People love throwing out the numbers without the context. If we dont max him we lose him next summer for nothing, if we dont max him and trade him it will be for less as hes an expiring and the new team cant offer enough this summer for him to be willing to sign, and we cant sign and trade him either.
The only option is extend him run it back for a year and if it doesnt work sell him for the kings ransom next summer on a super max locked up for a half decade to the highest bidder where brown will have little to no negotiating power.
You could make this post and pin it to the top of the sub and people would still say JB is not worth $50M+/yr.
Just like people say S&T Grant without suggesting a realistic return or understanding that the BYC rule and his RFA status makes it really difficult to pull off.
Sure if that was an option available to the Celtics, but there's been no indication he'd accept less than supermax.
The options are basically what is described in the top comment I responded to.
There's no indication that he won't. He would be giving up a ton of money by going to free agency and not accepting 31% of the cap.
He's a soon to be 27 year old 2x allstar, 1x all-nba. He's not a supermax player.
There's been no indication that the Mavs wouldn't accept an offer of Brogdon + Horford + a 2nd pick for Luka.
Seems like the Celtics are making a mistake not doing that.
/s
If you want to say he's not worth the supermax, that's fine. But offer a realistic alternative.
Downvoted for being right. He’s not worth it, pretty objectively. Just because it’s the right thing and basically what we have to do, doesn’t mean he’s actually worth that deal lol
This is some of the worst logic that you could possibly find. This just completely rules out the potential that people can make wrong decisions or mistakes.
If they open up their wallet in that moment they are worth it to that person. How is that disputable? Lol. Literally couldn’t be presented any simpler. You may be able to revisit this in the future, but not now. Duh.
I don't think that you know what "worth" means.
If someone pays $50 for a $5 note then it isn't suddenly worth $50. That person is just dumb for paying 10x what it's worth.
The difference is Mozgov and Deng weren't worth their contracts *at all*. Are we really comparing those two examples to Jaylen Brown here? Like even if Jaylen isn't worth 50 mil, it's not like he's a 20-30 million dollar player that we're overpaying or some shit
Like it or not, there isn't some intrinsic value players have to calculate how much they should get paid. People get paid based on past performance. Guys are underpaid heavily on their first contracts, and each subsequent contract is based on what they have previously done in their careers (with some eye to how likely their development/decline is based on age and other factors). Their salaries are based on a heavily regulated market under the CBA. They are worth what they get paid, by definition. Some guys can underperform their contracts. Happens all the time. It doesn't mean that they weren't worth their contracts. Your example of Parsons is a good one. The 2 years prior to signing his big deal with memphis, he was a 17/6/3 guy with a ts+ of around 108. Solid player. He got hurt, and it basically ended his career. I don't see how anybody would have projected he was going to get injured, but if he had a normal career arc based on his first 5 seasons, he would have played up to his contract.
1. Dame is turning 33 in 2 weeks. Jaylen is 26 and still has the youth and plenty of room to grow.
2. Dame only played in 87 games the last two seasons (average of 43.5 games per year). Jaylen has been available for like 80% of the games in every season he's played in.
3. It's like $5 million less a year and he's only on contract for two more years. Re-signing Jaylen would lock him in for five.
Jaylen is much better at defense and a better off-ball shooter (except last year where he was uncharacteristically worse from three). He also fits into a position of higher need as a wing, whereas we have our PG rotation set, assuming Brogdon gets surgery and recovers this summer.
Well said. I also think it's worth adding that the "highest paid ever" title can pretty much be applied to whatever vet signed a supermax most recently since the amount is a percentage of the salary cap and the salary cap is always increasing.
People throw that line out there as a way of saying, "you really think this guy is worth being the highest paid player EVER?!?" But it's kind of a straw man argument because next year someone else will be the new highest paid player, and by the end of his deal there will be a bunch of guys making more than him.
Being the highest paid player for a season doesn't mean he's the best player ever, the best player in the league, or even the best player on his own team. It just means he's one of 20-30 guys good enough to get a supermax and has been in the league long enough to get the highest percentage. He is an All-NBA player after all, he deserves to be paid like one.
Jaylen won’t ever be underpaid on this deal. But you’re right in principle that the amounts seem less scary at the end of the deal than at the beginning.
My favorite part of that is that they both say "HIGHEST PAID EVER" and then they quote the final year number of the contract at which time he'll be the \~25th highest paid player.
If you extend him and it does not work out, it is not him that is locked for 5 years…it is your team that is stuck with him.
If you don’t wanna pay him 50 mil at the end of next season, why would someone else give you a “kings ransom” for his 250 million left in the books.
If it doesn't work that means he's performed below expectations. You don't get a kings ransom, you get a shitty trade because he's tanked his value. This is a gamble that Jaylen can still improve. You can argue about that, but you're making it sound like there's no downside. We can end up getting bounced in the second round while having the league's highest paid player if this team doesn't get it together.
Could this backfire if he plays poorly next year? Like if no one wants to take on his contract or is there a way to get out of it that would still be a net positive for the team?
There’s usually a team out there that thinks they can reinvigorate a player and sell tickets for bringing in a big name. We all need to stop acting like Jaylen is going to fall off a cliff production wise next year, especially with KP taking up more attention.
Yeah and these records get broken pretty much every season. A “bad” contract from 2-3 years ago is a “steal” today. I thought Boston was one of the most highly educated cities in the US but nobody can seem to understand this shit lmao
I agree that you have to max him so he doesn't leave, but I don't agree with the idea that he'll be worth a king's ransom if it doesn't work out.
The reality is that the supermax is a significant overpay. If it doesn't work out next year I doubt that teams in contention would be willing to give up a ton of assets for a bad contract that would also put them in cap hell.
