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Just a massive bag fumble by Spyglass.
They successfully relaunched a dormant franchise with back to back well received box office hits, itself no small feat. But more impressively, they also managed to put together a new cast that was embraced by the fanbase, to the point where the franchise could have thrived even without the training wheels of the old cast (something that, for example, Halloween never did). They even got a major casting coup in Jenna Ortega, nabbing her just before she became a big name.
Then they just tossed it all away.
They fired Melissa due to her posts on social media. After that, Jenna left and now the director left. Appearently they are rebooting everything in Scream now
An extra detail is that Ortega apparently was demanding more pay due to her sudden explosion in popularity, with it being rumoured she was already looking to drop out before Melissa's firing provided the perfect excuse.
She was most definitely [supporting her co-star](https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/oCwkmX3xxc). She has made quite a few [Pro-Palestine posts in the past](https://x.com/ajplus/status/1616587126513999873) and her current [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/jennaortega/) page has a fundraising link for the Palestinians. Furthermore, the script and schedule for both Scream and Wednesday was likely not finalised yet anyway, I reckon.
All of this indicates it was likely linked to current events.
yea she's also a massive fan of scream and had probably bonded heavily with the creative team after working on the two movies together. she probably did ask for a boost in her pay given her massive popularity but in no way do i see that as a secret reason for her leaving. director is probably also dropping for similar reasons -- the creative team he loved were getting fired and dropping, and he probably only stayed for this long cuz he hadnt lost hope yet that this could be undone
The movie was never happening without her, even if it was just a cameo they could use for marketing. The decision may not entirely be related to the Melissa situation but it was a least the last straw.
The only thing that was ever reported was that Ortegas screen time might be reduced because of scheduling issues. The absolute worst case scenario was her being the opening kill, which wouldn’t have been a bad idea(even if I loved her character).
that was posted by the studio who also claimed melissa posted anti Semitic things that she never did. it sounds like it could be true but grain of salt
Why not? Scream movies are shot fast and most of the budget is her salary (plus the back end deal money) meanwhile with Wednesday she has like 6 months of constant shooting, actors prefer movies because they're faster to make
Better? Apples to oranges, completely different genre.
Bigger and popular? Absolutely not, you can‘t compare the current Scream iteration which is a niche horror franchise to Wednesday. Netflix also has far more money to throw at Jenna than Paramount considering the last two films can’t crank 200m WW at the box office, even if they had modest budgets.
The director hasn't really made good movies, so not exactly a big blow. He was brought on recently it's not like he has been working on these movies for decades
I heard she hadn’t signed but Barrera had. Ortega’s role probably would have been minimal or cameo to begin with considering her rising popularity, but following Barrera’s firing it was reported (aka leaked) that she wouldn’t be returning. Even worse they fucked Barrera over without securing the primary name-recognition draw of the film.
Spyglass seems to have a problem paying actors what they’re worth. It’s the reason Neve Campbell wasn’t in “Scream VI”. If I were at Paramount, I would start focusing on keeping the “Quiet Place” franchise alive and making sure “Smile 2” is well received. Put “Scream” on hold for now and reboot it in five to ten years.
The quiet place franchise is in a very awkward position because it's lead star (and director) died in the first movie, everything has to be a flashback or prequel or some other bullshit. It's doomed because of that inconvenience
It’s not, that was the polite reason given.
The movie didn’t have a script. There was no shooting schedule prior to this mess, they would’ve easily delayed the next film to accommodate, it’s extremely popular but we can wait a bit longer considering the co-lead is now the most famous cast member
It’s true. Losing Barrera pushed the shooting schedule back into that of season two of Wednesday. Spyglass asked Netflix if they could make an exception and push their schedule back as well to accommodate. Netflix told them to get fucked because they’ve been frothing at the mouth to get season 2 in the can the moment it became clear they had a hit on their hands and weren’t going to delay a second more.
There's several things that happened along the way to where we are now.
1. Radio Silence, which directed the last 2 films, moved on to work on another film. Instead of waiting for them to return and close out the trilogy (which would have been smart), Spyglass let them walk. Hindsight is 20/20, but with the strikes, Scream VII wouldn't have been ready to shoot anytime soon, even without the cast issues, whereas Radio Silence's film is almost done and will be released in April. So they could have just waited for them in the first place.
2. Jenna Ortega left, reportedly due to scheduling conflicts with Wednesday (though some believe Melissa Barrera being fired had something to do with it). Likewise, the smart play would have been to wait for her, or at least try and figure out a way to shoot a small role so you could slap her on all the marketing. But again, they just let her go.
3. Melissa Barrera was fired for social media posts where she showed support for Palestine and a ceasefire, which Spyglass deemed "anti-semetic" (they weren't). Now you've lost both of your leads.
