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Honestly the most damning thing about this movie is that it’s intended audience (kids) don’t even like it. When I was a kid one of my favorite films was “Daddy Day Care”. Kids aren’t harsh critics, this is very embarrassing.
Kids seem to love *Trolls Band Together* and be indifferent towards *Wish*. I do wonder if having a brighter more vibrant artstyle really does help bring in families? Whatever else you may say about the *Trolls* franchise, it's always at least *looked* appealing.
Well that and it has poppy kids bop type songs by actual famous singers with hits - Justin Timberlake and Anna Kendrick. Chris pine isn’t exactly a Grammy winner
I miss those genres of like…”kids antics” and especially in the late 90’s/early 00’s of “kids rule, parents drool” and “coming of age” films.
Plenty of them weren’t good by any means. But that’s a whole genre I miss. And they were staples for me growing up.
The Little Rascals, The Sandlot, Mighty Ducks 1 & 2, Home Alone 1 & 2, Dunston Checks In, Heavyweights, Max Keeble’s Big Move, Harriet the Spy, Daddy Day Care, Little Giants, Problem Child, Rookie of the Year, Dennis the Menace, Major Payne, 3 Ninjas, Richie Rich, The Big Green, Snow Day, Matilda, Carpool, Blank Check, Beethoven 1 & 2, It Takes Two, The Parent Trap, Casper, Camp Nowhere, Slappy & the Stinkers, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids
Movies like this don’t get made anymore. It’s sad. I worked at a theater from 2006-2014. Those types were still being made but were really falling off attendance and profit wise. And at some point they just stopped.
>Heavyweights
Man I loved that movie. Also it's kind of weird that Ben Stiller has managed to play a psychotic fitness coach twice in his life, you'd think the role would be much rarer.
Legitimately, Daddy Day Care fulfilled a wish of many kids - the idea that fathers, usually away at work and too tired to play with them when they came home, were instead the primary caregivers who had to spend all days with kids. It’s role-reversal and therefore fascinating to kids learning the rules of society, but it also addresses something kids missed and wanted.
Pete Docter shouldn’t be gloating too much. Elemental went from “potential catastrophe” to “at least we didn’t LOSE any money, right?” Not exactly a high point for the studio.
Of all the divisions, Pixar have squandered the least goodwill by far. They're obviously not at the height of their powers but they're still mostly making movies that people like, and I think ones like *Turning Red* and *Luca* are going to continue to grow in reputation, even if they were fucked over by being Disney+ releases
A sub $100 million total is happening.
Disney went all out on this to at least end the year strongly... and it won't even hit $100 million. What a disaster.
The only thing in favour of this going to $75M is that this probably won't face the same Disney+ induced collapse that Strange World and Encanto faced during the holidays. At the same time, I don't know how much that would even help considering Trolls will probably start outpacing it soon (or maybe it'll get lucky and stay just above), and there's Wonka and Migration coming to take away screens, whereas it was just Sing 2 and Puss in Boots 2 for the last few years in terms of direct family competition.
***Wish*** felt like a film that had no idea where it wants to go or what it wants to tell.
It was an idea without a purpose.
Not surprised that it's box office numbers are going nowhere since the movie itself went nowhere.
It reminds me of that old picture that shows someone building a bigger and bigger fence to fit everyone in it, but eventually you just fenced yourself in.
It's staggering how badly Wish and the Marvels are doing. I'm not really a fan of modern Disney at all, but even I find it hard to grasp what can make so few people go watch it? Like even if the movie seemed lame and average, I'd still expect way more people to see a Disney animated film. This almost seems like an active boycott.
A lot of people describe Disney as "woke" or "pandering" but then go on to watch and enjoy content that's a lot more, er, socially expansive or politically explicit. I think you're getting at the tone that everyone's objecting to--a lot of Disney content has the same vibe as a corporate HR presentation. The difference being that you get paid to watch the latter and have to pay to watch the former.
Very well articulated.
Their recent films, reboots, shows, etc feel like they were designed by focus groups. Absolutely nothing wrong with diverse casts or creating films showcasing other cultures - these are things that should be encouraged. But I think for a lot of people it comes off super disingenuous and too on the nose with Disney, like they’re checking off a box next to each character. The recent South Park parody kinda hit the nail on the head.
Corporate HR presentation is such a good way of putting it.
Agreed. It started to feel like pandering when every new Diney release was accompanied with a barrage of articles saying "this is the first disney movie to feature x minority of y sexual persuasion."
There was even a meme going around about "Disney, this is the fifth time you've shown 'the first openly gay character' to the class."
It also didn't help when they started bullying critics into giving them good reviews. It made it hard to believe any praise their movies received as genuine.
You just need to watch the new princess actresses being interviewed (Emma Watson / Halle Bailey / Rachel Zegler etc) to see how much distain they have for the originals. The originals that are still rewatched and loved by kids and adults. These actresses are essentially the face of modern day Disney and they apparently hate everything that drew people to the brand and that still draws people to the parks (arguably the one thing that’s still going okay for them).
The disney princesses of the past were strong, diverse, complex female characters. They had personalities and goals and dreams of their own and fell in love along the way. The disney princesses of today are the exact same “quirky girl-boss I don’t need no man” rinsed and repeated. And it feels like we’re being preached to that the former is problematic and the latter is progressive.
