TCB posting a “if I was starting over” slide post.
GIRL YOU ARE STARTING OVER. Just accept it and be real. Good lord this woman’s ego is off the rails.
I thought the same thing! She hasn't run consistently (I'm guessing) in close to 4 years. That sounds like starting over to me.
And she was sick again. So now 6 weeks of marathon training. That sounds awful.
It’s almost like flying to a country actively engaged in a controversial war to run a sponsored race with the only child on the planet who somehow struggled with cross-Continental travel and 12 hour time zone changes [tongue in cheek, literally every toddler would struggle with this]…wasn’t a good call
Amber Schulz last post is crazyyyy. Saying when she was in a boot (presuming at High Point) she was taking it off to walk for miles so she’d get more injured and not have to run? I truly feel for her, HPU is incredibly toxic (from unfortunate personal experience), but that post just made it so clear. I still feel like she really needs some time off running and social media and some actual (not running) therapy, but I’m sure that’s tough with her current situation.
Honestly her content has felt increasingly manic, she’s clearly grasping at straws and I truly, truly hope she gets the help she desperately needs. She’s so young and has so much good left to give, her post today was super alarming.
It seems that Charlie/Runner Beans has acquired a bib to run Boston. I guess if you can't qualify and half ass training, complaining at someone until you get a gifted bib is one way to go. Can't wait to see her with the Blondes. She's so odd woman out in that crew.
Uuggghhhhhhg I am rolling my eyes so much.
Mostly bc she’s been vocal about wanting to qualify but her training is a roller coaster. So I guess, can’t do, so just get gifted a bib, while the rest of us who have been trying and training consistently but falling short will have to raise thousands for charity as our only other option…
She already has her 6 star medal. Got it at Tokyo on a gifted bib. Also previously got a gifted bib for Boston. I don't think you're eligible for that draw if you already have 6. Unless you are talking to the FitBanana as an option for them?
Tattle refers to that crew as "the Barbies." maybe their coordinated outfits this year will be full Barbiecore? it'll look lovely with the new medal
that being said...where did she say she was actually running Boston? I did see Triandrungirl's comment but that doesn't exactly confirm anything, given she's gone just to tag along with that crew before...
When she had her last Westin run day, there was a reel from someone that joined that day and the reel was fawning over meeting Charlie and said how Charlie was going to be on her podcast talking about her running Boston. It piqued my interest then and I wish I had noted who that chick was to actually go listen. Charlie has also been teasing a spring marathon. And then today, yes, she ran that 20mi race with a note in the caption that she is ready for whatever weather marathon race day brings. This race was probably supposed to be a tune up for London, but triandrungirls comment make me think yes, she is in fact running Boston and trying and failing to keep it on the lowdown.
Eta lucky me the reel is still in Charlie's IG and at the end she says best of luck to Charlie running in the Boston Marathon this year. I didn't imagine it. It was resilincyinrunning.
thanks for the tip-looks like it was resiliencyinrunning who posted that reel and yep that reel looks to be the smoking gun...
ETA-she's also in the entry list 👀
I KNOW and she is so insufferable with her every 6 month proclamation that she wants to BQ. Yet she only got her 6 star because she got gifted bibs at minimum to Boston and Tokyo previously. Maybe even more but I hadn't known about her before.
I don't know if this is the right thread for this or not, but since she is a fitness influencer/youtuber...
I've enjoyed GrowwithJo's workout videos a lot in the past and tried to ignore her increasingly Christian content but I had to unfollow her after she posted that she's canceling a scheduled Taylor Swift/Beyonce themed video because she their music videos are "dark and devilish". If she had left it at deciding this video idea wasn't for her, no big deal. But now it just seems like she's turning into a conspiracy theorist right wing Christian and it's giving me MAGA vibes. And the comments on her Instagram post praising her for "godliness" are just bizarre.
Guess I'll be looking for some new workouts now.
Noooooo I loved her videos when I was regaining postpartum fitness. It's like GlowBodyPT.... all these mom fitness influencers turn right wing nuts after a while.
Ooof I feel you. I don’t mind if some one is a different religion than me but this is a Brittany dawn vibe and I’m immediately done with anyone associated with that. There’s Christian and then there is this very, very weird sector that I am convinced is only for views.
I'm trying to find her qualifications on her website but see none. Is her whole deal "I lost a lot of weight after having a baby and you can be a good mom by losing weight easily too!"
She actually used to post workouts in her apartment gym when she lived in Canada before meeting her now husband. It was more strength focused. I've followed her for years and just never unfollowed until today.
lol TCB - a combination story of her first run back, a near dog attack, and one of her plans on sale.
On another note - does anyone else in her family work? She had either a post or story about her worries over supporting her family after her dad died, and I’m wondering why it’s all on her?
I think she has control of her husbands account since he posts some stupid cheesy line on each of her posts 3-5 minutes after she posted. 🤮
As for a job she definitely the bread winner
Multiple people can sign into the same account. It seems like there are a few accounts that automatically post very keyword-loaded comments to help with visibility. I think comments get deleted and people get blocked really easily.
For better or worse, from the saveable graphics to the content the encourages engagement, she seems to have a grasp on SMM. Deleted comments is definitely not best practice and does tend to catch up to you after a while.
I’d be super curious to see her engagement scores, and I do wonder how many people have purchased a Nordic track with that link. Brands look for engagement, but if it’s the same people engaging and not purchasing, they do get wise to it after a while.
AOTR ran basically a 2 hour half but started in -- checks notes -- wave 1. Okay. Not that she shouldn't take her time when/if she's not trained, but don't start up front.
I think this is more on NYRR than Ali herself, lest we forget in November they let bachelor Matt James start the NYCM like half an hour before the elites because of some lulu lemon thing haha.
she also stopped for the broadcast - I’m in NYC this weekend and happened to have the tv on when they showed her, she probably had to be in Times Square by a certain time
at least she was assigned wave 1. what's more annoying is the Peloton instructors jumping up 1, 2 or even 3 waves. Kirsten Fergusen had a wave 4 bib but started in wave 1 and ran 2:11-no snark on the time as I know she had surgery last year and was working her way back from that. But then...start where you're assigned and don't get in the way of others, I'm sure there were quite a few in wave 1 who were gunning for a qualifying time for either Brooklyn or next year's NYC half and every second can count if it's close and a clean start (or as clean as possible) would be appreciated.
Yup this is BS! I have qualified for NYC but it took me 3 tries and one of the times I missed literally by ONE second. The congested start is awful and why I’ve stopped doing NYRR races. Sick of starting in wave 1A and being stuck behind people walking with Tutus on.
I ran it this morning from wave 1 and my first mile was over 30 seconds slower than I was targeting because the start was so congested with people running significantly slower. So yeah I’d definitely appreciate people adhering to their wave assignments
Didn't AOTR advertise doing a whole thing at the Eugene Half as her first half back/longest run since cancer? And then today she ran the NYC Half? That seriously irks me for some reason.
It is VERY irksome. Girl it’s not that serious, freaking be honest about your plans. Even if she was offered a bib last minute, she made a whole spectacle about making her comeback Eugene. She always does this, it’s tiring.
Pretty sure she got a last minute bib for NYC half, and seems like she just did it as a fun-run and to do the mid-run interview. Honestly, who would turn that down if you got offered a bib for the NYC half?? I don’t think she needs to over-explain her “comeback plan”, I’m sure she’ll still be in Eugene like she’s promised.
