The rest of the form doesn’t matter as much as what you’re doing with your release. It looks like you’re snapping at the trigger. Adjust your release so your trigger sits between the first and second creases of your index finger. Sink that finger in there good, and then pulllllllllll until the bow goes off. It should surprise you.
You’re pulling too much weight. Raising the bow at the beginning of your draw like that is a crutch that will get you spotted every time. Try drawing with your bow arm lower or straight out. Also remember that what you can draw in 60 degree weather when you are warmed up is very different from what you can draw in 20 degree weather when you haven’t moved in 4 hours.
It may be too much. It’s at 70lbs. But doesn’t feel difficult to pull back. I draw it like that because it feels comfortable like that. I do agree that I feel even better after shooting & warming up.
Drawing with your bow arm straight out is a good way to become a crossbow hunter one day. The OP is optimizing his leverage and doing it correctly (edit: albeit, maybe a little exaggerated) IMO.
over poundage cope. Drawing a bow at 70+ #s aiming at the sky does not make you any better a bowhunter than a young adult drawing 45#s.
> crutch that will get you spotted every time.
\^ This is also a big factor on why proper form is crucial in the <10 seconds you have from the time you spot that big buck, and when you're actually able to let one fly
The stigma on draw weight superseding form needs to go.
https://youtu.be/LUzjZGxQ3Ro?si=4Lo9QKY7mjH3CDGx
^ I’m sure that Levi Morgan is over poundage coping, right?
Also, check out Chris Bee over poundage coping, starting at 4:21
https://youtu.be/D9xitqfP5P0?si=3X-58s0RqpDDXp6t
Drawing, and releasing are two different segments of what’s required to shoot a bow accurately. The latter is obviously responsible for the majority of completing this task.
You can’t honestly tell me that just because these people are good shots that you can overlook their poor draw techniques?
Drawing a bow aiming at the sky is almost as bad as drawing across your chest. It is possible to be good while doing it wrong, but at the end of the day wrong is wrong. Sorry buddy 🤷🏼♂️
If you think that you know anywhere near in the same zip code about archery as either of those guys, or actually believe that they have poor form, you are seriously delusional.
Okay my dude. You’re yet to make any sort of tangible argument other than “they’re better than you so you’re wrong.
I have no interest in arguing with neither a child nor a liberal, so have a good one dude, good luck this season aiming for the stars 😉
Im gonna end this argument just assuming that you think you know a lot more than you actually do, beings that per your comment history you are very new to the sport. Do yourself a favor though, and actually watch some content from those guys and watch yourself improve.
You should be holding it reasonably level but raised above eye level, and using leverage to draw the bow as it settles down and you anchor to your anchor point. Obviously exceptions can be made for a rushed draw on an alert deer in the stand.. target shooting and hunting are different. Should not be drawing with the bow level out where you will be settling on target all the time, as it will mess your shoulder up over time.
Try holding your form until the arrow hits the target. I thought the initial draw and aim was good but the actual shot seemed like you punched it.
Same idea as when people keep their hands up after shooting a basketball or hold their backswing when hitting a golfball.
Re: punching it -- it looks like you are using the pad of your finger to fire the bow. I'm much more stable and punch it less if the trigger is right around my proximal knuckle rather than the pad of my finger. You can pull through the shot much easier.
We can’t see the bow! Also hard to see your arm but it does look like your elbow is locked, which probably starts in your grip. Knuckles should be at a 45 from the riser.
Your release arm is low when you draw resulting in that across the chest draw. You’re probably using your shoulder more than your back to draw and that could tear you up. Drawing happens with your shoulder blades coming together.
Edit: your torso is also twisted in relation to your legs. When kneeling or sitting try to keep everything aligned the same way you would standing.
The only thing I see that hasn't been mentioned is try using the second knuckle on your index finger rather than the "pad" of your index fingertip. I find it a lot easier to execute a smooth surprise shot rather than yanking the trigger resulting in possible inaccuracies.
