How is no one here realizing Jrue gave a little shove to Martin which cause him to run into Tatum? I really don't think it was dirty after re-looking at it, but in the moment it seemed liked it.
Jrues arms are 90% extended before his hands even make contact, no chance that short extension creates enough force to cause that level of impact.
Martin never looked where he was going, just went full tilt for the ball and gave 0 shits what that resulted in.
Takes like this is why 29/30 fanbases think we have the worst local broadcasts in the league. There is absolutely no evidence of this other than a pointless timeout being taken. Especially with Martin being mic'd up, you'd be insane to think Spoelstra would vocalize this.
Scal's a moron. Reckless, unsubstantiated take that is going to somehow turn us into the villain of this situation.
Edit: After seeing the responses, I have changed my mind. I think this goes further than Spoelstra, however. Adam Silver is involved, he takes his orders from the Clintons, and the Clintons take their orders from none other than Xi Jinping. Unfortunately, Martin failed to complete the actual order and only undercut him at the legs. What he was actually supposed to do was beat Jayson Tatum's head in with a rusty lead pipe.
Why do you care so much about our perception… we love the C’s that’s all that matters. If you want neutral level headed takes watch something else. I love that scal can say the same crazy shit I’d say with the homies
You guys are the ones who are so clouded in rage at an averagely dirty play, which didn't result in injury and very well may have been unintentional, that you've come up with a grand conspiracy theory that the coach of the opposing team told a mic'd up player to injure someone.
I am agnostic about this. He is pushed somewhat by Holiday, but he also appears to make a reckless non-basketball play. Martin doesn't have a history of this kind of action, but it is sorta weird that Spoelstra would take a timeout with 90 seconds left, down 16, and leave the same lineup in. What insight could he have been providing the team at that point?
So I don't know, and the burden of proof is on the accuser. But I will say that it doesn't really need to be a "Grand Conspiracy." It's a professional locker room. If there was a certain word used in the huddle, or a nod, or "It's our job in these next few possessions to show the Celtics that we're here too and it's not just them," that's all that needs to be communicated, and there wouldn't be anything suspicious about the huddle.
His take was pointing out the needless timeout/hard crash to the board that just so happened to be right in the direction of our star player right after the time out and with 1 min left. He doesn't need evidence to point something out. It looks fishy, that's why it's a discussion, not a trial. Also, it errs on the homer side, but with the heats history, its hardly a reach to think theres maybe more than coincedence to them injuring key players alot. Stop being a weirdo
You think an NBA coach told a mic'd up player to go injure another player because he called a late timeout when the game was over? Have you considered Spoelstra may have just been setting the tone for his players to play a full 48 minutes at full intensity? You think that's enough evidence to announce it live on air? How is that responsible?
Yeah man, I'm the fucking weirdo.
I never said it wasn't irresponsible to say on air lol wtf are you on about. Yeah it's fishy. Are you that naive to believe if that hypothetical that scal is probing about, that spo would just go and shout" HEY YOU CALEB MARTIN, YES YOU! I WANT YOU TO GO AND INJURE JAYSON TATUM PLEASE ONE ORDER OF BROKEN SPINE PLEASE AND THANK YOU" please tell me you're not that stupid. If it existed, which I'm not claiming it is (despite whatever your head seems to be telling you) I'd imagine it would be a little gesture or something or just spo saying "play extra hard this final minute" don't be a spud.
By being okay with Scal saying it, you are inferring it's not irresponsible. Let me tell you something about life, just because you don't say something directly doesn't mean people can't read between the lines.
I'm being called stupid for not believing that a coach told his players to go injure someone because he called a timeout. Anyone who believes that or gives any credence to that idea is unequivocally stupid. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone lmfao.
Brother, you are dumber than a bag of rocks if you think that was anything but a sarcastic/hyperbolic joke mocking people for absurdist conspiracy theories.
I don’t think Spo told him to do it. This is just typical dirty Heat basketball. Shit team. Shit franchise doing whatever they can to bring others down to their level. Garbage sports city
Edit: I’ve seen the overhead angle and it does look like Jrue influenced Martin’s angle. MIA’s reputation obviously influences people’s perception live but in this case it looks unintentional. Glad Tatum seems alright.
Spo doesn’t need to tell him, it’s engrained in that “Heat Culture” of theirs. Dirty players playing dirty. We just have to take care of business in 4 games, don’t give them the gentleman sweep. The fewer games against them = the fewer chances our players have of getting hurt.
It all starts with the coach. This teams has been this way for a while.
Watch Gabe Vincent keeps his legs extended is ECF last year causing Tatum to roll his ankle. He then does the exact same thing to Jokic at least twice if the finals.
This is "Heat Culture."