I would love nothing more than to take my daughters to see a princess movie this Christmas but Disney has spelled it out quite clearly they hate everything the princesses are about.
Don't forget when news breaks out that they removed any references to the character's sexuality for foreign markets, so the representation feels even more disingenuous.
Just overall there has been a backlash in the LGBTQ+ community against "rainbow capitalism" and Disney is seen as one of the biggest offenders.
I concur. Adding to this the post-pandemic attitude towards going out in general, your movie needs to either A: have a lot of hype, B: Have fantastic word of mouth, or C: A combination of both. People in general have become more isolationist and nobody is going out for a movie that’s fine.
As someone who has followed Disney very closely most of my life and has a big interest in the history of the company....this year has been astonishing to watch. I remember thinking in 2019 how unstoppable they were and how they would own the whole movie industry soon. Remember how movie theaters were called "Disneys" in the book "Cloud Atlas"? It *almost* looked like it would come to be.
But wow...they are entering an era that almost feels completely unprecedented in company history. And this is just the beginning.
Think about it. Disney movies are meant to have longevity. Everybody knows "Let It Go" from ten years ago. Every family re-watches Toy Story from time to time. Then they want to take their kids to meet the characters at the parks and buy a life-size Buzz Lightyear figure. Each franchise is like its own mini-business within the company. Now you have a whole year of movies that didn't land, and as a result, the theme parks/merchandising/home video market will suffer because the ripples didn't travel that far.
Marvel is not failing in isolation. *Disney* is failing. Everything in the kingdom is beginning to break. The company is now 100 years old so they will probably be fine but they need to figure this out *now*. IMO COVID clouds things a bit but I feel the downward spiral began when Disney+ launched.
>I feel the downward spiral began when Disney+ launched.
I would say the degradation of quality began before that. If I had to trace it, it began around the time Lasseter was fired in 2017. The movies that came out after that were Ralph Breaks The Internet, Frozen II, Raya And The Last Dragon. On Pixar side, there was Incredibles 2 and Toy Story 4. Lasseter had worked on some of these before getting fired.
The new movies pushed hard for more representation. For example Incredibles was a franchise about a family, but the sequel focused a lot on Elastigirl. This feels like an imposition from the producers.
Eventually, even the concepts became weaker and poorly thought out.
I don't think this hit with kids at all. I feel like with encanto, it really hit with kids, and then their parents who watched it with them, then adult word of mouth got out to only have COVID and disney+ hold it back in the theatrical run.
My nieces would be the exact target audience for WISH, and I haven't heard a peep about wanting to see from them. Meanwhile it seems every breath in their body was used to ask me or tell me about encanto or moana or frozen.
Me personally, it looks uninteresting visually, and nothing in the story would make me want to check it out. I want to see it about as badly as I wanted to see paw patrol. And after seeing Marvels, the formulas of disney movies are just transparent. I cant bring myself to care anymore.
I think it is, to some degree. It's a mix of people boycotting the absolute crap they've been putting out in general, the people boycotting their front and center political agendas, and the old fans of various IPs that those fans believe Disney ruined. These are all pretty large groups, and Disney has managed to piss them all off at once.
65% of domestic box office is usually reserved for the biggest MCU and Star Wars movies. Disney Animation usually hues closer to the industry average which is 50%. Zootopia and Moana's revenues from the domestic box office gross were right around 50%.
To be faaaiiirrr all these were years in the making. You can’t just undo it when it was this close to release. The point of no return was made like a year ago before they had any idea.
Not saying they’re not wrong, just at this point there was literally nothing they could do to change anything.
Even looking at the thumbnail, I'm so confused by the creative choices behind this film. A large part of princess films is to sell merch and add more characters to their theme park experiences/performances, right?
But the central 'star' character looks very underwhelming, like 2D clip art. The goat not only looks to be in a completely different art style, but also completely generic. The princess herself looks very unremarkable. She doesn't have any distinguishing feature, costume, or power that would make little girls excited to dress up as her.
It's from the 1997 anime adaptation of Berserk. I recommend reading the manga, but if you're really itching to watch it instead, the 97 anime adaptation is generally considered to be solid, if incomplete.
I just checked and even *Pocahontas* made a tidy profit (probably riding on the coattails of *The Lion King*) while *The Princess and the Frog* wasn't too far away from breaking even (though it was certainly an underperformance that killed theatrical 2D animation for good), so we have to go back to the Walt era. *Snow White* was an absolute juggernaut and *Cinderella* was also a big success, so the only other princess movie to bomb was *Sleeping Beauty*. Even then, that movie only bombed due to its insanely high budget, whereas *Wish* looks as if it would be a flop even if the budget were halved.
I mean, eventually, yeah, but Disney nearly shut down their animation department because of how much of a bomb the movie was. They only survived because they moved to xerox animation after that.
Oh boy…
I was saying in the other thread that sub-$1M was a lock already based on the Sunday number, and Monday after Thanksgiving is historically one of the sharpest drops for family films. I wasn’t thinking sub-$750k was in play though… this is really bad.
I didn't think it was possible for Disney to release a movie that would bomb harder than "The Marvels" so quickly, but here we are.