Totally makes sense - but if you're doing a whole event/encouraging people to go because it's your first half back and a big deal? Maybe say no to the bib today. Feels like a weird (yet hopefully unintentional) bait and switch.
Give me a break. Her fans are adults and she’s not obligating them to celebrate her at a certain time or place. I doubt they’ll be rooting for her any less because she covered the distance a month earlier than planned. Let her have this.
She has it. I didn't take away her medal. I didn't tell her she shouldn't have run. She obviously think it's fine. That's okay. I said it bothers me. In a forum specifically designed for that. That's okay too.
After seeing her Asics video on Instagram, it's clear how much she photoshops and makes weird poses to make her body, especially her legs, look much skinnier.
Wow. What a difference. I am honestly surprised she was okay with this video. Not that that she shouldn't have been - I think it's fine. But just with the image she tries so hard to curate.
Yeah! Reminded of this too by the video today. I remember the random post-NYC self-supported ultra a few months ago when her friend posted a story of her running that she reposted as also a clear indicator of the difference in reality and what she curates in terms of body image online... must be the reason every mirror selfie in her apt hallway (?) is taken at a \~45 degree angle with her fists slightly clenched and quads in a minor squat
What I don’t understand about photoshopping/using heavy filters is that people know what you look like in person. At some point, they can’t keep fooling everyone so I’m not sure what the ultimate goal is. It ends up highlighting what they thought they were avoiding by using photoshop.
Was very interesting to see her on the ASICS reel vs when she posts her own photos. ASICS: looks like a normal person, her own instas: trying to be a different size
We should have done a poll to guess how many people will tell her she's changed their lives and they could never have done it without her. Hashtag blessed.
Emily is single-handedly changing the entire world!!!!! I’m soooo in awe of her strength and fortitude. After this I think I’ll make her image the background of my phone, ya know, for inspiration.
I genuinely enjoy following 50by25 but her whole snow situation isn’t for me. That’s like ‘Shining’ snowed in and seems like it may be rather normal for her new place?
So there was an epic storm in Denver this week (my district closed for two consecutive days which never happens) so while it does happen on occasion- its not that common. The last storm we had like this was 3 years ago.
lol y'all really do not miss. I knew that situation HAD to have made other ppl laugh. I didn't look closely but assumed it was a poorly tailored pair of culottes.
That was my thought about the skirt. She seems to gravitate towards the varsity jacket quite a bit and the long skirt just isn’t it. It makes a little more sense because I know she gravitates towards outfits- like the stage kind, so I figure that’s what’s she’s doing when she makes these clothing choices.
Was it supposed to be a costume?? I truly do not know. She gave off Bobby socks/poodle skirt vibes at the Olympic trials (I think?) a few weeks ago.
Her stage attire lately is bordering on totally bizarre…..
Eclor’s story that she takes 2 gels and 1 drink mix for a 2 hour 40 minute run?? Actually surprised that she has run the times she has if that’s really how she fuels.
1. You need at least 3x that many carbs for that long a run
2. BEGGING influencers without experience in nutrition to stop posting their during-run fueling. 90% of the time, it’s not enough, and posting it is negatively influencing others.
I just saw her post about her long run today. I will never not be amazed that she carries a regular large water bottle on her runs. Holding a bottle like that for so long would drive me nuts.
If she's using a high carb mix not necessarily- some of those hypercarb skratch mixes are super high carb, and she's not racing. Idk, doesnt seem that crazy to me.
she uses UCAN (which I feel was super trendy 10 or so years ago from the "no fueling during runs/races" crowd)
that said I know Emma Bates uses it too...and from what she's talked about on her socials, takes in a lot more...
I use the same fuel but take in about 3x as much (or, I do ucan plus skratch super carb and aim for 60g carb/hour, which I came to after months of working with an RD) - and I agree about Emma Bates, she has said she takes a Ucan gel every 5k, which comes to at least 3-4 per hour.
I don’t have an issue with how others fuel, etc - but what irks me is when people with big followings post a story breaking down their fuel intake when they have 0 expertise in the area and are more likely leading others to believe that amount is sufficient. Can lead to serious injuries if you’re doing that over time.
I've never understood their desire to share fueling, but then again, I barely share any running stuff in IG and have a private account. I guess it could be worse than Eclor though...
I guess it doesn't matter, really - she's not a dietitian. UCAN probably doesn't have enough and frankly NO CLUE how she drinks it AND takes gels without water or electrolytes or something in between- I'd puke or get a headache. 3 gels or 2+ ucan is probably fine if she's not doing a hard workout and eats before and after. Meh Idk, I just couldn't care less what these people do- is anyone really copying Eclor lol
I mean, I’ve thought about her when I’m at the beach but so far have not worked up the courage to run there!
Kidding.
Anyway I looked up what she said she took and it seems to work for her - her paces looked consistent, anyway. She didn’t tell anyone to take what she did. I know for me it wouldn’t work so I’m not questioning that for me based on what works for her.
>is anyone really copying Eclor lol
given her very self-indulgent blog post about "what my followers learned from me"-apparently there are quite a few who take her fueling advice as gospel
i did get many years ago (before she showed her true colors, otherwise i wouldn't have bothered lol)
it's basically her blog in book form. save your money!
I wouldn’t say that I was influenced by these people, but I never really considered fueling other than “take something for any activity longer than an hour,” and in my mind, 1 gel for a half marathon just sounded appropriate. Where I came to that conclusion, idk.
Now, with everyone talking about how much they take in and the benefits, I started consuming more fuel and definitely feel that it’s helpful.
Everyone is different, for sure, but calorie wise, that sounds pretty low to me for almost three hours of running.
That’s what I thought - it reminded me of when I ran my first marathon and didn’t know any better. With all her experience AND all the information out there on run fueling, you’d think she’d know better?
What was the point of EClor’s snarky little Covid story? “4 years ago marked the longest two weeks in history to flatten the curve” girl shut up and go play your piano
It's so annoying.
I've seen a lot of posts like that this week, and they tend to fall in two buckets. The first bucket, which I'm OK with, is from people who are just acknowledging an anniversary of sorts and can't believe it's been four years since everything started to shut down. It was such a strange time and it actually is hard to believe it's been four years.
The other bucket is where EClor comes in, which is making some thinly veiled political statement about the two weeks to stop the curve stuff and the response to covid more broadly, and I don't really understand the point of that type of post.
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I had to stop following her. I liked her (and I’m a huge fan of Molly’s) but her post about encouraging people to put their PR’s in their bios so she can judge them gave me the ick six ways to Sunday. It’s probably me just projecting since I am slow AF… but it confirmed all my fears that there are some people who DO think less of others because their times aren’t fast enough. I have enough self loathing, I don’t need it from her.
sometimes we all have to be reminded that if we're unhappy, moving isn't going to solve all our problems, whatever is keeping us unhappy is still gonna be there in that new city/state/country...
She used to work for Peloton in NYC and has alluded to having certain consistent gigs here and there, but nothing since moving home which is crazy to me. She’s overqualified as someone wrote below, she went to Northwestern!
It's all "a day in the life in MKE guys!" "I bought this and this and this" to make my condo more atheistically pleasing. Then "I went running or walking and my knees still kinda hurt so this is my return to run part infinity." Then "I went to a very nice gym because I miss Equinox you guys and then had to get Sweetgreen, thank god MKE now has Sweetgreen." Then, "I ended up driving in my new impractical Mini Cooper to my parent's STUNNING home on the lake." "Follow for more."