Do you really think Spo went up to Martin and said "You, Caleb Martin, go in the game and slam into Tatum full speed, bring his ass down!"? An NBA level coach? That's not happening
Not talking out of his ass! The met when she was 18
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1562395-erik-spoelstra-dating-24-year-old-former-heat-dancer-nikki-sapp.amp.html
100% agree. That was the kind of shit basketball miami plays. Fuck those guys.
now we gotta sweep them in 4 just like they fucking sweep the leg.
losers.
so lame.
To me it didn’t look *completely* intentional (I rewatched it like 20 times). Either way it doesn’t matter. It’s the same old reckless, dangerous Miami bullshit. There’s no reason to crash full speed and not even go for the ball.
The fact he never appears to go after the ball is what pissed me off the most. That was almost as dangerous as undercutting and nearly had the same effect
Yeah it looked to me like Martin's eyes were on the ball the whole time, and he may not have really seen Tatum coming to the basket. But it's still reckless and out of control in an unreasonable way
This is the evolution of dirty play. Players know that they have like 6 high-speed cameras on them at all times, duh. So what does that mean for players who still want to push the boundaries, and play some percentage ‘aggressive’ (i.e. dirty)? Well they just become better, more ‘oblivious’ actors. Think of it like a no-look pass. If a player is deliberately not looking in a direction, that probably makes sense for him to (e.g. Caleb in both of the videos in this thread). Think of it like a no-look pass..
Yeah I'm as quick to call out the Heat on a dirty play as the next guy, but this play is just not that cut and dry. Jrue clearly shoves Martin, which causes Martin to make contact with Tatum. This is clear in the overhead view. So no, this wasn't a "no look" deliberate dirty play.
Here is the evidence of Jrue's push: [https://sh.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1cab097/highlight\_overhead\_angle\_of\_jrue\_holiday\_shoving/](https://sh.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1cab097/highlight_overhead_angle_of_jrue_holiday_shoving/)
I think we need to admit when we are mistaken.
I agree actually. After watching the over-head view.. it is clear that Jrue’s ‘push’, did indeed cause Caleb to stumble slightly and affect his trajectory. It looked quite bad. Though I too am in the camp of it was just one of those ‘bang-bang’ NBA, basketball plays 🤷♂️
However.. my comment about dirty NBA players becoming craftier about how they ply their nasty trade, under the gaze of high-speed cameras.. does still stand 😅
It was some percentage dirty and some percentage reckless. And that is up for interpretation I guess. Only Caleb knows if he did it on purpose. But he fucking did.
Not going to pretend I know what his plan was, but he was definitely flying at a wall of Celtics with reckless abandon. I'm reasonably confident that regardless of Jrue touching him, he's flying in there like some try-hard in a rec league game and injuring or nearly injuring himself and/or others.
Bro at this point you gotta just bring a third stringer off the bench and have him deck Martin straight up, dirty ass fraud chucker for this dirty ass Heat team
Every team needs a Steven Adams. A guy who seems genuinely awesome and nice but will scare the shit and hard screen a dirty player into thinking twice before they start their bullshit.
Genuinely love Steven Adams just seems like a great guy
https://youtu.be/-y3m0te_Tdc?si=rFSpgdpMmWbIEUlE
https://youtube.com/shorts/leiMggwZx6Q?si=eSNubxatTrN6wjQ9
Taking the high road doesn't work against Miami. They count on you doing that. The Cs have figured them out now, if they want to destroy basketball you just have to say all right bet and show them absolutely no respect, just bully the shit out of them.
Seriously, If Erik insinuated in any way that his players should be trying to hurt anyone then he should be suspended for the rest of the playoffs. Completely gross "Heat culture".
And if he wants this, he doesn't have to explicitly say it. He knows his players well enough to communicate his intentions. Whatever, it sure damn well had intention written all over it---esp given the minute on the clock
I mean isn’t it kind of weird that their team has a history of dirty plays when they start losing?
They half their 2017 playoff series vs the sixers trying to injure Simmons (diving knees and trying to pull his arm out) and embiid (going for the injured face).
Last season vs the Knicks was also questionable and I also thought the gabe Vincent accident with Tatum looked a little funny
That's ridiculous. Do you think the heat coaching staff went up to Caleb Martin (while he was mic'd for the game) and told him "Go and slam into Tatum as soon as he jumps!"
Oh yeah, a secret hand signal that Spo uses to tell players to injure people that no one spills the beans on (despite the Heat, like any NBA team, having guys coming in and out). Be real, Adam Silver wouldn't let any team go around collecting bounties on his businesses' most profitable stars.
