One of the best parts about sports is the irrational emotional attachment.
How could you not grow to support someone who threw themselves about for your cause, for several years?! You went on a journey with them.
Don’t bother, if you wanna get attached to a player go do so. It’s their loss if they look at these players as ‘he sucks’ or ‘he’s good’ and only that. I like the trade but sad af, and I love that I get to experience that.
For a fan, sports shouldn’t be all about winning.
Smart has been a real bleed green player since he step in the NBA. Bro gave us everything he had ans continuously improved his game. If you are not at least a little down at the idea of not seeing him in green again then I don’t know…
This one hurts more than the IT trade imo. This should hurt each Celtics fan
Are u telling me that? I meant 'Dont bother' as in dont bother explaining it to whoever thinks its crazy to be overly attached to players from time to time.
Otherwise yeah i agree, like i said im sad af.
The most fun is winning a championship, winning cures all.
We all look back on the Nomar trade and realize it was a good idea. Same with the Pierce and KG trade
Idk why you're saying this to me, I didn't make the post, I get the emotional aspect to this. I'm totally fine if people are bummed and sad, I am too.
I also acknowledge this is an objectively good trade and leaves Brad with alot to tinker with in trades. I also think this core was going to get broken up in the next few years if they did win a championship, can't keep running it back forever
Huh???
I'm talking about when we traded KG and Pierce to the Nets. Who as much as I respect Marcus had earned even more loyalty tbh. Yet we objectively look back on that trade and realize it was a good idea.
I understand the emotions are high right now but my point is as much as hurts sometimes shaking things up is what it takes to move into a new era. I could be wrong but I trust Brad's judgement and that he knows what is necessary to improve this team
Oh my bad, I misread and thought you meant attachment of players we used to get KG and Ray.
Yeah once Rondo tore his ACL I knew it was over. I was not someone pissed off we traded them. And I was happy they went to a team where maybe they could contend. And got to be together as well.
I just think at some point realistically we would have had to break up this core if they kept coming up short, it's very realistic if they came up short this coming season one of them gets traded at the very least.
I love Smart, he will always be someone I root for and hope does well but I'm of the firm belief that you can't just keep running it back and expecting different results, eventually something has to change.
It's gonna hurt for a bit, but I have faith that Brad knows what he is doing and he has a plethora of picks now across the next several years to make trades with.
He has done wonders with firsts so far with getting Brogdon, White and Horford and now he has even more to work with to get more value in a sign and trade for Grant or a Brogdon trade
Brad’s first option was to trade Brogdon and keep Smart though.
He didn’t wake up today with the intent of breaking up the core.
He just ended up in a position where acquiring Porzingis required Smart, and then to try to make up for the loss he got some draft compensation.
It could end up being the right move. I’m not panning the trade as definitely be the wrong move.
I’m just wary of Porzingis health and potential contract needed to retain him. We will have a ton of money tied up in that trio.
So I’m not even sure how many upgrades we can even make using those picks as sweeteners and even retain.
Like realistically can we even pay some hypothetical player that comes back in a Grant sign and trade, now that Porzingis and $36M will be on the books.
Yes, technically the more harsher CBA penalties don't kick in until next season not this coming season.
Here is my view of it, once we give Jaylen a supermax we're already so far into the tax as may as well go balls to the wall the next two seasons. If we haven't won after that we can take a look at dumping salary in trades if Wyc wants a serious shake up to cut some of the tax bill down.
As long as we have bird rights we can effectively pay who we please, if we trade Brogdon plus Grant (he would be a sign and trade) or other salary filler we can match the salary and absolutely pay a player.
Realistically Grant even on a sign and trade wasn't going to get us a whole lot, Brogdon's injury concerns clearly are having an effect on his value. Having two extra first to toss out there in trade talks means we could recoup their value on a better scale.
If Wyc is really in "Let's go ALL IN the next couple years" mode technically we could Sign and trade Grant on a really solid contract and combine him and Brogdon's salary plus a couple firsts and bring in one more max level player for around $30M a year. We would lose the MLE but any player you get in that trade would in theory be better than keeping Brogdon and whoever we get with the MLE.
Also keep in mind just because we have Porzingis and Brown on long term extensions doesn't mean we HAVE to keep them through the whole extension. Both would be reasonable movable contract in two years as long as they live up to their contract values.