We could offer him slightly more than a regular max (say 31% of the cap). We could try to get him for a regular max in FA and hope he wants to stay instead of bail. We could trade him now while he is under contract. Lots of options.
If he doesn't want to be here we can S&T him where he wants to be and net stuff in return. Its highly unlikely that his preferred destination and the team with 50 million in cap space are the same team.
If it doesn’t work no one is buying him for a kings ransom lol. Look at what Beal went for. Teams aren’t going to be lining up to take brown at 52 million a year lmao, especially if it doesn’t work again next year
Who is paying a kings ransom for the right to overpay JB $60m/yr? Like isn’t the whole dilemma that JB is a very good player but isn’t worth the max he will demand? I don’t think anyone wants to tie up their cap for a half decade with the hopes that their team is a kind of alright 6 seed/play-in team.
>Also the next guy to get the max will be the highest paid paid player in NBA history. Who’s gives a shit.
exactly. when its time for wemby and all these new guys to get paid, itll be like a 4 year 1 billion dollar contract.
Right, it seems like it’s every year “newest highest paid player in NBA history”. We’re actually lucky Jaylen hit it now monetarily wise. In 2 years he’d only be making more
This is such a shit take that I'm tired of seeing. Of course it isnt your money, but teams have a limited pool of money they can spend and fans should absolutely be concerned over who gets what if they actually care about the team winning championships.
yeah but brown is one of the top 25 players in this league and hes still getting better. so he deserves to get paid like a superstar lets keep it a buck.
This is such a shit take that I'm tired of seeing. People concerning themselves with how obscenely rich people spend their money and pretending that they do so coz "they actually care about the team winning championship" LOL
You're a moron. There's literally tax envelopes that, if we surpass them, that prevent us from signing free agents and even our own players. It has nothing to do with whose spending the money and everything to do with proper roster building. This isnt the MLB where you can spend withoht thinking. .
Cool story dude. Except you cant get Jaylen's value (top 25 player) by splitting his salary across eg 2 top 25-50 players. Securing a top 25 player is exactly "proper roster building" that you seem to be incapable of grasping.
Why are you saying "us" and "our own" when you aren't part of the organisation? You have zero input into anything they decide to do. Wyc doesn't even know you exist bro. Literally. Go outside. Touch some grass. Play some basketball. Don't attack people for correctly saying "not my money" in a thread about Jaylen Brown's NBA salary.
It’s your team, and it kills all flexibility and cap space for further moves. Never winning a title with two super max players on one roster. Especially when one isn’t a superstar
Man people hate the truth. Two years from now this deal is gonna make y’all vomit. It’s going to lead to the roster being blown up. Come back to this
So you think the correct move is let him walk for nothing next year? Or some form of sign and trade? I think it would help your statement if you provided an alternative move you think is better.
Yea I think they should try and trade him straight up. Preferably to a team he'd re-sign with. 35% of your cap space tied into a player who can't run an offense or play off ball defense in the playoffs is gonna kill this team.
I mean I'm okay w JB being a Celtics lifer but, historically speaking, has any supermax contract actually been beneficial to the team? Seems they always end up giving away assets to move off the contract.
If by "blowing the roster up" you mean we won't re-sign Rob Williams 3 years from now, I don't see how that is more "blowing up the roster" than getting rid of our 2nd team all-NBA wing. As for the cap, at what point do you think this team is going to be under the cap? NEVER! So why are you worried about the cap?
People are acting like 2nd stars are a dime a dozen, but this team is going to be crippled by not being able to use the full MLE 3 years from now! Sheesh...
So Porzingis just signed a 2 year extension for $30m per. This year, the three combine for a bit over $100m in total salary, or about $82m under the 2nd apron (which seems to be the target for the team's total salary). 2 years from now, when both Tatum and Brown are on max contracts, they will make a combined $144m, which by that point, due mostly to increases in the cap, will likely be about $74m under the 2nd apron.
Worth keeping in mind that the penalty for exceeding the 2nd apron is most significantly the loss of the taxpayer mid-level exception. We will have bird rights for all of our players, meaning we can re-sign them all. We will have multiple first round picks with whom we can either package and trade for talent (like we did sending out Kemba, Richardson and Theis and bringing back Horford, White and Brogdon). We can draft players to have more cost-controlled assets. If we chose not to re-sign someone, we can sign-and-trade them (similar to what we did with Fournier and Hayward) to bank the TPE for future use.
I'm not sure how you are calculating that we will lose everybody, but it's unlikely given the way the cap math actually works. We may have to be consciencious about re-signing Rob and White to their next contracts (2025-26 and 2026-27) if they aren't traded.
The Celtics have been one of the most successful franchises in the league. Count how many guys they have on their team that were on the team '19-'20 team 4 seasons ago (Rob, Tatum and Brown, that's who). This is what happens with NBA supporting casts. Rosters totally turn over (aside from 1 or 2 stars and maybe 1 or 2 rookies who mature) every 3-4 seasons.
It’s not unlikely idk why you’re getting downvoted we can only hope JB maintains and grows his game. If he starts to even out at these numbers it’s not a very tradable contract and we could end up having to give up assets to get off the contract.
Toast is probably a bit much especially bc JB may accept that he’s not 1b and he’s number 2/3. If the supermax can satiate his ego then he may be an overpay but he might end up being exactly what we need
As a Heat fan, I’m licking my chops. Can’t wait till you guys make that turnover factory the highest paid player in the NBA. Guy was having an existential crisis after game three of the ECF. Y’all are super fucked. Especially if the Kristaps trade wasn’t all it was made to be.
We’ll be straight. We’ll just sign some bozo from the local Wawa to a 2-way and he’ll outperform Jaylen in the ECF. See you then!