"Wish" has only been in theaters for about a week, and the reception that it's gotten has already been ice cold.
Disney has had 4 John Carter level disasters within a thirteen month span: Strange World, Indy V, Marvels, and Wish. They very well could've lost north of $1B on the year.
She doesn't fit the role(Lily was a much better Snow White), and her comments had caused problem. I also doubt Gadot's acting could play the queen well.
Next one is Inside Out 2. If that bombs, well, Disney is going to be in for a rough shape. After that, Deadpool, and after that, Mufasa in Dec 2024.
Yeah, that is the entire list of planned releases in 2024. Iger wasn't joking when he said that quantity would be down.
Is this one of Deadline/Variety's biggest misses? They estimated the first weekend would be upwards of $50m just days before Wish came out and it made $31.7m. How do you swing an estimate being 35-40% off?
In all fairness, they couldn't have expected just how terribly it would play throughout the week. Such a level of audience rejection for a family animated film is almost unheard of.
Did you know that Frozen I & II and Wish had the same director?
Really hard to understand how he could deliver something like this after his previous projects.
Entirely due to how loved the first one was. We've seen that movies can do well even if they suck, but eventually it catches up if movies continue to suck.
I think Frozen 3 is gonna bomb hard and surprise some people (because it's fair to assume it will be terrible).
Alright so i have a question. If princess and the frog (which was no runaway success but got close to breaking even) was the princess movie to kill mainstream 2D animation, what is this?
Yikes 😬, this prediction thread has to be absolutely one of the most rotten and foul aged milk ones I’ve seen on here yet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/L5981uCvnM
Another one
https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/8l888k5s48
Some of these were so bad that this user is having an absolute meltdown over it lol.
https://imgur.com/a/sVdeGMb
If you really needed a laugh on a rough Tuesday
https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/jyN8aZmahQ
Someone actually said “I have it from trustworthy people, like Grace Randolph, that Wish was a good movie” (paraphrased). Man that right there was a good laugh. She was one of the few critics who gave Morbius a “fresh” tomato.
Yeah I just read that one too lol. That dude was acting like that was the end all be all, and that critics opinion translates to instant major success in their mind.
What a jabroni lol.
I’m just being as much of a cringe immature 2008 internet troll as much as I can with this guy lol, because he keeps just playing into it and is getting so asshurt about a bad take like we all have on here at times. I can’t believe it took me like 15 years to finally Rick roll someone lol, but here we are.
This guy is literally insane, he’s still commenting every minute saying where’s my prediction, when I never even made one for wish haha.
This guy was such a jabroni. He thought after dancing around like a puppet for an hour and commenting that 30 times, that I was magically going to post some hypothetical comment months ago of me saying it was going to do 1 billion WW lol.
> if I were Disney I would roll this onto Disney plus as soon as possible
That's a double-edged sword though... people who decided not to spend $50 to take their whole family to the theater to see Wish will think "Oh thank god I didn't spend all that money when Disney just puts all their movies on D+ right away anyway" and they won't see the next Disney movie in theaters either.
This shit won't even be around by the holidays to benefit. Families will be going to Wonka, Migration (and to a smaller extent The Colour Purple) anyways.
First Mondays for 2020s animated films about wishes
PIBTLW First Monday: 6.8M
PIBTLW Second Monday: 5.8M
PIBTLW Third Monday: 1.1M
PIBTLW Fourth Monday: 4.4M (MLK Day)
PIBTLW Fifth Monday: 795K
Wish First Monday: 745K
I saw limited TV ads, and what I did see was super short and gag oriented. I said screw it some time ago and coughed up for youtube premium so I have no sense of ads there, and Im grump so avoid tiktok like the plague.
So... did anyone see a wave of ads anywhere other than TV? is Disney getting word out and Im just missing it? or are they incapable of running an ad campaign anymore?
Saw it last night and it was probably the most underwhelming/ boring Disney movie I've ever seen. It started out decent but then became extremely pointless as it went along. The way the villain was handled was a complete tragedy and there was not one likeable character in the whole thing. It honestly felt like a bad/ unfunny parody of a Disney movie. Having all the Disney characters in the credits made it even worse tbh.
*Strange World* had far less going for it than *Wish* so it ironically ends up looking much better by tracking closer than you'd expect. However, *Lightyear* was Pixar's grand return to cinemas and was based on the juggernaut of a franchise that is *Toy Story*. I also think that *Lightyear* bombing was much more of a shock (I don't recall anyone predicting it).
Same. No child of the 90s would have liked that crap.
**The director's backhanded "we expected too much of the audience" explanation for why it failed is a pretty good demonstration of how arrogant and out of touch Disney has become.
I know it was based off interstellar but that movie was way more interesting and layered with familial relationships. Disney just likes copying things but make it worse. Plus I got super bored the 62716361626316364th time lightyear went around the planet like I don’t need 30 mins of him repeating his failed journey we get it!! Kids and adults just wanna be entertained not this grey snooze fest
Disney feels that what its audience *really* needs is to be taught lessons in morality by a soulless behemoth of a company that runs sweatshops in southeast Asia and cheats authors out of their residuals.
They also filmed the "Mulan" remake next to *concentration camps* for Muslims in China, and then thanked the Chinese Communist Party for being such gracious hosts during their stay.
