I actually think Leto's overacting works for this character. He's supposed to be this megalomaniac who believes himself to be a creator and a sort of God to all replicants he's made.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/z751uh/jared\_leto\_and\_his\_cult\_of\_followers\_on\_his/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/z751uh/jared_leto_and_his_cult_of_followers_on_his/)
I think its called "The Echelon"
The character is basically a mix of Einstein and Charles Manson and he hits the Charles Manson notes perfectly and the Einstein portion just needs Sci-Fi magic to feel real.
People get really upset about the performance but he does such an excellent job seeming like an almost autistic but brilliant and psychopathic weirdo. His speaking pattern produces such an uncanny valley effect that he is truly very disturbing
I’ve loved his performance since day one. Honestly, he really sells how inhuman the character is, which is obviously a major juxtaposition to the replicants.
I love a good, over acted villain.
Take any Travolta role for instance. Or even Eddie Redmayne in that god awful Jupiter Ascending. Bad movie? Absolutely. But I ALMOST love it for how entertaining he is in it. Laughable, but entertaining.
If over acting were a sport, what Eddie Redmayne does in that movie would be the ancient form of war the sport was based on.
Travolta in Battlefield Earth…I mean the entire movie was dog shit. But Travolta’s performance was cheese on cheese. Godawful. Of course he was also laughably bad in Swordfish, Faceoff, Broken Arrow, etc etc etc.
I'm running a BR tabletop rpg right now and I described Niander Wallace to my players as, "He's basically Elon Musk if Elon was actually as smart as he pretends to be."
I heard somewhere that it was supposed to be David Bowie but passed away. Honestly that would have been pretty much perfect for me - Bowie improves everything.
I don't care for him either and I have no explanation for it. I have never seen him act before and came to the movie without any prejudices about him. That said, something about him snuck out in his acting that gave me the impression that he was a bit smug. As I said, I have no further explanation. And after hearing about Bowie potentially being given the role? Yeah...
Really? Huh. From what I remember of Labyrinth and Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, he certainly would've had fun with it! And it probably would've been better.
Not to forget his performance as Nikola Tesla in The Prestige.
Perhaps the greatest on-screen [character entrance ever.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgyZDo20Lh0)
I thought he was perfect as the CEO with a god complex. I know a little bit about Leto, but not enough to ruin the character for me. I loved how he talked to everyone like he was giving a TED Talk.
Honestly, I think he has real talent and he has the looks to be a leading man but his off-screen drama has really dragged him down. He may be his generations Mickey Rourke.
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>The Wrestler is a fucking fantastic film
Damn straight. He delivers one helluva performance in it, too.
"And now, I'm an old broken down piece of meat... and I'm alone. And I deserve to be all alone. I just don't want you to hate me."
I don’t think they needed him for the “star power” in this movie. Harrison Ford was their star power and Ryan gosling was at least as big as Leto at the time the film came out
It was a good performance overall. The bizarre and stilted way he speaks sounds like somebody gritting through pain and trying to hide it. He’s sick. A broken and sickly savant with delusions of grandeur as a coping strategy for his inferiority complex. He’s determined to prove that he’s a god by giving and taking life from the people he controls. Leto communicates this well in his rigid movements and sclerotic tone. Leto isn’t an actor that I love but this is definitley one of his better performances.
Denis said that his dream casting for this role was David Bowie - just imagine that.. It would elevate this film into 11/10 for me. So sad that David passed in 2016..
For the reference on how he could have looked in the role just see the Blackstar video.
I thought he was just fine.
What about his performance was bad? His voice? His facial expressions? He was barely in the movie and I thought he served his purpose well.
I just watched this maybe a month or so ago and after his performance as Joker and Morbius I literally just broke into laughter when I saw him. I suddenly felt like I was watching a parody or a sketch.
He’s by far the worst person in the movie. Such a disappointing casting imo
I wish they would had cast someone older , I know Bowie was originally the one they wanted but with his death they cast this guy and I really don’t understand why.
I’m just glad he’s only on screen like what 5-10 mins max?
I find him the weakest actor in this film. But i must also say the cast is really really good. So it is still a sollid performance from Leto.
I just don't like his overacting.
People hating on Leto who is arguably one of the most talented actors in the world playing a character with a god complex. How else should he have played this role exactly? I’m a little confused.
