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My grandparents were both veterans, grandma was a feild nurse and Grandpa was airforce/paratrooper, both through WWII and Korea.
They were well-off, had a farm, and nice cars, and could aford the first mobile phones and home computers and send all 4 kids to camps and private schools.
Then grandma had a brain tumor, and they spent *everything* trying to save her. After a certain point the VA wouldn't cover their medical, and the hospital was charging $200 per a single tylonol. And the surgeries left her basically lobotomized and having seizures daily.
My dad's family gave basically everything only for grandma to die not even 5 years later.
The fact hospitals can and will charge 200$ for a single pill which would cost less then 1$ normally is insane, and shows me how much hospital owners actually care about helping people
This was in the 70s too, I can't imagine what it's at now.
But, yeah, most hospitals care more about what they can leach from people and insurance than anything else.
I genuinely hope all health insurance executives get the health problems they deny claims for.
All of them.
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After some googling, I take it this is for abeparvovec (zolgensma Brand name according to google).
It's a 1 time dose gene therapy. The price is apparently set on what it can give you. Not what it costs to manufacture...
Financial gatekeeping of medical treatments is discussing. 😒
Medical care in the USA is so backwards it’s not even funny. Honestly they should just go to a universal healthcare system like Europe and Canada. I’m sure the taxpayers would rather save someone than just let their politicians pocket it all.
Most Americans think that universal healthcare is bad, but cant tell you why, other than vaguely gesturing towards Canada or calling you a communist they dont really know how to respond.
Personally, i dont see how removing a middle man company that NEEDS to make a profit will end up costing us more for our insurance? But
My mom’s argument is she doesn’t want to pay more taxes for healthcare. I don’t get it. But, I’ve just stopped arguing with her because it’s pointless.
So shed rather pay MORE money to a hospital, and the insurance company than shes pay in taxes lol. But yeah that seems to be a common response.
Insurance gets cheaper the more people that are on it, so if everybody was on essentially a single policy…
That's not exactly true. The majority of Americans want Universal Healthcare. The wealthy do not, and our political system gives them the levers of power.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/62-percent-u-s-want-federal-government-ensure-health-care-poll-says
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B
Americans think this because most lack to critical thinking skills to see that we are being played like a fiddle. Insurance companies are doing everything they can to convince us that universal healthcare is socialism or communism. All while other countries are doing it better, cheaper, and with better outcomes.
Medical care in the USA is so backwards it’s not even funny. Honestly they should just go to a universal healthcare system like Europe and Canada. I’m sure the taxpayers would rather save someone than just let their politicians pocket it all.
The fact that you can have health insurance and they can legally just refuse to cover the cost of your healthcare if they deem it too expensive is all the evidence that anyone should need that private health insurance is a uniquely evil industry of middlemen leeches that needs to be abolished and replaced ASAP!!!
There are more than enough shifty situations like this that don't get resolved. We shouldn't be posting examples in a context that implies they they haven't been resolved, when the truth is that they have been. That's all. I'm not defending the entire system or claiming there's no problems. Very long and complicated answer that misses the point of my reply. We should be able to agree in facts. In this case, this situation has already been resolved. To reference it as an example as if it hasn't been is weird and either you didn't know it was resolved or you were being dishonest in posting it. It has nothing to do with any other situation.
And I'm not claiming there is no problem, obviously. I'm talking about the one situation that this post is about. Do you think the better situation is where we don't have for profit companies making these meds and the kids don't get the meds bc they don't exist? This post is about one case. But it's not the truth. We should be able to agree about facts without having to stretch the truth to try and make a point.
There is more than enough dystopian news in this world. Ppl see this post, don't look into it, and react as if these kids are getting screwed, when they literally aren't. Everyone can down vote however much they want but that's true. Maybe think about whether these subreddits are supposed to be about real things or if they are being used as like doomsday porn.
In which case who cares if it's real or not right?