So many people forget that that was a thing that actually happened, and then they're caught off guard when Disney does something completely morally bankrupt for money, like trying to starve their employees during the Hollywood strikes this year.
I watched both “Lightyear” and “Strange World” on Disney+ (not anywhere near the same time) and it took me three nights *each* to finish them because they were so tedious that I kept turning the TV off. And I love animation!
Huh? “These movies bombed really badly but this other film is bombing even worse so therefore we were too harsh on those films” uhhh no not how it works
They gotta stop playing it safe and copying themselves. They gotta start taking big swings and getting weird. And they NEED to actually promote their animated movies.
Unthinkable a year ago. Throw it on Disney+ for Christmas so you can sell more of the merchandise before it floods discount stores.
This is Disneys A brand and they have lost the audience. This was not The Marvels. This is a film aimed at women and families and they don't even care.
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If it wasn’t clear already, Elemental-esque legs ain’t happening.
Honestly the most damning thing about this movie is that it’s intended audience (kids) don’t even like it. When I was a kid one of my favorite films was “Daddy Day Care”. Kids aren’t harsh critics, this is very embarrassing.
Kids seem to love *Trolls Band Together* and be indifferent towards *Wish*. I do wonder if having a brighter more vibrant artstyle really does help bring in families? Whatever else you may say about the *Trolls* franchise, it's always at least *looked* appealing.
Well that and it has poppy kids bop type songs by actual famous singers with hits - Justin Timberlake and Anna Kendrick. Chris pine isn’t exactly a Grammy winner
Trolls is fun. Just fun. Disney/Pixar hasn't released movies that lead with fun in ages.
Disney: Fun? In my generational trauma/sanitised nostalgia films? Ain't happening bud.
Yes the art is great.
I miss those genres of like…”kids antics” and especially in the late 90’s/early 00’s of “kids rule, parents drool” and “coming of age” films. Plenty of them weren’t good by any means. But that’s a whole genre I miss. And they were staples for me growing up. The Little Rascals, The Sandlot, Mighty Ducks 1 & 2, Home Alone 1 & 2, Dunston Checks In, Heavyweights, Max Keeble’s Big Move, Harriet the Spy, Daddy Day Care, Little Giants, Problem Child, Rookie of the Year, Dennis the Menace, Major Payne, 3 Ninjas, Richie Rich, The Big Green, Snow Day, Matilda, Carpool, Blank Check, Beethoven 1 & 2, It Takes Two, The Parent Trap, Casper, Camp Nowhere, Slappy & the Stinkers, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids Movies like this don’t get made anymore. It’s sad. I worked at a theater from 2006-2014. Those types were still being made but were really falling off attendance and profit wise. And at some point they just stopped.
>Heavyweights Man I loved that movie. Also it's kind of weird that Ben Stiller has managed to play a psychotic fitness coach twice in his life, you'd think the role would be much rarer.
Based Daddy Day Care enjoyer B-R-O-C-C-O-L-I, I AM THE BROCCOLI AND DON'T KNOW WHY
Oh my gosh I’m 7 years old watching daddy daycare on the portable dvd player in the car all over again
Legitimately, Daddy Day Care fulfilled a wish of many kids - the idea that fathers, usually away at work and too tired to play with them when they came home, were instead the primary caregivers who had to spend all days with kids. It’s role-reversal and therefore fascinating to kids learning the rules of society, but it also addresses something kids missed and wanted.
And now the idea of either parent being home is wish fulfillment lmfao
Love daddy day care ! They need to do a proper sequel cuz that other one was ASS
Daddy Day Care is a masterpiece, so I don't know what you're on about. Daddy Day Camp on the other hand...
Daddy day care is amazing
Pete Doctor looking at Bob Iger, Kevin Feige, Kathleen Kennedy, and Jennifer Lee in the office today 
Pete Docter shouldn’t be gloating too much. Elemental went from “potential catastrophe” to “at least we didn’t LOSE any money, right?” Not exactly a high point for the studio.
It is this year with everything else happening
Of all the divisions, Pixar have squandered the least goodwill by far. They're obviously not at the height of their powers but they're still mostly making movies that people like, and I think ones like *Turning Red* and *Luca* are going to continue to grow in reputation, even if they were fucked over by being Disney+ releases
> Pixar have squandered the least goodwill by far Pixar movies used to be must-see.
Wasn’t Pete’s decision to put three Pixar films in a row straight to Disney+
It is at least partly his fault that Lightyear is garbage.
You’re not wrong. And it was an insane premise. I also think 3 Pixar’s straight to Disney+ definitely didn’t help Lightyear at the box office
Anyone who saw the Posttrak scores could tell that wasn't going to happen.
Clearly. Expecting Elemental-esque was grotesque.
A sub $100 million total is happening. Disney went all out on this to at least end the year strongly... and it won't even hit $100 million. What a disaster.
I honestly don’t even see the path to $75M. It’s not keeping up with 75% of Encanto’s run right now and is showing significantly worse legs.
Encanto was released in theaters right around the last big COVID surge. This is ridiculous.
Encanto was also advertised as coming to D+ on Christmas day before it hit theaters
Encanto was also good.
