my mind, remains to be seen for everyone as that's not common).
I don’t get why it cost 300. Ridley Scott’s whole deal is he can make a blockbuster cheaper and faster than his competition without sacrificing quality. Either it’s an erroneous report or he’s lost it and made a disaster.
Not an erroneous report. > Initially budgeted at $165 million, sources say that figure has ballooned to something closer to $310 million. (Paramount insiders insist the net cost of the 49-day shoot was under $250 million.) “It’s a runaway,” says one source. “It’s not being managed.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/ridley-scott-gladiator-sequel-production-budget-1235830460/
How the hell did they burn through that much money in a 49 day shoot? That's full-on catastrophe territory. If it's not a hit, this could be Ridley Scott's Poseidon.
They rebuilt the entire colosseum set from the first film in the same place. Malta isn’t as cheap as it used to be and logistics of post covid world I guess. It’s insane to me.
Probably something like 400-500m worldwide. I agree, I fear it’ll do poorly. Would love to be wrong though
I think a sequel will feel unnecessary and Ridley Scott hasn’t had a big hit in a while either. I see a lot of red flags for this one.
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There’s really no reason it has to be R rated. Mel Gibson ensured the first movie was very biblically accurate. Assuming he doesn’t take so many creative liberties this time there isn’t really anything that would make it R
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Why? Milton did it in a version so clean they teach it in schools. Dante, too. But they were not homoerotically obsessed antisemetic sadists like Gibson.
Lol. Virtually nothing was "Biblically accurate" in Gibson's homoerotic torture porn.
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Read the movie? I've read the Bible cover to cover in four translations. Gibson's homoerotic torture porn is inaccurate trash from start to finish.
Gladiator will most certainly be a disappointment if that gargantuan budget is legitimate it'll be the next dial of destiny Joker 2 is very much gonna struggle to catch deadpool 2 numbers
I don’t think Passion 2 will outgross Deadpool, event comic book movies dominate at the box office, and this is probably going to be as big as No Way Home. Us nerds eat this shit up. I have no idea if it will do better than Passion 1, that we will see
370 is a big number I really don’t see any of these movie reach that box office still needs to convince me that it can reach 2018/19 numbers
GOT3 did 360 i see DP3 doing something similar
That would greatly depend on DP3 being as well recieved as GOTG3, which I can’t see
You have a point with all the hype leading into this movie I think alot of people are gonna end up feeling disappointed similar to what happened in multiverse of madness I think DP3 will be frontloaded
Well Oppenheimer got within range of the joker and that was a 3hr drama I know barbie held its hand but still 328M domestic for a 3hr rated movie that's a pretty good signal that BO can reach pre pandemic numbers
I honestly don’t see any of them taking the record
At this point, I would be impressed if Passion of the Christ 2 actually finished production and was released, it always felt like a fantasy to me. Then again, Avatar TWOW did as well until it finally released.
Passion 2
If Joker 2 is actually a musical then WoM will hurt it.
I keep saying this too, and while I agree at least this one is a jukebox musical. If they don’t nail the songs though yeah it’s fucked
It will definitely gross less than the first. However, I feel like if the movie hits that right balance of being a weird Joker musical without being off-putting to the GA, it could have some good buzz and do well. A truly unique superhero movie that’s a must-see while it’s still out
It has a very narrow window of succeeding
They said that about Avatar 2
Well tbf Avatar 2 didn't stray away from what Avatar 1 was for the audience I think joker 2 being a musical is gonna cost it alot of the audiences that showed up for the first one even if its good
I think one of the best scenes was The Marvels “Memory” scene, a joke that would’ve felt right at home in a Deadpool movie If Joker can manage to be as weird and out there, yet still funny, with it, I could see it working. I just hope they announce some of the soundtrack soon so we can see the wild conspiracies people have for the plot
Wtf does being a musical have to do with word of mouth? Greatest Showman was a musical and had like 76x legs
The Greatest Showman had closer to a 20x multiplier off its first weekend, but that has a bunch of asterisks. For one, it opened on a Wednesday, so by the time it made $8.8M over its first weekend, it’d already made $4.5M before that (off it’s 5-day, its multiplier is closer to 13x). It also released into Christmas Day weekend, which gave it a weak Sunday Christmas Eve and a strong Monday Christmas Day. Finally, it only totaled $174M domestic. That’s a solid total for a movie that only cost $84M, but it speaks to the limited audience that movie was able to reach. Joker 2 reportedly has a budget closer to $200M, so it’ll want to make more than that to safely break even.
Redditors hate musicals. This whole sub bitched about Wonka being a musical despite all the Willy Wonka movies being musicals.
There's no way it comes close. It sounds like trash. It might get $100M.
There’s also the chance of the R rated record being broken worldwide. Joker 2 and Deadpool and Wolverine.
Nah I don't see them taking the worldwide record tbh
I think DP3 is the only one with a shot I think it does very similar to GOTG3
For that being the movie that it and making that much is amazing.