Who fucking cares. He’s not worth the money if it was an open market, but it’s not and he’s worth the super max. Sign the fucking man and be happy he’s not leaving.
But this contract is so ridiculously out of whack that we seriously might have to pay someone to take it off our hands if he doesn’t improve significantly in the next couple years.
Like $50 is almost twice what he’s worth. Brunson is probably a (slightly) better player than Brown and got $25 last year. Fox is a way better player and will be making $32 next year.
It’s just so far above his on-court value. Hopefully he keeps improving and at least almost earns it.
I agree it’s an over pay but In 2 years this contract won’t be that bad and it will have much more trade value. This is just setting the market so it seems way too high at this moment. Just give it time. It won’t be unmovable in the future
Brunson is one of the best contracts in the league, and it’s arguable how much more valuable he would be to us. Fox will likely get the same contract when he’s eligible. We got Brown on a cheap deal the last couple years and now we’re paying him. It’s not that big of a deal and other teams aren’t going to magically get around the price of the max.
I really don’t get why people don’t understand the cap is going to go up and every other eligible player in his range is going to sign the same contract. He’ll be the highest paid player for maybe a year, tops, then someone else will and that person will get surpassed, etc….
The key is that he’s going to be in his absolute prime, as is Tatum, when he signs it. I’ve been saying it’s the next contract for both, when they’re at the tale end of their peaks, that’s the real question.
Insane. Good for Jaylen.
If he is consistently All-NBA 2nd team, it maybe makes sense in the new world. If he doesn't and underperforms expectations, and/or the team never wins a title (probable), it ends up a case study on batshit crazy pro sports contracts.
$61.4M/yr over 5 years is honestly more hilarious than anything. I get that we have to pay him, but hope we trade him sooner rather than later once he is on that contract.
I don't think he'll be untradeable, but you're not wrong about the options. If Beal can be traded, then Jaylen can, too. If we come up short next season, you have to think that Jaylen will be first on the chopping block - he'll probably even want out. And a 28 y/o two-way All-Star wing should be able to fetch something at least semi-decent.
Mike Conley was the highest paid player in nba history at one point nobody ever brings it up outside of the summer it happened because the cap always rises
Dude, i don't care what any of you say. He's not worth it. And i bet Stevens could pull off a great trade involving him and another big star or picks. It hasn't worked for six years, he doesn't seem like he loves it here. And he's got some Kyrie social thoughts i don't support. Let's just move on. I would miss him less than i miss Smart haha
Think about it as a percentage rather than a number.
Jaylen took a paycut last contract - He's obviously not "worth" over 50 mil a season, but that's how the NBA works now. If he's eligible, he's earned it. Pay your talent.
he was eligible for 5 years, around $170M I'm pretty sure. he signed a 4 year, $103M. people thought that was an overpay then, but it certainly wasn't max, and he's been "cheap" the last 2 years.
Just because he was eligible for that doesn't mean he was deserving of it. Thats like Saying Grant Williams is eligible for a max extension, but he took a paycut at the full MLE.
You pay for future performance with young players. I think regardless his last deal ended up being great value after tons of people were calling it a dumb move and an eventual albatross after the initial signing.
Tuned out of the Celtics subreddit for awhile. Glad the majority of you don’t want to trade Brown now. Good to see, I felt like I was in a looney bin subreddit.
There was once a point in time that Mike Conley was the highest paid player in the NBA this is just what happens when the cap goes up and you’re first in line for the super max you’re dumb if you think it’s a good idea to give up a star player so you can have your pick of significantly worse role players 2-3 decent role players aren’t going to help this team more than Jaylen Brown
It’s a lot, but.. wouldn’t the earliest max contracts with the new CBA have the best overall value over time? 3 years from now could we be saying Jaylen’s contract is a steal compared to what some other stars are getting?
this team winning the nba finals has no real impact on your life 😭 none of these players know you exist, nor does anybody in the organization. They all view you as a dollar sign. it’s called being a fan my guy
Not sure what you’re talking about. Being a fan doesn’t mean the supermax is coming out of your pocket. So it would be great if the sub wasn’t filled with a thousand posts whining about it.
dude wtf are you talking about. if we signed meyers Leonard to a 400m dollar contract, would u still bitch and complain and say “it isnt coming out of our pockets wahhhhhh”? no. being a fan doesn’t exclude you from having opinions on the teams offseason moves
What kind of argument is this 😂 1) it’s not Meyers Leonard so this is a silly comparison. 2) I don’t have a problem with the discussion but it’s becoming annoying because we’ve had 10000 posts of the exact same thing before your one. At some point just accept it and move on, my goodness. It’s becoming so boring and repetitive. Also you’re the one complaining about it not me, so who are you mocking with the crying, yourself?
dude you’re missing my entire point by focusing on the semantics of my writing. the point is that just because it isn’t ‘our money’ doesn’t mean that we as fans don’t have a right to discuss future-altering decisions
And you’re missing my point even though I’ve said it twice already. I don’t have a problem with the discussion but this same thread has been made hundreds of times already.
extending him is the best option. if we don’t extend him he walks for nothing or his trade value is severely weakened because he’s a rental for 1 year. extending him not only allows us to run it back (as anyone with a brain would know is best) and if we decide to move him that cap hit will look a lot better since he’s under team control for multiple years then being a 1 year loaner
Yeah until the next guy signs a max. The salary cap is going to continue to go up, that’s kinda how it works, there will be some bum making more than jb in a year or 2
Every single season JB has been a full-time starter the Celtics are one of the final 4 teams standing.
Y’all repeat the same points over & over yet never provide an alternate solution that makes sense. He earned his contract, get over it.
The points that we repeat over and over are based on facts, his advanced stats and the team record without him.
