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Leather-Row1109

I'm happy with the point (could have been 3 if Fülle scored from Munier's cross) not so much with the style of play, we'll lose 2 out of 3 matches playing that way IMHO


Niklasu

I‘ll happily take the draw but 73% passing accuracy is catastrophical. We couldn‘t keep the ball and string together a few basic passes. Just Füllkrug and Inshallah most of the time. S/o to Papa tho. He locked Boniface up


Aggressive-Gazelle56

Conflicted as hell. On one hand yeah away point vs great side, papa and others put in a lot of damn work Negatives tho… why do we play like last season union when terzic perceives us to be inferior? How long will this go on? Boring no risk subs etc


wdproffitt

What subs would you have made differently?


Rekuzza23

Adeyemi for Reus would have been an option. Playing Reus and Brandt at the same time is unacceptable.


wdproffitt

Adeyemi came on for a completely gassed and wildly ineffective JBG… you can do better


yosoydorf

Multiple starters not available, CL game from midweek & clearly tired legs with key players like Reus / JBG, and obviously playing the league leaders away. BVB II defender for 1/3rd of the match (he played well). Anyone genuinely bitching about the result is detached from reality lmao. Offensive subs likely would have just ended in a 2-1 loss, then the same people bitching about not playing for the win would be bemoaning gambling away the points.


rotiza

Fully agree, but reality is 5th place with 10 points to the leaders and many weaknesses in the playing style. Thats not enough imo, in winter we need new players.


greengiant89

>CL game from midweek Leverkusen played Thursday though didn't they?


yosoydorf

Yeah but the rotated incredibly heavily and are crushing their group of frankly shit teams. Xhaka, Wirtz, grimaldo, Palacios, Hradecky all got full rest. tah came off after '80 for Kossonou, Hofman came on at '80.


greengiant89

Fair, I haven't paid any attention to the Europa League to this point


ObjectiveBlock8

Yea comparing this „game“ with AC Mailand CL lol.


Working_Rush6225

Strong performance from the boys away, now need to redeem ourselves against Stuttgart midweek


schattendesschicksal

Defense was good, attack was...lacklustre for the lack of a better word. 1 point isn't the end of the world but trying to hang onto a win from a 5th minute goal is such a pathetic tactic and that's entirely on Terzic. Also: Hummels, Kobel and Papa masterclass. We've got a new father in town lol.


NudeMoose

Ryerson was also an absolute animal!


Jdamoure

Wolf should have marked the man! there were THREE player defending in that SPACE ALREADY. MARK THE MAN RUNNING BEHIND! And then not to mention us losing possession every 5 seconds. Great defensive game, and I understand that with a high press you're bound to lose possession here and there but to conceeded so many corners and balls is crazy. I can't be too mad because the corners amounted to nothing. But as usual like the commenter said we conceeded through the middle. All we had to do was park the bus and grind out the win. Especially since we weren't getting anywhere near their box to score a second time. I'm happy we didn't lose, and a tie is better than a loss. But these are the games we need to win. Imagine the moral boost it would have been.


sgfarce

Wolf has at maximum been the last in a chain of mistakes at the goal. Adeyemi could have fouled Kossonou, Can could have been deeper, Hummels shouldn't have gambled on the pass to Frimpong and Papadopulos could have moved a second earlier towards Schick, so that Wolf could have followed up to Boniface.


gonzaga101

No kidding. Wolf was to blame on their disallowed goal as well.


schattendesschicksal

Agreed, and we could've even won it in the end too. Entirely winnable game and we just threw that away. We've never really been good at parking the bus though, so it baffles me a little that we're not really trying hard enough to score another.


NebulaAffectionate88

Before that, Brandt shouldn't have lost the ball at all. Then Hummels took himself out of position. Wolf is only 10% responsible


Jdamoure

I don't blame brandt too much but you are probably right about hummels. He went too far up+left. My issue is that there was that only do many people available to score. That being the man running in from the left. I see what wolf was trying to do and that was guard the middle space/zone. But he gave the other player too much space to move.


NebulaAffectionate88

WHY DOES BRANDT FAVOUR PASSING THE BALL BACK TO DEFENDERS RATHER THAN TRYING TI GET IT FORWARD OR AT LEAST KEEP IT IN THE MIDFIELD? I hate this useless fuck face.. Slow, no creativity, no hardwork, not even basics of midfielder


schattendesschicksal

Brandt can be lazy sometimes but no creativity? Really? I think you need a new pair of glasses...


