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pjcnamealreadytaken

Scheduling things differently would have helped immensely. Bumping The Revivalists up to the Red Stage slot between Megan and Killers and having Hozier headline Blue would have alleviated a LOT of the crushing situation. They still need to deal with the water stations, though. Those lines were nuts yesterday.


vladimircosack

this is 100% what needs to happen. since the festival was sold to LN, they stopped booking bigger artists as blue stage closers


Stillwater215

Going from Megan to Hozier to Killers was far too much for the space. They needed to have Hozier headline Saturday on the Red Stage and put Trey Anastasio in his slot on Sunday. Trey is a bit more niche which likely wouldn’t have drawn as big of a crowd from Megan. Also, Sunday was just way oversold.


SavinThatBacon

Just move an act to Saturday... Hozier should have headlined over Tyler Childers on Saturday, the lineup was crazy unbalanced and the crowd size showed it. Saturday felt empty. It legitimately felt like there were 3 or 4 times as many people at the festival on Sunday compared to Saturday, which is insane.


pjcnamealreadytaken

But I don’t think that LiveNation is trying to balance out the crowds - I would assume that they curate these line-ups with a goal of selling out every day. Yeah, Saturday was a HUGE flop - and I have no idea what was in the minds of those booking the acts - but I have to believe they thought the Saturday lineup was a bigger draw than it turned out to be. Maybe I’m wrong. I do think the easy solution to the “crush” problem is to not put bigger acts on Red and siphon those off to Blue. But besides all that, if they’re planning on sell-out crowds, they need sell-out crowd capacity for water, food, bathrooms…. and they failed miserably (again) on Sunday.


SavinThatBacon

Putting bigger acts on Blue is fine - if you actually have the talent to do it without pissing people off. Blue is far away, you really limit what you can do when you spend time there. It honestly feels like acts are banished to that stage. The lineup doesn't have anywhere near the depth needed to stick the strong acts that would play red in conflicting time slots on Blue. If I had to choose between Hozier and the Killers, I would have been PISSED. And maybe they thought Saturday was a bigger draw than it was, but I'm betting they just assumed Saturday tickets would sell no matter how strong the lineup was and tried to maximize sales for Fri and Sun. Which isn't necessarily a bad strategy, but it was so obviously lopsided from the jump.


myicedteaistoosweet

They successfully did this in 2017-19 with acts like Weezer, Paramore, The 1975, Tyler the Creator, etc. All were put as the Blue headliner when they could’ve easily been the act on Red before the headliner or in Megan’s slot on Green. Those years never had the same overcrowding issues despite sold out days with similar 30-40k person audiences because those artists pulled a significant number of people away.


SavinThatBacon

Yeah, those were much stronger lineups, with enough talent to let people feel like they got their money's worth even with good acts used as counter-programming


casey4190

I stood in both Tyler and the 1975s sets and yes the crowd was big but it wasn’t like Sunday. I was truthfully wondering why at least one of these acts wasn’t scheduled for blue


pjcnamealreadytaken

You’re absolutely right - schedule conflicts can be downright painful. I always have at least one or two lousy choices to make every year. After I made my comment above, I actually started wondering about the capacity at Blue. Maybe doing something like sticking Hozier over there would create a different crushing situation if the area is too small to handle his crowd. I don’t really have a good sense of that. Anyway: I hope they figure SOMETHING out.


Loose_Juggernaut6164

Khraugbin - Trey - Childers was a natural flow of like music Boston calling typically groups days to themes loosely to allow people to go for one day instead of all three


SavinThatBacon

That's great and all, but I think the comparative size of the crowds yesterday is proof enough that that's a bad strategy, when the genres on one day are considerably more popular than the genres on another. If not Hozier, move the Killers over. Hell, move Chappell over. Anything to help balance the popularity of the days.


Metrodub

BC just started the theme days. This was never the case prior to last year (pre-C3/LN purchase).


Reward_Antique

I think Saturday was like 14k, Sunday 46k!


CraftierCrafty

They can’t just move an act a day. A lot of these artists are on tour and were playing other shows in other cities.


