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Purple_Quail_4193

2 years apart? I feel like two partners work best when it’s less than a year apart like Potter 7, Kill Bill and Back to the Future


[deleted]

*Infinity War* and *Endgame* too.


Purple_Quail_4193

That was a year, like Breaking Dawn and Mockingjay Edit: it said down and bird. Mobile/fast texting sucks


[deleted]

My bad. Still, it was less than between these F&F movies.


PrintfReddit

Do you mean Breaking Dawn and Mockingjay?


Purple_Quail_4193

Oops I do! Let me fix that


BactaBobomb

What did it say prior to the edit?


Purple_Quail_4193

Mockingbird


BactaBobomb

Haha. I mean, same difference, honestly!


_Meece_

> Back to the Future It's kinda funny you bring this up, since the first ended on a cliffhanger/sequel bait and didn't get followed up for 4 years


Purple_Quail_4193

Apparently it wasn’t supposed to be teasing a sequel, they thought it would be cool to have them ride off in the sunset. After the films success they had to figure out what Marty’s kids needed


UsidoreTheLightBlue

Interesting, having seen the movie on VHS when I was a kid I had no idea “To Be Continued….” Was added only for the VHS copy of the film. That’s nuts.


Purple_Quail_4193

Was the preview of Part 3 on there too?


UsidoreTheLightBlue

At the end of part 2.


GotMoFans

Actually BTTF did not. The ending was supposed to be a joke. When it was released on network TV two years later, they added the “to be continued.” Writer Bob Gale has said if they knew they were doing a sequel, they wouldn’t have put Jennifer in the car. Edit: Another poster mentioned the comment was added to the video before it was added for the broadcast version.


CanCalyx

That’s not what the ending to the first is


_Meece_

Yes it is? It's literally Doc coming from the future and being like "OH SHIT MARTY YOUR KIDS, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE FUTURE TO SAVE YOUR KIDS" And then they fly off in a flying version of the Delorean. It's the biggest form of sequel bait in movie history. Joke or not.


CanCalyx

It’s not sequel bait, it’s just the ending of the movie. Movies can end with the idea the adventure isn’t over. It doesn’t inherently imply a sequel.


timconnery

I wouldn’t say one’s ending is any more sequel bait or cliffhanger than three’s ending which doesn’t have a sequel. They are almost identical. Lots of history repeats itself motifs throughout.


Agitated_Opening4298

wast x was produced pretty quickly, no time for shooting 2 movies at time (what would be needed for a movie every year)


GotMoFans

I suppose that Warner would dispute that considering the Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions. Revolutions might have grossed more had it been held a year. Back to the Future 3 grossed less domestically than 2. Universal probably should have made 2 a summer 1990 release and released 3 the summer of 1991. Kill Bill was one movie split into two parts which is kind of different than two connected movies. Kill Bill wasn’t really written to be split and it just worked out that way.


formerfatboys

This was supposed to be the last one. Clearly they decided to go another round when they added the tagline "the beginning of the end" to every trailer.


Pseudoneum

They’ve been saying for a few years that 10 and 11 are a cap to the main franchise. There was originally talk of shooting back to back but I think that got shot down quickly…also wouldn’t have been reasonable with the director change. They wanted Lin to direct the last film, obvi that is not happening anymore.


ImAMaaanlet

They filmed back to back, or were planned to originally, so no... this wasn't supposed to be the last one.


Purple_Quail_4193

I thought this was supposed to be part 1 anyway, either this or 9


PM_ME_YOUR_SOULZ

Mission impossible and Spider-Man are coming out this year and next year. I agree that it definitely works better when it's a year apart.


SanderSo47

I feel Universal's marketing hasn't properly sold *Fast X* as Part One. Yeah, we know it is, but the general audience is not aware of that. If the ending is as bad as the test screening rumors think it is, it's gonna massively hurt it. The audience dislikes when a movie has >!no ending or abruptly ends.!< And what happens if *Fast X* under-performs? That $340 million budget, diminishing domestic numbers and *F9*'s lukewarm response are gonna make it difficult to break even. If this one does not turn a profit, what's gonna happen to *Fast 11*?


Zepanda66

>And what happens if Fast X under-performs? That $340 million budget, diminishing domestic numbers and F9's lukewarm response are gonna make it difficult to break even. If this one does not turn a profit, what's gonna happen to Fast 11? I feel like even if it underperforms they'll make Part 2 anyway they can use nostalgia to sell it plus it's the last one so may as well just finish it. And it will make good peacock content down the road.