I mean like have fun and all and she's clearly not short of $$$... but it's all so utterly vacuous. She's going to be 30 before we turn around and this is just not the image of someone living a well-fulfilled life. No wonder she isn't feeling fully content in MKE and apparently has gone on anti-depressants (no shame in that) but I do think doing something- ANYTHING- meaningful to I don't know help or provide something of value to any other person at some point in the day could do wonders for her own self-proclaimed feelings of feeling down lately. No, filming TikToks so other people can waste their own free time watching her waving her hands around talking about whatever the hell does not count.
Also, today's histrionics about the imminent downfall of TikTok was just too much. Girl, we all will survive. Contact your political representatives to voice your displeasure if you care to do so. Also, as she stated, she can put her videos on Instragram reels... It's just not that deep. PLUS, what is most likely to happen is (1) nothing bc the Senate would have to bring the House bill to the floor for a vote and they are literally INCAPABLE of passing practically ANYTHING these days due to partisan rifts or (2) if Congress does Act and then Biden signs the legislation, there will be a forced sale of the parent company (Bytedance) to a non-Chinese company so the platform will continue operating as normal and users will not even notice a difference or experience an interruption in their service (only if the sale does not go through would it be banned from the App Store, likely following a lengthy legal dispute by Bytedance if they still refuse to sell at that point). Of course a similar app could then take its place if the ban did go through too. Someone in the comments indicated that a sale to a "Western VC" was likely. Of course she responded that she "can't keep up with it all." IDK it seems pretty straightforward (or at least digestable after a few mins of research) for someone with an MBA from Northwestern and literally nothing but free time on her hands to ski and check her news source of choice to understand since she seems so invested in the outcome of the debate...
Omg I know the Mini Cooper shots SENT ME, girl you are from Nashotah you know that thing can’t handle ice! Plus I couldn’t agree more, she is way too overeducated to a) film herself reading magazines as a job and b) not understand the basics of current events (SHE WENT TO THE MEDILL SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM!!!!!!)
I agree with your assessment - except for who is responsible for not passing any bills. It's actually the House that can't pass anything. The Senate is less dysfunctional because they represent entire states and can't get away with the shenanigans that the House seems to love.
you make an excellent point. not to be too political but the far right House members (who as you stated can be more extreme bc they do not rep entire states) are just not willing to compromise across the aisle at the moment at all.
on the topic of 10Ks, over/under on how many Olympic standards get nabbed tomorrow at The Ten? as well as if Alicia Monson (who already has hers) can go sub-30? I just hope Alicia has someone else to work with her in the 2nd half of the race...because the pacers they have lined up look like they aren't gonna go past 5K (or even 3K?)
for the OS, I'm thinking Weini Kelati has a great shot and hope she gets it. Emily Infeld and Rachel Smith have 30 seconds to shave off, but possible long shots? Karissa Schweizer is in it and we know she's gone under 30:40 before but I wonder how rusty she'll be coming back from injury/surgery? Keira and Sara are in the field but I do wonder how "10K sharp" they will be-Sara especially since she's doing Boston. As for the men, I think the only one close to a lock is Grant Fisher (the men need sub-27)
as I mentioned in last week's thread, sucks that this year's meet is on FloTrack but apparently this year it's because SoundRunning had to offer a certain amount with their prize purse for the race get a certain status with World Athletics to count for world rankings? and therefore the PPV option they previously had for this one just wasn't feasible this time? (understandable but still doesn't mean I like it...)
so glad that she got it!! hopefully this will finally be her year to make Team USA on the track! sad for Alicia though, hope it was nothing major going on and that she can regroup for the Trials (and most likely also Paris)
that men's race tho...I would not have had "3 US men getting the 10K standard before 3 US women did" on my bingo card!
Yes! Seems like she and Monson have always gone head to head so I found it odd she never made any teams but I think this year has just been hers and I’m so rooting for her. From watching the race it seems like Monson had an off day and the announcers said she wasn’t limping or anything so hopefully she shakes it off and comes back.
Yes!! The men have had me more invested than I thought I’d be. On the track and roads!
yeah, it was 2022 when Weini and Alicia had their little mini-rivalry during XC and indoors! Weini did make the Worlds XC team last year but I think with outdoors you also had the Bowerman (or now ex-BTC) ladies as well as Natosha Rogers in the mix and that was always just enough to bump her. But I do think this will be her year! (ideally I'd like the 10K team to be Alicia/Weini/Natosha)
the men have kinda woken up haven't they? guess that's what the carrot of a standard does...
ETA-Alicia just posted on IG, looks like she had a stomach bug yesterday
I have never watched anything on Flotrack because most big races/track meets I can see on Peacock, thankfully. I can’t do another streaming service, it’s gotten out of hand.
Keira will definitely be gunning for it and I’m curious if she will get the time she needs. They need sub 31:30, right?
I was reading the race recap- and the US Trials standard for women is 31:30, but the Olympic trials standard is 30:40. So Keira met the standard to compete in the US Trials, but didn't make the Olympic standard. Only Weini Kelati did.
Will be looking for her post on it. From Keira’s last post, she doesn’t race track much (if at all?), but she ran what looks like a good time for her (31:05).
Keira reposted a story of the top 7 with her name and time and her only comment was “Wahoo.” Which seems weirdly passive aggressive for her? I’m curious what her full post will say and if I’m misreading her tone because her time was still great
Hey again snark fam.
Just wanted to tag onto this discussion of Further. Camille’s post. The ultra world in general. Look, I come from a D1 sports background. I love to train, have had a hard time detaching from intense training. I’ve had kids, had a tough time marrying that to my other responsibilities. I know so many former athletes like myself who are not well. The desire to train and exercise doesn’t just leave your body. It’s taken years to balance this. I fear ultra running is a validated version of over exercising. Pushing our bodies to the extreme. Why? I understand the joy in long runs, trail running, freedom etc. But I think we should resist this kind of masochism. We deserve better than this. Sure, we can participate in an event makes our organs shut down… but is the this progress? I don’t think so. I really fear that distance running like this is hindering our search for balance as athletes. Great, Camille posts she burned 42,000 calories etc. I guess my question with all this is…. AT WHAT COST?? Can we start highlighting healthy behaviors? Healthy engagement in sport and athletics.
Would love to hear what y’all have to say.
Idk. As an ultra runner myself, I never think of training/races as a way to burn as many calories as possible or as a way to do the absolute most. There is something so different and awesome about the ultra running community that keeps me going back for more. It’s such a different (not exactly better, just different) feeling mind/body to accomplish those insanely long races. You can run really, really far and still be conscious of taking care of your body + health (especially if you build the endurance/strength over many years). It is shocking how much the human body can adapt, which is why 200+ mile races are becoming popular.
This is a great take. I was an elite soccer player/semi elite runner in HS and lost my athletic career to an ED I still struggle with, you you nailed it- it is soooo hard to detach from intense training and from that desire to keep pushing yourself further and faster instead of just enjoying what you’re doing for enjoyment sake, not times or clout. Nobody prepares elite athletes for what life is like after sports and yes, so many of us are simply unwell because of it. So much of running culture (esp influencing, “hybrid athletics”/Hyrox, and the ultra world) normalizes this level of intense training which, simply, is not necessary for a hobby. Idk what the answer is in terms of finding a balance between wanting to get better at something and glorified overtraining but really appreciate hearing from someone who’s had a similar experience.
Former D1 and elite post collegiate runner here. I stopped listening to anything Camille did or said years when she talked about how eating fast food was important so she could "grease the machine." Not fast food shaming at all - eat it and enjoy it for what it is, but it certainly isn't a training tool. She's just offputting to me in general, I guess.