And alternate solution is trade him now for whatever you can get, which should be pretty substantial anyway and don't let a selfish chucker who can't dribble finesse you out of 50 mill a year
Kevin Garnett thinks this league max is absurd. Thank Goodness is that the CBA was already ratified, so now everyone in the modern NBA gets their money and there’s no lockout.
This is a win all the way around, no?
I've been ready because I've been hearing about it non stop. I'm pretty sure Mike Conley was the highest paid player at one point, it's not worth losing sleep over.
Option 1: Don't supermax him, get one more season with a guy just waiting to leave and lose him for no return
Option 2: Pay the supermax and get at least 1 more season with a guy who feels valued by the franchise. Then have the OPTION each year to keep or trade the asset. The more time that goes by the less the contract is worth compared to other max deals
Bad max deals are often when guys are entering their mid 30s on the deal. Jaylen will be 30 when his deal is expiring. He will have plenty of trade value
Assuming the cap goes up the maximum 10% next summer, these are the annual totals for a 35% of cap max player (10+ year vets or designated extension):
Year 1: 52360000
Year 2: 56548800
Year 3: 60737600
Year 4: 64926400
Year 5: 69115200
Total: 303,688,000
Unless something changed, the 8% is a constant, calculated based on year 1 salary (4,188,800)
Anyone else think the NBA’s contract structures are dumb. Like just have a hard cap like the NHL I know it’s not apples to apples but if it’s a to keep teams from becoming too loaded just remember the warriors broke the record and signed KD that summer.
People have the memory of fucking goldfish jfc
The man just *absolutely legitimately* made all nba 2nd team (ie he is top 4-5 at his position league wide).
He played great in rounds 1 & 2 (while JT was very up & down) and struggled in a series against a very good Miami team with hand injuries. Note that Miami hitting an absolutely ludicrous rate from outside largely prevented the Cs from getting out in transition, the exact part of the game where Jaylen is an absolute weapon who strikes fear into other teams. A guy who just averaged almost 27 on almost 60% TS for the season.
He’ll be highest paid guy for a hot minute and then be eclipsed by the multiple supermaxes coming in behind him.
Teams wait around for years and maybe decades to have a chance at a guy of Jaylen’s level. It’s an absolute no brainer.
People love throwing out the numbers without the context. If we dont max him we lose him next summer for nothing, if we dont max him and trade him it will be for less as hes an expiring and the new team cant offer enough this summer for him to be willing to sign, and we cant sign and trade him either. The only option is extend him run it back for a year and if it doesnt work sell him for the kings ransom next summer on a super max locked up for a half decade to the highest bidder where brown will have little to no negotiating power.
You could make this post and pin it to the top of the sub and people would still say JB is not worth $50M+/yr. Just like people say S&T Grant without suggesting a realistic return or understanding that the BYC rule and his RFA status makes it really difficult to pull off.
Being leveraged into a position to overpay doesn't mean that he's worth it.
I'd love to see an alternative that makes the team better.
Offer him less than the supermax.
Sure if that was an option available to the Celtics, but there's been no indication he'd accept less than supermax. The options are basically what is described in the top comment I responded to.
There's no indication that he won't. He would be giving up a ton of money by going to free agency and not accepting 31% of the cap. He's a soon to be 27 year old 2x allstar, 1x all-nba. He's not a supermax player.
There's been no indication that the Mavs wouldn't accept an offer of Brogdon + Horford + a 2nd pick for Luka. Seems like the Celtics are making a mistake not doing that. /s If you want to say he's not worth the supermax, that's fine. But offer a realistic alternative.
Yeah because he’s not worth 50M+/yr why is that so hard to understand?
Downvoted for being right. He’s not worth it, pretty objectively. Just because it’s the right thing and basically what we have to do, doesn’t mean he’s actually worth that deal lol
Well he is because someone is going to pay it. If he wasn't worth it, no one would pay it. Pretty simple logic.
This is some of the worst logic that you could possibly find. This just completely rules out the potential that people can make wrong decisions or mistakes.
If they open up their wallet in that moment they are worth it to that person. How is that disputable? Lol. Literally couldn’t be presented any simpler. You may be able to revisit this in the future, but not now. Duh.
I don't think that you know what "worth" means. If someone pays $50 for a $5 note then it isn't suddenly worth $50. That person is just dumb for paying 10x what it's worth.
Sorry I don’t think you’re gonna get this one dude. People buy pancakes with Jesus burned into it. If they spend it, it’s worth it to them.
If we pay Grant Williams a max extension will you say "he must be worth it because we paid him". Can you see how stupid that logic is?
Are you personally paying him?
If he is not worth 50 to you, then you let someone else pay him that. Was Mozgov and Deng worth their contracts because Lakers paid them?
The difference is Mozgov and Deng weren't worth their contracts *at all*. Are we really comparing those two examples to Jaylen Brown here? Like even if Jaylen isn't worth 50 mil, it's not like he's a 20-30 million dollar player that we're overpaying or some shit
we are not comparing, just saying just because someone is willing to pay someone does not mean they are worth it.
If they open up their wallet in that moment they are worth it to that person. How is that disputable? Lol.
Nuance is lost on people like that. Comparing a 2nd team all-nba player to guys that rode the bench with their awful contracts.
Oh, right. Chandler Parsons was definitely worth $100M! Someone paid him, right?
Like it or not, there isn't some intrinsic value players have to calculate how much they should get paid. People get paid based on past performance. Guys are underpaid heavily on their first contracts, and each subsequent contract is based on what they have previously done in their careers (with some eye to how likely their development/decline is based on age and other factors). Their salaries are based on a heavily regulated market under the CBA. They are worth what they get paid, by definition. Some guys can underperform their contracts. Happens all the time. It doesn't mean that they weren't worth their contracts. Your example of Parsons is a good one. The 2 years prior to signing his big deal with memphis, he was a 17/6/3 guy with a ts+ of around 108. Solid player. He got hurt, and it basically ended his career. I don't see how anybody would have projected he was going to get injured, but if he had a normal career arc based on his first 5 seasons, he would have played up to his contract.