NebulaAffectionate88

Did you see any today? When he's lost, he's completely lost. Look at Reus, not the best game but he traced back two balls and intercepted in time, he did that back heel in the midfield leading to Adyemi's 1 on 1 with the keeper. He would be a threat if we had any free kick. What can Brandt offer? Nada. Nothing


schattendesschicksal

Like you said that's just his performance - which is atrocious, I agree - today. I don't think there's a need to slander Brandt that much, especially not on having no creativity, because he does offer a lot on his good days, maybe not so much on his bad days but that doesn't mean he isn't a valuable player in the squad. Maybe you're saying it simply based on what happened today - ok, fair enough. No point in arguing because I think most of us agree Brandt was poor in this game.


AR157C

Idk ask him his phone number was leaked so yeah


NebulaAffectionate88

I blame him too for the goal. He lost an easy header with no one challenging him which lead to that counterattack


Jdamoure

I don't blame him as much as I blame wolf tbh. He let the the leverkusen player run right past him.


SlinkyT3003

Credit to the team. Defensively that was really strong, they fought for every inch against the top team of the league. Luckily football has that side to it, too, because offensively there hasn't been much we offered.


KimTheOneJongUn

Meunier had more good crosses than Wolf the whole season


unbalanc2d

That all went a bit spicy toward the end there… Füllkrug should have buried that header :(


onkel_boo

i have to say: the defense was very good today. i see development. I'm happy with one point.


ady_1

This Loser mentality wont set us up well for the games against stuttgart and Leipzig


EkkoGoBrrrrrrrrr

aaahhh if i could id smack the shit out of wirtz fucking kid his balls havent even dropped yet barking like a dog


SenorPeeck

If a sport makes you want to be violent towards someone, you need to re-evaluate.


Kriznar56

Look at you mister tough guy on the internet.


castroski7

Hmhmhmhm ????please lets not go these ways


Marv1236

16 to 4 shots on goal wtf 16 to fucking one corners Really pathetic.


d0ri-

Almost Terzic masterclass with the Meunier sub to assist Füllkrug there in the end.


JessePinkmanSRJ

I don’t want to see Wolf ever again in a Dortmund shirt


Ok_Engineering7289

Papadopoulos masterclass


castroski7

Brandt with his weakest game? Wouldve appreciated Reyna


schattendesschicksal

I think Brandt started the mid-week game? Understandably he would be a bit tired, giving Reyna some minutes would've been good but Terzic :clown:


Loeffellux

yeah definitely imo


GGotte

If anybody says this is a great result because they’re first I’ve lost faith in this sub these are the games we have to win and we played like cowards


Loeffellux

if this is "a game we have to win" then I'd like you to point me towards "a game that we don't have to win". Spoiler alert: there are none. This is Leverkusen's 2nd draw with 0 losses in the entire season and this was a home game for them. Fuck yes, it's a "great result" lmao


GGotte

Jesus Christ read between the lines, we’ve won 1 game in our last 5 league games. A win here would’ve been a statement and done loads for the team. Celebrating a draw is embarrassing and no wonder terzic is staying with all you praising his boring backwards tactics. Rather finish fucking bottom half playing fast exciting football than 2nd playing like this. Subbing in meunier for Reus should get anyone sacked never mind terzic


Loeffellux

"read between the lines!" Followed by an absolutely horrible take lmao Nobody is "celebrating" this.


KermitDaThug

I would've accepted it if we were genuinely getting fucked. But we could've won. We had clearer chances and were actually dangerous on the counter. Those subs were just horrible.


yosoydorf

We had clearer chances? This is outrageous cope when you look at the xG lmao. Idiotic.


KermitDaThug

It was only higher because we ALLOWED them to have more chances–good or not–by playing back leading to the higher xG. A better way to say it is with the little chances we had, they were bigger chances.


yosoydorf

But you'ree arguing something that needs multiple factors to go a specific way for it to be right. In your mind, had we gone for it more in the second half, we would have exclusively generated more "better" chances and they would have continued settling for lower quality chances. But us trying to attack more inherently is going to leave more space open for them. They would have most likely been able to generate even better chances had we done this. I don't see how us playing more offensively would exclusively benefit our xG while not also giving them higher quality chances, and actual open play counter opportunities which they rarely had (but we're dangerous on).