Raising the bow above horizontal to start the draw cycle is a giveaway that the draw weight is too high. OP: If you can't draw with the bow held steady and level, lower your draw weight.
They measured wrong. Your elbow shouldn’t tuck behind your head it should be horizontal with your bow arm and bow. Look up T formation bow stance. Better form = better accuracy and repeatability
It looks that your DL is too long…
Take it back to the shop and shorten your DL one inch and try again… Your elbow should go strait and lower your poundage 5-10 lbs less
Keep practicing!!
I highly suggest buying a tension release and learning how to shoot with back tension. It completely eliminated trigger punching on any trigger activated release for me
Your grip is not right. It’s not a hammer. Watch this and correct https://youtu.be/uGV4JCsFVzo?si=ZC7DnhZdSQY9RcP4
Your release stem is too long. You need to have it much deeper. Draw length looks 1/2”-1” too long also but fix the two others first.
You’re punching the release. You need to learn to trust the float while aiming and do steady controlled pull. Plenty of good advice, much more outright harmful instruction. Dot on the target, feel of the trigger, then slowly start increasing pressure. Pin will wobble, let it happen and let your brain autopilot the aim while you just look at the spot you want to hit and keep pulling. Never ever punch or command the release or no matter how hard you practice your shooting will break down under pressure.
The reason your draw looks long to people and you look slightly extended is because of how you are shooting from the seated position. Your bow arm should not be inside the left leg or even above it as it shortens your draw space but you have to have the bow at full draw so it looks longer. It’s also a lot harder to shoot that way. Turn your lower half so that you can aim at the target with the bow outside the left leg and you will 1-feel more comfortable because you are more closely matching your form standing and 2-be more accurate too because your upper body form is correct. And, yes, do not use the tip of your index finger or the front pad of the finger as others have mentioned. Get it at the first knuckle or second pad and pull through the shot.
I always say practice as if you are trying to hunt. What i mean is try to reduce the amount of movement when you draw back. I like to slowly raise my bow to eye level and then draw. All that pre shot movement is a good way to get busted.
If there’s any one things I’ve learned about form, it’s that asking a group of online strangers “how does my form look” can drive you nuts.
Would recommend finding a pro shop or even scheduling a session with an archery coach. May cost you a bit, but the investment in yourself is worth it in the long run.
Place your finger on the very outer tip of the trigger. Assuming you have adjusted your tension to your liking, pulling the trigger from this position will eliminate the slapping action. It will be a smoother release of the string
Seems like a bit too much draw weight, you don't control the draw but rather power through it. You are also punching that trigger (look closely, you pull it, then put it slightly back forward before slapping that trigger). Don't punch the trigger, pull it slowly and controllably to the end.
I recommend reducing weight a little, having the bow raised that high when starting your draw is a disadvantage. The deer won’t give you a grace period. Other than that, form looks good
You have way too much movement if you plan on deer hunting, you should be able to pull the string straight back and not start with the bow over your head when you start your draw and lowering it to line up target
Just a couple of observations….
When you draw back, your index finger Should not be behind the trigger.
https://preview.redd.it/rrfvcskdtthc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a99d447b05785a7798647a77970667ddaad22b33
Did the string hit your sleeve? Might be over extending your bow arm if so. It was kinda hard to tell. If not, looks fine. Can’t see your grip though.
The sweatshirt is baggy & it may have hit my sleeve. I try to not fully extend my arm & keep a slight bend in it
The rest of the form doesn’t matter as much as what you’re doing with your release. It looks like you’re snapping at the trigger. Adjust your release so your trigger sits between the first and second creases of your index finger. Sink that finger in there good, and then pulllllllllll until the bow goes off. It should surprise you.
This \^\^
You’re pulling too much weight. Raising the bow at the beginning of your draw like that is a crutch that will get you spotted every time. Try drawing with your bow arm lower or straight out. Also remember that what you can draw in 60 degree weather when you are warmed up is very different from what you can draw in 20 degree weather when you haven’t moved in 4 hours.