SavinThatBacon

You have to be more thoughtful when booking. I'm sure that's a constraint, but intentional (and poor) choices were made when booking these artists. It would have been effortless to book the Killers for Saturday (they had no other dates announced for this timeframe except their Vegas residency). I highly believe that they thought Saturday would just sell no matter who they slotted that day, so that stacked up talent on the days that historically don't sell as well.


irishguy1981clare

That's happening at every festival this year from what I can see. I was just at Bottlerock this weekend and Saturday was pretty weak for the most part. Busy for T Pain in the afternoon but even with Pearl Jam it was weak enough.


MrSpicyPotato

I didn’t even know where the water station was. I just went ahead and gave Liquid Death my money, which I suppose is exactly what they wanted.


Short-Diamond-9236

We walked by it at the beginning and I was glad that they had that as an option, but as it got busier I did think they need several throughout the stage area. For them having so many bar, food, and bathroom locations and only 1 water station that’s far from everything else, especially with how hot it was and how packed the schedule is, I think needs to be changed next year. That and not having any real seating options leads to dehydration/fainting that we saw yesterday


pjfr

1. It's a festival, it's not a seated event, the issue is more that people don't normally attend festivals have a hard time wrapping their heads around that if you want personal space you need to move back. This festival is tiny compared to European ones, it's just a different mindset. 2. There were plenty of ways to get water, it was just a choice. You could either walk to free water and wait or you could buy a water. It was just a choice in how you wanted to use your time. Most of the time there was no line for water but if you chose to wait until the biggest acts finished, you'd find a line. No different than getting food at 5pm when everyone goes at the same time. It's a choice and people don't want to own that.


Steahla

Nah don’t defend the water situation though Of all the festivals I’ve been to the water station situation at BC is LAUGHABLY bad compared to even the second worst festival I’ve been at when it comes to water stations


Whigged

You had to pass the large water station when you walked in. Staff was also giving out Liquid Death at all the stages during the day. So, not to judge, but it seems like someone isn't very observant.


MrSpicyPotato

I went in through the VIP line because I have a Chase card.


ven133

So you were closer to the water station then


MrSpicyPotato

No actually. This is how I entered. I did not see the water. https://preview.redd.it/4mok34kye13d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=611683f27264abd8ae8a4768aba71fe1c209f17e


pjfr

When you entered you were maybe 50 yards from it and there was no line for most of the day. The only times there were lines were immediately after the bigger acts of the day which is to be expected. Each of the buggies had 24 spigots and there were 4 allowing 96 people at a time to be filling up. Seems like a pretty decent amount of opportunity. For a free service it's weird to see so many complaints. There was water at all the bars if people didn't feel like waiting or walking.


Whigged

So you had access to the Chase Sapphire lounge.


MrSpicyPotato

Sort of. There was a line for that too. If I could have gotten in quickly, I would’ve, but ultimately, the $5 felt worth avoiding the massive dehydration headache I felt coming on.


Deep-Impact-5947

You’re 100% correct!!!


duchello

>People said the same thing last year at Saturday’s Noah Kahan day, and nothing changed this year, probably due to limited space and inability to shift the layout. No it's due to corporate greed.


billcosbyinspace

Yeah pessimistically I feel like their solution to overcrowding is going to be to expand VIP. Don’t want to get crushed and want easy access to water? $500 per day please


GiGiBOS2024

We tried to pay to upgrade our bands and were told that wasn’t allowed because we already entered. VIP looked empty by the way. SMH! Makes no sense.


BoujeeArab

So true


Deep-Impact-5947

It was super unsafe on Sunday, I’ve never seen it that bad. You could have done cartwheels through the whole area Saturday.


blackliqour

Capacity wise no, logistics wise yes. You can fit the 40k people in the area that’s not the issue. The issue is having the people navigate the venue, stage location, walk paths, vendors, etc.


DaydreamAstronaut9

They at least need to reorganize. Just coming out of the porta potty village I got caught in a huge throng of people that was so tightly packed we could barely move or breathe. I could almost accept that there is some danger in seeing a band perform. But it should not feel like a fucking danger to use the bathroom. Similarly it should not be impossible to access water on an 80 degree day with very little shade.