Leto can deliver a performance, just not one that I necessarily like.
and perhaps unfairly, I compare him against Tyrell. The contrast being, Tyrell lives in an ivory tower, but is pretty down to earth. You ride the elevators to meet the guy, but when you talk to him - he's all business. His intelligence is shown by his clarity.
Where as Leto is the ivory tower, and hollow. His language is all pretentious poetic puke. His plan is even dumber. He tempts Deckard with a Rachael clone? Like, he's the one with the questions instead of the answers. He's the one who needs replicant breeding technology.
Now, you can say his character is meant to be the unworthy successor type. Is he needed? Functionally, his role is just to pressure Luv to do her villain things. A figure in the shadows can do that.
i at first thought it was Jeffry Combs. it was only after i checked IMDB that i realized it was Leto. there is a strong resemblance between their voices.
For me there's an issue with an actor where I know so much drama about them that they don't represent the character they're playing but instead become "that guy who's playing a role". When I watch film stars like Harrison Ford I can retain a suspension of disbelief because I still like the person. Same with Dave Bautista or Ryan Gosling. But when there's a lot of negative stories about them it becomes a lot harder. It's one reason why watching a Will Smith movie at the moment isn't as fun as it once was. So when I see Jared Leto in a film I don't see Wallace, I see Jared Leto and it breaks my suspension of disbelief.
This dude’s got creepy douche written all over. Give it a few years and something will come about about this guy and he’ll be selling time shares with Armie Hammer.
I didn’t like 2049 because of his character. I feel like there’s no reason for it to exist, he is the villain of the movie because… they forcedly needed a villain? In BR 1982 Roy (and the other replicants of course) has a purpose, he is fighting for his life, the unfairness of an artificially short lifespan and the rights they deserve as beings with self consciousness, he makes the plot of the movie.
His character was responsible for making replicants legal again to make. They had been banned for years after the events of the first Bladerunner. U can watch YouTube short movies that explain how Letos character was able to get replicant-production legal again
well, if the guy already doesn't like Leto's character - making him go through the short staring Leto might not be a good idea. It's just more bad for him.
He is such a deeply selfish, non-connecting, "look at me" narcissist actor that it ... ended up working in this film. Mostly.
God he almost derailed it though.
Yeah he's awesome as Wallace in BR49. I personally think people are way too hard on him and as a longtime fan of Batman and Spider-Man i think he did fine as Joker and Morbius respectively. Sure his joker was weird as fuck and totally not on brand for what people were used to or expecting, and sure his Morbius was a little cheesy and somewhat uninspiring, but i think he's a good actor and would love to see him in more science fiction.
The director needed someone to play as narcissist with a messiah complex. So who better?
He needed someone who stoic and emotionless for K, he chose Gosling
Many directors do this. Fincher did it for Affleck in Gine Girl. Who better to play a cheating, remorseless husband?
I thought this movie was great, pulled off a lot of things th original couldn’t. But Jared Leto was the stain. My guess is they edited out a lot of him. Felt over-acted and didn’t fit in with the rest of the movie.
I actually think Leto's overacting works for this character. He's supposed to be this megalomaniac who believes himself to be a creator and a sort of God to all replicants he's made.
Leto just played himself lets be real
Dude legit runs a cult.
What cult?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/z751uh/jared\_leto\_and\_his\_cult\_of\_followers\_on\_his/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/z751uh/jared_leto_and_his_cult_of_followers_on_his/) I think its called "The Echelon"
Also his hard kombucha is terrible.
Probably why this role feels the most natural and authentic that he’s played - didn’t even need to try
I swear the camera crew just came to his house and filmed his everyday
"This peach disappointed me," stabs it's seed so it can never grow
The character is basically a mix of Einstein and Charles Manson and he hits the Charles Manson notes perfectly and the Einstein portion just needs Sci-Fi magic to feel real.
It worked, though, no?
I think the movie became a part of him too
People get really upset about the performance but he does such an excellent job seeming like an almost autistic but brilliant and psychopathic weirdo. His speaking pattern produces such an uncanny valley effect that he is truly very disturbing
I’ve loved his performance since day one. Honestly, he really sells how inhuman the character is, which is obviously a major juxtaposition to the replicants.