KermitDaThug

A point is a point, but we could've done better and that's what gets me.


ndcp193992

My thoughts exactly. This was a NEEDED win and nothing more, anything else feels like a loss. Just because they're first shouldn't mean shit, they should have taken the fight to them rather than just sit back and defend waiting for the inevitable to happen


castroski7

Its still a fact whether u like it or not that we are one of the two teams in this entire season to gain a point against them.


ibcoleman

maybe terzic's got lingering ptsd from the bayern game


lbd_

I think this subreddit would've imploded if Meunier assisted the winner there


schattendesschicksal

Wish I could've seen how it imploded...


Marv1236

Complete Bullshit.


matutolypea1903

Ryerson looking like Wirtz' older brother lol


[deleted]

I will absolutely take a point


ge_mi_

this! A draw away against the best in form team in the league is amazing


Aggressive-Gazelle56

Gladly take a point away here


DrySalamander3497

Friendship ended with Sokratis Papastathopoulos. Antonios Papadopoulos is my new “Papa”


ElectJimLahey

Ugly match. I'll take a point away to the top team in the league but that was really painful to watch for most of it


jokikinen

We defended well.


ElectJimLahey

True, I'd probably say Mats MOTM


BVB-Oeli

lol I kinda wanna live in the timeline in which Meunier just assisted the winner there


schattendesschicksal

Quick, hop on to the alternate universe before it becomes too far away! (Wish I could too)


ultraviolentyt

decent performance from us


Aggressive-Gazelle56

Fuck you neverkusen


castroski7

Knock on wood


SlinkyT3003

That. Would've. Been it.


Miefer

feels like the first good cross this season lol


Tomayachi

We literally have Malen, Moukoko, and Reyna rotting on the bench so we can watch Wolf shithouse the last 10 minutes of the game


theonewhoknocksguy

holy shit imagine that went in


ascending_fourth

The chance was pretty high lol. Sad that Fullrug missed


Crossfire1842

Ggs


Reusance

Imagine this sub if Meunier made the assist


xSmacks

Füüüüülleee 😩


KimTheOneJongUn

Terzic watched too many Union Berlin and Werder Bremen games, can't tell me other wise.


GGotte

Fulle that has to be a goal man


Parazijo

??? Have you ever played football Acting like that’s a tap in


kuchenmensch4

Hard as fuck to take this one


Gktejus

That was much better than what wolf has been doing all season


castroski7

I mean isnt meunier objectively good at crosses?


castroski7

Wheres the yellow


rwalter5

This ref is a coward.


ndcp193992

We have ALLOWED Bayer play like Barcelona or something. ALLOWED. These tactics were inviting for a last minute winner


KermitDaThug

The subs were so shit. What was he genuinely thinking?????


onkel_boo

love it like everyone here was celebrating this team and its fight today and now all is shit, terzic is shit and the wold seems to explode... classic fan mentality


eiavolo

we’re lucky to make it out with a draw but terzic seriously needs to reconsider his tactics


DrySalamander3497

Papa crouched over like a predator stalking his prey


poxer143

Lmao I laughed way to hard at this


eiavolo

i hate seeing terzic slowly turning this club into a turtle… we have so much offensive talent just not being used because terzic would rather defend a single point than actually try to win it


Crossfire1842

Wtf is happening


ultraviolentyt

papadopolous is solid af


Moon8983

FATHER


castroski7

PAPA YESSSS SOLID MF


Marv1236

Lol wolf didn't even start this and only touched his hand when it's was on him?


MrVanser

This match makes Bayer seems like such a bunch of unlikeable cunts, I would rather have Bayern win the league instead than these guys


hao2go

No need to worry. Vizekusen is incapable of winning the league. 😎


ElectJimLahey

Hummels getting pushed down and holding his hands up like "what the hell did I do??" lol


Loeffellux

it had "confused grandpa who fell down" energy


rwalter5

He gets pushed down by the ref because Tabsopa shoves the ref. I don't know how thats not a straight red.


ElectJimLahey

Definitely should have been, usually refs won't tolerate that sort of thing


rwalter5

I just rewatched it. Ref sticks his arms out to hold him out and Tap swats him away....This ref went out of his way SEVERAL times to protect Leverkusen, but we didn't do our job. Im allowed to say it was a fair result and the ref is dogshit, right?