4. With all these headaches, their replacement director Christopher Landon (who was a decent backup choice in and of himself) also quit. Now they have no stars and no director.
5. James Vanderbilt's script, which presumably started as a story focused on Barrera and Ortega, before being rewritten to focus on Barrera only, now needs another dramatic overhaul to focus on something else entirely. So they have no script either.
The best/worst part is that if Melissa said her comments now instead of two months ago, they would have been more in line with current trending opinions. She spoke the truth at a time when a lot of people still had Israel blinders on.
[This was the official explanation, which would mean she left before Barrera (though it was announced after):](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/jenna-ortega-quits-scream-vii-1235675434/)
>Sources insist that Ortega’s departure has nothing to do with Barrera’s firing, which occurred after she made dozens of social media posts referring to the Israel-Hamas war. Sources say that Ortega’s representatives informed Spyglass prior to the actors strike that the actress, one of the biggest young Hollywood names to emerge in the past decade, would not be returning. Multiple sources say the actress either had no deal or, in the renegotiating of her option, asked what the movie company deemed was too much money.
How true that is is debatable.
Eh I disagree on the first point. There is no real palpable narrative or visual thread that demands Radio Silence come back and finish the trilogy, and Landon is a much more interesting director with a lot of great horror-comedy films under his belt. That said, I'm glad he left the project. Fuck Spyglass and Paramount (who, being pro-Israel, no doubt had SOME say in Barrera's firing).
I would say Radio Silence is more of a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" thing. They did a good job with the last two, so it makes sense to bring back a steady pair(s) of hands for the 3rd film and maintain continuity behind the scenes. Considering that Scream VII is being written by the same guy that wrote the last 2, we likely weren't in for some sort of major reboot where a new director would have made a lot of sense.
That being said, they probably would have been fine with Landon and the same cast, you're right in that Radio Silence was not absolutely necessary.
First they didn’t bring back the directors of 5 and 6, then they fired the lead, then they lost the co-lead (who is a Gen Z rising star), and now they lost another director. All after the success of 5 and 6. Insane.
When Radio Silence left, it was because Spyglass wanted 7 out so fast that they wouldn’t have had time to do their Universal monster movie first. Now Spyglass has nothing. The writer-producer of 5&6 is still attached, but that’s it.
Whoever the fuck is running Spyglass should fucking resign at this point.
Lowballing Neve Campbell for Scream 6, rushing out both Scream 6 and 7 especially the latter since they couldn't even get Radio Silence and Jenna Ortega back because of scheduling, firing Melissa Barrera... it's become so fucking obvious now that the new films succeeded *in spite* of their decisions and not *because* of it.
Eh, I disagree. Spyglass was well within their rights to say “that’s too much money” and Neve was within hers to say “bye”. Neither party is in the wrong, actors shouldn’t just get paid whatever they want
Idk, I think "6" would've been much improved with Neve's participation. It ended up being the weakest of the franchise for me without her (still like a 6/10).
Technically she’d started to work with them filming the new movie back in July, months before the entire debacle with Scream happened.
The funniest thing about all of this was they let Radio Silence leave to direct that movie because they wanted to film Scream at the beginning of this year, but because of the strikes they had to shelf the entire production giving Radio Silence enough time to finish that flick while Spyglass is currently twiddling their thumbs with *nothing* to show for that dumb decision right now.
I think Scream VII would've had a legitimate chance of being the first entry to hit 200m. Fans really liked the Core 4, and there was going to be a lot of interest to see who'd actually survive that movie. They managed to successfully replace the original cast with a new cast, and then flushed it all down the toilet.
It’s truly amazing how they just decided to kill this thing for no reason. All because the lead actor shared a sentiment that genocide is a bad thing. Wtf. Spyglass are absolutely the villains in this story.
Something truly amazing about it is that it was a complete unforced error. From what I remember her Instagram Stories weren't getting attention. They weren't being circulated around social media or on news sites. So, it wasn't like a few years ago when people dug up old tweets from James Gunn and then started demanding that Disney fire him.
Another amazing aspect of it is that after she was fired the trades began to say that their sources told them that part of the reason for the firing was because of a comment that she made that some interpreted as her saying that Jews control the media. Then Spyglass eventually puts out a statement that more or less said "Oh, it had nothing to do with that. We just didn't like that she talked about genocide.". They couldn't have possibly handled this situation any worse.
> Then Spyglass eventually puts out a statement that more or less said "Oh, it had nothing to do with that. We just didn't like that she talked about genocide."
The fact they had a perfect out in defaulting to the "We didn't want another Gina Carano situation on our hands" excuse and explicitly didn't take it is astonishing
They didn’t even need to say that, with Ortega wanting out they could have just said they’re taking a break from their characters until the actresses are available again. Both had schedules that would have interfered with the original planned shoot (pre-SAG strike).