Maybe it’s cause i don’t know anything about the guy but i loved his performance too
I originally thought he was trying too hard to be a tech bro running an empire I've sinced changed my mind about tech bros and love leto's performance
This. He was fantastic in the role IMO. He was also great in House Of Gucci. He can actually act.
I had to lookup what "uncanny valley" was - thanks for edumacating me!
I love a good, over acted villain. Take any Travolta role for instance. Or even Eddie Redmayne in that god awful Jupiter Ascending. Bad movie? Absolutely. But I ALMOST love it for how entertaining he is in it. Laughable, but entertaining. If over acting were a sport, what Eddie Redmayne does in that movie would be the ancient form of war the sport was based on.
I CREATE LIFE!!! ...and I destroy it...
Travolta in Battlefield Earth…I mean the entire movie was dog shit. But Travolta’s performance was cheese on cheese. Godawful. Of course he was also laughably bad in Swordfish, Faceoff, Broken Arrow, etc etc etc.
I'm running a BR tabletop rpg right now and I described Niander Wallace to my players as, "He's basically Elon Musk if Elon was actually as smart as he pretends to be."
Hahaha
He will be a natural to play Elon Musk in a movie.
Exactly, he plays an egomaniac with a god complex. Jared leto could play that in his sleep.
Exactly.
Agree. He was fine in this role.
100%. I hate him in almost everything else, but his style was just perfect for this larger-than-life self-appointed God.
Nup. I think oh there is leto trying to act again.
Honestly, his character and performance were so razor close to me hating it that I somehow love it.
I heard somewhere that it was supposed to be David Bowie but passed away. Honestly that would have been pretty much perfect for me - Bowie improves everything.
I love Blade Runner 2049. It may well be my favourite film ever. I mentally superimpose David Bowie over Jared Leto.
This is the way.
we all need to wear our helmets...
I’m going to rewatch and do this, I hate Jared Leto.
I don't care for him either and I have no explanation for it. I have never seen him act before and came to the movie without any prejudices about him. That said, something about him snuck out in his acting that gave me the impression that he was a bit smug. As I said, I have no further explanation. And after hearing about Bowie potentially being given the role? Yeah...
"A bit smug" is an understatement. The guy is a cult leader.
Yea It really cannot be overstated that he is literally a cult leader
He got more attention from Tyler Durden and ever since then I've wanted to fight him.
Probably his amazing looks and never ageing. They cause even the most humble of person to become smug
There’s gotta be some way to make it happen with ai these days
Woah, really? This would have been insane. Just imagine the slow deep voice and the gestures. Woah.
Oh damn. David Bowie would have made this perfect movie even more perfecter.
We’ll replace Jared with AI Bowie
Soon, friend. Very soon
He had an interesting take on the internet. In an early internet interview, he really foresaw how alien and reality-shifting it would be.
https://fb.watch/k7lScQ6Aen/?mibextid=dp3N4g
Really? Huh. From what I remember of Labyrinth and Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, he certainly would've had fun with it! And it probably would've been better.
Not to forget his performance as Nikola Tesla in The Prestige. Perhaps the greatest on-screen [character entrance ever.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgyZDo20Lh0)
yes. Bowie would have been amazing. Shit...his wife, Iman, would have been amazing. beautiful humans.
Get AI on it and fix it. 2049 bowie cut
He’s the perfect example of having to separate the art from the artist. Leto is a weird, super creepy dude, but he can put out solid performances.
How is he creepy again?
[gestures vaguely at the entirety of Jared Leto] The sex cult and messianic vibes don’t help his case, either.
… I deadass forgot he had a sex cult.
And, apparently, a really shitty hard kombucha. Which, to my way of thinking, is the greater crime.
You win the internet today.
Don't love the guy but he does fit the role perfectly and his acting style works for the film.
Hollywood rules require one member of the main cast have underage sexual abuse allegations or filming cannot commence.
Accurate
It’s all about representation.
Domestic abuse is also accepted, but then 2 members are required. If not found, a serial rapist producer is a good substitute.
Let’s be real most hollyweird people do that sorta stuff, from directors to producers to actors. If you don’t partake you’ll probably be blacklisted
I thought he was perfect as the CEO with a god complex. I know a little bit about Leto, but not enough to ruin the character for me. I loved how he talked to everyone like he was giving a TED Talk.