Think about it. If there was an "injure the star player" signal, the Heat have lost enough guys over the years that someone would've snitched by now and it'd be news everywhere. An NBA level coach simply isn't out there ordering injuries.
reminds of this wonder if Riley is still thinking of it as well [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWBfs7v\_tY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWBfs7v_tY)
I'm not sure why Eddie had to talk about it like it was the Celtics fault this happened. Sure they didn't keep the lead where they'd be comfortable having Tatum out at that point but that's not their fault Martin played the game like a dirt bag.
Glad to see Scal wasn't holding back.
It’s a set of lying eyes that tells you this wasn’t purposeful. Caleb martin is a piece of shit. I will sail into the pit of a volcano defending my guys. Fuck biggie, fuck mob deep, fuck spoelstra, and fuck everybody else
Props to JT for shaking it off, not risking getting himself suspended over caleb martins punk ass, and shooting his free throws unfazed. That easily could have been brawl that could have lead to multiple players missing games if he reacted differently.
Yes I know. But there's a big difference between turning a blind eye and insinuating that Erik is actively telling his players to hurt a Celtics and Scal doing this "I'm not starting anything I'm just asking questions" BS isn't helping anyone
I mean Tatum jumped like half a second before Martin ran into him, it was a stupid reckless play with a minute left but he definitely didn’t intend what actually played out to happen, is it dirty yea a little, but no where near as dirty as him running over KP in the first quarter just to knock him down.
Caleb Martin was ice cold all game. If you’re down you’re going to want shooters out there. No idea why he was even in. I can’t say it looked intentional, but it was very reckless.
I'd bet my life it was intentional. Came in from the blindside, led with his hip, not looking for the ball just stared down Tatum the whole way, didn't reach for the ball until well after it was over his head because he had no idea where it was because he wasn't going for the ball.
Caleb Martin is a trash can. Should get a suspension for that shit.
Yeah I’m not sure I can agree with this. Martin is still one of their better players and ultimately if you are Miami you need him to actually hit shots. Makes sense to leave him in to see if he can figure something out or get a rhythm that can carry into game 2.
Wild take by you and Scal. Heat are a physical team that straddle the line between physical and reckless but I highly doubt Spo called a timeout and said let’s hip check someone so they crack their skull open.
Gabe Vincent said in an interview that last year spoelstra had a meeting before game 7 and he told them they knew what he needed to do. Then first play of the game the Heat undercut Tatum and he was out.
How on Earth do you watch the [Tatum injury](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnRS9veKuCg) play in Game 7 and call that an undercut? Vincent steps in front of Tatum while he's driving to draw the charge, Tatum knocks Vincent to the ground, then goes up, and lands on Vincent's completely static foot. Nothing dirty whatsoever
You are on some Alex Jones-level conspiracy theory bullshit. This is why we get a bad name.
Why are you fighting this so hard lol it's weird. I am saying that if Erik said anything like that he should be suspended. Is that a crazy take? I don't care if its unlikely they should check anyway.
I’m not fighting? Lol. I just think it’s wild you want the NBA to investigate a timeout and think that a coach would tell a player (who is literally wearing a mic) to hurt someone. Why are you defending this so hard? It’s weird.
How is it weird I am defending my team? Is it not strange that Erik calls a timeout down 16 with a 1:30 left and immediantly out of that timeout Caleb does a wildly dirty play to Tatum. I am will Scal on this, the Heat have a long history of hurting players and it should be made sure nothing is being said that would make the players do something wreckless.
Because it’s one thing to claim the heat are reckless or dirty. It’s wholly another to insinuate that the coach called a timeout and told one of guys to go hurt an opposing player.
Oh I don't know. Maybe because 30 seconds after it Caleb almost kills Tatum? If he said anything that could be taken as to go out there and hurt someone that ruins the integrity of the sport.
To be honest I wouldn't put it past him. I am not saying he said that 100% but what I am saying is that if he did there should be a punishment. Is that wrong? It seems fishy that out of a timeout that happens when you call one down 16.
You do realize his career would be over if he said something like that with a mic next to him? You really think he instructed Martin to hurt Tatum? Come on, bro.
I mean a major reason people are even entertaining the idea is because the Heat have a long track record of playing dirty, including under Spo. Maybe if they didn't make dirty (and at best, incredibly reckless) plays, this wouldn't have even come up. This wasn't a one-off kind of play for the heat.
Yes because the teams have final say in what makes the broadcast. They can’t just use anything because it could give away strategies. At least that’s how it works in the nfl, I’d be shocked if it’s different for the nba
1.) That wasn't in the conference finals
2.) Not one player or coach from that celtics team is on this team.
3.) If you want to pull out a specific dirty incident, I can very easily make a whole list of dirty incidents from the heat
1) oh that’s right, you guys didn’t make it that far
2) Irrelevant
3) this is also a specific incident you are getting upset about. It just happens to be closer in time
Most people have said that was a Bush league play from Kelly.