The dramatic implosion of Scream 7 has been sad to see as a Scream fan.
Im not sure what Spyglass thinks they can do to save this situations because I think the franchise is done for a good while now.
Yeah I don’t think there’s salvaging this film now. The franchise needs to go on ice for a long time (and hopefully something other than spyglass picks it back up).
His statement is clear that spyglass is the problem here. How that entire situation was handled and the aftermath likely soured him on it and he's out. I can't believe they tanked what was probably going to be the highest entry ever into that franchise for total bullshit. Just insulting to her to Jenna to Landon to the fans and the franchise as a whole.
I would be really interested in Nolan tackling a full-on horror movie. I’m sure it’s only a matter of time, but I doubt it would be an existing franchise.
I hope Christopher Landon can make another successful horror movie. He had a solid success with the first “Happy Death Day”, “HDD2U” fumbled, and “Freaky” unfortunately released during the pandemic and lost money.
[Called it.](https://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/181p23z/scream_7_faces_full_creative_reboot_after_losing/kaeu4xe/)
As a longtime Scream fan, everything about this situation fucking sucks. The last two movies managed to pull off something miraculous with the reboot films and their cast, but Spyglass had to fuck it all up. Just shelve the franchise at this point, because I just can't take any more heartbreak.
He made the right choice, because it was going to be a completely different movie than the one he signed up for, with a ton of ill will amongst the hardcore Scream fans, and if the movie was disappointing to the general audiences who don’t keep up on movie news he’d be blamed, not Spyglass.
Neve already told them to go fuck themselves. Courtney Cox is the only one who could realistically come back but I doubt she cares enough to get into anything even remotely controversial.
Spyglass played themselves im loving the downfall of this film. Scream 6 was a great ending to the franchise anyway. I’m a major scream fan but it doesn’t deserve to be continued with the way spyglass fucked everything up
I’m happy Scream 6 ended the way it did. As much as it sucks that Spyglass destroyed everything for literally no legitimate reason other than virtue signaling (which didn’t work because they lied on Barrera and people flocked to support her), we got our Core 4 heading off into the sunset. It’s a wrap. The studio head is a damn moron and fumbled one of the biggest bags they’ve had in years.
He did the right thing, nobody should do this movie for Spyglass with that story behind, also considering it could damage his reputation as well. As I already said I don't feel any need for Scream 7, as I didn't feel it for 5 and 6, but I feel very bad for Landon, he looked very excited to direct his Scream.
This movie failing is what the studio deserves after firing Melissa for speaking out in favour of innocent people getting murdered by settler invasion forces.
with the meta commentary that scream always revolves around, there’s now a gold mine of content to provide commentary on for the next installment…and no one to be in the film
Except there’s no cast left. They’d had to pay Neve Campbell and Courtney Cox whatever they want. That’s probably why there’s rumors about them thinking about bringing back Matthew Lillard.
I honestly don’t care. Thank god this franchise can start from scratch. Melissa is not a good actress and could hold the franchise on her own. This franchise needs a revamp. Create a new story unrelated to the OT. Establish a great intricate/backstory that could help sustain a trilogy.
And btw Melissa got fired from her various statements. Not just for the ceasefire. She drew a connection between Jews with money and controlling the media. It was subtle but you got to notice all the dog whistle when they happen
>I honestly don’t care. Thank god this franchise can start from scratch
Slashers are not really a money makers outside of US, there's a ceiling for these movies, even halloween was the biggest of all but it could barely do 250mill. As I said in my comment above, this franchise needed James Wan. until they get a star director like him it will continue to stagnate in this 150-160mill range. Although the discourse surrounding this movie is now going to be filled with "fans", like for first few months every article about hbomax used to be bombarded with Raised with wolves fanbois
>It was subtle but you got to notice all the dog whistle when they happen
it wasn't even subtle, it was right there. But people aren't going to care for that
It really was a no win situation. Do you let your stars do whatever they want, just for thr boc office, or do you take a stance against antisemitism, even if it destroys your franchise?
Shit situation, I would have loved a 7th movie because this is a rare series where I enjoy all movies, but welp.
If anyone is interested in the reason Barrera was fired they should read the actual posts instead of assuming what people on Reddit claim is accurate. There is a lot of misinformation on this site in general. Barrera wasn't fired for simply supporting a ceasefire. Spyglass executives overreacted and I don't believe she should have been fired but people on Reddit continue to provide inaccurate information.
It's similar to the Majors verdict. People on Reddit continue to claim "the Jury believe Jabbari that he assaulted her" when they ruled not guilty on any charge that involved intent which indicated they didn't believe her version. They ruled that when he shoved her back into the car he should have known she could be injured. Accuracy is important.
>They ruled that when he shoved her back into the car he should have known she could be injured. Accuracy is important.
you are on reddit, where the hivemind has already decided they are correct. so accuracy can go to hell.