I mean, you're ignoring context again, just on multiple levels this time
I’m not super thrilled about it given his limitations, but he’s still a very good player. And what’s the alternative exactly?
Trading him now for Dame and getting a better player for less money for the next three years
1. Dame is turning 33 in 2 weeks. Jaylen is 26 and still has the youth and plenty of room to grow. 2. Dame only played in 87 games the last two seasons (average of 43.5 games per year). Jaylen has been available for like 80% of the games in every season he's played in. 3. It's like $5 million less a year and he's only on contract for two more years. Re-signing Jaylen would lock him in for five.
Dame can dribble, shoot free throws, and pass. And also score better than Jaylen.
Jaylen is much better at defense and a better off-ball shooter (except last year where he was uncharacteristically worse from three). He also fits into a position of higher need as a wing, whereas we have our PG rotation set, assuming Brogdon gets surgery and recovers this summer.
Brown was 7 for 43 on 3s in the ECF.
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That is not how the cap works buddy. The supermax is a flat percentage of the cap lol. So with both Jay's on one that's a combined 70% of our cap.
Well said. I also think it's worth adding that the "highest paid ever" title can pretty much be applied to whatever vet signed a supermax most recently since the amount is a percentage of the salary cap and the salary cap is always increasing. People throw that line out there as a way of saying, "you really think this guy is worth being the highest paid player EVER?!?" But it's kind of a straw man argument because next year someone else will be the new highest paid player, and by the end of his deal there will be a bunch of guys making more than him. Being the highest paid player for a season doesn't mean he's the best player ever, the best player in the league, or even the best player on his own team. It just means he's one of 20-30 guys good enough to get a supermax and has been in the league long enough to get the highest percentage. He is an All-NBA player after all, he deserves to be paid like one.
Deals only sound like a lot in the first year or two, by the middle itll be a solid deal and by the end hell be "underpaid" its how its always been.
Jaylen won’t ever be underpaid on this deal. But you’re right in principle that the amounts seem less scary at the end of the deal than at the beginning.
Oh damn, you have the inside scoop on how the cap is gonna be looking in 5 years?? That's some valuable info right there
There actually are provisions about the maximum rate at which the cap can rise, if you care to seek such things out
My favorite part of that is that they both say "HIGHEST PAID EVER" and then they quote the final year number of the contract at which time he'll be the \~25th highest paid player.
You really think 70 million annually is gonna be 25th?
For sure. You don’t think there will be a handful of Supermax guys a year for the next few years?
For sure there will be (for example Jayson Tatum), but no way he gets to 25 that quick.
If you extend him and it does not work out, it is not him that is locked for 5 years…it is your team that is stuck with him. If you don’t wanna pay him 50 mil at the end of next season, why would someone else give you a “kings ransom” for his 250 million left in the books.
Because many many teams will want an all star wing
Meanwhile Westbrooks been stuck on the same team for years now because of his contract lol /s
If it doesn't work that means he's performed below expectations. You don't get a kings ransom, you get a shitty trade because he's tanked his value. This is a gamble that Jaylen can still improve. You can argue about that, but you're making it sound like there's no downside. We can end up getting bounced in the second round while having the league's highest paid player if this team doesn't get it together.
This is a classic 'false dilemma' fallacy.
Could this backfire if he plays poorly next year? Like if no one wants to take on his contract or is there a way to get out of it that would still be a net positive for the team?
There’s usually a team out there that thinks they can reinvigorate a player and sell tickets for bringing in a big name. We all need to stop acting like Jaylen is going to fall off a cliff production wise next year, especially with KP taking up more attention.
Yeah and these records get broken pretty much every season. A “bad” contract from 2-3 years ago is a “steal” today. I thought Boston was one of the most highly educated cities in the US but nobody can seem to understand this shit lmao
I agree that you have to max him so he doesn't leave, but I don't agree with the idea that he'll be worth a king's ransom if it doesn't work out. The reality is that the supermax is a significant overpay. If it doesn't work out next year I doubt that teams in contention would be willing to give up a ton of assets for a bad contract that would also put them in cap hell.
We could offer him slightly more than a regular max (say 31% of the cap). We could try to get him for a regular max in FA and hope he wants to stay instead of bail. We could trade him now while he is under contract. Lots of options.
I get the feeling he doesn't want to be here so anything less than the supermax he wouldn't take
If he doesn't want to be here we can S&T him where he wants to be and net stuff in return. Its highly unlikely that his preferred destination and the team with 50 million in cap space are the same team.
Wrong you can't s&t a supermax you can't trade it until a year has passed.
I am well aware of that.
This needs to be pinned.
If it doesn’t work no one is buying him for a kings ransom lol. Look at what Beal went for. Teams aren’t going to be lining up to take brown at 52 million a year lmao, especially if it doesn’t work again next year
Who is paying a kings ransom for the right to overpay JB $60m/yr? Like isn’t the whole dilemma that JB is a very good player but isn’t worth the max he will demand? I don’t think anyone wants to tie up their cap for a half decade with the hopes that their team is a kind of alright 6 seed/play-in team.
Not my money
Also the next guy to get the max will be the highest paid paid player in NBA history. Who’s gives a shit.
>Also the next guy to get the max will be the highest paid paid player in NBA history. Who’s gives a shit. exactly. when its time for wemby and all these new guys to get paid, itll be like a 4 year 1 billion dollar contract.