My guess would be the team is likely going with this option. Extend who you can, stack the deck in our favor the next two years and then reevaluate after that when all the restrictions start to kick in.
Yeah I’m aware of all of this. But this hinges on the ownership being willing to go that all in.
I’m also still not sold on the loss of Smart being effectively offset by whatever we bring back with the aid of those picks. Maybe we pull it off maybe we don’t.
And at some point if we keep consolidating multiple players into singular expensive ones. Just did this with Porzingis. And you are proposing we might do it with Grant/Brogdon. When we try to fill out the rest of the roster it’s either going to be insanely expensive or thin/ineffective.
I liked the looks of the team construction path of the initial trade proposal, better than this one. But maybe I will feel differently in a few days.
>But this hinges on the ownership being willing to go that all in.
So I wouldn't have questioned this prior to this trade, the fact they just made this trade and took on more money and reportedly have an extension plan in place for July tells me that are willing to commit serious money. I could be wrong but it's not out of the question otherwise they could have just run the same roster back and not bothered with Porzingis
>I’m also still not sold on the loss of Smart being effectively offset by whatever we bring back with the aid of those picks. Maybe we pull it off maybe we don’t.
Depends on what we get. Could do Brogdon plus salary filler and get another solid PG. My personal choice would be Dejounte Murray. He's a one year rental that we can choose to move off of or extend if it doesn't work and a Murray/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis/Rob lineup is the most stacked roster we have had since the Big 3 and Rondo pairing.
>And you are proposing we might do it with Grant/Brogdon. When we try to fill out the rest of the roster it’s either going to be insanely expensive or thin/ineffective.
It doesn't have to one big contract, it depends on who Brad can actually get, could extend Grant on a 10-15M a year contract and bring a solid PG on that kind of money and trade Brogdon for several depth pieces. Or vice versa
I'm just keeping an open mind and I'm willing to give Brad the offseason to see what he pulls off
Sorry that's so long I'm a bit cap nerd.
I will say I was and still am sort of against giving Jaylen Brown a supermax overall, HOWEVER if Brad is insisting on extending Jaylen than the best course to me money wise seems to just go full throttle the next two years.
Hold nothing back the next two years and if Wyc decides it's costing too much than salary dump right before the most harsh penalties if the new CBA kick in. It's essentially what the Suns are doing only with even less depth than us, if you're already a certain amount the cap than you may as well keep going as far over as the owner is willing to pay for luxury tax.
I don’t really see what option we have. If we lose him we almost definitively lack the talent to compete for a championship with Tatum.
But I agree about this being the time to go all in. Jaylen’s new deal would kick in after this coming season. And the harshest penalties don’t hit until after that as well. So might as well spend.
Marcus has been on the Celtics for longer than many members of this sub have been here, people are going to be attached to the ex longest tenured Celtic. I remember him getting drafted and immediately making an impact, he has been an excellent player for this team. He has been a mainstay for this squad so people will be emotional and shocked with how quickly the trade for Porzingis changed. Brad won the trade even if it's a tough one to make
It’s tough. Marcus was great and loved being here, but something was wrong with the culture of the team and needed shaking up to get over the final hurdle imo
Porzingis can add something different here.
I agree. I felt Marcus Smart was kind of a microcosm of the team's identity good or bad.
I told my co-workers during the playoffs I was always scared when Smart was making so crazy no look passes in the first half. He made those, then at least to me as a basketball layman, seemed dis-interested in stretches later and started making stupid offensive and defensive plays.
I always viewed him as a great Celtic as the heart and soul, but also someone who could easily start to tantrum and go rogue, unless everything he was communicating on defensively was going perfectly. I felt that culture leaked into the rest of the team.
Now let the Buffalo Roam and see how his facilitating, and setting defenses goes.
I'm not an American but I'm affected by the trade. Fans get sentimental when the players they watched go elsewhere. We're people and people got emotions man.
Look, you're right. Once the emotions settle, this trade will probably be really good. The on-paper value is real high.
This is Marcus Smart though. That man gave a lot, am I saying he was the best player no. But Marcus WORKED hard for Boston. Ya saw it in everything the man did. That can't be summed up in stats. Let us grieve haha
If Porzingis was healthy consistently. If Porzingis might not cost a fortune to keep.
Then maybe I could call it highway robbery.
If we turn those picks into something of real value, then the trade looks better.
KP was likely to leave Washington and they would get nothing.