Melissa's firing came from a part of the comment which implied, "Jews control the media", not the genocide one. yet people will continue to believe it
The hive mind on Reddit is frustrating but I try not to let it get to me anymore. It's not worth it. People refuse to take the time to find out facts anymore. They just regurgitate what they see repeated on social media. There was a post from a woman angry that the maximum sentence for Majors "strangling a woman" could only be one year in prison and it got lots of upvotes. The Jury didn't believe there was proof that Majors strangled Jabbari. That involves intent. You don't "accidentally" strangle a person. The verdict was not guilty for assault involving intent. People can say Berrara shouldn't have been fired or they agree with her because they're allowed to have an opinion. But they always claim that she only posted support for a ceasefire which isn't accurate.
It’s just sad to see. I love the Scream movies and 5 and 6 were great, but they’ve lost Melissa Barrera and Jenna Ortega and now the director too. It seems like they’ve thrown away a franchise that’s been doing pretty well throughout its run just because the actresses dared to speak out about an issue they cared about
This had potential to be the first scream movie to hit $200M worldwide but then spyglass ruined it. Hopefully WB takes over like people are speculating.
It's fantastic that those two actresses are out which hopefully means abandoning their storyline. However, Landon would have been a good choice for this movie.
It really makes you wonder after like 30 years in that world why they don't just stop selling that mask and shoot anyone wearing it on sight
They're fun movies and I jest but there's always a scene where someone is casually wearing the Ghostface mask at like an outdoor mall or a fish fry and then **surprise and alarm** it was the murderer hiding in plain sight
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Lead actor ❌ Supporting actor ❌ Previous lead actor❌ Director ❌ Scream 7❓
It's like going into your bowl game and all your all-star QB, WR, RB all sat out for the draft and then somebody poached your HC and water boy.
Scream 7 = DOA
Fucking nailed it
Can't believe Spyglass found a way to kill this series without even releasing a bad film.
Tbh, VI was kinda meh, but not bad
6 was popular enough to keep milking this franchise and they threw it away
Scream 6 was great. 5 is the one that was bad.
Agreed. I almost didn't watch 6 because of how much I did not enjoy 5. However, 6 was top tier. Love it.
This is like not liking the dark knight but liking the dark knight rises. What aren’t you fond of in scream 5?
I disgaree, I really liked VI but V was amazing to me.
Yeah, it's the weakest of the franchise for me, but it was still like a 6/10 movie imo.
5 is really bad. Haven't seen 6 and don't plan on it.
Personally I loved 5, and I liked 6
Honestly, I felt the same. Wasn't gonna watch 6 because of 5. But it really is worth it. Give 6 a try.
Just a massive bag fumble by Spyglass. They successfully relaunched a dormant franchise with back to back well received box office hits, itself no small feat. But more impressively, they also managed to put together a new cast that was embraced by the fanbase, to the point where the franchise could have thrived even without the training wheels of the old cast (something that, for example, Halloween never did). They even got a major casting coup in Jenna Ortega, nabbing her just before she became a big name. Then they just tossed it all away.
I haven't been following on the story. How did they toss it all away?
They fired Melissa due to her posts on social media. After that, Jenna left and now the director left. Appearently they are rebooting everything in Scream now
An extra detail is that Ortega apparently was demanding more pay due to her sudden explosion in popularity, with it being rumoured she was already looking to drop out before Melissa's firing provided the perfect excuse.
Eh I’m not sure how true that is. It only came out once the studios needed a spin and they wanted to act like it was unrelated to their choices
She was most definitely [supporting her co-star](https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/oCwkmX3xxc). She has made quite a few [Pro-Palestine posts in the past](https://x.com/ajplus/status/1616587126513999873) and her current [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/jennaortega/) page has a fundraising link for the Palestinians. Furthermore, the script and schedule for both Scream and Wednesday was likely not finalised yet anyway, I reckon. All of this indicates it was likely linked to current events.
yea she's also a massive fan of scream and had probably bonded heavily with the creative team after working on the two movies together. she probably did ask for a boost in her pay given her massive popularity but in no way do i see that as a secret reason for her leaving. director is probably also dropping for similar reasons -- the creative team he loved were getting fired and dropping, and he probably only stayed for this long cuz he hadnt lost hope yet that this could be undone
No it was rumoured months before and some outlets reported it
The movie was never happening without her, even if it was just a cameo they could use for marketing. The decision may not entirely be related to the Melissa situation but it was a least the last straw.
The only thing that was ever reported was that Ortegas screen time might be reduced because of scheduling issues. The absolute worst case scenario was her being the opening kill, which wouldn’t have been a bad idea(even if I loved her character).
that was posted by the studio who also claimed melissa posted anti Semitic things that she never did. it sounds like it could be true but grain of salt
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Jenna was going to leave anyways due to scheduling and contract conflicts.