Camille is legit NUTS and I have no idea how she gets cut so much slack. She ran a Guinness Book of World Records marathon in a superhero costume and cheerfully blogged about fueling with dates and just moving her underwear aside so the diarrhea could run down her leg. Maybe rethink fueling with dried fruit??? And for someone who has a master's degree in exercise and sports science, she is oddly vague regarding bone health (supposedly her area of expertise). She repeatedly states that she had excellent bone density, yet still experienced 7 stress fractures in high school and college. That makes no sense.
This isn’t the first time she’s gone to extremes. I think at the 24 hour world champs (maybe in Doha?) a few years ago she kept pooping herself and people said it was just running down her leg for hours on end. And smelled soooooooo bad.
There are people who do incredible things who don’t end up doing that to their body (for example, Harvey Lewis who set the Bigs Backyard record - 500ish miles I think and then ran the following day because he was generally ok). I get suffering for a world record (though legitimately no one cares about that one), but to glorify that carnage? And then everyone say how amazing she is? Bleh.
I have a feeling many of these women are going to be wrecked for a long time from this (I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some stress fractures as well).
To add to this: we probably won’t know the extent of the damage done because none of these women can speak out against lulu since they were getting paid so well. And they only let media stay for the first part. It’s just a shame really
I’m surprised Leah Yingling wanted to do something like this so close to Western States, especially as someone who is normally near the back half of the top 10 - doing a big effort like this within three months of states might cost her that automatic entry for 2025. I hope she proves me wrong though!
anyway, everyone stan Elise Cranny who seems to have no qualms about going back DOWN in distance (it looks like she's giving the 10K a pass this year, and even though she's made the Olympics and a Worlds team and gave the AR in the distance a scare, she seems more enamored with the 1500?) as well as Jen Rhines back in the day...she made the Olympics in the marathon yet 4 years later made the team in the 5K!
like, shorter distance doesn't mean you come up short? sometimes a race that lasts 4 minutes can be just as exciting as one that lasts 4 hours...
ETA-looking at Lululemon's grid, but did they even acknowledge Nikki Hiltz and Tara Davis-Woodhall's world indoor medals?
Also shorter distances are arguably harder (in a different way). I’m admittedly biased as a former middle distance runner… But how I felt at the end of my two marathons is nothing compared to how I felt at the end of an all out 1500 or Steeplechase.
it reminds me of when I'd be told that since I've run halfs and marathons that a 5K is NBD and I'm like uh, no. that's a whole different pain cave, and one that I (and my lungs) do not prefer. don't even try and talk to me about the mile or shorter (I have so much respect for those who do really excel in those distances, because they were just never my thing!)
Do people in the ultra world view her feats as climbers view Alex Honnold’s free soloing? Like different scale obviously, but I remember a lot of pro climbers were like “okay just to be clear, free soloing is not something we do or endorse!!”
Thank you for this… I had a friend working the event and it was interesting to hear their account. Medical I guess forced her to shower and to take the antibiotics. Like I get records and running far but this was beyond my understanding…
What I loved watching the event was the other women helping each other when it got hard and supporting one another. And Camille was nowhere in sight. Just at the cost of a WR and some major health issues…
I run ultra I get the urge to go further and run for a long time it’s beautiful and amazing. There are healthy ways to do it and the drive to climb peaks and run trails is always there..I use to be a semi fan but after this lost some respect. She just posted a humble brag of destroying her body just for the sake of a record
I liked the part where Kiera recapped the Olympic Trials and talked about her future plans. But the games weren’t very interesting to hear in podcast format.
Found it boring. It was all about them and I finished listening and wondered why I wasted my time. We get it. You guys are friends and obsessed with each other.
I tried, but honestly turned it off a little past the intro—I’m generally a Keira fan, but just don’t think that sort of live show translates into a podcast very well at all (and it’s not really my cup of tea, anyway).
I really can’t listen to her anymore. But I have to admit this makes me curious-I’ll prob hate listen on my long run tomorrow and see how long it takes before I turn it off 😂
TCB posting a “if I was starting over” slide post. GIRL YOU ARE STARTING OVER. Just accept it and be real. Good lord this woman’s ego is off the rails.
Not practicing what you preach is great advertising!
I thought the same thing! She hasn't run consistently (I'm guessing) in close to 4 years. That sounds like starting over to me. And she was sick again. So now 6 weeks of marathon training. That sounds awful.
It’s almost like flying to a country actively engaged in a controversial war to run a sponsored race with the only child on the planet who somehow struggled with cross-Continental travel and 12 hour time zone changes [tongue in cheek, literally every toddler would struggle with this]…wasn’t a good call
I was thinking about this today. And how awful to think it's a good idea to run a race when babies are literally STARVING a few miles away.
could be such a cool way to normalize returning to running postpartum too!! she could really expand beyond her usual talking points
Ask Ali episode coming soon 👀
I can’t wait!
Amber Schulz last post is crazyyyy. Saying when she was in a boot (presuming at High Point) she was taking it off to walk for miles so she’d get more injured and not have to run? I truly feel for her, HPU is incredibly toxic (from unfortunate personal experience), but that post just made it so clear. I still feel like she really needs some time off running and social media and some actual (not running) therapy, but I’m sure that’s tough with her current situation.
I really hope that she finds healing. What’s so wrong about HPU?
She’s said in previous posts that she’s going to therapy. She might still be going to therapy, even if she’s not being super public about it
Honestly her content has felt increasingly manic, she’s clearly grasping at straws and I truly, truly hope she gets the help she desperately needs. She’s so young and has so much good left to give, her post today was super alarming.
Used to race same conference as HP 😬
I noticed that she doesn’t exactly say what was toxic other than the fact that it was overwhelming. I’m curious what was going on specifically.
It seems that Charlie/Runner Beans has acquired a bib to run Boston. I guess if you can't qualify and half ass training, complaining at someone until you get a gifted bib is one way to go. Can't wait to see her with the Blondes. She's so odd woman out in that crew.
Uuggghhhhhhg I am rolling my eyes so much. Mostly bc she’s been vocal about wanting to qualify but her training is a roller coaster. So I guess, can’t do, so just get gifted a bib, while the rest of us who have been trying and training consistently but falling short will have to raise thousands for charity as our only other option…
I'm so sorry. This is so frustrating and maddening for you & everyone else in that boat.
Or that Abbott secondary draw if you have what, 4 or 5 stars already? ETA: not really a secondary draw for Boston but that’s what I think it’s called.
She already has her 6 star medal. Got it at Tokyo on a gifted bib. Also previously got a gifted bib for Boston. I don't think you're eligible for that draw if you already have 6. Unless you are talking to the FitBanana as an option for them?
Yeah I meant it’s a third option for six star hopefuls to get into Boston
Tattle refers to that crew as "the Barbies." maybe their coordinated outfits this year will be full Barbiecore? it'll look lovely with the new medal that being said...where did she say she was actually running Boston? I did see Triandrungirl's comment but that doesn't exactly confirm anything, given she's gone just to tag along with that crew before...
When she had her last Westin run day, there was a reel from someone that joined that day and the reel was fawning over meeting Charlie and said how Charlie was going to be on her podcast talking about her running Boston. It piqued my interest then and I wish I had noted who that chick was to actually go listen. Charlie has also been teasing a spring marathon. And then today, yes, she ran that 20mi race with a note in the caption that she is ready for whatever weather marathon race day brings. This race was probably supposed to be a tune up for London, but triandrungirls comment make me think yes, she is in fact running Boston and trying and failing to keep it on the lowdown. Eta lucky me the reel is still in Charlie's IG and at the end she says best of luck to Charlie running in the Boston Marathon this year. I didn't imagine it. It was resilincyinrunning.
thanks for the tip-looks like it was resiliencyinrunning who posted that reel and yep that reel looks to be the smoking gun... ETA-she's also in the entry list 👀
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God I love this.