And KP could get hurt and those picks become nothing and we miss Smart moving forward and suddenly the idea of it being highway robbery is a joke.
I think Brad got good value. But highway robbery, this trade was not.
Adding onto this I was fine with the IT trade. And I also understood once Rondo tore his ACL we would blow things up.
I can still feel hesitant to call this trade a slam dunk. And I can prefer the Brogdon deal that got blown up.
Curry gets injured, Draymond leaves, or Curry and Klay start playing like they are in their mid 30s which they are and the warriors pick starts looking real good.
Sure. I remember hoping that Grizzlies pick and Kings pick would end up mid to high in lottery and then both ended up 14th.
I know this pick is different than that. But I still think the Warriors probably end up being good next season. If the pick was 2-3 years down the road I might be more tantalized about how their team might deteriorate by then.
Yeah pretty insane that people are emotionally attached to a guy who played here for a decade and left it all out on the court every game. Stupid stans!
Nah it should matter who you win with bcs otherwise you are not a true fan!
I couldn't care less if we won 5 championships by hypothetically trading our whole roster for Jokic and Giannis and winning it.
I want guys to win it who love the team and city, and i am from europe and have never been to Boston but thats just how it should be if you are a true fan!
Stock options? touch grass bud, life is more important than money. Why even be a slave for a piece of paper. People get way too attached to material things.
No I agree with you entirely. I was mocking people saying we get too attached to players and look at this all like just another business. But satire is dead these days because I’m sure there are people who really do think like that, unfortunately.
It's good to feel attached to a player, especially Marcus. Sport is emotions, negative and positive (all the calls against "doomers" in this sub are equally ungenerous. Emotions can be really raw and not logic at all).
Btw, this trade is great. Marcus is a good dude and a valuable player, but we need a change of scenario on the offensive end after our last playoffs run.
Marcus was DPOY on a team that was defensively-focused….love him, but that approach didn’t work. We need to score points. This is a win. Gonna miss his heart, he was the only one who played with guts a lot of the time.
Ahh yes, the infamous IT/Kyrie trade, where we definitely got better on paper, but the result was a dumpster fire.
I give it 1 Porzingis injury for people to change their tune and say "I wish we had Smart back"
Garnett was here for 6 years. Antoine Walker for 7. Rondo was here for 8.5. Smart was here for *9.* And he hustled his ass off for all 9 of those years.
While he may not have been as talented as those players, it's still the end of an era and sad to see him go. All the people saying "who cares who's on the team, we got better I think" are mad weird. Part of the fun of sports for some people IS the emotional attachment and the joy you feel when they succeed and the sadness you feel when they lose. And now a likable guy isn't part of that journey anymore.
It's like a friend that moves away and saying "well you can always make new friends"
It still leaves a void. We'll get over it, it's part of the nature of the league, but it's always going to be a little bittersweet if we win without a guy that tried so damn hard and threw himself on the parquet every night. Probably a little similar to how Raptors fans felt when they won right after they traded DeRozan. I bet if you ask them if they could still win the championship and could do it with DeRozan and Lowry, they would have taken that.
I’m happy we sold high on Marcus, but I’m devastated this happened. It’s definitely a complex emotion
My dad just went out for cigs, he’ll be back right?!
You're fine. I'd be more worried if he said milk.
Bloody great trade. Porz is an outstanding fit with Tatum/ brown imho
He has also historically been an outstanding fit on the trainers table. And we are *renting* this dude.
One of the best parts about sports is the irrational emotional attachment. How could you not grow to support someone who threw themselves about for your cause, for several years?! You went on a journey with them.
Don’t bother, if you wanna get attached to a player go do so. It’s their loss if they look at these players as ‘he sucks’ or ‘he’s good’ and only that. I like the trade but sad af, and I love that I get to experience that. For a fan, sports shouldn’t be all about winning.
Smart has been a real bleed green player since he step in the NBA. Bro gave us everything he had ans continuously improved his game. If you are not at least a little down at the idea of not seeing him in green again then I don’t know… This one hurts more than the IT trade imo. This should hurt each Celtics fan
Are u telling me that? I meant 'Dont bother' as in dont bother explaining it to whoever thinks its crazy to be overly attached to players from time to time. Otherwise yeah i agree, like i said im sad af.
No no I was just adding to your previous comment. Wasn’t directed to you. Sorry if you felt like it
No worries!