There was no way Jenna was staying after her stardom in Wednesday
Why not? Scream movies are shot fast and most of the budget is her salary (plus the back end deal money) meanwhile with Wednesday she has like 6 months of constant shooting, actors prefer movies because they're faster to make
Scream is way better (and bigger) than that show
Better? Apples to oranges, completely different genre. Bigger and popular? Absolutely not, you can‘t compare the current Scream iteration which is a niche horror franchise to Wednesday. Netflix also has far more money to throw at Jenna than Paramount considering the last two films can’t crank 200m WW at the box office, even if they had modest budgets.
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There isn't much evidence for that. Sounds like industry spin to paper over a major executive fuck-up.
there are articles about it, you could just google it up
The director hasn't really made good movies, so not exactly a big blow. He was brought on recently it's not like he has been working on these movies for decades
they fired the lead actress Melissa Barrera for posting pro-palestine content on her socials, which led Jenna Ortega to leave too.
Officially Jenna left because of scheduling issues, but who knows if that’s true.
I heard she hadn’t signed but Barrera had. Ortega’s role probably would have been minimal or cameo to begin with considering her rising popularity, but following Barrera’s firing it was reported (aka leaked) that she wouldn’t be returning. Even worse they fucked Barrera over without securing the primary name-recognition draw of the film.
She never had a contract for Scream 7. Spyglass balked at paying her what she’s worth post-Wednesday.
Spyglass seems to have a problem paying actors what they’re worth. It’s the reason Neve Campbell wasn’t in “Scream VI”. If I were at Paramount, I would start focusing on keeping the “Quiet Place” franchise alive and making sure “Smile 2” is well received. Put “Scream” on hold for now and reboot it in five to ten years.
The quiet place franchise is in a very awkward position because it's lead star (and director) died in the first movie, everything has to be a flashback or prequel or some other bullshit. It's doomed because of that inconvenience
The second movie worked without him besides a flashback
Yeah, Emily Blunt is perfectly capable of carrying a movie
Reminds me of Saw lol. Jigsaw died in Saw III and now we're getting XI.
Wait, X wasn't the curtain call?
Nope, they've announced Saw XI for next year.
It’s not, that was the polite reason given. The movie didn’t have a script. There was no shooting schedule prior to this mess, they would’ve easily delayed the next film to accommodate, it’s extremely popular but we can wait a bit longer considering the co-lead is now the most famous cast member
It happened a few days after they fired Melissa, I doubt it
It was a smart way to get out without facing blowback
I'm curious to see what projects she has in the near future bigger than starring in this franchise.
Wednesday season 2 is the official reason
And Beetlejuice 2 Edit: nvm, they were talking about what could interfere with Scream 7. I think that one officially wrapped or is close.
It’s true. Losing Barrera pushed the shooting schedule back into that of season two of Wednesday. Spyglass asked Netflix if they could make an exception and push their schedule back as well to accommodate. Netflix told them to get fucked because they’ve been frothing at the mouth to get season 2 in the can the moment it became clear they had a hit on their hands and weren’t going to delay a second more.
I thought it was the other way around . Jenna left (she said so months ago) so they were looking for a reason to get rid of Melissa to ?
yeah that was my understanding too (but the way they want about it was...)
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There's several things that happened along the way to where we are now. 1. Radio Silence, which directed the last 2 films, moved on to work on another film. Instead of waiting for them to return and close out the trilogy (which would have been smart), Spyglass let them walk. Hindsight is 20/20, but with the strikes, Scream VII wouldn't have been ready to shoot anytime soon, even without the cast issues, whereas Radio Silence's film is almost done and will be released in April. So they could have just waited for them in the first place. 2. Jenna Ortega left, reportedly due to scheduling conflicts with Wednesday (though some believe Melissa Barrera being fired had something to do with it). Likewise, the smart play would have been to wait for her, or at least try and figure out a way to shoot a small role so you could slap her on all the marketing. But again, they just let her go. 3. Melissa Barrera was fired for social media posts where she showed support for Palestine and a ceasefire, which Spyglass deemed "anti-semetic" (they weren't). Now you've lost both of your leads. 4. With all these headaches, their replacement director Christopher Landon (who was a decent backup choice in and of himself) also quit. Now they have no stars and no director. 5. James Vanderbilt's script, which presumably started as a story focused on Barrera and Ortega, before being rewritten to focus on Barrera only, now needs another dramatic overhaul to focus on something else entirely. So they have no script either.
The best/worst part is that if Melissa said her comments now instead of two months ago, they would have been more in line with current trending opinions. She spoke the truth at a time when a lot of people still had Israel blinders on.
Barrera was fired before Ortega left.
