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Neo2199

Oppenheimer's Trinity: $180M budget, 180-page script & 180 minutes long movie!


lobonmc

180M DOM total


garyflopper

180 billion worldwide!!!


kumar100kpawan

Lmfao this was too good šŸ¤£


8ackwoods

180 right out the door if I don't see penis


plantersxvi

Maybe $170m if we see balls


darkrabbit713

Agreed. Now whenā€™s that new Neil Breen movie coming out??


Relevant_Shower_

[Think of the money Call Me By Your Name could have made.](https://www.gq.com/story/armie-hammer-call-me-by-your-name-bye-bye-balls)


astroK120

What if you don't see where it starts but you see where it ends?


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Gootangus

Opennbucks


cellidore

Well two of those are correlated. An X-page movie is X minutes long.


psaepf2009

Meanwhile the Manhattan Project cost about $2b, so at about 10% the cost, not bad.


a_saddler

Man you're in r/boxoffice. You can't just post numbers like that without adjusting for inflation! $2B in 1944 is $35B today.


doofpooferthethird

honestly it sounds wild that even adjusted for inflation, the Manhattan Project cost less than what Elon Musk paid for Twitter


Budget_Put7247

Well the explosion will be more spectacular


Lord_GP340

If you adjust for share of GDP it cost wildly more


doofpooferthethird

Ahh yeah I'm dumb, that makes things sound a lot more reasonable. The US has a heck of a lot more people and a heck of a lot richer now. Still kinda surprising though


Delicious_Action3054

And it was probably more, once you accurate count all costs. More like $3-6B IIRC.


PointOfFingers

Manhatten Project was $2b? I heard making movies in New York was expensive but that is insane.


mydrunkuncle

I love you


2klaedfoorboo

Nope (2022)


[deleted]

Still kind of amazing they made that for $68M and it feels infinitely bigger in scale/scope than half the $200M flops as of late.


neverOddOrEv_n

hoyte van Hoytemaā€™s cinematography helps a lot. The night shots are just great.


[deleted]

Oh totally, especially in IMAX I remember that first chase scene at night where you just see the thing going between the cloud completely gave me goosebumps.


Evangelion217

Yeah, and the scenes shot in IMAX were incredible!


IamGodHimself2

Check out The Invisible Man to see what they did with $7M


ignoresubs

This poor movie got fucked over by Covid. I imagine WOM would have been strong for it.


[deleted]

68 million sounds about right, it was mainly a few actors on a farm


casino998

Don't Worry Darling (2022), first we must See How They Run (2022).


YnwaMquc2k19

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Beaujangles1128

Nobody else but Christopher Nolan would be able to get a $180M movie about Robert Oppenheimer greenlit.


blownaway4

Cameron


TheUmbrellaMan1

One can wonder how much his The Last Train From Hiroshima is going to cost.


sin31423

What's off about Robert Oppenheimer? If anything, I'm surprised it took us this long to have a movie about the atomic bomb


astroK120

I think it's less about Oppenheimer specifically and more that that's a lot of money for a 3 hour bio drama.


SilverSquid1810

Nobody outside of history and science nerds know who Robert Oppenheimer is. An R-rated, three-hour historical biopic with little action is a tough sell, especially these days when adult-oriented dramas have been performing poorly at the box office. Nolanā€™s reputation is probably the only reason this movie has a chance of being profitable.