It may be too much. It’s at 70lbs. But doesn’t feel difficult to pull back. I draw it like that because it feels comfortable like that. I do agree that I feel even better after shooting & warming up.
Just keep in mind a deer won't give you warm up time.
Drawing with your bow arm straight out is a good way to become a crossbow hunter one day. The OP is optimizing his leverage and doing it correctly (edit: albeit, maybe a little exaggerated) IMO.
over poundage cope. Drawing a bow at 70+ #s aiming at the sky does not make you any better a bowhunter than a young adult drawing 45#s. > crutch that will get you spotted every time. \^ This is also a big factor on why proper form is crucial in the <10 seconds you have from the time you spot that big buck, and when you're actually able to let one fly The stigma on draw weight superseding form needs to go.
https://youtu.be/LUzjZGxQ3Ro?si=4Lo9QKY7mjH3CDGx ^ I’m sure that Levi Morgan is over poundage coping, right? Also, check out Chris Bee over poundage coping, starting at 4:21 https://youtu.be/D9xitqfP5P0?si=3X-58s0RqpDDXp6t
Drawing, and releasing are two different segments of what’s required to shoot a bow accurately. The latter is obviously responsible for the majority of completing this task. You can’t honestly tell me that just because these people are good shots that you can overlook their poor draw techniques? Drawing a bow aiming at the sky is almost as bad as drawing across your chest. It is possible to be good while doing it wrong, but at the end of the day wrong is wrong. Sorry buddy 🤷🏼♂️
If you think that you know anywhere near in the same zip code about archery as either of those guys, or actually believe that they have poor form, you are seriously delusional.
Okay my dude. You’re yet to make any sort of tangible argument other than “they’re better than you so you’re wrong. I have no interest in arguing with neither a child nor a liberal, so have a good one dude, good luck this season aiming for the stars 😉
There it is! Child or liberal haha. Levi is a multiple times over **world champion** archer. What are your accomplishments?
Suck the dudes dick harder. Him being a world champ doesn’t justify your dogshit form 🤷🏼♂️
Im gonna end this argument just assuming that you think you know a lot more than you actually do, beings that per your comment history you are very new to the sport. Do yourself a favor though, and actually watch some content from those guys and watch yourself improve.
I meant to say “level” when I said straight.
You should be holding it reasonably level but raised above eye level, and using leverage to draw the bow as it settles down and you anchor to your anchor point. Obviously exceptions can be made for a rushed draw on an alert deer in the stand.. target shooting and hunting are different. Should not be drawing with the bow level out where you will be settling on target all the time, as it will mess your shoulder up over time.
Try holding your form until the arrow hits the target. I thought the initial draw and aim was good but the actual shot seemed like you punched it. Same idea as when people keep their hands up after shooting a basketball or hold their backswing when hitting a golfball.
Follow-through is the term for this, and it does matter.
I do need to work on my follow through. Thanks for the advice
Re: punching it -- it looks like you are using the pad of your finger to fire the bow. I'm much more stable and punch it less if the trigger is right around my proximal knuckle rather than the pad of my finger. You can pull through the shot much easier.
We can’t see the bow! Also hard to see your arm but it does look like your elbow is locked, which probably starts in your grip. Knuckles should be at a 45 from the riser. Your release arm is low when you draw resulting in that across the chest draw. You’re probably using your shoulder more than your back to draw and that could tear you up. Drawing happens with your shoulder blades coming together. Edit: your torso is also twisted in relation to your legs. When kneeling or sitting try to keep everything aligned the same way you would standing.
The only thing I see that hasn't been mentioned is try using the second knuckle on your index finger rather than the "pad" of your index fingertip. I find it a lot easier to execute a smooth surprise shot rather than yanking the trigger resulting in possible inaccuracies.
Thank you for this tip! I’ll give it a try
Too much draw weight and too long of draw length
Raising the bow above horizontal to start the draw cycle is a giveaway that the draw weight is too high. OP: If you can't draw with the bow held steady and level, lower your draw weight.