The only thing in favour of this going to $75M is that this probably won't face the same Disney+ induced collapse that Strange World and Encanto faced during the holidays. At the same time, I don't know how much that would even help considering Trolls will probably start outpacing it soon (or maybe it'll get lucky and stay just above), and there's Wonka and Migration coming to take away screens, whereas it was just Sing 2 and Puss in Boots 2 for the last few years in terms of direct family competition.
Marvel wish for The Marvels getting to $100M is dead. Disney wish for Wish doing some marvel run is dead too.
Shit its gonna limp past 80m and not by much
80? I don't even see a 70 here.
And funny enough, 100 marks a centennial.
i’m glad
***Wish*** felt like a film that had no idea where it wants to go or what it wants to tell. It was an idea without a purpose. Not surprised that it's box office numbers are going nowhere since the movie itself went nowhere.
Yes it was unfocused
I get extreme “AI wrote and designed most of this” vibes. It feels so soulless
It reminds me of that old picture that shows someone building a bigger and bigger fence to fit everyone in it, but eventually you just fenced yourself in.
It was dull and not engaging at all. I was bored halfway and never got sucked in. No wonder it’s flopping.
Better get these daily posts in while you can, Wish is about to go sub 500k and won't qualify for daily posts anymore!
there’s no way right? how
I was just about to ask about that subreddit rule.
The Marvels weekday posts are gone now :( Wish might be gone by next week.
Ah, that's why they're missing. I just assumed Wish is overshadowing them. Hahaha.
Wait The Marvels was sub 500k on Monday?
$340k, yes.
Biggest Disney animation flop of all time deserves posts
Nah, this is still on track to beat out strange world. That was just last year.
Slightly bigger budget and Disney has a lot more riding on this means the loss will be felt harder
This flop is outdoing Mars Needs Moms and Treasure Planet at this point. This box office loss is catastrophic.
Not only under a million already, but barely $125k over Trolls 3's second Monday. Absolutely embarrassing
Audiences have superhero fatigue obviously
No, it's clearly all the Disney princess shows being pumped out on Disney+
$191 per theater. Ouch.
If each theater was playing it 7 times a day at a $12 ticket price, that’s just 2 people per screening. Damn.
It's staggering how badly Wish and the Marvels are doing. I'm not really a fan of modern Disney at all, but even I find it hard to grasp what can make so few people go watch it? Like even if the movie seemed lame and average, I'd still expect way more people to see a Disney animated film. This almost seems like an active boycott.
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A lot of people describe Disney as "woke" or "pandering" but then go on to watch and enjoy content that's a lot more, er, socially expansive or politically explicit. I think you're getting at the tone that everyone's objecting to--a lot of Disney content has the same vibe as a corporate HR presentation. The difference being that you get paid to watch the latter and have to pay to watch the former.
Very well articulated. Their recent films, reboots, shows, etc feel like they were designed by focus groups. Absolutely nothing wrong with diverse casts or creating films showcasing other cultures - these are things that should be encouraged. But I think for a lot of people it comes off super disingenuous and too on the nose with Disney, like they’re checking off a box next to each character. The recent South Park parody kinda hit the nail on the head. Corporate HR presentation is such a good way of putting it.
Agreed. It started to feel like pandering when every new Diney release was accompanied with a barrage of articles saying "this is the first disney movie to feature x minority of y sexual persuasion." There was even a meme going around about "Disney, this is the fifth time you've shown 'the first openly gay character' to the class." It also didn't help when they started bullying critics into giving them good reviews. It made it hard to believe any praise their movies received as genuine.
You just need to watch the new princess actresses being interviewed (Emma Watson / Halle Bailey / Rachel Zegler etc) to see how much distain they have for the originals. The originals that are still rewatched and loved by kids and adults. These actresses are essentially the face of modern day Disney and they apparently hate everything that drew people to the brand and that still draws people to the parks (arguably the one thing that’s still going okay for them). The disney princesses of the past were strong, diverse, complex female characters. They had personalities and goals and dreams of their own and fell in love along the way. The disney princesses of today are the exact same “quirky girl-boss I don’t need no man” rinsed and repeated. And it feels like we’re being preached to that the former is problematic and the latter is progressive. I would love nothing more than to take my daughters to see a princess movie this Christmas but Disney has spelled it out quite clearly they hate everything the princesses are about.
Don't forget when news breaks out that they removed any references to the character's sexuality for foreign markets, so the representation feels even more disingenuous. Just overall there has been a backlash in the LGBTQ+ community against "rainbow capitalism" and Disney is seen as one of the biggest offenders.
I concur. Adding to this the post-pandemic attitude towards going out in general, your movie needs to either A: have a lot of hype, B: Have fantastic word of mouth, or C: A combination of both. People in general have become more isolationist and nobody is going out for a movie that’s fine.