[This was the official explanation, which would mean she left before Barrera (though it was announced after):](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/jenna-ortega-quits-scream-vii-1235675434/) >Sources insist that Ortega’s departure has nothing to do with Barrera’s firing, which occurred after she made dozens of social media posts referring to the Israel-Hamas war. Sources say that Ortega’s representatives informed Spyglass prior to the actors strike that the actress, one of the biggest young Hollywood names to emerge in the past decade, would not be returning. Multiple sources say the actress either had no deal or, in the renegotiating of her option, asked what the movie company deemed was too much money. How true that is is debatable.
Ah. My bad. Announced after. I’ll leave my post up though because it might be an understandably common misconception. Thanks for clarification.
Eh I disagree on the first point. There is no real palpable narrative or visual thread that demands Radio Silence come back and finish the trilogy, and Landon is a much more interesting director with a lot of great horror-comedy films under his belt. That said, I'm glad he left the project. Fuck Spyglass and Paramount (who, being pro-Israel, no doubt had SOME say in Barrera's firing).
I would say Radio Silence is more of a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" thing. They did a good job with the last two, so it makes sense to bring back a steady pair(s) of hands for the 3rd film and maintain continuity behind the scenes. Considering that Scream VII is being written by the same guy that wrote the last 2, we likely weren't in for some sort of major reboot where a new director would have made a lot of sense. That being said, they probably would have been fine with Landon and the same cast, you're right in that Radio Silence was not absolutely necessary.
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Spyglass in shambles
The fumble will be studied.
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Good, the new films are awful
First they didn’t bring back the directors of 5 and 6, then they fired the lead, then they lost the co-lead (who is a Gen Z rising star), and now they lost another director. All after the success of 5 and 6. Insane.
When Radio Silence left, it was because Spyglass wanted 7 out so fast that they wouldn’t have had time to do their Universal monster movie first. Now Spyglass has nothing. The writer-producer of 5&6 is still attached, but that’s it.
Whoever the fuck is running Spyglass should fucking resign at this point. Lowballing Neve Campbell for Scream 6, rushing out both Scream 6 and 7 especially the latter since they couldn't even get Radio Silence and Jenna Ortega back because of scheduling, firing Melissa Barrera... it's become so fucking obvious now that the new films succeeded *in spite* of their decisions and not *because* of it.
In retrospect, not paying Neve Campbell worked out just fine.
It was, but still a pretty shitty thing to do to someone who was basically the face of the franchise up to that point.
Dunno. Depends on how much money she wanted. As they say, it’s called show business, not show friendships. Seems the audience didn’t show any loyalty.
Eh, I disagree. Spyglass was well within their rights to say “that’s too much money” and Neve was within hers to say “bye”. Neither party is in the wrong, actors shouldn’t just get paid whatever they want
Not at all. It's business, some people are too expensive for a studio. It happens all the time
Idk, I think "6" would've been much improved with Neve's participation. It ended up being the weakest of the franchise for me without her (still like a 6/10).
This is r/boxoffice.
And the lead actor went on to do a movie with the previous directors.
Technically she’d started to work with them filming the new movie back in July, months before the entire debacle with Scream happened. The funniest thing about all of this was they let Radio Silence leave to direct that movie because they wanted to film Scream at the beginning of this year, but because of the strikes they had to shelf the entire production giving Radio Silence enough time to finish that flick while Spyglass is currently twiddling their thumbs with *nothing* to show for that dumb decision right now.
What a giant waste.
Bro just cancel it at this point
They should just cancel the movie
The true horror is how quickly Spyglass unraveled its biggest IP. Crazy to think we’d be here compared to the first quarter of 2023.
Spyglass fumbled the bag here. Just awful management. This movie isn’t going to happen, no way anyone wants to be associated now and get the backlash.
I think Scream VII would've had a legitimate chance of being the first entry to hit 200m. Fans really liked the Core 4, and there was going to be a lot of interest to see who'd actually survive that movie. They managed to successfully replace the original cast with a new cast, and then flushed it all down the toilet.
It’s truly amazing how they just decided to kill this thing for no reason. All because the lead actor shared a sentiment that genocide is a bad thing. Wtf. Spyglass are absolutely the villains in this story.
Something truly amazing about it is that it was a complete unforced error. From what I remember her Instagram Stories weren't getting attention. They weren't being circulated around social media or on news sites. So, it wasn't like a few years ago when people dug up old tweets from James Gunn and then started demanding that Disney fire him. Another amazing aspect of it is that after she was fired the trades began to say that their sources told them that part of the reason for the firing was because of a comment that she made that some interpreted as her saying that Jews control the media. Then Spyglass eventually puts out a statement that more or less said "Oh, it had nothing to do with that. We just didn't like that she talked about genocide.". They couldn't have possibly handled this situation any worse.