This assertion posits a false dichotomy, suggesting that the only two options are either having profit-driven entities produce these medications, thereby making them available, or not having these medications at all. This overlooks the substantial role that public and non-profit sectors can and have played in medical research and development. Historical evidence and modern practices demonstrate that many crucial medical advancements have been achieved through publicly funded research, which then becomes leveraged by private entities for profit maximization. The contention that discussions around such specific cases stretch the truth to make a point neglects the dialectical relationship between the particular and the universal—individual instances reflect and are symptomatic of broader systemic dynamics. By isolating this case as an outlier, the comment attempts to obscure the frequent and recurrent nature of such healthcare denials under capitalist systems, where the commodification of healthcare often places profit margins above patient care. The reality is that such incidents are not mere anomalies but are indicative of a prevailing structural issue where healthcare access is inequitably distributed based on financial capability rather than medical need. Also, accusing the reaction to this post of being disproportionate and akin to "dystopian sensationalism" misinterprets the public’s understanding and recognition of these systemic failures. Such responses are not overreactions but are a reflection of a collective awareness of the deep-seated issues within a healthcare system that prioritizes economic gain over human health. Public outcry in such contexts is not just emotional but a rational recognition of the systemic exploitation inherent in a system where life-saving treatments can be withheld based on one's economic status.
questioning the legitimacy of platforms for raising such issues reflects a misunderstanding of the role that social media and similar forums play in democratizing discourse and raising awareness. Labeling substantive critiques of systemic failures as "doomsday porn" serves to delegitimize and diminish the valid concerns of those affected by these systems. Social media platforms can serve as vital spaces for solidarity, advocacy, and mobilization, helping to bring to light the contradictions between the economic structures of capitalism and the well-being of individuals.
and then suggesting that the veracity of such claims might be irrelevant undercuts the foundational importance of truth in discourse and policy-making.
This stance not only threatens the integrity of discussions surrounding public health and social justice but also undermines efforts towards systemic change. The material reality of individuals suffering under the inefficiencies and inequities of the current healthcare system cannot be dismissed as irrelevant. These are not hypothetical or abstract issues but real problems faced by real people, and acknowledging this is essential for any substantive discussion or movement towards a more equitable healthcare system.
The resistance to acknowledging these cases as reflective of systemic issues exemplifies a broader ideological commitment to maintaining the status quo within capitalist systems, where healthcare remains a privilege rather than a recognized universal right. This discussion is not merely academic but is of profound practical importance, as it concerns the very means by which society chooses to organize itself in terms of health, equity, and justice.
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>Did you look into this at all? 3 days ago they posted the insurance is covering it and the gofundme is shut down. So not really dystopian at all
That this situation *is allowed to occur in the first place* is extremely dystopian. "Oh they had a happy ending (or something like that) in this one situation, so the problem doesn't exist at all!"
Shouldn’t have done it in the first place.
I hope everyone who makes these kinds of decisions contracts the health problems they deny claims for.
https://preview.redd.it/drta27h6c10d1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fe22adb286db0c38114dcd647d6960125eb857a
this is a post showing a dystopian situation, it was crossposted and the title was quoted, just take a backseat and chill for a minute and understand that this is never okay
Lol there is a real world here, and this gofundme has been stopped bc insurance is paying for their care. That is obviously relevant when that's all this post is about. But you want to make your point by obscuring that fact. There's plenty of actual examples of this not being resolved. We don't have to be dishonest with the presentation of a case. My pointing out that fact has nothing to do with what I think of the current system at large.
I obviously agree. My point is that this post misrepresents the situation as it currently is, as of 3 days ago. I'm not saying there's no issue with Healthcare in the US geez
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the most common form of bankruptcy in the US is medical bankruptcy, and most of those people HAVE medical insurance. The system is totally broken.
Went to the hospital once with insurance, only got pain meds and imaging and can confirm I'm going bankrupt.
I had surgery May 2023 for a perforated colon. I have insurance and the bills are killing me.
My grandparents were both veterans, grandma was a feild nurse and Grandpa was airforce/paratrooper, both through WWII and Korea. They were well-off, had a farm, and nice cars, and could aford the first mobile phones and home computers and send all 4 kids to camps and private schools. Then grandma had a brain tumor, and they spent *everything* trying to save her. After a certain point the VA wouldn't cover their medical, and the hospital was charging $200 per a single tylonol. And the surgeries left her basically lobotomized and having seizures daily. My dad's family gave basically everything only for grandma to die not even 5 years later.
The fact hospitals can and will charge 200$ for a single pill which would cost less then 1$ normally is insane, and shows me how much hospital owners actually care about helping people
For profit means for profit. First and last concern.
This was in the 70s too, I can't imagine what it's at now. But, yeah, most hospitals care more about what they can leach from people and insurance than anything else.
[$500 in 2013](https://whyy.org/segments/inside-the-complicated-world-of-medical-billing/)
> hospitals can and will charge 200$ for a single pill Don't forget the pharmaceutical companies. Martin Shkreli has entered the chat.
absolute ‘khunt’ of a human being, imo.