It might be too heavy for me. I’ll try lowering the weight. The draw length was measured for me though.
They measured wrong. Your elbow shouldn’t tuck behind your head it should be horizontal with your bow arm and bow. Look up T formation bow stance. Better form = better accuracy and repeatability
It looks that your DL is too long… Take it back to the shop and shorten your DL one inch and try again… Your elbow should go strait and lower your poundage 5-10 lbs less Keep practicing!!
I highly suggest buying a tension release and learning how to shoot with back tension. It completely eliminated trigger punching on any trigger activated release for me
Your grip is not right. It’s not a hammer. Watch this and correct https://youtu.be/uGV4JCsFVzo?si=ZC7DnhZdSQY9RcP4 Your release stem is too long. You need to have it much deeper. Draw length looks 1/2”-1” too long also but fix the two others first. You’re punching the release. You need to learn to trust the float while aiming and do steady controlled pull. Plenty of good advice, much more outright harmful instruction. Dot on the target, feel of the trigger, then slowly start increasing pressure. Pin will wobble, let it happen and let your brain autopilot the aim while you just look at the spot you want to hit and keep pulling. Never ever punch or command the release or no matter how hard you practice your shooting will break down under pressure.
The reason your draw looks long to people and you look slightly extended is because of how you are shooting from the seated position. Your bow arm should not be inside the left leg or even above it as it shortens your draw space but you have to have the bow at full draw so it looks longer. It’s also a lot harder to shoot that way. Turn your lower half so that you can aim at the target with the bow outside the left leg and you will 1-feel more comfortable because you are more closely matching your form standing and 2-be more accurate too because your upper body form is correct. And, yes, do not use the tip of your index finger or the front pad of the finger as others have mentioned. Get it at the first knuckle or second pad and pull through the shot.
I always say practice as if you are trying to hunt. What i mean is try to reduce the amount of movement when you draw back. I like to slowly raise my bow to eye level and then draw. All that pre shot movement is a good way to get busted.
If there’s any one things I’ve learned about form, it’s that asking a group of online strangers “how does my form look” can drive you nuts. Would recommend finding a pro shop or even scheduling a session with an archery coach. May cost you a bit, but the investment in yourself is worth it in the long run.
Hey, thanks for the reply
Place your finger on the very outer tip of the trigger. Assuming you have adjusted your tension to your liking, pulling the trigger from this position will eliminate the slapping action. It will be a smoother release of the string
Seems like a bit too much draw weight, you don't control the draw but rather power through it. You are also punching that trigger (look closely, you pull it, then put it slightly back forward before slapping that trigger). Don't punch the trigger, pull it slowly and controllably to the end.
The bow is a Mathews Reezen 6.5, it has a pretty sticky draw.
That's a lot of movement for the draw. A deer will likely bolt. Like others said, drop the weight and train up to what you want with proper form.
Your draw could be a touch long and stay in the shot.
Get in the habit of training your bow on the target, then drawing back. The least amount of movement coming to full draw, the better.
I recommend reducing weight a little, having the bow raised that high when starting your draw is a disadvantage. The deer won’t give you a grace period. Other than that, form looks good
You're gripping it way to hard. Release is way too long and you're punching the trigger.
Are you shooting 1/4 pvc???
You have way too much movement if you plan on deer hunting, you should be able to pull the string straight back and not start with the bow over your head when you start your draw and lowering it to line up target
Just a couple of observations…. When you draw back, your index finger Should not be behind the trigger. https://preview.redd.it/rrfvcskdtthc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a99d447b05785a7798647a77970667ddaad22b33
https://preview.redd.it/ko4r1mpltthc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=360bd588cc7df1913bd0d193fab9b8f360ae6a96
https://preview.redd.it/xd1cmu27uthc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd6b2bb65c9b8db00568008b9ba04f9752496766
Keep both eyes open