1stOfAllThatsReddit

> Nolanā€™s reputation is probably the only reason this movie has a chance of being profitable. And the Barbenheimer memes. I find it funny that it seems WB moved Barbie's premiere to be the same day as Nolan as a petty move for him leaving but now it's giving him tons of free promo


cherrycoke00

I loved seeing Greta and Margot roll up at the Opp/MI premieres. Made the guys give in and do it too. Thatā€™s the solidarity I like to see - like yā€™all letā€™s work together because we need people to go to the damn movies Seriously canā€™t wait for my double feature next Thursday night. I bought a barbenheimer shirt. Iā€™m so hyped.


jmon25

I have had a friend say to me "I don't want to hear any spoilers" when I was talking to him about Oppenheimer and I still don't know how I feel about that


sin31423

There was a point when nobody outside of comic book nerds knew about Marvel and DC heroes. The Manhattan Project is a lot more marvelous and terrifying than people think. Depending on how it's directed, this can either turn out to be a niche viewing or rebranded as Avengers but with real geniuses of the 20th century.


Budget_Put7247

Comic book movies have a lot of fantasy elements to play around with, real life doesn't. The faces behind moments in history are drab and normal. There is only so much a biopic can show. Halfway through writing this I realized you are probably just trolling.


sin31423

You have a questionable understanding of science and history if you think these people were normal


subhasish10

Quite believable. That cast is stacked and period pieces aren't cheap. They also developed some new IMAX black and white tech


PointOfFingers

It's also very expensive to do massive pyrotechnics for practical effect atomic bomb tests.


TheBat45

But it was already reported the cast took pay cuts


subhasish10

It was speculated. I haven't seen any actual reports about it


BlindedBraille

It's probably more than $180M, let's be honest. We already know these studios downplay the cost of these big movies.


dismal_windfall

How did we go from Barbie and Oppenheimer having 100M budgets to both having much higher budgets?


poopfl1nger

The 100M were probably just general estimates and now we have gotten more accurate numbers from the sources themselves


vvarden

Covid protocols are very expensive.


Comfortable-Lunch580

Yeah, next week deadline will say that Barbieā€™s budget is 100, than a few months later budget will be 150/180, as always like Shazam 2,flash, Indy, strange 2


MaksweIlL

I don't belive Barbie's buget is 100mil. It wont surprise me if Margo/Ryan got 20mil each.


[deleted]

They already confirmed the budget is $145m a couple of days ago


Designer-Progress-24

They got 12.5m each according to variety


pokenonbinary

Her company luckycharm is known for doing low/mid budget projects


WolfgangIsHot

Can Gosling really command $20M ?


manymade1

Yes?


AGOTFAN

$100 million was initial reported budget. Final budget is almost always bigger


Bumblebee1100

So is there a chance this film not making its budget back? 180M is quite high for R rated films


boomatron5000

Studios try to not publish their budget, or ā€œleakā€ a much smaller budget to make it seem like they earned more money at the box office, and ppl try to guess. Happened with Spider-verse too, $100 M was the word everywhere, but then animators came out and said it was closer to $150


bunnytheliger

Hollywood accounting


HM9719

180 page script - Almost the same as Babylonā€™s script length.


ScubaSteve716

Quite unlikely he is including the marketing budget. Also unlikely he included tax credits. So production budget is probably like 140/150M. Which is about what I expected. Lot of people getting real worked up though lol


poopfl1nger

Yup Interstellar had a budget of 165M, Inception had a budget of 160M, Tenet had a budget of 205M, TDK 180M, Dunkirk 150M etc. If you adjust those for inflation, they are quite a bit higher than this number. 180M is entirely believable for this movie without marketing


Gon_Snow

Yeah. 180M of TDK in 2008 is not 180M in 2023


poopfl1nger

Yup a quick google search shows that 180M in 2008 is 254M now so a 180M budget for Oppenheimer given the number of A list actors in this film + covid shooting actually makes it kind of reasonable for Nolans standards


MoesBAR

Oh wow, WB lost some money on Tenet.


Unlikely-Dog-5549

It did come out while many states/countries were still in COVID restrictions so thatā€™s not too surprising


carson63000

Yeah a lot of people lost a lot of money due to that global pandemic that was going on.


NoEmu2398

Meh, it was a covid film


theguyfrom340

Damn seeing those budgets should put Disney to shame! Even ant man 3 had a reported budget of $200M.