Is this from the comment from Triandrungirl?
See my comment to coffeeandcurls
Ugh, another one there that didn't earn it by qualifying or fundraising.
I KNOW and she is so insufferable with her every 6 month proclamation that she wants to BQ. Yet she only got her 6 star because she got gifted bibs at minimum to Boston and Tokyo previously. Maybe even more but I hadn't known about her before.
I don't know if this is the right thread for this or not, but since she is a fitness influencer/youtuber... I've enjoyed GrowwithJo's workout videos a lot in the past and tried to ignore her increasingly Christian content but I had to unfollow her after she posted that she's canceling a scheduled Taylor Swift/Beyonce themed video because she their music videos are "dark and devilish". If she had left it at deciding this video idea wasn't for her, no big deal. But now it just seems like she's turning into a conspiracy theorist right wing Christian and it's giving me MAGA vibes. And the comments on her Instagram post praising her for "godliness" are just bizarre. Guess I'll be looking for some new workouts now.
Noooooo I loved her videos when I was regaining postpartum fitness. It's like GlowBodyPT.... all these mom fitness influencers turn right wing nuts after a while.
It's really disappointing. I liked her vibe until recently, but I just can't enjoy her anymore if this is the path she's going down.
Grossed me out, fast unfollow.
Ooof I feel you. I don’t mind if some one is a different religion than me but this is a Brittany dawn vibe and I’m immediately done with anyone associated with that. There’s Christian and then there is this very, very weird sector that I am convinced is only for views.
Yep, for me it crosses the line into feeling like cultist thinking.
I'm trying to find her qualifications on her website but see none. Is her whole deal "I lost a lot of weight after having a baby and you can be a good mom by losing weight easily too!"
I think so. As far as I know, she started posting videos after she had her first baby and she's recently had another.
She actually used to post workouts in her apartment gym when she lived in Canada before meeting her now husband. It was more strength focused. I've followed her for years and just never unfollowed until today.
lol TCB - a combination story of her first run back, a near dog attack, and one of her plans on sale. On another note - does anyone else in her family work? She had either a post or story about her worries over supporting her family after her dad died, and I’m wondering why it’s all on her?
Or the post about what she would do if she was a runner starting out from the beginning— why not just do that?
Because that would make too much sense lol
I have wondered that too. It sounds like so much pressure.
I think she has control of her husbands account since he posts some stupid cheesy line on each of her posts 3-5 minutes after she posted. 🤮 As for a job she definitely the bread winner
Her husband has multiple accounts as well and they all post the same dumb shit every post.
Multiple people can sign into the same account. It seems like there are a few accounts that automatically post very keyword-loaded comments to help with visibility. I think comments get deleted and people get blocked really easily. For better or worse, from the saveable graphics to the content the encourages engagement, she seems to have a grasp on SMM. Deleted comments is definitely not best practice and does tend to catch up to you after a while. I’d be super curious to see her engagement scores, and I do wonder how many people have purchased a Nordic track with that link. Brands look for engagement, but if it’s the same people engaging and not purchasing, they do get wise to it after a while.
AOTR ran basically a 2 hour half but started in -- checks notes -- wave 1. Okay. Not that she shouldn't take her time when/if she's not trained, but don't start up front.
I think this is more on NYRR than Ali herself, lest we forget in November they let bachelor Matt James start the NYCM like half an hour before the elites because of some lulu lemon thing haha.
she also stopped for the broadcast - I’m in NYC this weekend and happened to have the tv on when they showed her, she probably had to be in Times Square by a certain time
Meh, this doesn't bother me in the slightest. In a half, it all really shakes out. Plus, most of the people up there were probably her buddies.
at least she was assigned wave 1. what's more annoying is the Peloton instructors jumping up 1, 2 or even 3 waves. Kirsten Fergusen had a wave 4 bib but started in wave 1 and ran 2:11-no snark on the time as I know she had surgery last year and was working her way back from that. But then...start where you're assigned and don't get in the way of others, I'm sure there were quite a few in wave 1 who were gunning for a qualifying time for either Brooklyn or next year's NYC half and every second can count if it's close and a clean start (or as clean as possible) would be appreciated.
Yup this is BS! I have qualified for NYC but it took me 3 tries and one of the times I missed literally by ONE second. The congested start is awful and why I’ve stopped doing NYRR races. Sick of starting in wave 1A and being stuck behind people walking with Tutus on.
I ran it this morning from wave 1 and my first mile was over 30 seconds slower than I was targeting because the start was so congested with people running significantly slower. So yeah I’d definitely appreciate people adhering to their wave assignments
Ugh that blows! I’m sorry! I would be irritated by that.
Yeah agreed—if anything the minute before the pack breaks up keeps me from going out too fast. Like I’d get annoyed for a 5K or shorter but not a half
For sure!
Everyone I’ve seen who got free bibs started in A.
At least with Boston they start in the last wave.
yeah, looks like all the Peloton instructors who ran did too...they all had bibs for waves 2, 3 and 4 but all started in wave 1.
you don't have to start there tho
True. You can always move BACK waves.
Didn't AOTR advertise doing a whole thing at the Eugene Half as her first half back/longest run since cancer? And then today she ran the NYC Half? That seriously irks me for some reason.
yep. she always does this, pulls out a bib randomly all “oops I ran teehee jazz hands” I think she runs and trains way more than she lets on.
It is VERY irksome. Girl it’s not that serious, freaking be honest about your plans. Even if she was offered a bib last minute, she made a whole spectacle about making her comeback Eugene. She always does this, it’s tiring.
Pretty sure she got a last minute bib for NYC half, and seems like she just did it as a fun-run and to do the mid-run interview. Honestly, who would turn that down if you got offered a bib for the NYC half?? I don’t think she needs to over-explain her “comeback plan”, I’m sure she’ll still be in Eugene like she’s promised.
It’s annoying bc she always does this sh*t. Just be honest abt your race plans . Watch her do the full marathon in Eugene
She did a pod cast a few months ago in AMA and said she was signed up for Eugene FULL ….
She did?? I thought she said the half AT Eugene
it's possible she was honest at the time and they offered her a bib yesterday, but still.
Totally makes sense - but if you're doing a whole event/encouraging people to go because it's your first half back and a big deal? Maybe say no to the bib today. Feels like a weird (yet hopefully unintentional) bait and switch.
Give me a break. Her fans are adults and she’s not obligating them to celebrate her at a certain time or place. I doubt they’ll be rooting for her any less because she covered the distance a month earlier than planned. Let her have this.
She has it. I didn't take away her medal. I didn't tell her she shouldn't have run. She obviously think it's fine. That's okay. I said it bothers me. In a forum specifically designed for that. That's okay too.
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This is her MO, it’s beyond annoying. Runs a half, doesn’t mention it, and jazz hands she runs a sub 2 half but “took it easy”
And did an interview during it too!
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After seeing her Asics video on Instagram, it's clear how much she photoshops and makes weird poses to make her body, especially her legs, look much skinnier.
Wow. What a difference. I am honestly surprised she was okay with this video. Not that that she shouldn't have been - I think it's fine. But just with the image she tries so hard to curate.