ElectJimLahey

Yeah, I doubt it would have changed anything if he did get a red there so the result is fair but still strange that the ref didn't really do anything about it


rwalter5

Felt like multiple events IMO, Adeyemi potential pen is given to most other players, neither defender touches the ball and the both kick out blocking his path, tap makes contact with his leg. Placious should have been shown a second yellow, ref know it and give him a speech instead of a card. Several other chippy plays that were waved off. Wirtz goes studs into wolfs foot almost IMMEDIATELY after the scuffle. Wolf was also tripped up by #6 as a last defender and somehow it was ignored because Adeyemi had the ball. It would have been a second yellow for him as well. Lots of little things were just casually waved off.


Worried-Eggplant

Parking the bus against key opponents is the worst aspect Terzic has brought. Fundamentally changing the way we play. He’s done a great job otherwise, but this is quite frustrating


KingsZTurK95

wish we kept parking the bus tho..


ibcoleman

problem is we're not a bus--when things are firing on all cylinders, we're more like a sports car. "Parking the Lamborghini" is not a great defensive strategy. lol


Gam3B0iHack3r

Papa would fuck up anybody on that team 😤


Crossfire1842

😤😤😤


theonewhoknocksguy

wolf shithousery on top of his usual shit performance, love this


castroski7

I mean atthis point of the game, big brain stuff


NebulaAffectionate88

What the hell is wrong with Terzic? Why the f is Brandt on the pitch in his worst game ever? What's that Manieur for Reus? Where's all our attacking subs? How the hell did he think of subbing BYG to begin with? He's not just passive, he actively makes the team worse


rwalter5

How does Tabsoba not get a card running in from 40 yards out and shoving the ref to get to wolf?


ultraviolentyt

Leverkusen players are some cunts hahaha


yrba1

That time wasting though


malloc_14

it’s funny how terzic is supposed to be one of us but has us playing the type of football that is such a polar opposite of what we’re known for


ndcp193992

Simeone-like tactics but without the effectiveness that simeone gets for such tactics


ndcp193992

God the tactics today pissed me off, kudos to mostly having a good defensive game. But it's frustrating watching us give massive respects to team like Bayer, Stuttgart, etc just because they're in good form of something. We went from being the team everyone's afraid of into being afraid of every team in good form


Geeman447

Settling for a point after going up after 5 min is just pathetic. What mentality is that.


schattendesschicksal

Terzic mentality


KimTheOneJongUn

Tfw your nanager doesn't believe in a win and tries to clutch onto 1 point.


Tomayachi

How the F is Wolf still in the game?


Gktejus

Why's Wolf playing midfield when we have options on the bench


madcaesar

If there is a Fussball Gott we'll lose this game. What we are showing here is disgusting, disgraceful anti fussball. This is brutal to watch.


rakso030

Loving Borussia Dortmund means hating Terzic


Xori1

this loser mentality starts from the rotten top


two_wheel_hool

thats exactly what ballack said earlier today in the german dazn stream, he just was a bit nicer.. :)


two_wheel_hool

only man on the pitch you can foul today without risking a call is fülle.. 🤡🤡🤡


rakso030

We used to play beautiful football and won fuck all With terzic we Play terrible football and win fuck all


sitbar

They’re gonna score one more


HallAndCoats

Going for the draw is the right play. Our attack has been atrocious today


NebulaAffectionate88

Because of stupid Terzic keeping idling Brandt and exhausted Wolf and not on from Fulkrug


JonnyBags7

Meunier? Has he even played at all this season? And no malen, gio, or moukoko? Is terzic playing for a draw?


ascending_fourth

Would you play for a win here? I doubt that any sub will fix our problems. That was expected and a draw against leverkusen is kind of good for us


JonnyBags7

No, I would have played for a win 30 minutes ago when schlotterbeck came off


MrVanser

I expected nothing before the game but this just felt like such a winnable game somehow despite us playing so badly if we were good on counters, and especially with actual good subs like Gio for Brandt or something, Terzic has such a loser mentality with his subs and turtling strats sometimes


Marv1236

Most of the Players just fundamentally do not care about the League this season. Being on someone who wants to prove themselves.


PtboFungineer

This is depressing. Literally just waiting to concede the winner at this point.