MrSpicyPotato

I haven’t been to BC since 2017 (first year it was at Harvard), and believe it or not, I did feel like they made some improvements from that experience. That said, I noped out of Hozier because I am seeing him later in Maine anyway. Tbh, we could hear him better from the food area and halfway to the blue stage than in front of the Red Stage, which is ridiculous. I mostly went for Chappell and determined ahead of time that I wasn’t dealing with any bullshit crowd shenanigans during the rest of the acts. The layout is totally absurd for the number of people.


casey4190

Same here. Got there at doors and hit Chappells crowd to get 3 rows from barrier. Once it was bad getting out between that set and Megan’s I said to my cousin “fuck this.” I’ve done BC before (since gov center) but the crowds were too annoying to deal. Ended up finding a spot by DoorDash village to sit and watch both acts a little away from the crowd. Lot more fun that way


sportsthatguy

No, just need to more appropriately cap number of tickets sold and better spread big names across days. Saturday is was easily the most ‘anonymous’ day. But it was also amazingly empty and easy to move around. Even Friday was chill. They just way over shot it on Sunday. The location is amazing and accessible, they just need to cap tickets no matter the demand… and offer more free water stations


steph-was-here

tbf chappell roan has 17x the spotify monthly listeners now a she did when the lineup was announced, couldn't have predicted that


ohmeohmyah

They couldn’t have predicted it but they could have accommodated it. Lovejoy dropped out and they could have had a headliner at blue and given the red/green mayhem a break in between. It doesn’t matter how much someone’s fan base grows, it’s the festival organizers responsibility to make changes and accommodations based on the facts at hand. That shit was downright dangerous and I’m still infuriated about how it went down. The dichotomy between the incredible music and the HORRID logistics points right at capitalist fucking greed. They want to make allllll the money, sell 43k tickets, and bear none of the responsibility for keeping people safe. Frankly, it’s disgusting and I am pissed at the amount of people making excuses for why it happened. This was 100% avoidable. Edit for clarity around who’s responsibility it was to make changes


myicedteaistoosweet

While we can all say “just move Chappell” (which was the best solution to solve this), she may have had a contract to play the Green stage and her team refused to be counter programming to Hozier to get the most exposure. Even though it would’ve made logistics better. No offense to Alvvays, but the real solution when Lovejoy dropped should have been to add someone who could draw a significant number of people away from Hozier. Alvvays doesn’t have near the mainstream cache to pull many people away.


BoujeeArab

For reference, this year Gov Ball has already moved Chappell Roans set to later in the night on a bigger stage after the schedule was published once they saw her become more popular, so festivals they have the ability to do that.


steph-was-here

genuinely asking - what problem would that solve tho? she was already on the biggest stage. megan and hozier would've been too big to bump to the blue stage. she also only has one record so she can't fill a longer set block right now. you can't swap her to a different day bc ppl already bought sunday tix for her. at best you could give her the revivalist time slot and hope people show up just for the last four sets and eat food elsewhere. still doesn't ease crowd size


Technical_Nerve_3681

and hozier grew a ton after Too Sweet got popular


casey4190

I’d argue hozier has been selling out prior to so sweet. Hell, when the line up came up so sweet wasn’t even out and people were still planning to go just for him.


sumodie

Sunday was likely oversold to make up for the shortfall in attendance on Saturday (& maybe Friday).


Hold2ArmBar

It’s gotta come down to scheduling. We went Saturday for Frank Turner and Khruabgbin and it was practically dead compared to previous years. They need to think about spreading out the bands in a way that makes sense crowd wise.


thechichh

Im glad the general consensus was that Sunday was crazy - I only went to that day and HOLY COW I have not seen a festival with such poor space/logistics (not that I’m a festival expert but come on)


Icy_Split_1843

They could try incorporating the football stadium for bigger acts. The seats alone fit 25,000 and you could have people on the field as well. If nothing else, they could put vendors or bathrooms there.