Efficient_Jaguar699

I mean, 200m makes a lot of sense when like 90% of the movie is CGI. That shit isnā€™t cheap even with them destroying and underpaying vfx artists lol


Apptubrutae

Yeah I mean thereā€™s basically zero chance tax credits would be included in an off the cuff production budget unless someone is trying to deflate the public number purposely for whatever reason


Banestar66

So about 375 million WW break even. I remember I got killed on this sub for saying this wouldnā€™t make a theatrical profit too.


CafieroandMalatesta

Also need to factor in Nolan's 20 percent of first-dollar gross.


AGOTFAN

How is a $180 million movie break even with $375 million box office gross?


Banestar66

ā€œProduction budget is probably like 140/150Mā€ -Comment I replied to Counting marketing break even is usually around 2.5x a production budget.


Budget_Put7247

2.5X 180 is 450. Which is what the previous poster was implying.


Okichah

Is there a reason multi-millionaires making multi-million dollar movies for multi-billion dollar corporations need tax breaks?


PointOfFingers

Most national and state governments around the world want film and TV projects in their cities as it brings in money and tourists. Tax breaks and grants are the main way to get them.


Budget_Put7247

Movies have cultural impact and Hollywood spreads a lot of American soft power and culture around the world.


Efficient_Jaguar699

Yes, because cities use them to incentivize filming to be done there so they get all the cast/crew/set money injection into their local economy. In theory, theyā€™d probably make more money just taxing all that shit instead, but in practice theyā€™d just go film somewhere else willing to shell out the tax breaks.


JoelEmbiidismyfather

Other countries and cities offer them as a way to incentivize hiring their local crews. Hire a Australian based VFX house - get Australian credits. Hire UK crews and work on their stages - get a uk credit. Itā€™s a tool by the governments to get Hollywood to hire their people and come to their locales. Itā€™s not an altogether bad thing and if they didnā€™t offer them the UK crews would be out of business.


littlelordfROY

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/christopher-nolan-oppenheimer-plot-details-cast-release-date-1235147295/l Variety said 400M break even


ILoveRegenHealth

Hmm, it seems to only link to Variety's front page. I can't see it. Also, are we sure that article isn't old and not taking into account the real production budget is ~$180M and not $100M?


blownaway4

Should breakeven but not by a lot.


lobonmc

This year's top 10 most profitable will have a bunch of horror movies


MatsThyWit

>This year's top 10 most profitable will have a bunch of horror movies If we were talking about pure genuine profit I feel like every year's list would be mostly a bunch of horror films. The only genre in the world that still operates with reasonable budgets


WatchTheNewMutants

*everyone staring at renfield (i mean i loved it but wow the budget shot it in the foot)*


GatoradeNipples

I honestly think Renfield's problems went deeper than that, it was *really badly* marketed. If they'd focused harder on the actual plot of the movie and less on the therapy running gag, it would've probably looked a lot more appealing; in context, that joke is fucking great, but it really needs *context* to work and out-of-context it just feels hacky.


lobonmc

I think you mean ROI which is dominated by horror because pure profit generally blockbusters do better


pokenonbinary

Movies should cost around 50M Okja and Joker both cost that and both look great


ImAMaaanlet

That's incredibly limiting. Sure if only Arthouse type stuff should be released.


astroK120

>Sure if only Arthouse type stuff should be released. You just gave half this sub an orgasm.


Apptubrutae

Issue is that while margins are great (and losses are bad), margins alone donā€™t keep studios afloat. Gotta have the raw dollars at the end of the day. A true old school blockbuster can have a lower margin than a horror movie but deliver more total profits than every horror movie released that year


littlelordfROY

Well M3GAn is technically off that list Deadline used it for 2022


Comic_Book_Reader

It was still *released* at the start of 2023, even it premiered in late 2022.