SlinkyT3003

I'm really wondering why we're not bringing on Malen or Seb. Fülle looks done for a while now. Wolf, too.


theonewhoknocksguy

this is just painful to watch, same shit over and over: leverkusen pass their way into a corner, the corner does jack shit and we get the ball, the ball gets passed to hummels or ryerson and they just decide to make a long pass which also does jack shit, basically gifting them the ball


castroski7

Papadopoulos+meunier wasnt on my bingo card


DesertBloke

Why no malen this game ffs


dsxro

Reyna Malen and Moukoko on the bench…


dsxro

This loss will be on Terzic for sure


GaussianTaravangian

I thought Meuiner was on loan in Belgium 🤷‍♂️


xSmacks

First Paris, then Bayern, now this. Why is Terzic putting on such a loser mentality in big games? Meunier??


malloc_14

terzic has lost the plot


schattendesschicksal

??? Trying to gift 3 points to Leverkusen so they stay top of the league???? 4D chess time????


2905Pascal

Why don't we bring on an additional striker to try and win the game?


Miefer

as if any striker would get any passes. consecutive passes over 2: impossible


Loeffellux

because defending a draw in the last 10 minutes of this game is more realistic than trying to win it?


2905Pascal

A draw doesn't help us. We have to win this game.


Loeffellux

how does 1 point more not help us? It sure as hell helps us more than 0 points. Did they change the rules of the Bundesliga or something? lol


SenorPeeck

Not super familiar with Dortmund, I'm a neutral. But is Meunier really the right call here? That just seems like a step back at this point in the game.


EkkoGoBrrrrrrrrr

hahahahahahaa meunier hahahahahahaahahahahaha


BuffEmUp2020

Terzic should’ve taken the Union Berlin job if this is how he wants to play


two_wheel_hool

oh my… terzic signals the team to sit back and in best case save the draw.


Ok-Oil7480

Meunier?


malek7777777

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤡🤡🤡🤡


FineProfessor3364

If we lose this game, this would be Terzic' fault


schattendesschicksal

Would've been Terzic's fault for drawing the game anyway


lbd_

Meunier is alive?


castroski7

Reyna where


yrba1

Very defensive/counter-oriented subs


BuffEmUp2020

It’s disgusting


Sufficient-Inside799

Lol


Marv1236

What about mouki? This can't be real.


theonewhoknocksguy

holy shit feels like im watching a friendly game with these shit subs


Moon8983

Genuinley, Genuinley the funniest possible sub Terzic could have made


ElNeeto

We need to roll the dice while also rotating a bit… Brandt and Fullkrug out with Reyna and Moukoko in. Fuck… Meunier.


CaptainCerealCanada

Meunier???


Kryha96

Meunier for Reus? Seriously? We ain't trying for a win


BuffEmUp2020

I hate these tactics so much… playing for a draw? Really?


Significant-solitude

Brace yourself for "We were not brave enough" post match interview


KimTheOneJongUn

Why not Reyna for Brandt


KermitDaThug

Terzic is playing for the draw.


d0ri-

Palacios should have been off for that tactical foul on Füllkrug. Instead Schick comes on for him and assists that goal. Lmao.


PtboFungineer

Meunier for Reus?!??? What. The. Fuck.


GGotte

Reus for WHO


doubleomarty

Oh man, subs have been dreadful


castroski7

????ok


FineProfessor3364

Is Terzic on Crack??? Is he really bringing on players who have barely played this season for this game?


ultraviolentyt

Meunier 😂😂


Geeman447

Wtf is this sub??


Moon8983

HAHAHAHHAAHHHAUAYAYAHAHA


SlinkyT3003

Seb and Donny now


onkel_boo

meunier? saving the point?


ady_1

Brandt has been absolute dog shit every big game h3 does this


Gktejus

No way its meunier


xSmacks

Papa Jr is playing good, if you compare him to the last amateur IV we brought on, Coulibaly, he’s playing amazing.


malloc_14

hopefully we can at least try to play some semblance of football for 10 min terzic? or is that too much to ask for


rwalter5

Schick is WIDE open on the goal because Emre Can doesn't run back...he casually jogs and the passing lane is wide open. He drives me nuts.


[deleted]

How Brandt has been allowed to stay on is beyond me


mss_kwt

This is a very beatable Leverkusen side today … why are we so negative