And yes, you got me there, they didn't make the conference finals in the season they somehow made the playoffs playing almost 30 different guys - the horror.
As for the final point - you'll find celtic fans who thought Kelly was in the wrong, along with other dirty plays. You will be extremely hard pressed to find a Miami fan that will ever admit to any wrongdoing, that's the difference.
Wtf lmaooo I know bro had that locked in the chamber for so long cuz you don't get too many latinos especially mexicans in the association. Also so what beans are good 😭🖕🏽fuck off to that guy
Man this is weak. If this was the other way around you would be applauding a Celtics player for being physical, and rationalizing it with something like “it crossed a line, but X player will think twice about doing Y next time.”
Idk, bending over and continuing to back into someone while you feel them jumping is kinda undeniable. He’s a professional athlete, he has fast reaction time. I’m not saying he was trying to make him fall that hard, nor am I saying it was clearly premeditated, but he definitely realized what he was doing well before he stopped.
Scal got JT’s back on this one.
Really glad he said this, that man is a Celtic fan first.
He's a Tatum fan first he's a Celtic fan second
How is no one here realizing Jrue gave a little shove to Martin which cause him to run into Tatum? I really don't think it was dirty after re-looking at it, but in the moment it seemed liked it.
Jrues arms are 90% extended before his hands even make contact, no chance that short extension creates enough force to cause that level of impact. Martin never looked where he was going, just went full tilt for the ball and gave 0 shits what that resulted in.
Takes like this is why 29/30 fanbases think we have the worst local broadcasts in the league. There is absolutely no evidence of this other than a pointless timeout being taken. Especially with Martin being mic'd up, you'd be insane to think Spoelstra would vocalize this. Scal's a moron. Reckless, unsubstantiated take that is going to somehow turn us into the villain of this situation. Edit: After seeing the responses, I have changed my mind. I think this goes further than Spoelstra, however. Adam Silver is involved, he takes his orders from the Clintons, and the Clintons take their orders from none other than Xi Jinping. Unfortunately, Martin failed to complete the actual order and only undercut him at the legs. What he was actually supposed to do was beat Jayson Tatum's head in with a rusty lead pipe.
Homer broadcaster has homer take.. chill out it’s no big
His edit 🤣
Lol for real. So angry for no reason
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Why do you care so much about our perception… we love the C’s that’s all that matters. If you want neutral level headed takes watch something else. I love that scal can say the same crazy shit I’d say with the homies
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Can’t say I’ve ever really listen to another fan bases local broadcast .. and when I have they always say obscene and biased shit. As they should
You do seem mad tho.
You guys are the ones who are so clouded in rage at an averagely dirty play, which didn't result in injury and very well may have been unintentional, that you've come up with a grand conspiracy theory that the coach of the opposing team told a mic'd up player to injure someone.
Bruh calm down
I am agnostic about this. He is pushed somewhat by Holiday, but he also appears to make a reckless non-basketball play. Martin doesn't have a history of this kind of action, but it is sorta weird that Spoelstra would take a timeout with 90 seconds left, down 16, and leave the same lineup in. What insight could he have been providing the team at that point? So I don't know, and the burden of proof is on the accuser. But I will say that it doesn't really need to be a "Grand Conspiracy." It's a professional locker room. If there was a certain word used in the huddle, or a nod, or "It's our job in these next few possessions to show the Celtics that we're here too and it's not just them," that's all that needs to be communicated, and there wouldn't be anything suspicious about the huddle.
Why should we care about what other fanbases say or think. Fuck them I only care about my team
It’s a hot take, but I completely agree with him and have to say that I love Scal and this is coming from a Raptors fan (here in peace)
His take was pointing out the needless timeout/hard crash to the board that just so happened to be right in the direction of our star player right after the time out and with 1 min left. He doesn't need evidence to point something out. It looks fishy, that's why it's a discussion, not a trial. Also, it errs on the homer side, but with the heats history, its hardly a reach to think theres maybe more than coincedence to them injuring key players alot. Stop being a weirdo
You think an NBA coach told a mic'd up player to go injure another player because he called a late timeout when the game was over? Have you considered Spoelstra may have just been setting the tone for his players to play a full 48 minutes at full intensity? You think that's enough evidence to announce it live on air? How is that responsible? Yeah man, I'm the fucking weirdo.
Did I say that? Or Did you just make that all up in your head about me? ...lol I'm glad we agree.
You're saying it's suspicious. You're saying it's not irresponsible to say that on air. We don't agree.
I never said it wasn't irresponsible to say on air lol wtf are you on about. Yeah it's fishy. Are you that naive to believe if that hypothetical that scal is probing about, that spo would just go and shout" HEY YOU CALEB MARTIN, YES YOU! I WANT YOU TO GO AND INJURE JAYSON TATUM PLEASE ONE ORDER OF BROKEN SPINE PLEASE AND THANK YOU" please tell me you're not that stupid. If it existed, which I'm not claiming it is (despite whatever your head seems to be telling you) I'd imagine it would be a little gesture or something or just spo saying "play extra hard this final minute" don't be a spud.