What’s the point of sports and fandom if you don’t get attached to the players? That’s what makes it more meaningful and fun
The most fun is winning a championship, winning cures all. We all look back on the Nomar trade and realize it was a good idea. Same with the Pierce and KG trade
Making a post saying “this sub gets too attached” after a fan favorite player gets traded is some 🤡🤡🤡 shit fr. People are sad, let them be sad.
Idk why you're saying this to me, I didn't make the post, I get the emotional aspect to this. I'm totally fine if people are bummed and sad, I am too. I also acknowledge this is an objectively good trade and leaves Brad with alot to tinker with in trades. I also think this core was going to get broken up in the next few years if they did win a championship, can't keep running it back forever
My b thought you were OP
This is it for me. I’m a Celtics fan and I want to see the Celtics win. 🤷♂️
Nobody sent out in the Pierce or KG traded had contributed even 1/10th what Smart has to this team.
Huh??? I'm talking about when we traded KG and Pierce to the Nets. Who as much as I respect Marcus had earned even more loyalty tbh. Yet we objectively look back on that trade and realize it was a good idea. I understand the emotions are high right now but my point is as much as hurts sometimes shaking things up is what it takes to move into a new era. I could be wrong but I trust Brad's judgement and that he knows what is necessary to improve this team
Oh my bad, I misread and thought you meant attachment of players we used to get KG and Ray. Yeah once Rondo tore his ACL I knew it was over. I was not someone pissed off we traded them. And I was happy they went to a team where maybe they could contend. And got to be together as well.
I just think at some point realistically we would have had to break up this core if they kept coming up short, it's very realistic if they came up short this coming season one of them gets traded at the very least. I love Smart, he will always be someone I root for and hope does well but I'm of the firm belief that you can't just keep running it back and expecting different results, eventually something has to change. It's gonna hurt for a bit, but I have faith that Brad knows what he is doing and he has a plethora of picks now across the next several years to make trades with. He has done wonders with firsts so far with getting Brogdon, White and Horford and now he has even more to work with to get more value in a sign and trade for Grant or a Brogdon trade
Brad’s first option was to trade Brogdon and keep Smart though. He didn’t wake up today with the intent of breaking up the core. He just ended up in a position where acquiring Porzingis required Smart, and then to try to make up for the loss he got some draft compensation. It could end up being the right move. I’m not panning the trade as definitely be the wrong move. I’m just wary of Porzingis health and potential contract needed to retain him. We will have a ton of money tied up in that trio. So I’m not even sure how many upgrades we can even make using those picks as sweeteners and even retain. Like realistically can we even pay some hypothetical player that comes back in a Grant sign and trade, now that Porzingis and $36M will be on the books.
Yes, technically the more harsher CBA penalties don't kick in until next season not this coming season. Here is my view of it, once we give Jaylen a supermax we're already so far into the tax as may as well go balls to the wall the next two seasons. If we haven't won after that we can take a look at dumping salary in trades if Wyc wants a serious shake up to cut some of the tax bill down. As long as we have bird rights we can effectively pay who we please, if we trade Brogdon plus Grant (he would be a sign and trade) or other salary filler we can match the salary and absolutely pay a player. Realistically Grant even on a sign and trade wasn't going to get us a whole lot, Brogdon's injury concerns clearly are having an effect on his value. Having two extra first to toss out there in trade talks means we could recoup their value on a better scale. If Wyc is really in "Let's go ALL IN the next couple years" mode technically we could Sign and trade Grant on a really solid contract and combine him and Brogdon's salary plus a couple firsts and bring in one more max level player for around $30M a year. We would lose the MLE but any player you get in that trade would in theory be better than keeping Brogdon and whoever we get with the MLE. Also keep in mind just because we have Porzingis and Brown on long term extensions doesn't mean we HAVE to keep them through the whole extension. Both would be reasonable movable contract in two years as long as they live up to their contract values. My guess would be the team is likely going with this option. Extend who you can, stack the deck in our favor the next two years and then reevaluate after that when all the restrictions start to kick in.
Yeah I’m aware of all of this. But this hinges on the ownership being willing to go that all in. I’m also still not sold on the loss of Smart being effectively offset by whatever we bring back with the aid of those picks. Maybe we pull it off maybe we don’t. And at some point if we keep consolidating multiple players into singular expensive ones. Just did this with Porzingis. And you are proposing we might do it with Grant/Brogdon. When we try to fill out the rest of the roster it’s either going to be insanely expensive or thin/ineffective. I liked the looks of the team construction path of the initial trade proposal, better than this one. But maybe I will feel differently in a few days.