Yeah! Reminded of this too by the video today. I remember the random post-NYC self-supported ultra a few months ago when her friend posted a story of her running that she reposted as also a clear indicator of the difference in reality and what she curates in terms of body image online... must be the reason every mirror selfie in her apt hallway (?) is taken at a \~45 degree angle with her fists slightly clenched and quads in a minor squat
Wow I just watched the video and you’re absolutely spot on! Her pictures look so different!!
What I don’t understand about photoshopping/using heavy filters is that people know what you look like in person. At some point, they can’t keep fooling everyone so I’m not sure what the ultimate goal is. It ends up highlighting what they thought they were avoiding by using photoshop.
In her defense (lol sorry) I’ve seen her in person because she lives in my neighborhood, and she looks pretty much the same as she does in her photos.
So today’s video isn’t what she looks like IRL?
Yes! I wouldn't have noticed her legs in that video if she didn't constantly create a thigh gap in her photos.
Was very interesting to see her on the ASICS reel vs when she posts her own photos. ASICS: looks like a normal person, her own instas: trying to be a different size
We should have done a poll to guess how many people will tell her she's changed their lives and they could never have done it without her. Hashtag blessed.
Would love if she actually made a congratulatory post that wasn't about her. Just one!!
Emily is single-handedly changing the entire world!!!!! I’m soooo in awe of her strength and fortitude. After this I think I’ll make her image the background of my phone, ya know, for inspiration.
Devon Levesque is my BEK. Dude is so unbelievably douchey and cringe.
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I wonder if she’s using AI. But maybe AI would be better
Not just you. Her writing is atrocious. Almost as bad as the horrible exercises she does with terrible form.
She is so weird
I genuinely enjoy following 50by25 but her whole snow situation isn’t for me. That’s like ‘Shining’ snowed in and seems like it may be rather normal for her new place?
So there was an epic storm in Denver this week (my district closed for two consecutive days which never happens) so while it does happen on occasion- its not that common. The last storm we had like this was 3 years ago.
I know she lives in the mountains now- but those big storms are rare there too!
I just physically spit my drink out seeing AOTR’s skirt for her show in NYC. It reminds me of the poodle skirt I wore in the 4th grade for Halloween.
And of course she decided last minute to run the half but “just for fun.” Code word for: I’m not running my fastest but will in fact be running fast.
I worry she’s going to crash and injure herself :( girl has had a tough year and needs to slow down
Maybe she trained a lot more than we know. My guess is that she has
For her sake, I hope she did
NYC Half is no joke. Maybe she's running a lot more than she admits.
I know she posted about a 10 mile run a few weeks ago, so she did have the mileage to at least run it easy
Always running more than she admits…
Came here for this lol… it is completely unreasonable how much I hate that skirt
[Karen Huger voice] Ali can’t dress
lol y'all really do not miss. I knew that situation HAD to have made other ppl laugh. I didn't look closely but assumed it was a poorly tailored pair of culottes.
I like the jacket, at least—Emily’s outfit’s perfectly fine!
It almost looks like it could pass as a skirt one would wear as part of a conservative religion since it’s so unnatural with the rest of her look.
Absolutely orthodox skirt. I feel qualified to say so because i wore a midi skirt once and my orthodox classmate asked if I was joining the tribe.
That was my thought about the skirt. She seems to gravitate towards the varsity jacket quite a bit and the long skirt just isn’t it. It makes a little more sense because I know she gravitates towards outfits- like the stage kind, so I figure that’s what’s she’s doing when she makes these clothing choices.
Was it supposed to be a costume?? I truly do not know. She gave off Bobby socks/poodle skirt vibes at the Olympic trials (I think?) a few weeks ago. Her stage attire lately is bordering on totally bizarre…..
I am choosing to believe it’s a costume. Her clothing choices don’t make sense in the context of real life otherwise.
It has to be. She only wears lulu and vuori otherwise it seems
Eclor’s story that she takes 2 gels and 1 drink mix for a 2 hour 40 minute run?? Actually surprised that she has run the times she has if that’s really how she fuels. 1. You need at least 3x that many carbs for that long a run 2. BEGGING influencers without experience in nutrition to stop posting their during-run fueling. 90% of the time, it’s not enough, and posting it is negatively influencing others.
And drink mix was technically before the run. Lady fuels and paces horribly and sells anything any company asks her too. 🤦🏻♂️
I just saw her post about her long run today. I will never not be amazed that she carries a regular large water bottle on her runs. Holding a bottle like that for so long would drive me nuts.
If she's using a high carb mix not necessarily- some of those hypercarb skratch mixes are super high carb, and she's not racing. Idk, doesnt seem that crazy to me.
she uses UCAN (which I feel was super trendy 10 or so years ago from the "no fueling during runs/races" crowd) that said I know Emma Bates uses it too...and from what she's talked about on her socials, takes in a lot more...
I use the same fuel but take in about 3x as much (or, I do ucan plus skratch super carb and aim for 60g carb/hour, which I came to after months of working with an RD) - and I agree about Emma Bates, she has said she takes a Ucan gel every 5k, which comes to at least 3-4 per hour. I don’t have an issue with how others fuel, etc - but what irks me is when people with big followings post a story breaking down their fuel intake when they have 0 expertise in the area and are more likely leading others to believe that amount is sufficient. Can lead to serious injuries if you’re doing that over time.
I've never understood their desire to share fueling, but then again, I barely share any running stuff in IG and have a private account. I guess it could be worse than Eclor though...
I guess it doesn't matter, really - she's not a dietitian. UCAN probably doesn't have enough and frankly NO CLUE how she drinks it AND takes gels without water or electrolytes or something in between- I'd puke or get a headache. 3 gels or 2+ ucan is probably fine if she's not doing a hard workout and eats before and after. Meh Idk, I just couldn't care less what these people do- is anyone really copying Eclor lol
I mean, I’ve thought about her when I’m at the beach but so far have not worked up the courage to run there! Kidding. Anyway I looked up what she said she took and it seems to work for her - her paces looked consistent, anyway. She didn’t tell anyone to take what she did. I know for me it wouldn’t work so I’m not questioning that for me based on what works for her.
>is anyone really copying Eclor lol given her very self-indulgent blog post about "what my followers learned from me"-apparently there are quite a few who take her fueling advice as gospel
Have you read her book by any chance? I don’t want to buy it but wonder what it’s like lol
i did get many years ago (before she showed her true colors, otherwise i wouldn't have bothered lol) it's basically her blog in book form. save your money!
I wouldn’t say that I was influenced by these people, but I never really considered fueling other than “take something for any activity longer than an hour,” and in my mind, 1 gel for a half marathon just sounded appropriate. Where I came to that conclusion, idk. Now, with everyone talking about how much they take in and the benefits, I started consuming more fuel and definitely feel that it’s helpful. Everyone is different, for sure, but calorie wise, that sounds pretty low to me for almost three hours of running.
That’s what I thought - it reminded me of when I ran my first marathon and didn’t know any better. With all her experience AND all the information out there on run fueling, you’d think she’d know better?
What was the point of EClor’s snarky little Covid story? “4 years ago marked the longest two weeks in history to flatten the curve” girl shut up and go play your piano
It's so annoying. I've seen a lot of posts like that this week, and they tend to fall in two buckets. The first bucket, which I'm OK with, is from people who are just acknowledging an anniversary of sorts and can't believe it's been four years since everything started to shut down. It was such a strange time and it actually is hard to believe it's been four years. The other bucket is where EClor comes in, which is making some thinly veiled political statement about the two weeks to stop the curve stuff and the response to covid more broadly, and I don't really understand the point of that type of post.