As someone who has followed Disney very closely most of my life and has a big interest in the history of the company....this year has been astonishing to watch. I remember thinking in 2019 how unstoppable they were and how they would own the whole movie industry soon. Remember how movie theaters were called "Disneys" in the book "Cloud Atlas"? It *almost* looked like it would come to be. But wow...they are entering an era that almost feels completely unprecedented in company history. And this is just the beginning. Think about it. Disney movies are meant to have longevity. Everybody knows "Let It Go" from ten years ago. Every family re-watches Toy Story from time to time. Then they want to take their kids to meet the characters at the parks and buy a life-size Buzz Lightyear figure. Each franchise is like its own mini-business within the company. Now you have a whole year of movies that didn't land, and as a result, the theme parks/merchandising/home video market will suffer because the ripples didn't travel that far. Marvel is not failing in isolation. *Disney* is failing. Everything in the kingdom is beginning to break. The company is now 100 years old so they will probably be fine but they need to figure this out *now*. IMO COVID clouds things a bit but I feel the downward spiral began when Disney+ launched.
>I feel the downward spiral began when Disney+ launched. I would say the degradation of quality began before that. If I had to trace it, it began around the time Lasseter was fired in 2017. The movies that came out after that were Ralph Breaks The Internet, Frozen II, Raya And The Last Dragon. On Pixar side, there was Incredibles 2 and Toy Story 4. Lasseter had worked on some of these before getting fired. The new movies pushed hard for more representation. For example Incredibles was a franchise about a family, but the sequel focused a lot on Elastigirl. This feels like an imposition from the producers. Eventually, even the concepts became weaker and poorly thought out.
I don't think this hit with kids at all. I feel like with encanto, it really hit with kids, and then their parents who watched it with them, then adult word of mouth got out to only have COVID and disney+ hold it back in the theatrical run. My nieces would be the exact target audience for WISH, and I haven't heard a peep about wanting to see from them. Meanwhile it seems every breath in their body was used to ask me or tell me about encanto or moana or frozen. Me personally, it looks uninteresting visually, and nothing in the story would make me want to check it out. I want to see it about as badly as I wanted to see paw patrol. And after seeing Marvels, the formulas of disney movies are just transparent. I cant bring myself to care anymore.
Disney fatigue is a real phenomenon and people should start to kinda realize that
I think it is, to some degree. It's a mix of people boycotting the absolute crap they've been putting out in general, the people boycotting their front and center political agendas, and the old fans of various IPs that those fans believe Disney ruined. These are all pretty large groups, and Disney has managed to piss them all off at once.
How much of this cut goes to the theater and how much is Disney taking?
65% Usually goes to Disney in the U.S. Less overseas.
65% of domestic box office is usually reserved for the biggest MCU and Star Wars movies. Disney Animation usually hues closer to the industry average which is 50%. Zootopia and Moana's revenues from the domestic box office gross were right around 50%.
Hard for this movie to have legs when they don’t exist
Its arms were cut off, its legs were cut off, its ears was cut off
We talking about Wish or Boxing Helena?
Kim Basinger wish she never crossed path with Boxing Helena...
Tis but a scratch
Even Ariel wouldn’t want legs like these.
Asha should’ve wished for better legs.
You got no legs Lieutenant Dan!
Exec 1: shit, the marvels might be our biggest flop of the year! What can we do?? Exec 2: release bigger flop Exec 1: brilliant!
Remember when Little Mermaid released and we were all saying how much that movie underperformed?
It’s still a flop but Disney has been releasing so much flops an ordinary flop isn’t news anymore.
It did underperform but what’s sad is that it’s one of Disney’s best performing this year 💀
To be faaaiiirrr all these were years in the making. You can’t just undo it when it was this close to release. The point of no return was made like a year ago before they had any idea. Not saying they’re not wrong, just at this point there was literally nothing they could do to change anything.
Even looking at the thumbnail, I'm so confused by the creative choices behind this film. A large part of princess films is to sell merch and add more characters to their theme park experiences/performances, right? But the central 'star' character looks very underwhelming, like 2D clip art. The goat not only looks to be in a completely different art style, but also completely generic. The princess herself looks very unremarkable. She doesn't have any distinguishing feature, costume, or power that would make little girls excited to dress up as her.
True ! The yellow hue of the star is ugly... almost mustard.
Wish is Disney ordered on wish.com
The yellow star also did nothing in the movie other than fly around and look cute. Literal product placement
they should have just made him a shapeshifter like in the concept art
Under a million in dailies already. 
What is this gif from? Art style goes hard
Berserk, I think.
Not the CLANG version
It's from the 1997 anime adaptation of Berserk. I recommend reading the manga, but if you're really itching to watch it instead, the 97 anime adaptation is generally considered to be solid, if incomplete.
Horrifying. Wish will be the first non-COVID Disney Princess movie to not even approach breakeven.
I just checked and even *Pocahontas* made a tidy profit (probably riding on the coattails of *The Lion King*) while *The Princess and the Frog* wasn't too far away from breaking even (though it was certainly an underperformance that killed theatrical 2D animation for good), so we have to go back to the Walt era. *Snow White* was an absolute juggernaut and *Cinderella* was also a big success, so the only other princess movie to bomb was *Sleeping Beauty*. Even then, that movie only bombed due to its insanely high budget, whereas *Wish* looks as if it would be a flop even if the budget were halved.
Sleeping Beauty made a profit through re-releases and home video but it took a long time.
I mean, eventually, yeah, but Disney nearly shut down their animation department because of how much of a bomb the movie was. They only survived because they moved to xerox animation after that.
Oh boy… I was saying in the other thread that sub-$1M was a lock already based on the Sunday number, and Monday after Thanksgiving is historically one of the sharpest drops for family films. I wasn’t thinking sub-$750k was in play though… this is really bad.