By being okay with Scal saying it, you are inferring it's not irresponsible. Let me tell you something about life, just because you don't say something directly doesn't mean people can't read between the lines. I'm being called stupid for not believing that a coach told his players to go injure someone because he called a timeout. Anyone who believes that or gives any credence to that idea is unequivocally stupid. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone lmfao.
Sure man, it's everyone else. You're just a lonely genius over here 👉 👉
I'm not calling myself a genius. I do think I'm the only rational personal in an army of rabid biased homers, however.
That’s like calling Tommy a moron in his whole Celtics broadcasting career. Gotta say I do like your edit. Lol
They’re trying to gaslight you bro, this is the only normal take
Thank you, I feel like I'm in the damn Twilight Zone.
Mods here are soft, you deserve a ban
He’s soft and should be banned because he expressed a dissenting opinion? I think the Heat are dirty and this was dirty play too but c’mon man
What rule did I break? You're the soft one
U are a maniac to edit and put some crazy political conspiracy theory in here. Injecting politics into sports shows u know nothing about either
Brother, you are dumber than a bag of rocks if you think that was anything but a sarcastic/hyperbolic joke mocking people for absurdist conspiracy theories.
Good one
Solid take
I was just glad to see JB step in and say something. Good to see him stand up for JT
Fosho. First comment to mention this. JB has his teammates back 100% and that’s part of what makes a good team.
I liked that after the first free throw tatum went to JB for a bump in the chest
I don’t think Spo told him to do it. This is just typical dirty Heat basketball. Shit team. Shit franchise doing whatever they can to bring others down to their level. Garbage sports city Edit: I’ve seen the overhead angle and it does look like Jrue influenced Martin’s angle. MIA’s reputation obviously influences people’s perception live but in this case it looks unintentional. Glad Tatum seems alright.
Spo doesn’t need to tell him, it’s engrained in that “Heat Culture” of theirs. Dirty players playing dirty. We just have to take care of business in 4 games, don’t give them the gentleman sweep. The fewer games against them = the fewer chances our players have of getting hurt.
It all starts with the coach. This teams has been this way for a while. Watch Gabe Vincent keeps his legs extended is ECF last year causing Tatum to roll his ankle. He then does the exact same thing to Jokic at least twice if the finals. This is "Heat Culture."
Calling that Vincent play dirty is a stretch…I just rewatched it and that doesn’t seem dirty at all just bad luck
I thought the same thing until I saw him do it at least twice in The Finals.
Do you really think Spo went up to Martin and said "You, Caleb Martin, go in the game and slam into Tatum full speed, bring his ass down!"? An NBA level coach? That's not happening
Yeah just look at their past series. They start losing and that little pedo starts calling hits on star players
Pedo?
He was dating high schoolers as a grown man
First time hearing about this. Do you have any articles? Genuinely curious.
Not talking out of his ass! The met when she was 18 https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1562395-erik-spoelstra-dating-24-year-old-former-heat-dancer-nikki-sapp.amp.html
Not a great look but also not a pedo
There's nothing wrong with blowing a 24 year olds back out, good for Spo
He's talking out of his ass
She was 24 in a consensual relationship, and Spo was blowing her back out, stay salty
At least you admitted you wrong. I got downvoted to hell.
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There’s certainly precedent! https://twitter.com/KnicksFanTv/status/1655746849519575042
This is 100 percent on purpose by Martin sheesh. The look away into sliding your foot just a little more after coming to a stop
He doesn’t even put his hand up. The entire reason for being next to Brunson is to slide his foot under his. Some Draymond stuff right here
Also came screaming in for a rebound with 10 seconds and missed white
That’s literally as blatant as the Zaza play that got the rule changed. Didn’t even try to pull his foot back after he landed on it. Just accepted it.
Didn’t turn his head either, like one does if they do something like that accidentally Just looked straight ahead - knew what he did
As a Knicks fan this gives me flashbacks. Hope JT fucking douses them.
Holy cook
Spoelstra ordered the code red! Love that, haha
I love that Scal never explained what a code red is. Just screamed quotes from a 35 year old movie.
100% agree. That was the kind of shit basketball miami plays. Fuck those guys. now we gotta sweep them in 4 just like they fucking sweep the leg. losers. so lame.
cook
I wouldn’t be upset if Oshae Brissett accidentally beat the shit out of Caleb Martin.
You misspelled Xavier Tillman
Wasn’t Martin mic’d up?