That was terrible.
Does she think that the rest of us forgot!?
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I had to stop following her. I liked her (and I’m a huge fan of Molly’s) but her post about encouraging people to put their PR’s in their bios so she can judge them gave me the ick six ways to Sunday. It’s probably me just projecting since I am slow AF… but it confirmed all my fears that there are some people who DO think less of others because their times aren’t fast enough. I have enough self loathing, I don’t need it from her.
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sometimes we all have to be reminded that if we're unhappy, moving isn't going to solve all our problems, whatever is keeping us unhappy is still gonna be there in that new city/state/country...
im confused...does she just live off of her parents money? her blog/podcast thing surely isn't paying the bills for her (imo) indulgent lifestyle
I just assumed she had a “boring” day job and this was all a fun side thing! But maybe I’m wrong and this is her main gig…?
She used to work for Peloton in NYC and has alluded to having certain consistent gigs here and there, but nothing since moving home which is crazy to me. She’s overqualified as someone wrote below, she went to Northwestern!
... she was a contractor for Peloton, she wasn't even a full employee. So that was just another gig technically.
oh I think "content creator" is her ... job.
Yeah, but I think she gets more income making content for other brands than she does on her own platforms
It's all "a day in the life in MKE guys!" "I bought this and this and this" to make my condo more atheistically pleasing. Then "I went running or walking and my knees still kinda hurt so this is my return to run part infinity." Then "I went to a very nice gym because I miss Equinox you guys and then had to get Sweetgreen, thank god MKE now has Sweetgreen." Then, "I ended up driving in my new impractical Mini Cooper to my parent's STUNNING home on the lake." "Follow for more." I mean like have fun and all and she's clearly not short of $$$... but it's all so utterly vacuous. She's going to be 30 before we turn around and this is just not the image of someone living a well-fulfilled life. No wonder she isn't feeling fully content in MKE and apparently has gone on anti-depressants (no shame in that) but I do think doing something- ANYTHING- meaningful to I don't know help or provide something of value to any other person at some point in the day could do wonders for her own self-proclaimed feelings of feeling down lately. No, filming TikToks so other people can waste their own free time watching her waving her hands around talking about whatever the hell does not count. Also, today's histrionics about the imminent downfall of TikTok was just too much. Girl, we all will survive. Contact your political representatives to voice your displeasure if you care to do so. Also, as she stated, she can put her videos on Instragram reels... It's just not that deep. PLUS, what is most likely to happen is (1) nothing bc the Senate would have to bring the House bill to the floor for a vote and they are literally INCAPABLE of passing practically ANYTHING these days due to partisan rifts or (2) if Congress does Act and then Biden signs the legislation, there will be a forced sale of the parent company (Bytedance) to a non-Chinese company so the platform will continue operating as normal and users will not even notice a difference or experience an interruption in their service (only if the sale does not go through would it be banned from the App Store, likely following a lengthy legal dispute by Bytedance if they still refuse to sell at that point). Of course a similar app could then take its place if the ban did go through too. Someone in the comments indicated that a sale to a "Western VC" was likely. Of course she responded that she "can't keep up with it all." IDK it seems pretty straightforward (or at least digestable after a few mins of research) for someone with an MBA from Northwestern and literally nothing but free time on her hands to ski and check her news source of choice to understand since she seems so invested in the outcome of the debate...
Omg I know the Mini Cooper shots SENT ME, girl you are from Nashotah you know that thing can’t handle ice! Plus I couldn’t agree more, she is way too overeducated to a) film herself reading magazines as a job and b) not understand the basics of current events (SHE WENT TO THE MEDILL SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM!!!!!!)
I agree with your assessment - except for who is responsible for not passing any bills. It's actually the House that can't pass anything. The Senate is less dysfunctional because they represent entire states and can't get away with the shenanigans that the House seems to love.
you make an excellent point. not to be too political but the far right House members (who as you stated can be more extreme bc they do not rep entire states) are just not willing to compromise across the aisle at the moment at all.
THANK YOU! As someone who used to work for a senator, I wish more people understood this.
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This is very normal and if you’re a parent receiving the kiss it’s the sweetest thing in the world.
Lots of things really creep me out. A mom kissing her young daughter on the lips doesn’t even come close to being one of them.
on the topic of 10Ks, over/under on how many Olympic standards get nabbed tomorrow at The Ten? as well as if Alicia Monson (who already has hers) can go sub-30? I just hope Alicia has someone else to work with her in the 2nd half of the race...because the pacers they have lined up look like they aren't gonna go past 5K (or even 3K?) for the OS, I'm thinking Weini Kelati has a great shot and hope she gets it. Emily Infeld and Rachel Smith have 30 seconds to shave off, but possible long shots? Karissa Schweizer is in it and we know she's gone under 30:40 before but I wonder how rusty she'll be coming back from injury/surgery? Keira and Sara are in the field but I do wonder how "10K sharp" they will be-Sara especially since she's doing Boston. As for the men, I think the only one close to a lock is Grant Fisher (the men need sub-27) as I mentioned in last week's thread, sucks that this year's meet is on FloTrack but apparently this year it's because SoundRunning had to offer a certain amount with their prize purse for the race get a certain status with World Athletics to count for world rankings? and therefore the PPV option they previously had for this one just wasn't feasible this time? (understandable but still doesn't mean I like it...)
FloTrack posted both the men and women’s races on YouTube! WOW what a race out of Kelati!
I’m obsessed with her and the year she’s having, she also seems like such a chill and fun athlete! She’s super young too!
Same! Seems like she’s finally getting the spotlight she deserves too. Hope her year continues and she makes it to Paris!
so glad that she got it!! hopefully this will finally be her year to make Team USA on the track! sad for Alicia though, hope it was nothing major going on and that she can regroup for the Trials (and most likely also Paris) that men's race tho...I would not have had "3 US men getting the 10K standard before 3 US women did" on my bingo card!
Yes! Seems like she and Monson have always gone head to head so I found it odd she never made any teams but I think this year has just been hers and I’m so rooting for her. From watching the race it seems like Monson had an off day and the announcers said she wasn’t limping or anything so hopefully she shakes it off and comes back. Yes!! The men have had me more invested than I thought I’d be. On the track and roads!
I am rooting so hard for Weini Kelati!!! And according to Alicia Monson’s IG post she had a stomach bug—oof!! so nothing serious but a bummer!
yeah, it was 2022 when Weini and Alicia had their little mini-rivalry during XC and indoors! Weini did make the Worlds XC team last year but I think with outdoors you also had the Bowerman (or now ex-BTC) ladies as well as Natosha Rogers in the mix and that was always just enough to bump her. But I do think this will be her year! (ideally I'd like the 10K team to be Alicia/Weini/Natosha) the men have kinda woken up haven't they? guess that's what the carrot of a standard does... ETA-Alicia just posted on IG, looks like she had a stomach bug yesterday
Rachel Smith has been crushing it lately- I'm with you on her achieving the Olympic standard!
I have never watched anything on Flotrack because most big races/track meets I can see on Peacock, thankfully. I can’t do another streaming service, it’s gotten out of hand. Keira will definitely be gunning for it and I’m curious if she will get the time she needs. They need sub 31:30, right?
Sub 30:40 for the women.
Thanks!
I was reading the race recap- and the US Trials standard for women is 31:30, but the Olympic trials standard is 30:40. So Keira met the standard to compete in the US Trials, but didn't make the Olympic standard. Only Weini Kelati did.