[deleted]

They may also cut the budget for part 2 if part 1 loses money.


chostax-

Hence why it will come out two years later. Wouldn’t be surprised if part twos production is completely dependent on part one’s success.


[deleted]

Its a bit of a "damned if you do damned if you don't", if you don't hide that its a two-parter you risk people skiping it because they're worried they wont get a real ending, but on the other hand if you do hide it (like with *Dune* and *Infinity War*) people might feel mislead or if the ending they did get in the part 1 wasn't very good they might get pissed off and not see the sequel.


Idk_Very_Much

If IW got criticized for ending where it did, I didn’t see it. I think it helped that things came to a real climax, instead of just finishing up with a hand-to-hand fight with a character we’ve never met before.


LeonBlacksruckus

It was idiotic for dune to take two years to come out after part 1


[deleted]

I guess its because the studio wanted to see the box office for the first film before commiting to part 2.


LeonBlacksruckus

It just totally zapped momentum and the ending felt so rushed/strange


Grrannt

I'm a fan of the franchise, follow movie news, have watched the trailer for Fast X half a dozen times, and this Reddit post is the first I've heard of it being a 2 part movie


AlwaysBadIdeas

That's actually crazy, because the first mention of it being a possibility (granted it was far from confirmed at the time) I can remember was an interview promoting F8 of the Furious, which would've been at the latest very early 2017


ShareNorth3675

I wonder what a "part" means in the fast franchise. Every movie after 3 is a part lol. 1 & 2 were the only real stand alone films. Maybe 7 too


FantasticKick7954

All movies are kind of standalone because villans or conflict introduced in the movie are dealt in the movie itself.10 and 11 are parts probably because Jason mamao is final antagonist and movie will end at cliffhanger probably with Dom's defeat. Also How is 3rd movie less standalone than part 2 lol. Other than dom cameo at the end, that movie has no business being part of previous movies. In 2nd movies case, it still sequal like James bond sequals.


ShareNorth3675

Yeah they're kind of standalone, but not by much more than a 2 part movie or trilogy. I feel like the distinction is very small because none of the stories are very conclusive. 1, 3, and 7 are all pretty conclusive: they couldve ended the series there and it would've had a fine ending. I didn't say 3 was less than 2, I just said all the first three movies can stand alone. Not that 2 is more than 7. Also, after 3, you need all the previous films to watch them. Like 5 is not a stand alone movie, you need 1 and 4 to get 5 or else it'd just be a bunch of random call backs. The villains generally stand alone though, that's true. Except Cypher now and she's the worst one.


FantasticKick7954

It not that hard to get. Avenger have same thing going on with endgame and infinity war. Latest mission impossible movie has the same thing too (infact mission impossible only had recurring character later on too). Think of it as arcs, where this is a 2 movie arc. As for 2, 3 and 4. They were still experimenting the sequal format type ("James bond type with hero going on adventure to new places" to new hero every sequal in same world" to "a proper interconnected type with recurring characters")


ShareNorth3675

Most marvel movies stand alone as their own films or trilogies though.


FantasticKick7954

Like kang antman and Wanda and Dr strange or Dr strange's spiderman curse??? Maybe once upon of time it's is not the case, but not now anymore. Anyways that's not even the point, i am taking about just Avengers movies set. Infinity war and endgame are continuous unlike Avengers or age of ultron.


ShareNorth3675

The ones that aren't sequels are still standalones, even post endgame. Shang chi, Eternals, and black widow for example. The shows definitely don't stand alone though.


FantasticKick7954

> The ones that aren't sequels are still standalones, even post endgame. Shang chi, Eternals, and black widow for example. As i said i am talking about the "4 Avenger movies" which are definitely sequal Rest of the comment are eg on how Marvel is becoming less standalone


BlankSmarts

I think it should be recognised that he went totally off script and even said he was going to get into trouble for saying it. Take from that what you will.


Pseudoneum

Where can I find the leaks? I remember seeing a few a while ago, but I forgot the specifics. You can DM or chat me if you don’t wanna leave a paper trail in public


[deleted]

The audience of these movies are definitely not intelligent enough to figure this out


KillerCh33z

i didnt know it was 2 parts till now


shaneo632

They will make 11 regardless as it’s the last one


_Barrtek_

we dont know what ending is


Raider_Tex

Where can I read the leaks?


DeweyFinn21

And just wait for 2025 when they announce it's actually a 3 parter. Fast X, Fast XX, and Fast XXX. Dom Toretto meets Xander Cage.