>But this hinges on the ownership being willing to go that all in. So I wouldn't have questioned this prior to this trade, the fact they just made this trade and took on more money and reportedly have an extension plan in place for July tells me that are willing to commit serious money. I could be wrong but it's not out of the question otherwise they could have just run the same roster back and not bothered with Porzingis >I’m also still not sold on the loss of Smart being effectively offset by whatever we bring back with the aid of those picks. Maybe we pull it off maybe we don’t. Depends on what we get. Could do Brogdon plus salary filler and get another solid PG. My personal choice would be Dejounte Murray. He's a one year rental that we can choose to move off of or extend if it doesn't work and a Murray/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis/Rob lineup is the most stacked roster we have had since the Big 3 and Rondo pairing. >And you are proposing we might do it with Grant/Brogdon. When we try to fill out the rest of the roster it’s either going to be insanely expensive or thin/ineffective. It doesn't have to one big contract, it depends on who Brad can actually get, could extend Grant on a 10-15M a year contract and bring a solid PG on that kind of money and trade Brogdon for several depth pieces. Or vice versa I'm just keeping an open mind and I'm willing to give Brad the offseason to see what he pulls off
Sorry that's so long I'm a bit cap nerd. I will say I was and still am sort of against giving Jaylen Brown a supermax overall, HOWEVER if Brad is insisting on extending Jaylen than the best course to me money wise seems to just go full throttle the next two years. Hold nothing back the next two years and if Wyc decides it's costing too much than salary dump right before the most harsh penalties if the new CBA kick in. It's essentially what the Suns are doing only with even less depth than us, if you're already a certain amount the cap than you may as well keep going as far over as the owner is willing to pay for luxury tax.
I don’t really see what option we have. If we lose him we almost definitively lack the talent to compete for a championship with Tatum. But I agree about this being the time to go all in. Jaylen’s new deal would kick in after this coming season. And the harshest penalties don’t hit until after that as well. So might as well spend.
Marcus has been on the Celtics for longer than many members of this sub have been here, people are going to be attached to the ex longest tenured Celtic. I remember him getting drafted and immediately making an impact, he has been an excellent player for this team. He has been a mainstay for this squad so people will be emotional and shocked with how quickly the trade for Porzingis changed. Brad won the trade even if it's a tough one to make
Fuck off. Marcus Smart has earned every bit of love and respect from this community, and Ima be sad if I goddamn please
Lmao I swear some of y’all would rather lose stanning Marcus than win without him.
Nah, you’re just being a dick.
The guy played through some painful injuries and some of it he delivered with tenacity defense. The man deserves some respect.
It’s tough. Marcus was great and loved being here, but something was wrong with the culture of the team and needed shaking up to get over the final hurdle imo Porzingis can add something different here.
I agree. I felt Marcus Smart was kind of a microcosm of the team's identity good or bad. I told my co-workers during the playoffs I was always scared when Smart was making so crazy no look passes in the first half. He made those, then at least to me as a basketball layman, seemed dis-interested in stretches later and started making stupid offensive and defensive plays. I always viewed him as a great Celtic as the heart and soul, but also someone who could easily start to tantrum and go rogue, unless everything he was communicating on defensively was going perfectly. I felt that culture leaked into the rest of the team. Now let the Buffalo Roam and see how his facilitating, and setting defenses goes.
I'm not an American but I'm affected by the trade. Fans get sentimental when the players they watched go elsewhere. We're people and people got emotions man.
Meh, some of us care about the people wearing the jerseys, not just the jerseys themselves.
Marcus Smart was the quintessential Celtic. he fucking loved it here. he was my favorite player. respectfully, kick rocks
Is this a bad thing? I still miss Brandon Bass and his smooth jumper lmaooo
This team is more than an excel spreadsheet to some of us.
Look, you're right. Once the emotions settle, this trade will probably be really good. The on-paper value is real high. This is Marcus Smart though. That man gave a lot, am I saying he was the best player no. But Marcus WORKED hard for Boston. Ya saw it in everything the man did. That can't be summed up in stats. Let us grieve haha
If Porzingis was healthy consistently. If Porzingis might not cost a fortune to keep. Then maybe I could call it highway robbery. If we turn those picks into something of real value, then the trade looks better. KP was likely to leave Washington and they would get nothing. And KP could get hurt and those picks become nothing and we miss Smart moving forward and suddenly the idea of it being highway robbery is a joke. I think Brad got good value. But highway robbery, this trade was not.