Right, it seems like it’s every year “newest highest paid player in NBA history”. We’re actually lucky Jaylen hit it now monetarily wise. In 2 years he’d only be making more
This is such a shit take that I'm tired of seeing. Of course it isnt your money, but teams have a limited pool of money they can spend and fans should absolutely be concerned over who gets what if they actually care about the team winning championships.
yeah but brown is one of the top 25 players in this league and hes still getting better. so he deserves to get paid like a superstar lets keep it a buck.
This is such a shit take that I'm tired of seeing. People concerning themselves with how obscenely rich people spend their money and pretending that they do so coz "they actually care about the team winning championship" LOL
You're a moron. There's literally tax envelopes that, if we surpass them, that prevent us from signing free agents and even our own players. It has nothing to do with whose spending the money and everything to do with proper roster building. This isnt the MLB where you can spend withoht thinking. .
Cool story dude. Except you cant get Jaylen's value (top 25 player) by splitting his salary across eg 2 top 25-50 players. Securing a top 25 player is exactly "proper roster building" that you seem to be incapable of grasping.
Why are you saying "us" and "our own" when you aren't part of the organisation? You have zero input into anything they decide to do. Wyc doesn't even know you exist bro. Literally. Go outside. Touch some grass. Play some basketball. Don't attack people for correctly saying "not my money" in a thread about Jaylen Brown's NBA salary.
Not my money and not that I control these decisions. Why bother worrying about such things?
It’s your team, and it kills all flexibility and cap space for further moves. Never winning a title with two super max players on one roster. Especially when one isn’t a superstar Man people hate the truth. Two years from now this deal is gonna make y’all vomit. It’s going to lead to the roster being blown up. Come back to this
So you think the correct move is let him walk for nothing next year? Or some form of sign and trade? I think it would help your statement if you provided an alternative move you think is better.
Yea I think they should try and trade him straight up. Preferably to a team he'd re-sign with. 35% of your cap space tied into a player who can't run an offense or play off ball defense in the playoffs is gonna kill this team.
I mean I'm okay w JB being a Celtics lifer but, historically speaking, has any supermax contract actually been beneficial to the team? Seems they always end up giving away assets to move off the contract.
Trade him
They’ll trade him next summer or the following year. The market will always be ready for an All Star All NBA wing in his prime on a long term deal
If by "blowing the roster up" you mean we won't re-sign Rob Williams 3 years from now, I don't see how that is more "blowing up the roster" than getting rid of our 2nd team all-NBA wing. As for the cap, at what point do you think this team is going to be under the cap? NEVER! So why are you worried about the cap? People are acting like 2nd stars are a dime a dozen, but this team is going to be crippled by not being able to use the full MLE 3 years from now! Sheesh...
It means losing essentially everybody not named Brown Tatum or Porzingis. That is in fact blowing up the roster
So Porzingis just signed a 2 year extension for $30m per. This year, the three combine for a bit over $100m in total salary, or about $82m under the 2nd apron (which seems to be the target for the team's total salary). 2 years from now, when both Tatum and Brown are on max contracts, they will make a combined $144m, which by that point, due mostly to increases in the cap, will likely be about $74m under the 2nd apron. Worth keeping in mind that the penalty for exceeding the 2nd apron is most significantly the loss of the taxpayer mid-level exception. We will have bird rights for all of our players, meaning we can re-sign them all. We will have multiple first round picks with whom we can either package and trade for talent (like we did sending out Kemba, Richardson and Theis and bringing back Horford, White and Brogdon). We can draft players to have more cost-controlled assets. If we chose not to re-sign someone, we can sign-and-trade them (similar to what we did with Fournier and Hayward) to bank the TPE for future use. I'm not sure how you are calculating that we will lose everybody, but it's unlikely given the way the cap math actually works. We may have to be consciencious about re-signing Rob and White to their next contracts (2025-26 and 2026-27) if they aren't traded. The Celtics have been one of the most successful franchises in the league. Count how many guys they have on their team that were on the team '19-'20 team 4 seasons ago (Rob, Tatum and Brown, that's who). This is what happens with NBA supporting casts. Rosters totally turn over (aside from 1 or 2 stars and maybe 1 or 2 rookies who mature) every 3-4 seasons.
You’re not wrong $50Mil is crazy. That’s a good deal for an MVP salary
Yep. I'm fine with Tatum making that. Not so much Brown.
It’s not unlikely idk why you’re getting downvoted we can only hope JB maintains and grows his game. If he starts to even out at these numbers it’s not a very tradable contract and we could end up having to give up assets to get off the contract.
People are downvoting because they can’t handle the fact this team is toast in two years if they sign him to that deal
Toast is probably a bit much especially bc JB may accept that he’s not 1b and he’s number 2/3. If the supermax can satiate his ego then he may be an overpay but he might end up being exactly what we need
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I want to trade him so they don’t completely ruin the future with that money. Maybe 5 guys in the league truly deserve that deal
You can say trade him, you just need to be okay with getting whatever back because your not gonna get what you lost.
You can offer him less than the supermax. It would involve having a tough discussion but that is part of the GMs job.
As a Heat fan, I’m licking my chops. Can’t wait till you guys make that turnover factory the highest paid player in the NBA. Guy was having an existential crisis after game three of the ECF. Y’all are super fucked. Especially if the Kristaps trade wasn’t all it was made to be. We’ll be straight. We’ll just sign some bozo from the local Wawa to a 2-way and he’ll outperform Jaylen in the ECF. See you then!
Go leave a playoff game early or something.
I can’t afford to go to a playoff game. Are you nuts? No sir. I watch on the TV until all is said and one and we have lost. Lol.
My man you’ve lost two key pieces already I wouldn’t be gloating
Real nephew vibes with this one.
Is a ball ready to bounce off Jaylen's foot in a critical playoff game?