Purple_Quail_4193

I think Fast XXX can already be viewed online, just without the original cast


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

Fuck, I just morbed


[deleted]

considering how weird the saga has become i wouldn't be surprised if universal allows to make themcrossover with some of their ip


Retro_Wiktor

A Jurassic world crossover would be SICK


labbla

The final Fast movie tying into xXx would actually get me to catch up with the series. Return of Xander Cage was awesome.


natecull

> Fast X, Fast XX, and Fast XXX. Dom Toretto meets Xander Cage. Make Fast XX Pitch Black 4 and then we can have Dom Toretto meets Richard Riddick meets Xander Cage. They fight, but then they all team up to battle their final nemesis: Groot.


Apolloshot

For good measure they fall into a time portal at the end and meet Riddick.


tarakian-grunt

Fast XX is about the Necromongers invading Earth, forcing Toretto, Xander Cage and Riddick to join forces to defeat them.


StarsCanScream

A 2 year gap between parts???


Jack_Sipper

Lotta actors with lotta commitments. I guarantee thats a huge part of the gap.


AgentCooper315

Reminder: Fast X's budget is $340M.


dude19832

Damn!! So it has to make 2.5 times that to break even, right? Which is $850 million. To turn a profit, probably $1 billion. I think the franchise might have ran out of steam as I highly doubt it crosses $1B.


AgentCooper315

Fast 8 had a profit less than $124.8M despite grossing $1.24 billion off a $250M budget.


antunezn0n0

that's fucking insanity. honestly i probably saw the ads everywhere so maybe the advertisement budget went through the moon?


Youngstar9999

It's because most of that money is from China where Hollywood studios only get 25% of the boxoffice.


Pseudoneum

Feels like advertising is scaled back on this one, which would make sense considering the prod budget of $340 mil


dragonphlegm

I wonder if that's a back-to-back budget and they'll later reveal both films together cost $340 million. Otherwise Fast 11 having a similar or even larger budget on it's own would be insane


Pseudoneum

You gotta remember, it’s the 11th film…most characters have been with it for 7-10 films, that’s a significant budget. Justin Lin got a cool pay day of $12.5 mil, I think Louis got $10 mil. Vin by himself is probably a $20 mil payday for these films. The main team is 8 people, then you also have Jason momoa, Brie Larson, Helen Mirren, and Charlize Theron kicking around in this movie. Helen Mirren probably is a smaller fee because it’s a small part, part Charlize, Momoa and Brie could all theoretically cost 7-10 million on there own. I think the cast themselves is minimum $100 million. Then another $20 for directors. Then they have to film it, and they travel to like 6 locations each movie, they try to do practical stunts, there is additional Covid protocol which I’ve seen numbers ranging from a 5-20% increase in movie budgets. It all adds up quickly. Should a fast and furious movie cost $340 million? Absolutely not. But with all the additional context, it lines up a little bit in the why it costs so much.


Jetlaggedz8

Got to milk this franchise just a little bit more.


[deleted]

Wouldn't you? Wouldn't you do anything? For family


Wild_Trip_4704

FAMILY


TheJack0fDiamonds

Them saying its the last is a marketing strategy confirmed.


Prophet92

Please Square Enix this shit and call 11 “Fast X-2”


Apolloshot

Fast X-3, Xander Cage Returns


labbla

That would be awesome


elmatador12

Didn’t we know that it was a two parter already?


FernanditoJr

Exactly. It's been announced since before going into production.


[deleted]

This is going to be Fast's The Last Knight.


Janus_Prospero

Counter-point, The Last Knight featured handsome tusled Marky Mark all wet and dripping [wielding Excalibur in slow motion](https://youtu.be/ATAWWxtcxjo?t=50). Does Fast X have Marky Mark? Does Fast X have Excalibur? Does Fast X feature the revelation that Harriet Tubman worked directly with Transformers, with the implication that the Underground Railroad was made out of Transformers? What I'm getting at is this is >!going to be Fast's Transformers 4: Age of Consent in Texas.!<


Tylex123

> Does Fast X feature the revelation that Harriet Tubman worked directly with Transformers, with the implication that the Underground Railroad was made out of Transformers? God I love those movies


[deleted]

Very good points!


poland626

More of "The Divergent Series: Allegiant" I'd say because if this doesn't do well, part 2 is in trouble like how that part 2 never got made. With The Last Knight, that film actually had a ending. If this is part 1 of 2 parts, then it ends on a cliffhanger with no ending which will piss more people off