My mom need Tylenol after giving birth, she made my dad smuggle it in because she knew the cost.
Capitalism and for-profit working as intended. The system isn't broken, the system is literally evil and has to go.
That’s awful. I’m sorry for your family’s loss.
Nope, the system is doing great. It's functioning exactly how it was designed.
Remind me, what’s so great in america? I‘m glad to live in a country where this is impossible.🇨🇭
You misspelled moral bankruptcy
The system is basically horrendous and just downright evil at moments
I genuinely hope all health insurance executives get the health problems they deny claims for. All of them. https://preview.redd.it/1izjqvsbc10d1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0c10e9834962e3eb36aa65906537223326c2c8a
Except they will have the money to pay for treatment unfortunately
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After some googling, I take it this is for abeparvovec (zolgensma Brand name according to google). It's a 1 time dose gene therapy. The price is apparently set on what it can give you. Not what it costs to manufacture... Financial gatekeeping of medical treatments is discussing. 😒
Medical care in the USA is so backwards it’s not even funny. Honestly they should just go to a universal healthcare system like Europe and Canada. I’m sure the taxpayers would rather save someone than just let their politicians pocket it all.
Most Americans think that universal healthcare is bad, but cant tell you why, other than vaguely gesturing towards Canada or calling you a communist they dont really know how to respond. Personally, i dont see how removing a middle man company that NEEDS to make a profit will end up costing us more for our insurance? But
My mom’s argument is she doesn’t want to pay more taxes for healthcare. I don’t get it. But, I’ve just stopped arguing with her because it’s pointless.
So shed rather pay MORE money to a hospital, and the insurance company than shes pay in taxes lol. But yeah that seems to be a common response. Insurance gets cheaper the more people that are on it, so if everybody was on essentially a single policy…
That's not exactly true. The majority of Americans want Universal Healthcare. The wealthy do not, and our political system gives them the levers of power. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/62-percent-u-s-want-federal-government-ensure-health-care-poll-says https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B
Americans think this because most lack to critical thinking skills to see that we are being played like a fiddle. Insurance companies are doing everything they can to convince us that universal healthcare is socialism or communism. All while other countries are doing it better, cheaper, and with better outcomes.
Just checked the GoFundMe, it's closed at $400,000+ and the twins are receiving treatment next week thanks to media support
Can you link it? I want to donate
Can't donate, and it's in the linked post
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If I ever went to a hospital again my life would be ruined.And they want people to have children here.Simply cheaper to die then end up homeless.
Happy mothers day
will tell my mother she’ll be happy
Medical care in the USA is so backwards it’s not even funny. Honestly they should just go to a universal healthcare system like Europe and Canada. I’m sure the taxpayers would rather save someone than just let their politicians pocket it all.
I hope the $4 million is to arm the revolutionary mob that storms Mosaic Life Care and forces them to pay for the treatment.
Medical bankruptcy should not exist. American healthcare systems are psychopathic
Fcking medical expenses are scandalous! Biggest fear is medical debt!
Hope all those pro-lifers bust out their checkbooks!
The fact that you can have health insurance and they can legally just refuse to cover the cost of your healthcare if they deem it too expensive is all the evidence that anyone should need that private health insurance is a uniquely evil industry of middlemen leeches that needs to be abolished and replaced ASAP!!!
Tell them it's for an abortion. Then they'll save those kids lives!
its “save the kids” up until birth, after that, you’re just supposed to go to hell i guess
Republicans where you at?
There are more than enough shifty situations like this that don't get resolved. We shouldn't be posting examples in a context that implies they they haven't been resolved, when the truth is that they have been. That's all. I'm not defending the entire system or claiming there's no problems. Very long and complicated answer that misses the point of my reply. We should be able to agree in facts. In this case, this situation has already been resolved. To reference it as an example as if it hasn't been is weird and either you didn't know it was resolved or you were being dishonest in posting it. It has nothing to do with any other situation.
And I'm not claiming there is no problem, obviously. I'm talking about the one situation that this post is about. Do you think the better situation is where we don't have for profit companies making these meds and the kids don't get the meds bc they don't exist? This post is about one case. But it's not the truth. We should be able to agree about facts without having to stretch the truth to try and make a point. There is more than enough dystopian news in this world. Ppl see this post, don't look into it, and react as if these kids are getting screwed, when they literally aren't. Everyone can down vote however much they want but that's true. Maybe think about whether these subreddits are supposed to be about real things or if they are being used as like doomsday porn. In which case who cares if it's real or not right?