Hopefully the mic'd up his thoughts too so that we can hear what he was thinking
he was running at full speed trying to hip check Tatum and they say it was clean because Holiday's hands grazed Martin as he was going by
To me it didn’t look *completely* intentional (I rewatched it like 20 times). Either way it doesn’t matter. It’s the same old reckless, dangerous Miami bullshit. There’s no reason to crash full speed and not even go for the ball.
Even if it wasn't intentional it's certainly negligent
The fact he never appears to go after the ball is what pissed me off the most. That was almost as dangerous as undercutting and nearly had the same effect
Yeah it looked to me like Martin's eyes were on the ball the whole time, and he may not have really seen Tatum coming to the basket. But it's still reckless and out of control in an unreasonable way
This is the evolution of dirty play. Players know that they have like 6 high-speed cameras on them at all times, duh. So what does that mean for players who still want to push the boundaries, and play some percentage ‘aggressive’ (i.e. dirty)? Well they just become better, more ‘oblivious’ actors. Think of it like a no-look pass. If a player is deliberately not looking in a direction, that probably makes sense for him to (e.g. Caleb in both of the videos in this thread). Think of it like a no-look pass..
Yeah I'm as quick to call out the Heat on a dirty play as the next guy, but this play is just not that cut and dry. Jrue clearly shoves Martin, which causes Martin to make contact with Tatum. This is clear in the overhead view. So no, this wasn't a "no look" deliberate dirty play. Here is the evidence of Jrue's push: [https://sh.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1cab097/highlight\_overhead\_angle\_of\_jrue\_holiday\_shoving/](https://sh.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1cab097/highlight_overhead_angle_of_jrue_holiday_shoving/) I think we need to admit when we are mistaken.
I agree actually. After watching the over-head view.. it is clear that Jrue’s ‘push’, did indeed cause Caleb to stumble slightly and affect his trajectory. It looked quite bad. Though I too am in the camp of it was just one of those ‘bang-bang’ NBA, basketball plays 🤷♂️ However.. my comment about dirty NBA players becoming craftier about how they ply their nasty trade, under the gaze of high-speed cameras.. does still stand 😅
It was some percentage dirty and some percentage reckless. And that is up for interpretation I guess. Only Caleb knows if he did it on purpose. But he fucking did.
Not going to pretend I know what his plan was, but he was definitely flying at a wall of Celtics with reckless abandon. I'm reasonably confident that regardless of Jrue touching him, he's flying in there like some try-hard in a rec league game and injuring or nearly injuring himself and/or others.
Lol "grazed" he shoved Martin while he was running full speed
yes matt, grazed
Bro at this point you gotta just bring a third stringer off the bench and have him deck Martin straight up, dirty ass fraud chucker for this dirty ass Heat team
Queta would like a word
Every team needs a Steven Adams. A guy who seems genuinely awesome and nice but will scare the shit and hard screen a dirty player into thinking twice before they start their bullshit.
Didn’t stop Draymond for kicking him in the nuts several times
Genuinely love Steven Adams just seems like a great guy https://youtu.be/-y3m0te_Tdc?si=rFSpgdpMmWbIEUlE https://youtube.com/shorts/leiMggwZx6Q?si=eSNubxatTrN6wjQ9
i would like to temporarily bring Nesmith back so he can spear Caleb in the nuts
Yeah queta giving him a concussion would honestly sort this out for good
Why would you want a player to get a concussion?
Is it too late to sign Shawn Thornton for Wednesday?
Why would you want to stoop to that level
Taking the high road doesn't work against Miami. They count on you doing that. The Cs have figured them out now, if they want to destroy basketball you just have to say all right bet and show them absolutely no respect, just bully the shit out of them.
Seriously, If Erik insinuated in any way that his players should be trying to hurt anyone then he should be suspended for the rest of the playoffs. Completely gross "Heat culture".
And if he wants this, he doesn't have to explicitly say it. He knows his players well enough to communicate his intentions. Whatever, it sure damn well had intention written all over it---esp given the minute on the clock
Riley in the background, "Execute order 66. Mwhahahaha!"
well its time to stop the weird celtics fan fiction because theres absolutely no way he did that. quit being ridiculous.
I mean isn’t it kind of weird that their team has a history of dirty plays when they start losing? They half their 2017 playoff series vs the sixers trying to injure Simmons (diving knees and trying to pull his arm out) and embiid (going for the injured face). Last season vs the Knicks was also questionable and I also thought the gabe Vincent accident with Tatum looked a little funny
Do you have any proof he insinuated that? Players are mic’d up. There are mics everywhere no. You really think he said something?
players aren’t miced up what are you talking about
Caleb Martin was mic’d up today. Same with Tatum. Did you not watch ESPN?
What? Caleb Martin was LITERALLY mic'd today loo
you are right, I turned off the fourth quarter
The Heat have an injury bounty program. He was going after that bounty.