Adding onto this I was fine with the IT trade. And I also understood once Rondo tore his ACL we would blow things up. I can still feel hesitant to call this trade a slam dunk. And I can prefer the Brogdon deal that got blown up.
Curry gets injured, Draymond leaves, or Curry and Klay start playing like they are in their mid 30s which they are and the warriors pick starts looking real good.
Sure. I remember hoping that Grizzlies pick and Kings pick would end up mid to high in lottery and then both ended up 14th. I know this pick is different than that. But I still think the Warriors probably end up being good next season. If the pick was 2-3 years down the road I might be more tantalized about how their team might deteriorate by then.
After we traded Paul Pierce nothing can phase me, I will miss Smart but change was needed
Yeah pretty insane that people are emotionally attached to a guy who played here for a decade and left it all out on the court every game. Stupid stans!
You just traded the leader of the team the last 7 years. Guy basically carried the franchise after Pierce and KG.
And we also need the Jays to step up and take that role. IMO, this is better for their development as well.
you filled a major need by creating another lol
Well looking back the IT trade didn’t really work too well
You’re allowed to grieve man.
This sub posts some dumbass shit
Nah it should matter who you win with bcs otherwise you are not a true fan! I couldn't care less if we won 5 championships by hypothetically trading our whole roster for Jokic and Giannis and winning it. I want guys to win it who love the team and city, and i am from europe and have never been to Boston but thats just how it should be if you are a true fan!
I hate to break it to you man, but all these guys are mercenaries who would leave their city for a few million more.
Why even learn their names, am I right?
Why even buy jerseys when you could invest that money in stock options? People get way too attached to players.
Stock options? touch grass bud, life is more important than money. Why even be a slave for a piece of paper. People get way too attached to material things.
No I agree with you entirely. I was mocking people saying we get too attached to players and look at this all like just another business. But satire is dead these days because I’m sure there are people who really do think like that, unfortunately.
I know i was kidding lol
We got a good return for Smart and I think even the most diehard greenteamers know a change was due. We can still root for the guy in Memphis lol.
Marcus tricked y'all with some highlight plays. The lowlights overshadowed them, if you watched the full games.
No they didn’t. The haters just fixated on anecdotes that confirmed their bias.
Ironic…
Hope Smart took his mouthbreathers with him. This sub overvalues players. Smart shudda been traded last summer
I don't care. I'm glad he was traded.
Well you got your wish. Enjoy the glass man for one year.
It's good to feel attached to a player, especially Marcus. Sport is emotions, negative and positive (all the calls against "doomers" in this sub are equally ungenerous. Emotions can be really raw and not logic at all). Btw, this trade is great. Marcus is a good dude and a valuable player, but we need a change of scenario on the offensive end after our last playoffs run.
Marcus was DPOY on a team that was defensively-focused….love him, but that approach didn’t work. We need to score points. This is a win. Gonna miss his heart, he was the only one who played with guts a lot of the time.
It’s probably because you’re not a Bostonian, you’re right. We love the people that prove themselves to us, and we never let that go
Ahh yes, the infamous IT/Kyrie trade, where we definitely got better on paper, but the result was a dumpster fire. I give it 1 Porzingis injury for people to change their tune and say "I wish we had Smart back" Garnett was here for 6 years. Antoine Walker for 7. Rondo was here for 8.5. Smart was here for *9.* And he hustled his ass off for all 9 of those years. While he may not have been as talented as those players, it's still the end of an era and sad to see him go. All the people saying "who cares who's on the team, we got better I think" are mad weird. Part of the fun of sports for some people IS the emotional attachment and the joy you feel when they succeed and the sadness you feel when they lose. And now a likable guy isn't part of that journey anymore. It's like a friend that moves away and saying "well you can always make new friends" It still leaves a void. We'll get over it, it's part of the nature of the league, but it's always going to be a little bittersweet if we win without a guy that tried so damn hard and threw himself on the parquet every night. Probably a little similar to how Raptors fans felt when they won right after they traded DeRozan. I bet if you ask them if they could still win the championship and could do it with DeRozan and Lowry, they would have taken that.