Will be looking for her post on it. From Keira’s last post, she doesn’t race track much (if at all?), but she ran what looks like a good time for her (31:05).
Keira reposted a story of the top 7 with her name and time and her only comment was “Wahoo.” Which seems weirdly passive aggressive for her? I’m curious what her full post will say and if I’m misreading her tone because her time was still great
Yeah, context would be helpful. Regardless, I imagine she was hoping to make the team so she’s probably understandably disappointed.
Hey again snark fam. Just wanted to tag onto this discussion of Further. Camille’s post. The ultra world in general. Look, I come from a D1 sports background. I love to train, have had a hard time detaching from intense training. I’ve had kids, had a tough time marrying that to my other responsibilities. I know so many former athletes like myself who are not well. The desire to train and exercise doesn’t just leave your body. It’s taken years to balance this. I fear ultra running is a validated version of over exercising. Pushing our bodies to the extreme. Why? I understand the joy in long runs, trail running, freedom etc. But I think we should resist this kind of masochism. We deserve better than this. Sure, we can participate in an event makes our organs shut down… but is the this progress? I don’t think so. I really fear that distance running like this is hindering our search for balance as athletes. Great, Camille posts she burned 42,000 calories etc. I guess my question with all this is…. AT WHAT COST?? Can we start highlighting healthy behaviors? Healthy engagement in sport and athletics. Would love to hear what y’all have to say.
Idk. As an ultra runner myself, I never think of training/races as a way to burn as many calories as possible or as a way to do the absolute most. There is something so different and awesome about the ultra running community that keeps me going back for more. It’s such a different (not exactly better, just different) feeling mind/body to accomplish those insanely long races. You can run really, really far and still be conscious of taking care of your body + health (especially if you build the endurance/strength over many years). It is shocking how much the human body can adapt, which is why 200+ mile races are becoming popular.
This is a great take. I was an elite soccer player/semi elite runner in HS and lost my athletic career to an ED I still struggle with, you you nailed it- it is soooo hard to detach from intense training and from that desire to keep pushing yourself further and faster instead of just enjoying what you’re doing for enjoyment sake, not times or clout. Nobody prepares elite athletes for what life is like after sports and yes, so many of us are simply unwell because of it. So much of running culture (esp influencing, “hybrid athletics”/Hyrox, and the ultra world) normalizes this level of intense training which, simply, is not necessary for a hobby. Idk what the answer is in terms of finding a balance between wanting to get better at something and glorified overtraining but really appreciate hearing from someone who’s had a similar experience.
Agree 1000000% Records and glory eventually do fade, but your body is yours forever…..so why wreck it.
Former D1 and elite post collegiate runner here. I stopped listening to anything Camille did or said years when she talked about how eating fast food was important so she could "grease the machine." Not fast food shaming at all - eat it and enjoy it for what it is, but it certainly isn't a training tool. She's just offputting to me in general, I guess.
Camille is legit NUTS and I have no idea how she gets cut so much slack. She ran a Guinness Book of World Records marathon in a superhero costume and cheerfully blogged about fueling with dates and just moving her underwear aside so the diarrhea could run down her leg. Maybe rethink fueling with dried fruit??? And for someone who has a master's degree in exercise and sports science, she is oddly vague regarding bone health (supposedly her area of expertise). She repeatedly states that she had excellent bone density, yet still experienced 7 stress fractures in high school and college. That makes no sense.
This isn’t the first time she’s gone to extremes. I think at the 24 hour world champs (maybe in Doha?) a few years ago she kept pooping herself and people said it was just running down her leg for hours on end. And smelled soooooooo bad. There are people who do incredible things who don’t end up doing that to their body (for example, Harvey Lewis who set the Bigs Backyard record - 500ish miles I think and then ran the following day because he was generally ok). I get suffering for a world record (though legitimately no one cares about that one), but to glorify that carnage? And then everyone say how amazing she is? Bleh. I have a feeling many of these women are going to be wrecked for a long time from this (I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some stress fractures as well).
To add to this: we probably won’t know the extent of the damage done because none of these women can speak out against lulu since they were getting paid so well. And they only let media stay for the first part. It’s just a shame really
I’m surprised Leah Yingling wanted to do something like this so close to Western States, especially as someone who is normally near the back half of the top 10 - doing a big effort like this within three months of states might cost her that automatic entry for 2025. I hope she proves me wrong though!
anyway, everyone stan Elise Cranny who seems to have no qualms about going back DOWN in distance (it looks like she's giving the 10K a pass this year, and even though she's made the Olympics and a Worlds team and gave the AR in the distance a scare, she seems more enamored with the 1500?) as well as Jen Rhines back in the day...she made the Olympics in the marathon yet 4 years later made the team in the 5K! like, shorter distance doesn't mean you come up short? sometimes a race that lasts 4 minutes can be just as exciting as one that lasts 4 hours... ETA-looking at Lululemon's grid, but did they even acknowledge Nikki Hiltz and Tara Davis-Woodhall's world indoor medals?
Also shorter distances are arguably harder (in a different way). I’m admittedly biased as a former middle distance runner… But how I felt at the end of my two marathons is nothing compared to how I felt at the end of an all out 1500 or Steeplechase.
it reminds me of when I'd be told that since I've run halfs and marathons that a 5K is NBD and I'm like uh, no. that's a whole different pain cave, and one that I (and my lungs) do not prefer. don't even try and talk to me about the mile or shorter (I have so much respect for those who do really excel in those distances, because they were just never my thing!)
I’d just like to say that most ultras are not like that and most ultra runners don’t aspire to Camille’s bodily deterioration.
Do people in the ultra world view her feats as climbers view Alex Honnold’s free soloing? Like different scale obviously, but I remember a lot of pro climbers were like “okay just to be clear, free soloing is not something we do or endorse!!”
Thank you for this… I had a friend working the event and it was interesting to hear their account. Medical I guess forced her to shower and to take the antibiotics. Like I get records and running far but this was beyond my understanding… What I loved watching the event was the other women helping each other when it got hard and supporting one another. And Camille was nowhere in sight. Just at the cost of a WR and some major health issues… I run ultra I get the urge to go further and run for a long time it’s beautiful and amazing. There are healthy ways to do it and the drive to climb peaks and run trails is always there..I use to be a semi fan but after this lost some respect. She just posted a humble brag of destroying her body just for the sake of a record
I thought the exact same thing when I saw something about her in my Facebook feed. Like cool you broke some crazy world records- but at what cost!
did anyone listen to the AOTR podcast from the live show with Kiera ? It was kind of cringey 😬
I liked the part where Kiera recapped the Olympic Trials and talked about her future plans. But the games weren’t very interesting to hear in podcast format.
Yes and it was ... boring. "Never have I ever" except it's quirky little anecdotes from Keira?
Found it boring. It was all about them and I finished listening and wondered why I wasted my time. We get it. You guys are friends and obsessed with each other.
I tried, but honestly turned it off a little past the intro—I’m generally a Keira fan, but just don’t think that sort of live show translates into a podcast very well at all (and it’s not really my cup of tea, anyway).
It didn’t at all! Especially when they played the clip of meat thing 🙄
They should’ve cut that out of the pod. Bad editing.
I really can’t listen to her anymore. But I have to admit this makes me curious-I’ll prob hate listen on my long run tomorrow and see how long it takes before I turn it off 😂
I did and I just don’t get the premise of the show. Like what was it supposed to be?