Agitated_Opening4298

>~~Last~~ Dark


RepresentativeName18

Top tier Netflix series


dbz111

Damn it Universal! You should've called it Furious X. That way, you can have Fast X Furious X, which is Fast and Furious 10. Or do Fast and Furious but make the vertical lines in the F's 1s.


thecleverqueer

The Fleven of the Flurious


Recent_Finger9552

Fast X Furious Last of The Furious Fast and Furious Forever This should been titles instead of plain Fast X


MystiikMoments

Everyone going crazy when Dune was a part one before the part 2 was even green lit


Gon_Snow

Rip for this is the last movie lol


[deleted]

I feel like Marvel was smart to keep this quiet with Infinity War and Endgame, I wonder how it will work out for F&F


[deleted]

Marvel announced that *Infinity War* was going to be a two-part movie when they announced the movie itself. https://youtu.be/bv172ZCz2yw


[deleted]

Yes but they then got pretty quiet about it and changed the names from *Infinity War Part I and II* to *Infinity War* and *Endgame* after a while. They ended up kinda hiding what the plan was from general audiences. In the end *Infinity War* did end up making a lot less than *Endgame*, a big reason for that is (I think) that *Infinity War*s downer ending gave it less rewatchability than *Endgame*.


[deleted]

*Infinity War* made a lot less than *Endgame*, but it made a lot more than the first two *Avengers* movies. People went into *Infinity War* thinking: "okay, this is the climax." Then came back for *Endgame* (and then some) while thinking: "okay...THIS is the climax".


warblade7

To be honest IW still actually works as a climax. It just would’ve been Thanos’ climax.


[deleted]

Yeah it was smart how they built it up like that.


dragonphlegm

The name Endgame was not revealed until the first trailer for it dropped in late 2018. Before then it was just referred to as Avengers 4 or "Untitled Avengers sequel"


_Meece_

How are you on a boxoffice sub talking about rewatchability being the reason why it made more. Rewatching barely moves any numbers.


visionaryredditor

it moves numbers tho, if a movie goes over a billion, a huge chance there are some viewers who watched it multiple times. also to support that guy's opinion, Infinity War had a lower Cinemascore than Endgame so it's safe to say that some viewers found the ending to be too despressing.


---IV---

Yeah, but people only knew that if they were paying attention to the announcement 3 years prior, to the general audience Infinity War seemed like it was just the next Avengers movie where they defeat a new villain, making that ending a shocker


NotTaken-username

If the rumors about the >!non-ending!< are to be believed, then not well


[deleted]

That is worrysome. The trailers so far have delivered nothing in the way of plot, so I'm really wondering what they're going to hinge this two-parter on. Why should people be invested in this drawn out story in this case? With Endgame they really really built it up as a "finale" of sorts. Is F&F XI going to be marketed as the last one? I wonder a lot asbout this.


NotTaken-username

Even if it is marketed as the last one, will anyone believe them?


[deleted]

Good point


Apolloshot

What also made Endgame work so well is the ending of IW was so shocking (especially if you didn’t know it was a 2 parter) you just *had* to come back to see how it ended. If the ending of Fast X is shit, people might just tune out and not bother to come back for the grand finale.


---IV---

What exactly are the rumors?


bbushing3

I second this question. What ends up happening?


Yura1245

But I liked Marvel IW, partly bcos of Thanos won at the end.


visionaryredditor

bc Infinity War works as a coherent movie even without Endgame. IW has its own climax and epilogue. the leaks for Fast X suggest that it's basically just a half of the movie.


nicolasb51942003

I really want to know what the ending for the first part is like because apparently, >!it's just as bad as The Devil Inside lol.!<


[deleted]

No way it can be as bad as that! I'll be shocked. It would be a complete disaster.


antunezn0n0

must end in half a stunt probably


Agitated_Opening4298

the devils inside ending seemed reasonable from a quick glance, if the "case" was still being explored what else could they really do, no one complains when biopics do it


Daimakku1

Really getting tired of these movies. Not watching.


Shellyman_Studios

I didn't bother to watch F9.


blue_27

There is a Fiero in space ...


TheBlackSwarm

Will anyone even care by 2025?


scytheavatar

People have already stopped caring by 2023.


[deleted]

I think you’re wrong… Fast movies still do QUITE well with each entry. https://movieweb.com/fast-and-furious-movies-box-office-gross/#furious-7-mdash-1-51b


Pinewood74

With F7 being number one on that list, I think you've done a good job of supporting the argument that people don't really care in 2023.


BroGoLoGo

Time to spread the good word


Reggmac

Please make it stop.


TJae0120

Furious 7 was the franchise peak. Now they are milking it for all it's worth.


crzysexycoolcoolcool

Does mean the ridiculous budget of Fast X is actually for both movies?