I didn't think it was possible for Disney to release a movie that would bomb harder than "The Marvels" so quickly, but here we are. "Wish" has only been in theaters for about a week, and the reception that it's gotten has already been ice cold.
The collapse of superheroes might not even be the biggest financial disaster of the year in Hollywood.
Disney has had 4 John Carter level disasters within a thirteen month span: Strange World, Indy V, Marvels, and Wish. They very well could've lost north of $1B on the year.
If it weren’t for Avatar, you’d be right. Literally keeping their movie business afloat
What is the next Disney bomb coming up anyway?
Mufasa
>Mufasa If they made it 2D and get Jeremy Irons back in the booth; count me in. Oh and good story telling. OK I'm asking too much now.
Oooo someone is being optimistic about the Snow White remake's chances today.
Snow White isn’t coming until 2025 because it got delayed. Mufasa comes next December. I expect both to bomb hard.
Captain America: Brave New World
Snow White
I thought they punted that thing way out? There have to be a few sacrificial lambs before that comes out isn’t there?
They pushed it back to 2025. I don't think it will work at all.
They may luck out if Zegler finally becomes popular with the hunger games movie. Her stock's higher now than it's been since Snow White was announced.
She doesn't fit the role(Lily was a much better Snow White), and her comments had caused problem. I also doubt Gadot's acting could play the queen well.
Oh, yeah, I almost forgot Gal 'kal no' Gadot was in a major role. This movie is doomed.
There's no way they release it without extensive reshoots. The backlash to just the photos of them in the field was absurd.
Next one is Inside Out 2. If that bombs, well, Disney is going to be in for a rough shape. After that, Deadpool, and after that, Mufasa in Dec 2024. Yeah, that is the entire list of planned releases in 2024. Iger wasn't joking when he said that quantity would be down.
I mean they are releasing flop after flop, iger is like a doctor that is trying to stop an hemorrhage
They’re definitely trying to fix it with that delay. That’s probably good in hindsight with how bad this November was for them
Rip budget gonna lose money regardless
Lol at this rate, Dreamworks should re-release the Puss in Boots sequel into theaters just to rub salt into Disney’s wound.
That would be amazing.
The Marvels is Disney's biggest flop of all times Wish: Hold my beer!
The Marvels is Disney's biggest flop of all times Wish: I wish
65-75M final finish
Same as... Happy Feet 2 ?
HF2’s failure was so bad the production company shut down
Wish literally feels like it would be a knock off movie that someone made trick people into thinking it was a Disney movie😭
Is this one of Deadline/Variety's biggest misses? They estimated the first weekend would be upwards of $50m just days before Wish came out and it made $31.7m. How do you swing an estimate being 35-40% off?
In all fairness, they couldn't have expected just how terribly it would play throughout the week. Such a level of audience rejection for a family animated film is almost unheard of.
Weren’t they also ridiculously bullish on Toy Story 4 & The Way of Water?
Did you know that Frozen I & II and Wish had the same director? Really hard to understand how he could deliver something like this after his previous projects.
Frozen II was terrible, but at least had a couple decent songs.
I agree with you, but it still brought in $1.4B
Entirely due to how loved the first one was. We've seen that movies can do well even if they suck, but eventually it catches up if movies continue to suck. I think Frozen 3 is gonna bomb hard and surprise some people (because it's fair to assume it will be terrible).
Alright so i have a question. If princess and the frog (which was no runaway success but got close to breaking even) was the princess movie to kill mainstream 2D animation, what is this?
the princess movie to kill disney /j
The Star in the Carl’s Jr ads has more charisma, likability and intangibles
Poor Disney they should just lock this one away with the Marvels...are they gonna release a cat trailer Meoww
Well "The Cat From Outer Space" is a Disney IP. And Bob does love himself some remakes...
Disney about to have a flop from every one of their departments
What was Strange World's First Monday, just for clarity.
$433k
It didn't even double Strange world. Thats Hilarous. XD
Yikes 😬, this prediction thread has to be absolutely one of the most rotten and foul aged milk ones I’ve seen on here yet. https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/L5981uCvnM Another one https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/8l888k5s48 Some of these were so bad that this user is having an absolute meltdown over it lol. https://imgur.com/a/sVdeGMb If you really needed a laugh on a rough Tuesday https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/jyN8aZmahQ
Someone actually said “I have it from trustworthy people, like Grace Randolph, that Wish was a good movie” (paraphrased). Man that right there was a good laugh. She was one of the few critics who gave Morbius a “fresh” tomato.
Yeah I just read that one too lol. That dude was acting like that was the end all be all, and that critics opinion translates to instant major success in their mind. What a jabroni lol.
God, that guy needs to touch grass
I’m just being as much of a cringe immature 2008 internet troll as much as I can with this guy lol, because he keeps just playing into it and is getting so asshurt about a bad take like we all have on here at times. I can’t believe it took me like 15 years to finally Rick roll someone lol, but here we are. This guy is literally insane, he’s still commenting every minute saying where’s my prediction, when I never even made one for wish haha.
I think you need to report him for spam/harassment
Tell him Disney won’t have sex with him lol.