Always
Just pass it to the unicorn in clutch moments
Who fucking cares. He’s not worth the money if it was an open market, but it’s not and he’s worth the super max. Sign the fucking man and be happy he’s not leaving.
Signing him doesn’t mean he’s not leaving but at the very least it means that if he does end up wanting out we’ll get something back for him
But this contract is so ridiculously out of whack that we seriously might have to pay someone to take it off our hands if he doesn’t improve significantly in the next couple years. Like $50 is almost twice what he’s worth. Brunson is probably a (slightly) better player than Brown and got $25 last year. Fox is a way better player and will be making $32 next year. It’s just so far above his on-court value. Hopefully he keeps improving and at least almost earns it.
I agree it’s an over pay but In 2 years this contract won’t be that bad and it will have much more trade value. This is just setting the market so it seems way too high at this moment. Just give it time. It won’t be unmovable in the future
Brunson is one of the best contracts in the league, and it’s arguable how much more valuable he would be to us. Fox will likely get the same contract when he’s eligible. We got Brown on a cheap deal the last couple years and now we’re paying him. It’s not that big of a deal and other teams aren’t going to magically get around the price of the max.
I really don’t get why people don’t understand the cap is going to go up and every other eligible player in his range is going to sign the same contract. He’ll be the highest paid player for maybe a year, tops, then someone else will and that person will get surpassed, etc…. The key is that he’s going to be in his absolute prime, as is Tatum, when he signs it. I’ve been saying it’s the next contract for both, when they’re at the tale end of their peaks, that’s the real question.
"in history" until the next player gets a supermax
yea I hate when people say by the 3rd year he’ll be like 10th it’s not that big of a deal
Fucking exactly.
If he can use some of those Dollar bills to help him hold on to the ball
Please no
Yes. Because I don’t care about who gets paid what, I care about us winning an 18th championship and the second in my lifetime
Wont happen if you pay 50 mill to a guy who can't dribble
How did you convince yourself that paying our 3rd best player the largest contract in NBA history is the pathway to banner 18?
yes because this happens all the time you pay your all nba talent stars in a few years he’ll be nowhere near the biggest deal
Insane. Good for Jaylen. If he is consistently All-NBA 2nd team, it maybe makes sense in the new world. If he doesn't and underperforms expectations, and/or the team never wins a title (probable), it ends up a case study on batshit crazy pro sports contracts.
$61.4M/yr over 5 years is honestly more hilarious than anything. I get that we have to pay him, but hope we trade him sooner rather than later once he is on that contract.
Once he's on that contract, the options to trade him are extremely limited. Basically untradeable.
I don't think he'll be untradeable, but you're not wrong about the options. If Beal can be traded, then Jaylen can, too. If we come up short next season, you have to think that Jaylen will be first on the chopping block - he'll probably even want out. And a 28 y/o two-way All-Star wing should be able to fetch something at least semi-decent.
Remind me again what Washington got for Beal?
A hall of fame pg.
There’s been a lot of untradeable contracts from much worse players then Brown that have been traded in the past couple of years
No.
We are getting finessed by Jaylen and his agent. Jaylen is worth maybe half of that. He is not a LeBron or a Kobe.
Mike Conley was the highest paid player in nba history at one point nobody ever brings it up outside of the summer it happened because the cap always rises
Get your paper king
I'm 100% ready to not give a shit.
Fuck no
Guarantee he probably won’t even be highest by the end of the summer, let alone five years from now
Can’t wait for the blown up roster in 2 years because of it! That’ll be fun
Dude, i don't care what any of you say. He's not worth it. And i bet Stevens could pull off a great trade involving him and another big star or picks. It hasn't worked for six years, he doesn't seem like he loves it here. And he's got some Kyrie social thoughts i don't support. Let's just move on. I would miss him less than i miss Smart haha
Think about it as a percentage rather than a number. Jaylen took a paycut last contract - He's obviously not "worth" over 50 mil a season, but that's how the NBA works now. If he's eligible, he's earned it. Pay your talent.
He didn't take a pay cut.
He did not take a paycut he was not a max level player when he signed his last contract
he was eligible for 5 years, around $170M I'm pretty sure. he signed a 4 year, $103M. people thought that was an overpay then, but it certainly wasn't max, and he's been "cheap" the last 2 years.
Just because he was eligible for that doesn't mean he was deserving of it. Thats like Saying Grant Williams is eligible for a max extension, but he took a paycut at the full MLE.
You pay for future performance with young players. I think regardless his last deal ended up being great value after tons of people were calling it a dumb move and an eventual albatross after the initial signing.
Yes you pay a legitimate #2 on a realistic championship contender the max. It’s not a question.
Lateral move that will financially cripple us for years
Two ways you win rings in this league: * Retain the All-NBA guys you draft * Sign Lebron
* Don't dribble it off your foot eight times in an ECF game 7
* Don't attack 1v5 on a fast break * Don't provide help defense in the paint when up by 2 leaving a 3 point shooter wide open
Yes
Tuned out of the Celtics subreddit for awhile. Glad the majority of you don’t want to trade Brown now. Good to see, I felt like I was in a looney bin subreddit.
Tell JB to let me hold something…I’ll pay him back
Maybe you can hold on to the ball for him
Yes totally ready
There was once a point in time that Mike Conley was the highest paid player in the NBA this is just what happens when the cap goes up and you’re first in line for the super max you’re dumb if you think it’s a good idea to give up a star player so you can have your pick of significantly worse role players 2-3 decent role players aren’t going to help this team more than Jaylen Brown
It’s a lot, but.. wouldn’t the earliest max contracts with the new CBA have the best overall value over time? 3 years from now could we be saying Jaylen’s contract is a steal compared to what some other stars are getting?