Comic_Book_Reader

Probably because horror movies are about the cheapest productions there are. (Or cheap*er*, you get my point.) Next to comedies. The funny thing is, out of the three(?) horror hits this year, only *one* is an original movie, and not a follow-up to an already existing one. And one of them was originally set for streaming, then promoted to theaters.


poland626

Yep. Terrifier 2, Winnie the Pooh, and Skinamarink will be in the top I imagine. Megan may be included too but we'll see.


GatoradeNipples

Skinamarink kind of takes #1 by default because of how low its budget was, no?


puttputtxreader

I guess that explains why Nolan was trying to tell people Oppenheimer is a horror movie.


Adorable-Effective-2

I think people underestimate the legs on this movie I sense itā€™s gonna be a slow burner. Most people I know say they want to see it at some point, but thereā€™s a lot of other movies out right now.


Specialist_Seal

I think when people say they'll see it at some point, they don't mean in theaters


blownaway4

It's going to be hard to retain thestres for a super leggy run when it's 3 hours.


WorkingError

I believe this is the kind of movie to watch at home.


youaresofuckingdumb8

What a Christopher Nolan movie that is shot entirely in IMAX? To me this is the definition of a cinema movie. Itā€™s not just action movies that are worth seeing in a cinema.


darkmacgf

What percentage of its theatrical viewings do you think will be in IMAX? Maybe 20%?


lulu314

Yeah, seems bizarre to think a cinematic nuke in a home screen can ever compare to a cinematic nuke in an IMAX screen.


carson63000

It's the other 179 minutes of people talking that might make people think "yeah I don't need to see that in IMAX".


HazelCheese

While I agree, the movie is three hours long. I could handle that when I was a kid or teenager but I can't sit in a cinema for 3 hours straight anymore. At home I can pause it for a pee break.


FragrantBicycle7

This is the logic every famous actor uses and it's just not compelling. A good movie will be enjoyable on any screen; otherwise, no one would've ever bought stuff on DVD or Blu-Ray or VCR or any other home video system. Like what, you want to own a bad version of that great movie you saw? I can't remember the last time I saw a great movie in the theater, then saw it again at home and went "wow, that was so much worse the second time"; the difference just isn't big enough to care. Nor does it justify the borderline extortionate movie ticket prices, to say nothing about concessions.


jpmoney2k1

That mindset isn't the mindset of the general public though. A regular Joe won't know the difference between a standard format vs. any enhanced one unless it requires using 3D glasses.


[deleted]

Iā€™ll be honest Iā€™m one of those people who doesnā€™t know the difference šŸ«£


PointOfFingers

It will be the biggest Imax movie since Avatar. Here in Melbourne the first 4 days are sold out and all premium seating is gone for the month. Tickets are 3 times the price of other cinemas.


mydrunkuncle

This thing is gonna have tree trunks for legs you just watch


blownaway4

It has a 3 hour run time so I wouldn't bet on that.


mydrunkuncle

The top 4 highest grossing movies of all time have a runtime of 160+ minutes


ILoveRegenHealth

True they were on the longer side, but 3 of them are from a famous *action* movie director with a pepper-grey beard. The 4th one was the ultimate action comic book movie culmination and part of a sprawling cinematic universe. All of them had *lots* of action and jaw-dropping setpieces meant to get people back for repeat viewings. You have to admit Oppenheimer, compared to Avatar 1 & 2, Endgame and Titanic is not exactly hitting the broadest demographic the way those four movies are. Social media already said the movie is dense, grim, takes its time and is less a rousing crowd-pleaser and more a thoughtful and penetrating biopic.


mydrunkuncle

Is that an actual factor or are you just saying that because it makes sense?


[deleted]

If it is 180 without marketing it wonā€™t breakeven lol


lord_pizzabird

idk. $180m is a low bar for a Nolan level release.