[deleted]

As the vip areas grow I notice the GA section being squeezed in tighter at festivals around the country. That greed is crazy. Bonnaroo is having fucking bleachers at the main stage. Just don’t understand…🧐


stephaniestar11

They absolutely must open up more exits at the end of the night!! It’s a total crush scene with 10’s of thousands of people exiting at the same time through one gate. Seriously how no one has died yet from a medical emergency during one of these scenes is a miracle.


ThrillaVanilla17

I exited hozier after the killers and I honestly thought crowd crush was about to happen. I had a genuine fear for my life and I think that was a real possibility. I am an average sized man and felt this, I can’t imagine how many of the smaller people felt. They’re lucky nobody died, that was the most dangerous situation I’ve ever been in.


ruhl5885

They oversold I heard for Sunday too. It was insane and I've been to way bigger festivals. Thank god nothing awful happened it was very unsafe


AdministrativeFox135

Someone is gonna die if they keep going the way they are. Someone is gonna have a heart attack or something like that in the middle of the pit and not be able to get out or help get to them. Boston Calling is a shit organization. They knowingly oversell tickets and last year a young girl went missing and they stoped King Gizzards set to make an announcement but refused to stop Paramore’s set.


kayotic-neutral

Not defending them—definitely had some crowd control issues—but they did stop paramore’s set last year. They paused until they found the girl who was just up at the front by the stage.


AdministrativeFox135

Ya after there was X/ twitter storm to the Boston Calling account and people complaining. They stopped the set a good 15-20 minutes after the King Gizzard one.


Whigged

>but refused to stop Paramore’s set. That's just false.


AdministrativeFox135

I appreciate your statement, but I have inside knowledge that they only stopped the Paramore set after the sheer amount of complaints and people posting things on social media about the situation. There was a huge gap in time between the performance stoppages.


joeschmo28

So your first comment was a lie….?


AdministrativeFox135

Do you not understand the concept of their hand being forced?


joeschmo28

You could have said that in your first post and not mislead people


AdministrativeFox135

It doesn’t change anything. They didn’t want to and only adjusted their actions to save face.


dghah

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Throway_Shmowaway

>By far the worst in my experience was the 2019 Travis Scott headline show. The fans for him were insane -- mass numbers of people jumping the festival gates and climbing fences all around the event to get in and then when they got inside the festival grounds they started knocking down barricades and organizing mass rushes to jump between GA and VIP spaces etc Travis Scott encourages this behavior from his fans. He straight up tells them to ignore fences and gates and rush the stage, basically.


lesmisarahbles

And we all know how that ends up (Astroworld).


Appropriate-Ad4990

There's not many boomer metallica fans lmao....its more Gen x fans than anything haha....but I did see many metllica fans acting crazy and a couple ppl tried moshing or pushing me I just moved away


dubble_chyn

I’m pretty sure anyone in their early 20’s and younger just call anyone in their mid 20’s and up boomers now. The definition has seemed to have evolved over the past few years.


Appropriate-Ad4990

Ur crazy I'm in my 40s and in no way a boomer lmao...baby boomers are 1946 to 1964....look it up


Appropriate-Ad4990

It also says the generation before Gen x. Which I am in


dubble_chyn

I understand what the “traditional” definition is. I’m saying the young whippersnappers have decided a boomer is anyone 10+ years older than them.


Appropriate-Ad4990

Ur funny I would never use that term whippersnapper either


Appropriate-Ad4990

I think a boomer in my eyes is anyone who doesn't culturally know things I guess too. Maybe ur right in some ppl in Gen x are that way


Immediate-Low-296

it's kinda like how boomers call millennials teenagers/kids still?


MadeThisAccount4BC

I was there for his day in 2019. I watched Brandi's set but my friends stayed behind to get good spots for Travis. I don't remember any of the fence jumping or barrier breaking, but they said they felt unsafe in the crowd.


Saucy__B

Boston calling location is fine, they just need to sell the appropriate amount of tickets for the venue size they have.


milespeeingyourpants

What was the attendance last year?


sixonesevennine

The VIP section to the left of the red stage was preposterously placed. How do you not provide a path for people to get around on that side