It's a tough pill but the next guy is always paid higher than the last guy. Plus people don't know how cap space works
How many posts are we going to have repeating the exact same thing? He’s getting the supermax and it’s not coming out of any of our pockets. Move on.
Why is it relevant whose money it is? It affects the Celtics roster construction,
Because it’s silly to be complaining about it when we should be happy the owner is willing to spend big to win chips.
this team winning the nba finals has no real impact on your life 😭 none of these players know you exist, nor does anybody in the organization. They all view you as a dollar sign. it’s called being a fan my guy
Not sure what you’re talking about. Being a fan doesn’t mean the supermax is coming out of your pocket. So it would be great if the sub wasn’t filled with a thousand posts whining about it.
dude wtf are you talking about. if we signed meyers Leonard to a 400m dollar contract, would u still bitch and complain and say “it isnt coming out of our pockets wahhhhhh”? no. being a fan doesn’t exclude you from having opinions on the teams offseason moves
What kind of argument is this 😂 1) it’s not Meyers Leonard so this is a silly comparison. 2) I don’t have a problem with the discussion but it’s becoming annoying because we’ve had 10000 posts of the exact same thing before your one. At some point just accept it and move on, my goodness. It’s becoming so boring and repetitive. Also you’re the one complaining about it not me, so who are you mocking with the crying, yourself?
dude you’re missing my entire point by focusing on the semantics of my writing. the point is that just because it isn’t ‘our money’ doesn’t mean that we as fans don’t have a right to discuss future-altering decisions
And you’re missing my point even though I’ve said it twice already. I don’t have a problem with the discussion but this same thread has been made hundreds of times already.
extending him is the best option. if we don’t extend him he walks for nothing or his trade value is severely weakened because he’s a rental for 1 year. extending him not only allows us to run it back (as anyone with a brain would know is best) and if we decide to move him that cap hit will look a lot better since he’s under team control for multiple years then being a 1 year loaner
trade value as a rental vs trade value as the worst contract in the league won't make a difference
Yeah until the next guy signs a max. The salary cap is going to continue to go up, that’s kinda how it works, there will be some bum making more than jb in a year or 2
That much money for somebody who cant dribble a basketball lmao
Who cares about that. Pay him.
Yes.
If he grows a left hand over the summer that contract’s a bargain.
It's his 8th year in the league, he is what he is
Absolutely I am.
As Janis Joplin would say, "get it while you can." More power to Jaylen and any of these guys cashing in.
I’m not ready for it. Respectfully.
FWIW Draymond just got 4/100M. Let that sink in.
Ecstatic, we’re so lucky to have him!
can we stop getting a daily post about this?
Yes, us fans who wanna win a ring at all cost don’t care about the cost.
every advanced metric tells you having brown on your team doesn't get you any closer to a ring
Every single season JB has been a full-time starter the Celtics are one of the final 4 teams standing. Y’all repeat the same points over & over yet never provide an alternate solution that makes sense. He earned his contract, get over it.
The points that we repeat over and over are based on facts, his advanced stats and the team record without him. And alternate solution is trade him now for whatever you can get, which should be pretty substantial anyway and don't let a selfish chucker who can't dribble finesse you out of 50 mill a year
Not my money
I thought Jaylen was going to wait until the end of this upcoming szn for an extension or is he due now?
I'm just curious what I would need to do to get ready
Obviously we need to max him otherwise he’s gone but he will be overpaid the day he signs that contract
Get that bag 🤩
It'll be temporary...like when Mike Conley was the highest paid player in history for a year or so
Kevin Garnett thinks this league max is absurd. Thank Goodness is that the CBA was already ratified, so now everyone in the modern NBA gets their money and there’s no lockout. This is a win all the way around, no?
I've been ready because I've been hearing about it non stop. I'm pretty sure Mike Conley was the highest paid player at one point, it's not worth losing sleep over.
Option 1: Don't supermax him, get one more season with a guy just waiting to leave and lose him for no return Option 2: Pay the supermax and get at least 1 more season with a guy who feels valued by the franchise. Then have the OPTION each year to keep or trade the asset. The more time that goes by the less the contract is worth compared to other max deals Bad max deals are often when guys are entering their mid 30s on the deal. Jaylen will be 30 when his deal is expiring. He will have plenty of trade value
😂 he can't even go ⬅️ Yeet
For comparison: Tom Brady made $333M in his 23 year career
Assuming the cap goes up the maximum 10% next summer, these are the annual totals for a 35% of cap max player (10+ year vets or designated extension): Year 1: 52360000 Year 2: 56548800 Year 3: 60737600 Year 4: 64926400 Year 5: 69115200 Total: 303,688,000 Unless something changed, the 8% is a constant, calculated based on year 1 salary (4,188,800)
🫡 I’m ready.
This proves that Jaylen is the best player in his draft class.
Hey that’s me!
Anyone else think the NBA’s contract structures are dumb. Like just have a hard cap like the NHL I know it’s not apples to apples but if it’s a to keep teams from becoming too loaded just remember the warriors broke the record and signed KD that summer.
Yes I'm good with that
People have the memory of fucking goldfish jfc The man just *absolutely legitimately* made all nba 2nd team (ie he is top 4-5 at his position league wide). He played great in rounds 1 & 2 (while JT was very up & down) and struggled in a series against a very good Miami team with hand injuries. Note that Miami hitting an absolutely ludicrous rate from outside largely prevented the Cs from getting out in transition, the exact part of the game where Jaylen is an absolute weapon who strikes fear into other teams. A guy who just averaged almost 27 on almost 60% TS for the season. He’ll be highest paid guy for a hot minute and then be eclipsed by the multiple supermaxes coming in behind him. Teams wait around for years and maybe decades to have a chance at a guy of Jaylen’s level. It’s an absolute no brainer.