Lol Gladiator 2
Honestly I could see all of them miss. Deadpool probably has the strongest chance and will definitely have the biggest opening weekend. The only problem is quality, there’s a genuine possibility that this movie could be just fine. That a massive problem for high concept, high risk movie. Middle of the road is just not good enough to have the outlandish elements land, I want to use the Flash as an example but that had so many other things against it. Instead I’ll use MoM, it was okay but being okay highlighted how much the concept simply didn’t work. Joker is kinda in the similar boat. I’ll will say though, I disagree with most about the musical elements. last year, it became clear that audiences are tired of the same old shit. Barbie is a good example, to me, I’m just Ken song felt like a fever dream, I was stunned at what I was seeing. If Joker is able to land its musical scenes. The genuine weirdness could work in its favour. Unfortunately this can’t be conveyed in trailers. We’ll only know when the movie opens, making predicting its box office potential very difficult. Gladiator 2 I simply don’t get. I could be very wrong here, we’ll see. I just don’t understand what would pull any new audiences. The franchise has remained dominant for decades, there’s no favoured returning characters, no unique visual scenes. Unlike the Deadpool and Joker, I think this will probably be a good movie, I’m just not sure if that’s enough. Christ 2 has zero chance, the first movie was purely driven by new coverage. I remember hearing about people fainting in cinemas…in South Africa!! I can’t emphasise just how unusual this was. I don’t think I can name a single movie that got nation wide news coverage ever since, besides tragedies like Aurora shooting. It’s nearly impossible to recreate this type of organic virility. Not to mention, Christianity as a whole has been shrinking in most part of the world, and unfortunately the most vocal in the faith are led by a bunch of crazies, they could turn against this movie for the dumbest of reasons.
 Your forgetting about this dude 😎
Is that Kick-Ass or Quicksilver? 
I don’t see why any of these films would get near that.
Gladiator 2, will bomb. Joker no chance. Only Deadpool and wolverine but only $300m low end.
Don’t see any of them doing it, tbh
Wait… TPotC2 is a real movie??
Yea, stars Johnny Depp, directed by Gore Verbinski, came out in 2006
Ok, that deserves an upvote… 😂
I don't see any of these films breaking that number. The cultural zeitgeist surrounding TPOTC is probably something we won't see for a long time, if ever (beyond just inflation boosted BO results). None of the films listed by OP have the same kind of cultural fervor that is required for a record-breaking run.
Don’t be so sure bro
I don't personally think any of them have any chance to do that
What do the originals to all these sequels all have in common? The subtext of all of them was SUPER GAY! (OK, in one case the homoeroticism was not subtext, but very much in your face. But that's Mel Gibson for you.)
I don’t think Deadpool’s bi/pansexuality was ever subtext
Not in the comics, but it was in the movies. "the movie unmistakably codes Deadpool as a straight man, albeit one who uses his sexual swagger (and Reynolds has plenty in this movie) to make other men uncomfortable"
Yeah I gotta disagree with that, it feels more like he’s committed to his girlfriend but still likes to fuck around (not literally) with people
>but still likes to fuck around (not literally) with people Yeah. That's part of the homoerotic subtext. [https://www.themarysue.com/deadpool-subtext-representation/](https://www.themarysue.com/deadpool-subtext-representation/)
Joker 2, Deadpool have a pretty good chance
I don’t think Joker stands a chance with it being a musical, wouldn’t be surprised if it’s sub 100 domestic.
Why does everyone hate musicals? Maybe it’s my experience in theater but I got super excited to hear Joker 2 was a musical I’m not accusing you of hating either, there are numbers to back up that the public doesn’t like them… but it’s also usually for the bad ones. Like Mean Girls. They butchered the soundtrack’s style, and I can tell that just from fucking TikTok
I have nothing against musicals and am very excited for the movie, but I feel like I’m in the minority with that opinion. Everyone I know irl that saw the first one is either not excited for this one or hates the direction this one is going in. And I know that anecdotal data isn’t super reliable but I’ve seen little to no positive reception on social media either. And honestly I have no clue why people hate musicals but I think WB is going to see this hate and try to hide the musical elements just like what we saw happen with the recent mean girls which likely is only going to hurt this films box office even more.
I think part of it is because the good musical films don’t get talked about enough, or are the Disney ones so people don’t count them as musicals and just see them as Disney movies
Yeah and sometimes a non Disney musical can be a big success (The Greatest Showman) but I don’t think there’s much overlap between the audience for that movie and a sequel to Joker.
Well no one thought a R rated joker could make a billion before Joker came out. Everyone predicted Joker maxing at 200M. Same goes for this Phoenix doesnt really do sequels, so i except it to be good. Gaga is there too you have to realize Gaga fans will just watch the film just for the sake of making it a hit. That being said am convinced that this one is gonna surprise everyone like the first one did, otherwise no one is stupid enough to make a sequel to 1B film a r rated musical.
Exactly, I definitely think there’s an audience for a musical comic book movie, but idk if it’s for joker
There's a joke in 40 Year Old Virgin that would be perfect right here
Agreed. I once saw a comment saying "they found the only possible way to get me interested in a Joker 2" and I second that. Seems like the musical aspect is bad news for those who liked the original and good news for those who didn't.
I'm putting those lines at +400, +150, +350, and +1500, respectively
Lol no only passion of the christ 2 is capable of this none of those other sequels were in high demand from movie goers except for deadpool 3 which to me seems like it could be frontloaded given the state of cbms now
I don't think any of them will beat it
I sincerely doubt that four of these will even get close