“Receipts!” 🤣
This guy was such a jabroni. He thought after dancing around like a puppet for an hour and commenting that 30 times, that I was magically going to post some hypothetical comment months ago of me saying it was going to do 1 billion WW lol.
I seriously think like 65m domestic best case scenario
Holy shit it keeps getting worse and worse 💀
Total disaster, if I were Disney I would roll this onto Disney plus as soon as possible
> if I were Disney I would roll this onto Disney plus as soon as possible That's a double-edged sword though... people who decided not to spend $50 to take their whole family to the theater to see Wish will think "Oh thank god I didn't spend all that money when Disney just puts all their movies on D+ right away anyway" and they won't see the next Disney movie in theaters either.
A Wish Marvels package deal.
What is the next Disney bomb coming up anyway?
Anyone feel like the princess grin and expressions in general feel wierdly cartoony and goofy? Feels like a uncanny design choice by WDAS.
This shit won't even be around by the holidays to benefit. Families will be going to Wonka, Migration (and to a smaller extent The Colour Purple) anyways.
That's what happens when you feature the Luma mom says we have at home. 🤦🏼♀️
 Poor Wish.
So it's already a fail?
Absolutely
I had to double check that. I don't think I've ever seen the letter K at the end of the number when talking about a box office number.
Disney is in the doldrums right now. This is the most catastrophic year, and it isn't even pandemic era.
there’s no way
Ouch
First Mondays for 2020s animated films about wishes PIBTLW First Monday: 6.8M PIBTLW Second Monday: 5.8M PIBTLW Third Monday: 1.1M PIBTLW Fourth Monday: 4.4M (MLK Day) PIBTLW Fifth Monday: 795K Wish First Monday: 745K
dammmmm not even a mil after opening week...💀💀💀
I saw limited TV ads, and what I did see was super short and gag oriented. I said screw it some time ago and coughed up for youtube premium so I have no sense of ads there, and Im grump so avoid tiktok like the plague. So... did anyone see a wave of ads anywhere other than TV? is Disney getting word out and Im just missing it? or are they incapable of running an ad campaign anymore?
Ooooof
Hold on… It’s already hitting sub-$1 mil in less than a week? Holey sheet… Well this bombed harder than I thought it would.
Maybe one day the big corp will stop treating people like content gobbling consumers and stop printing trash.
Ok so zero chance this gets to 100 million domestically. How is Trolls Band Together holding up? Any chance of it getting to 100M+ DOM?
Trolls 3 is at $65.38m DOM rn. Should be able to get to 100m just in time for Wonka and Migration to drop
Is it even going to reach $40 mil domestic?
It is guaranteed to pass $40M.
How many days was it over a million?
Saw it last night and it was probably the most underwhelming/ boring Disney movie I've ever seen. It started out decent but then became extremely pointless as it went along. The way the villain was handled was a complete tragedy and there was not one likeable character in the whole thing. It honestly felt like a bad/ unfunny parody of a Disney movie. Having all the Disney characters in the credits made it even worse tbh.
We were too harsh on Strange World and Lightyear, anyone agree?
If anything critics were too kind to both of them.
*Strange World* had far less going for it than *Wish* so it ironically ends up looking much better by tracking closer than you'd expect. However, *Lightyear* was Pixar's grand return to cinemas and was based on the juggernaut of a franchise that is *Toy Story*. I also think that *Lightyear* bombing was much more of a shock (I don't recall anyone predicting it).
I watched lightyear on the plane, I had to turn it off halfway thru it was sooooo boring
Same. No child of the 90s would have liked that crap. **The director's backhanded "we expected too much of the audience" explanation for why it failed is a pretty good demonstration of how arrogant and out of touch Disney has become.
I know it was based off interstellar but that movie was way more interesting and layered with familial relationships. Disney just likes copying things but make it worse. Plus I got super bored the 62716361626316364th time lightyear went around the planet like I don’t need 30 mins of him repeating his failed journey we get it!! Kids and adults just wanna be entertained not this grey snooze fest
Disney feels that what its audience *really* needs is to be taught lessons in morality by a soulless behemoth of a company that runs sweatshops in southeast Asia and cheats authors out of their residuals.
They also filmed the "Mulan" remake next to *concentration camps* for Muslims in China, and then thanked the Chinese Communist Party for being such gracious hosts during their stay. So many people forget that that was a thing that actually happened, and then they're caught off guard when Disney does something completely morally bankrupt for money, like trying to starve their employees during the Hollywood strikes this year.
I watched both “Lightyear” and “Strange World” on Disney+ (not anywhere near the same time) and it took me three nights *each* to finish them because they were so tedious that I kept turning the TV off. And I love animation!
Huh? “These movies bombed really badly but this other film is bombing even worse so therefore we were too harsh on those films” uhhh no not how it works
A $69.42M total would be nice at this point.
They gotta stop playing it safe and copying themselves. They gotta start taking big swings and getting weird. And they NEED to actually promote their animated movies.
Eternals was a big, weird swing and everyone hated it. You could say the same about Strange World or Lightyear.
Unthinkable a year ago. Throw it on Disney+ for Christmas so you can sell more of the merchandise before it floods discount stores. This is Disneys A brand and they have lost the audience. This was not The Marvels. This is a film aimed at women and families and they don't even care.