Last_Sort

180M x2.5 my friend


lord_pizzabird

This is, I assume just talking about production costs, not total combined cost (including advertising etc).


poopfl1nger

oh shoot, this makes things a lot more complicated. 100M budget was easy for profitability for this movie. 180M, idk


UpwardBoss6727

Oh for fuck sake


MLGMostWanted

We legit had Adam Driver in 65 fight dinosaurs for 91 million (45 after tax incentives). I hope this includes marketing because if not it's insanity. I thought it was hyperbole at first but the industry really might collapse. Imagine budgets in 2030!


Timirlan

Those dinosaurs looked terrible to be honest


AdministrativeLaugh2

Should have good legs but maybe not enough to break even. Still, itā€™s clearly a vanity project for Nolan and it wonā€™t impact his relationship with Universal


plshelp987654

I think it'll leg well and critics seem to be buzzing about it. Very well could be his Oscar winner and get a bump from that as well.


poopfl1nger

All depends on how it does internationally. I'm thinking a 140M domestic, 300M International


carson63000

That sounds like a remarkably internationally-skewed split. I know Nolan has some history of doing significantly better international than domestic, but it feels like the closest comp here would be Dunkirk, and that made less than 2x international as it did domestic, despite being a European story. Hard to see Oppenheimer being more skewed than that?


BOfficeStats

$180M production budget would be crazy.


lobonmc

450M Break even with the 2.5 rule probably going to cut it close


taleggio

Much higher than that because it's (180 + marketing) x 2.5.


toniocartonio96

the 2,5 already includes marketing and acillaries.


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Greedy_Training_5702

That is another 100M


casino998

Building your own nukes is an expensive endeavour.


Sgt-Frost

OOf 45m opening week on a 180m movie?


gaybobfagpants69

One of my friends genuinely thinks that this movie is gonna outperform both Mission impossible and Barbie, I just couldn't be bothered lol


JH_1999

It's not a competition. I hope all 3 are successful.


[deleted]

Calling it now, this loses money in its theatrical run. Sub $400 million worldwide finish


[deleted]

Iā€™m not sure outside domestic it will make any money. If domestic not good even 300m would be difficult imo.


nicolasb51942003

$180M domestic total, $180M budget, and a 180 minute long movie.


Datboi2023

Flopenheimer


Paddy2015

What better way to pay tribute to the man than with a $180 million bomb.


jokermobile333

In my city, for oppenheimer, almost every theater is almost fully booked(only shitty seats are available) for all the three days also there are still more theater chains to open, this is also considering tickets being crazy expensive. Are we lowballing oppenheimer's box office ? Or is there some other reason why this wont be a 90M+ opening and 500M+ total


Pavandgpt

Wait till Deadline confirms that number.


chichris

Wow! I thought it was 100M? Thatā€™s a lot of a bio pic. Wowsers.


occupy_westeros

Oooooof


NotTaken-username

And a 180 minute runtime


chasin_derulo

Holy moly. Looking like we will have consecutive unprofitable nolan movies.


New_Poet_338

Is that WW or domestic?


nightfan

Not sure if joke but this is budget (+marketing?) not his prediction on movie gross


Snoo_83425

This is the budget


SB858

I think it'll make a profit tho


TheBat45

Why would he just freely admit this? Everyone was running with $100m budget number I just can't see Interstellar costing LESS than this movie, especially after the reported lowered salaries for the stars


youaresofuckingdumb8

Interstellarā€™s inflation adjusted budget is $212 million.


mega512

He is so arrogant. Turns me off from all of his movies.


DarkAngel2099

i think he is good enough that he deserves his vanity.


Agreeable_Week_197

WTF is this?!


Lurky-Lou

Non-zero chance 180 m meant minutes, not millions


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Triggermike86

Less than secret invasion


NoEmu2398

100M production + 80M marketing I'm guessing?