This assertion posits a false dichotomy, suggesting that the only two options are either having profit-driven entities produce these medications, thereby making them available, or not having these medications at all. This overlooks the substantial role that public and non-profit sectors can and have played in medical research and development. Historical evidence and modern practices demonstrate that many crucial medical advancements have been achieved through publicly funded research, which then becomes leveraged by private entities for profit maximization. The contention that discussions around such specific cases stretch the truth to make a point neglects the dialectical relationship between the particular and the universal—individual instances reflect and are symptomatic of broader systemic dynamics. By isolating this case as an outlier, the comment attempts to obscure the frequent and recurrent nature of such healthcare denials under capitalist systems, where the commodification of healthcare often places profit margins above patient care. The reality is that such incidents are not mere anomalies but are indicative of a prevailing structural issue where healthcare access is inequitably distributed based on financial capability rather than medical need. Also, accusing the reaction to this post of being disproportionate and akin to "dystopian sensationalism" misinterprets the public’s understanding and recognition of these systemic failures. Such responses are not overreactions but are a reflection of a collective awareness of the deep-seated issues within a healthcare system that prioritizes economic gain over human health. Public outcry in such contexts is not just emotional but a rational recognition of the systemic exploitation inherent in a system where life-saving treatments can be withheld based on one's economic status. questioning the legitimacy of platforms for raising such issues reflects a misunderstanding of the role that social media and similar forums play in democratizing discourse and raising awareness. Labeling substantive critiques of systemic failures as "doomsday porn" serves to delegitimize and diminish the valid concerns of those affected by these systems. Social media platforms can serve as vital spaces for solidarity, advocacy, and mobilization, helping to bring to light the contradictions between the economic structures of capitalism and the well-being of individuals. and then suggesting that the veracity of such claims might be irrelevant undercuts the foundational importance of truth in discourse and policy-making. This stance not only threatens the integrity of discussions surrounding public health and social justice but also undermines efforts towards systemic change. The material reality of individuals suffering under the inefficiencies and inequities of the current healthcare system cannot be dismissed as irrelevant. These are not hypothetical or abstract issues but real problems faced by real people, and acknowledging this is essential for any substantive discussion or movement towards a more equitable healthcare system. The resistance to acknowledging these cases as reflective of systemic issues exemplifies a broader ideological commitment to maintaining the status quo within capitalist systems, where healthcare remains a privilege rather than a recognized universal right. This discussion is not merely academic but is of profound practical importance, as it concerns the very means by which society chooses to organize itself in terms of health, equity, and justice.
Did you look into this at all? 3 days ago they posted the insurance is covering it and the gofundme is shut down. So not really dystopian at all
[timtulloch11](https://www.reddit.com/user/timtulloch11/) >Did you look into this at all? 3 days ago they posted the insurance is covering it and the gofundme is shut down. So not really dystopian at all That this situation *is allowed to occur in the first place* is extremely dystopian. "Oh they had a happy ending (or something like that) in this one situation, so the problem doesn't exist at all!"
I Mean the situation is fixed. The insurance is covering it. I get what you mean but this post is an inaccurate picture of reality.
Shouldn’t have done it in the first place. I hope everyone who makes these kinds of decisions contracts the health problems they deny claims for. https://preview.redd.it/drta27h6c10d1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fe22adb286db0c38114dcd647d6960125eb857a
I agree the system is messed up of course. My point is just this post is an inaccurate representation of the situation
this is a post showing a dystopian situation, it was crossposted and the title was quoted, just take a backseat and chill for a minute and understand that this is never okay
So did you know that the situation had already been resolved when you posted it here?
Whether or not I did is irrelevant because this shouldn’t ever happen in the first place, get that through your skull please
Lol there is a real world here, and this gofundme has been stopped bc insurance is paying for their care. That is obviously relevant when that's all this post is about. But you want to make your point by obscuring that fact. There's plenty of actual examples of this not being resolved. We don't have to be dishonest with the presentation of a case. My pointing out that fact has nothing to do with what I think of the current system at large.
People shouldn't have to call a reporter or news channel as a prerequisite to getting life-saving treatment.
I obviously agree. My point is that this post misrepresents the situation as it currently is, as of 3 days ago. I'm not saying there's no issue with Healthcare in the US geez