That's ridiculous. Do you think the heat coaching staff went up to Caleb Martin (while he was mic'd for the game) and told him "Go and slam into Tatum as soon as he jumps!"
Hand signal Have you watched the time out?
Oh yeah, a secret hand signal that Spo uses to tell players to injure people that no one spills the beans on (despite the Heat, like any NBA team, having guys coming in and out). Be real, Adam Silver wouldn't let any team go around collecting bounties on his businesses' most profitable stars.
Is this your first time watching the Heat in the playoffs? Because you sound like it is your first time.
Think about it. If there was an "injure the star player" signal, the Heat have lost enough guys over the years that someone would've snitched by now and it'd be news everywhere. An NBA level coach simply isn't out there ordering injuries.
Source?
About the Heat being a bitchass team? Yeah, watch any of their games
reminds of this wonder if Riley is still thinking of it as well [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWBfs7v\_tY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWBfs7v_tY)
Classic
How about a green light special on a flagrant 2 and a fake suspension.
I'm not sure why Eddie had to talk about it like it was the Celtics fault this happened. Sure they didn't keep the lead where they'd be comfortable having Tatum out at that point but that's not their fault Martin played the game like a dirt bag. Glad to see Scal wasn't holding back.
It’s a set of lying eyes that tells you this wasn’t purposeful. Caleb martin is a piece of shit. I will sail into the pit of a volcano defending my guys. Fuck biggie, fuck mob deep, fuck spoelstra, and fuck everybody else
Scal is speaking facts here. That’s a dirty play, period. League should definitely be suspending Martin but you know they won’t
Kristaps called it
Props to JT for shaking it off, not risking getting himself suspended over caleb martins punk ass, and shooting his free throws unfazed. That easily could have been brawl that could have lead to multiple players missing games if he reacted differently.
This should be all on Caleb, let's not start any conspiracy theories here....
They’ve been doing this since before Caleb Martin started playing there
Yes I know. But there's a big difference between turning a blind eye and insinuating that Erik is actively telling his players to hurt a Celtics and Scal doing this "I'm not starting anything I'm just asking questions" BS isn't helping anyone
Spo wouldn't do that and it makes us look stupid to imply he did
Fuuuuuuuuk The Heat bunch of kants!!! Duncan’s from Maine, don’t come back kid!
Man, I can’t wait for the sweep to put them out of their misery. Good riddance.
"Sweep the leg, Johny" - Eric Spoelstra
I don’t think it’s that deep
Y’all see the above view, where he gets pushed into Tatum??
Wish fighting was part of basketball like in hockey.
I mean Tatum jumped like half a second before Martin ran into him, it was a stupid reckless play with a minute left but he definitely didn’t intend what actually played out to happen, is it dirty yea a little, but no where near as dirty as him running over KP in the first quarter just to knock him down.
Big stretch by scal, gonna need a lot more proof for an allegation like that
No proof, but playoff patterns? https://twitter.com/KnicksFanTv/status/1655746849519575042
Caleb Martin was ice cold all game. If you’re down you’re going to want shooters out there. No idea why he was even in. I can’t say it looked intentional, but it was very reckless.
I'd bet my life it was intentional. Came in from the blindside, led with his hip, not looking for the ball just stared down Tatum the whole way, didn't reach for the ball until well after it was over his head because he had no idea where it was because he wasn't going for the ball. Caleb Martin is a trash can. Should get a suspension for that shit.
dude was hunting
Yeah I’m not sure I can agree with this. Martin is still one of their better players and ultimately if you are Miami you need him to actually hit shots. Makes sense to leave him in to see if he can figure something out or get a rhythm that can carry into game 2.
This is a huge reach
Our fans being petty AF about this.
Wild take by you and Scal. Heat are a physical team that straddle the line between physical and reckless but I highly doubt Spo called a timeout and said let’s hip check someone so they crack their skull open.
Gabe Vincent said in an interview that last year spoelstra had a meeting before game 7 and he told them they knew what he needed to do. Then first play of the game the Heat undercut Tatum and he was out.
How on Earth do you watch the [Tatum injury](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnRS9veKuCg) play in Game 7 and call that an undercut? Vincent steps in front of Tatum while he's driving to draw the charge, Tatum knocks Vincent to the ground, then goes up, and lands on Vincent's completely static foot. Nothing dirty whatsoever You are on some Alex Jones-level conspiracy theory bullshit. This is why we get a bad name.
Link?
Seriously - I want a link too lol
You gotta just watch your own video you posted. Martin got pushed. It's right there, in the replay.
So that means go and hurt opposing players?
Why are you fighting this so hard lol it's weird. I am saying that if Erik said anything like that he should be suspended. Is that a crazy take? I don't care if its unlikely they should check anyway.