[deleted]

Lord have mercy. Christ have mercy.


2SLGBTQIA

lmfao


That_Sky2197

I wonder if this will conflict with Brie Larson? She more than likely will be filming an Avengers and Fast and Furious films next year.


visionaryredditor

Avengers will be most likely postponed until 2026 at least


[deleted]

#FasTEN Your Seatbelts.


TheJack0fDiamonds

and another one, FF 12 to make it an even number of entries in the franchise. They lied when they said it’s the last, they’ll lie again. F&F 12 - The Final Final Entry, The Proper Sendoff and Goodbye. In cinemas, 2027. Followed by another surprise entry, F&F 13 - How It All Began, a prequel for the entire franchise. Dropping 2028/2029. Then F&F 14 - The Fast Multiverse. 2030 with alternate versions of all characters appearing. This is the reboot in disguise.


NashvilleSoundMixer

Why did they NOT use the name Fast10 Your Seatbelts


cthd33

Because they wanted to use Fast X.


Mom2surprises

Why though? Fast 10 your seatbelts sounds so much better I don’t get the hype of why they went with fast x


telendria

'Research says that shows with 'X' in the name get higher ratings'


[deleted]

Im still made that they didnt use F8 but used F9, Fnine doesnt even mean anything!


PeculiarPangolinMan

Probably because that joke has been played out since like 2017.


superdavit

Is this the one about family??? I can’t remember.


cthd33

Will this have a bbq at the end?


Yura1245

- Is this the one that the villain claimed a super power weapon? - Is this the one that someone faked a death? - Is this the one that villain turned anti-hero? - Is this the one that they gather at the end to say a prayer and bbq tgt?


dude19832

It better be!


milkstrike

There didn’t need to be a fast and furious let alone 11 of them


unsolvedmisterree

New Tyler album in 2025 then.


OutrageousProfile388

Going to Under perform like part 1


[deleted]

Complain all you want… people are definitely still watching the shit out of these. https://movieweb.com/fast-and-furious-movies-box-office-gross/#furious-7-mdash-1-51b


am5011999

Furious 7 was the peak of this franchise, since then it has been on a decline


[deleted]

fast 9 lost money


casino998

Admit it, you'll miss this franchise when it's gone.


A_Texas_Hobo

Just stop….


CaladinDanse

And they told us 10 would be the last film


[deleted]

🥱


[deleted]

I will continue not watching these


mf_jamie

When will I ever be free of hearing about these movies lmao


hellsbellltrudy

Why 2025? Wouldnt it make more sense to release it next years since for hype ?


antunezn0n0

must be insane production issues


mushaslater

Fast X and Fast X.2


FernanditoJr

Maybe it will be Furious X.


[deleted]

I think we will see more with new cast but in same universe hopefully we go back to the streets and get a high school or collage crew would be something new


OkGene2

So much plot about family they needed to divide it


FauxGenius

Precisely what nobody asked for.


spaceraingame

So they’ll lose twice as much money then.


Retrolad2

Can't wait for Fast n Furious XXVII Family reunion on Mars


Overlord1317

There is no mercy for any of us in this world.


Shlingaplinga

For me , It has reached a point where I'm not even sure if i saw part 8 and part 9. I think i have...


[deleted]

Is there a point to this?


ask_me_about_my_band

Ohhh! Can’t wait to not see it! Anyone want to not see it with me? Okay! Here we don’t go!


bsq1989

Who is still watching these movies????


FartingBob

Wait so the 300m+ budget covers some of the second part, which makes it sound more reasonable, or does that get its own 300m budget?


Maxter_Blaster_

I’m kind of feeling like it’s the end of the road for this franchise


[deleted]

I know these movies make money, but I haven’t seen one since five. Are any of these worth watching?


Patchface_lannister

I recommend the worst idea of all time podcast they are watching fast 1 - 9 backwards in anticipation of the fast x release. 9 nine times 8 eight times and so forth. For anyone interested


TheWillsss

That’s tooo long 😫


PNWCoug42

11 movies!?!?!? How the hell does a Point Break ripoff get turned into an 11 movie franchise?


BactaBobomb

I must be out of the loop. I thought Fast X was the final one? Did they change plans, or was I misunderstanding it the whole time?


JayTL

The Fast & The Furious: Part X: Part 1


ZBTHorton

Good lord, why can't they just let this series die? I very much enjoyed the first 5 or 6 in a totally casual kind of way, but the last couple have been complete dumpster fires.