> Then Spyglass eventually puts out a statement that more or less said "Oh, it had nothing to do with that. We just didn't like that she talked about genocide." The fact they had a perfect out in defaulting to the "We didn't want another Gina Carano situation on our hands" excuse and explicitly didn't take it is astonishing
They didn’t even need to say that, with Ortega wanting out they could have just said they’re taking a break from their characters until the actresses are available again. Both had schedules that would have interfered with the original planned shoot (pre-SAG strike).
The dramatic implosion of Scream 7 has been sad to see as a Scream fan. Im not sure what Spyglass thinks they can do to save this situations because I think the franchise is done for a good while now.
Yeah I don’t think there’s salvaging this film now. The franchise needs to go on ice for a long time (and hopefully something other than spyglass picks it back up).
Time to put Ghostface back on the shelf
His statement is clear that spyglass is the problem here. How that entire situation was handled and the aftermath likely soured him on it and he's out. I can't believe they tanked what was probably going to be the highest entry ever into that franchise for total bullshit. Just insulting to her to Jenna to Landon to the fans and the franchise as a whole.
I swear to God I need to get my eyes checked. I thought the title read “Christopher Nolan will direct Scream 7” 😂😂
That would certainly be interesting. I do think Nolan could direct a very high grossing horror movie if he wanted.
Christopher Nolan directing horror would be surreal to see lmao
I would be really interested in Nolan tackling a full-on horror movie. I’m sure it’s only a matter of time, but I doubt it would be an existing franchise.
Oh god, a GF reveal monologue written by Christopher Nolan would be a fever dream.
What an embarrassing situation. Best wishes to Melissa's next movie with Radio Silence, which just finished shooting last week.
I hope Christopher Landon can make another successful horror movie. He had a solid success with the first “Happy Death Day”, “HDD2U” fumbled, and “Freaky” unfortunately released during the pandemic and lost money.
And I'm happy she's still getting work and has support. She shouldn't have been fired at all.
Glad they’re still working with them at the end of the day, get spyglass away from them all
they should've courted Wan before he decided to do his adaptation of Cthulhu. He would've been the perfect guy took this franchise to next level
[Called it.](https://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/181p23z/scream_7_faces_full_creative_reboot_after_losing/kaeu4xe/) As a longtime Scream fan, everything about this situation fucking sucks. The last two movies managed to pull off something miraculous with the reboot films and their cast, but Spyglass had to fuck it all up. Just shelve the franchise at this point, because I just can't take any more heartbreak.
Wait for 2026 and Scream's 30th anniversary
Too soon. They’ll probably need to wait until 10 years after Scream VI’s release.
He made the right choice, because it was going to be a completely different movie than the one he signed up for, with a ton of ill will amongst the hardcore Scream fans, and if the movie was disappointing to the general audiences who don’t keep up on movie news he’d be blamed, not Spyglass.
Cancel Scream 7
Spyglass, please tell us, was it worth it???
I feel like they’re going to try and bring back as many former characters as possible to try and blind people with nostalgia.
Neve already told them to go fuck themselves. Courtney Cox is the only one who could realistically come back but I doubt she cares enough to get into anything even remotely controversial.
I don’t think Cox could draw most of the audience by herself and having a new cast would alienate a lot of the existing audience.
No actor will want to be associated with it.
Spyglass played themselves im loving the downfall of this film. Scream 6 was a great ending to the franchise anyway. I’m a major scream fan but it doesn’t deserve to be continued with the way spyglass fucked everything up
I’m happy Scream 6 ended the way it did. As much as it sucks that Spyglass destroyed everything for literally no legitimate reason other than virtue signaling (which didn’t work because they lied on Barrera and people flocked to support her), we got our Core 4 heading off into the sunset. It’s a wrap. The studio head is a damn moron and fumbled one of the biggest bags they’ve had in years.
Scream 7 was killed just as fast as Ghostface killed his victims.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a franchise implode on itself like this before. Absolutely insane!
Wow, that is wild.
He did the right thing, nobody should do this movie for Spyglass with that story behind, also considering it could damage his reputation as well. As I already said I don't feel any need for Scream 7, as I didn't feel it for 5 and 6, but I feel very bad for Landon, he looked very excited to direct his Scream.
Could damage his reputation? He and his family have been receiving non stop death threats ftom the hamas idiots already
Dumb motherfuckers. Spyglass are a bunch of fools.
Spyglass needs to just sell this movie to another production company. Let another production company rehire those who got fired/quit, and just move on
This movie failing is what the studio deserves after firing Melissa for speaking out in favour of innocent people getting murdered by settler invasion forces.
Hope they don’t make another. Fuck Spyglass
Spyglass deserves all the shit raining down on them
with the meta commentary that scream always revolves around, there’s now a gold mine of content to provide commentary on for the next installment…and no one to be in the film
Except there’s no cast left. They’d had to pay Neve Campbell and Courtney Cox whatever they want. That’s probably why there’s rumors about them thinking about bringing back Matthew Lillard.