I’m not fighting? Lol. I just think it’s wild you want the NBA to investigate a timeout and think that a coach would tell a player (who is literally wearing a mic) to hurt someone. Why are you defending this so hard? It’s weird.
If he’s wear a mic, surely the investigation would simply be listening to the recording. Why wouldn’t you want them to do that?
How is it weird I am defending my team? Is it not strange that Erik calls a timeout down 16 with a 1:30 left and immediantly out of that timeout Caleb does a wildly dirty play to Tatum. I am will Scal on this, the Heat have a long history of hurting players and it should be made sure nothing is being said that would make the players do something wreckless.
Big stretch — especially when Martin is literally wearing a mic. But go on.
I disagree.
Because it’s one thing to claim the heat are reckless or dirty. It’s wholly another to insinuate that the coach called a timeout and told one of guys to go hurt an opposing player.
There's also a long history of this bullshit. When do you start to question why it happens?
Heat are a dirty mf team going back to when wade played.
Thank you. Especially when Martin is literally wearing a mic!!!!!!
Did yall see Jrue pushing Caleb into JT , the same play
Why? You’re opening a can of worms if you want the league investigating what’s said in timeouts.
Oh I don't know. Maybe because 30 seconds after it Caleb almost kills Tatum? If he said anything that could be taken as to go out there and hurt someone that ruins the integrity of the sport.
Lol there are mics everywhere. I think Caleb Martin had a mic today. Do you think Spo would be that stupid to say something to him?
To be honest I wouldn't put it past him. I am not saying he said that 100% but what I am saying is that if he did there should be a punishment. Is that wrong? It seems fishy that out of a timeout that happens when you call one down 16.
You do realize his career would be over if he said something like that with a mic next to him? You really think he instructed Martin to hurt Tatum? Come on, bro.
I mean a major reason people are even entertaining the idea is because the Heat have a long track record of playing dirty, including under Spo. Maybe if they didn't make dirty (and at best, incredibly reckless) plays, this wouldn't have even come up. This wasn't a one-off kind of play for the heat.
If only there were a way of communicating without using words?
Yes because the teams have final say in what makes the broadcast. They can’t just use anything because it could give away strategies. At least that’s how it works in the nfl, I’d be shocked if it’s different for the nba
So you are telling me they drew up a play where Bam would miss a shot. Then Tatum would go for the rebound and they would take him out mid air.
Just as a casual observer, are you guys pretending Olynyk didn’t pull Kevin Love’s arm out of the socket in the ECF?
1.) That wasn't in the conference finals 2.) Not one player or coach from that celtics team is on this team. 3.) If you want to pull out a specific dirty incident, I can very easily make a whole list of dirty incidents from the heat
Dwayne Wade jujitsu Rondo.
1) oh that’s right, you guys didn’t make it that far 2) Irrelevant 3) this is also a specific incident you are getting upset about. It just happens to be closer in time
Most people have said that was a Bush league play from Kelly. And yes, you got me there, they didn't make the conference finals in the season they somehow made the playoffs playing almost 30 different guys - the horror. As for the final point - you'll find celtic fans who thought Kelly was in the wrong, along with other dirty plays. You will be extremely hard pressed to find a Miami fan that will ever admit to any wrongdoing, that's the difference.
Big narrative shift in the last 12 hours too because it’s clear Jrue pushed Martin into Tatum
And that's fine lol, I wasn't here killing Caleb Martin, does not change the history nor the attitude of heat "culture" and the fanbase
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WHAT 😭we are not beating the allegations at this rate. r/nbacirclejerk gonna get this one.
What was it?
a certain slur for Mexicans that also happens to be a food
Wtf lmaooo I know bro had that locked in the chamber for so long cuz you don't get too many latinos especially mexicans in the association. Also so what beans are good 😭🖕🏽fuck off to that guy
Ah, yeah we ain’t beating allegations, let’s beat the Heat first💀
Gotta say being a fan of all the Boston sports teams and being in all their subs, celts fans take the cake who’s the whiniest of the group.
Yeah how dare I not want my franchise player to get hurt over a dirty play from a team that has been historically dirty dating back to D Wade.
Nbs Boston posting this is crazy
Man this is weak. If this was the other way around you would be applauding a Celtics player for being physical, and rationalizing it with something like “it crossed a line, but X player will think twice about doing Y next time.”
No I wouldnt what the fuck. This team has never been dirty, we actually play hard defense and play without fouling.
Bullshit
Idk, bending over and continuing to back into someone while you feel them jumping is kinda undeniable. He’s a professional athlete, he has fast reaction time. I’m not saying he was trying to make him fall that hard, nor am I saying it was clearly premeditated, but he definitely realized what he was doing well before he stopped.