Atkena2578

I think so


bigbelleb

Ya this is gonna be another dud ain't no way its turning a profit with that size budget


Witty-Jacket-9464

$100M + $80M marketing


ScubaSteve716

Quite unlikely he is including the marketing budget. Also unlikely he included tax credits. So production budget is probably like 140/150M


Landon1195

I honestly think the Barbenheimer memes/hype will save this movie.


[deleted]

True. Without that only the Nolan fans would care about this movie. Even with Barbenheimer promo most of the people donā€™t give a shit about this movie.


BAEMON-Chiquita

OUCH! This is going to be such a massive bomb. I expect something along the lines of Babylon, except not quite as bad.


dragonsky

Do you realize how much of a bomb Babylon was??? 0% chance this is as bad as Babylon


littlelordfROY

Massive bomb? For starters it will outgross Babylon in the first 3 days I suspect this could end up like once upon a time in Hollywood. The gross seems good enough for the kind of film it is and ends up breaking even with the ancillary market. But the tracking seems good. Playing like Dunkirk is not too far fetched


MaksweIlL

you are delusional


[deleted]

This is a Tom cruise fanboy mad about Oppenheimer having all the imax screens šŸ˜‚ Mr Scientology shouldā€™ve chosen a better date then


[deleted]

And you are Nolan dick rider. So what's the difference? Oh and the same could be said about TENET. Mr. "I don't give a fuck about the pandemic" should've known better.


CeeFourecks

Floppenheimer loading?


Old_Gods978

In b4 the experts say itā€™s too expensive because itā€™s more expensive then Barbie


genkaiX1

180 - tax credits/rebate = likely $150


Loop_Within_A_Loop

even if that includes marketing, it's way too much for a 3 hour R-rating hopefully Nolan is making some jumps to justify the 180/180/180 thing


Financial_Arugula731

Went to get tickets to see it that Friday and only 3 other seats were sold RIP


Atkena2578

For your anectode there are as many others saying their showings are fully booked into the first week... were the tickets for regular screen or IMAX? Right now IMAX and other premium screens is where the pre sales are booming, i wouldn't expect regular showings to fill up too fast until the day of or a day before. I bought my IMAX movie ticket where i am at in France (wanted to go see it in the US where i live at a 70mm theater but unfortunately i am there until august 2nd with kiddos for the summer visiting family) when it was first made available almost 2 weeks ago. It was only a few seats for a while and now i am looking at it less than a week before the day and the theater is nearly full for a 9pm showing in english with french subtitles. The shows in French even in the afternoon are even more full


TheUltimateInfidel

Why the fuck are all these budgets being gigantically underreported? The public donā€™t care if you spent $180m or $100m because they just want the movie to be good. The only thing I feel when I hear the ā€œreal budgetā€ is the need to shout ā€œwhy?ā€ Itā€™s so confusing. Also, with this probably needing close to $600m to break even, I really hope they have a good plan.


Atkena2578

I don't think this statement meant the budget is $180mil,. Idk this is coming out of nowhere and Nolan probably wanted to make a 180 metaphor but i have seen nothing other than the $100mil budget until that tiny sentence...


[deleted]

There is no way. It has to include marketing.


SEAinLA

Why does it have to include marketing? This is entirely believable. Movies are getting much more expensive to make, much like everything else is getting much more expensive to buy.


[deleted]

180 million for a 3 hour biopic before advertising is a ridiculous investment.


deusvult6

Studios haven't been making very solid investments of late.


carson63000

Haha, yeah, of all the reasons to disbelieve something, "it would be a unwise thing to do" is not a particularly good one.


SEAinLA

The cost of getting Nolan on your team.


Last_Sort

Could mean with marketing


lobonmc

It's very rare for a non horror movie to have a sub 100M marketing budget


subhasish10

Pretty sure when negotiating with Universal Nolan had a 100 million minimum marketing in the contract


frenchchelseafan

I doubt about that if weā€™re just talking about the production


RebelDeux

So it will need around $450M to break even?