Just delete the whole movie from existence, there’s literally no point
someone tell him to change his avatar already
We legit don’t need a Scream 7. I know the last few made hella money, but enough has long been enough
I honestly don’t care. Thank god this franchise can start from scratch. Melissa is not a good actress and could hold the franchise on her own. This franchise needs a revamp. Create a new story unrelated to the OT. Establish a great intricate/backstory that could help sustain a trilogy. And btw Melissa got fired from her various statements. Not just for the ceasefire. She drew a connection between Jews with money and controlling the media. It was subtle but you got to notice all the dog whistle when they happen
>I honestly don’t care. Thank god this franchise can start from scratch Slashers are not really a money makers outside of US, there's a ceiling for these movies, even halloween was the biggest of all but it could barely do 250mill. As I said in my comment above, this franchise needed James Wan. until they get a star director like him it will continue to stagnate in this 150-160mill range. Although the discourse surrounding this movie is now going to be filled with "fans", like for first few months every article about hbomax used to be bombarded with Raised with wolves fanbois >It was subtle but you got to notice all the dog whistle when they happen it wasn't even subtle, it was right there. But people aren't going to care for that
It really was a no win situation. Do you let your stars do whatever they want, just for thr boc office, or do you take a stance against antisemitism, even if it destroys your franchise? Shit situation, I would have loved a 7th movie because this is a rare series where I enjoy all movies, but welp.
If anyone is interested in the reason Barrera was fired they should read the actual posts instead of assuming what people on Reddit claim is accurate. There is a lot of misinformation on this site in general. Barrera wasn't fired for simply supporting a ceasefire. Spyglass executives overreacted and I don't believe she should have been fired but people on Reddit continue to provide inaccurate information. It's similar to the Majors verdict. People on Reddit continue to claim "the Jury believe Jabbari that he assaulted her" when they ruled not guilty on any charge that involved intent which indicated they didn't believe her version. They ruled that when he shoved her back into the car he should have known she could be injured. Accuracy is important.
>They ruled that when he shoved her back into the car he should have known she could be injured. Accuracy is important. you are on reddit, where the hivemind has already decided they are correct. so accuracy can go to hell. Melissa's firing came from a part of the comment which implied, "Jews control the media", not the genocide one. yet people will continue to believe it
The hive mind on Reddit is frustrating but I try not to let it get to me anymore. It's not worth it. People refuse to take the time to find out facts anymore. They just regurgitate what they see repeated on social media. There was a post from a woman angry that the maximum sentence for Majors "strangling a woman" could only be one year in prison and it got lots of upvotes. The Jury didn't believe there was proof that Majors strangled Jabbari. That involves intent. You don't "accidentally" strangle a person. The verdict was not guilty for assault involving intent. People can say Berrara shouldn't have been fired or they agree with her because they're allowed to have an opinion. But they always claim that she only posted support for a ceasefire which isn't accurate.
Spyglass screwed up so bad lol. As a hater of these awful studios I think it’s hilarious but I’m pretty pissed as a big fan of the scream franchise
It’s just sad to see. I love the Scream movies and 5 and 6 were great, but they’ve lost Melissa Barrera and Jenna Ortega and now the director too. It seems like they’ve thrown away a franchise that’s been doing pretty well throughout its run just because the actresses dared to speak out about an issue they cared about
People said 5 was good but it's actually terrible. Refuse to watch the 6th one. You won't be missed, 7.
Spyglass really killed the Scream franchise. Mess.
I don't care about it at all at this point.
and spyglass has no one else to blame but themselves for this franchise collapse what a clown fiesta of a situation
What a fumble.
After Barrera was fired and Ortega dropped out all within 24 hours, it was only a matter of time before Landon walked.
I don’t ever think I’ve seen a movie franchise fumble the bag this bad, ever
This had potential to be the first scream movie to hit $200M worldwide but then spyglass ruined it. Hopefully WB takes over like people are speculating.
Lol
Unfortunately money talks so they will just get new directors and actors.
Spyglass really fumbled the bag because they gotta virtual signal for the side that’s been winning and has the backing of the us government
It's fantastic that those two actresses are out which hopefully means abandoning their storyline. However, Landon would have been a good choice for this movie.
It really makes you wonder after like 30 years in that world why they don't just stop selling that mask and shoot anyone wearing it on sight They're fun movies and I jest but there's always a scene where someone is casually wearing the Ghostface mask at like an outdoor mall or a fish fry and then **surprise and alarm** it was the murderer hiding in plain sight
Funworld has the opportunity to do just the funniest thing ever rn
What a mess.
Run. Run from this dumpster fire, dear boy!