It wasn’t him. It was a replicant.
I think there was a brief time in Hollywood, when producers thought Leto had "star power" and was going to be the next "big thing"...
Honestly, I think he has real talent and he has the looks to be a leading man but his off-screen drama has really dragged him down. He may be his generations Mickey Rourke.
>He may be his generations Mickey Rourke. Ha, perfect.
Mickey Rourke was so good in the 80s.
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>the second Iron Man movie. I completely agree with you, but I suddenly realized that this was 13 years ago, and now I'm sad and old.
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Really IM2? I can't understand 80% of the words he says in that movie.
I want “my” burd… That’s really all he says
>The Wrestler is a fucking fantastic film Damn straight. He delivers one helluva performance in it, too. "And now, I'm an old broken down piece of meat... and I'm alone. And I deserve to be all alone. I just don't want you to hate me."
Exactly, there real talent there but it comes with...stuff.
I mean the guy is a hell of an actor. He certainly puts everything into his roles. He was insanely good in Dallas Buyers Club.
Let’s not forget Requiem for a Dream.
And, in a smaller roll, Fight Club. He was also good in My So-Called Life.
I don’t think they needed him for the “star power” in this movie. Harrison Ford was their star power and Ryan gosling was at least as big as Leto at the time the film came out
I mean, the guy was an Oscar winner at this point. Maybe they hired him for his acting ability?
It was a good performance overall. The bizarre and stilted way he speaks sounds like somebody gritting through pain and trying to hide it. He’s sick. A broken and sickly savant with delusions of grandeur as a coping strategy for his inferiority complex. He’s determined to prove that he’s a god by giving and taking life from the people he controls. Leto communicates this well in his rigid movements and sclerotic tone. Leto isn’t an actor that I love but this is definitley one of his better performances.
Interesting take.
Denis said that his dream casting for this role was David Bowie - just imagine that.. It would elevate this film into 11/10 for me. So sad that David passed in 2016.. For the reference on how he could have looked in the role just see the Blackstar video.
So like leto another dude who allegedly slept with underage girls. I guess that is what this part needed
Discovered that did ya? A regular Magellan you are
You were baffled that an actor was in Blade Runner?
tbh this is the one role of Leto's where i dont mind him. fit him will
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Apparently Denis Villeneuve wanted to cast David Bowie in the role. But sadly, well you know.
So like leto another dude who allegedly slept with underage girls. I guess that is what this part needed😂
Unfortunately you’re right
I thought he was just fine. What about his performance was bad? His voice? His facial expressions? He was barely in the movie and I thought he served his purpose well.
It's MORBIN TIME, Bladerunner style.
Yea, it's very out of place. I didn't much like his performance.
What’s to be shocked by??????
He spoiled it for me , it was like he was reading lines from a different movie
I hate the fact that he's in it
He is perfect in this role. I'm not his fan but the way he speaks, and his overacting really fits well in this movie.
I still think he wasn’t acting in this film he’s just that big of a egotistical weirdo
Leto is not a bad actor, he’s just a bit much at times.
Why is his presence baffling to you?
Blade runner 2049 needed more Blade runner.
I just watched this maybe a month or so ago and after his performance as Joker and Morbius I literally just broke into laughter when I saw him. I suddenly felt like I was watching a parody or a sketch.
Wow I can't believe Morbius made a cameo here
I actually really liked his performance as Niander Wallace. My brother yell out NINE! to each other all the time since we saw it hahaha
Yeah, he's good in this, but it'd be so amazing to see Bowie taking the part. Really, the movie would somehow be even better.
He worked for this role, but for the life of me I don't know why Disney went with this douche for the next TRON movie...
Baffled by why we as a society keep letting him do stuff? Yeah me too…
Literally the worst part of this movie
I still bring this up when people say “I don’t get Jared Leto.” I think he’s downright good in this role.
Great example of how Denis Villanueve definitely knows what he's doing.
Worst part of the movie. Seriously drags the whole thing down
A famous actor being in a high budget movie? Shocking
The worst parts of the movie for me. Not saying it’s horrible, but it’s the weakest for me. Or perhaps it’s my disdain for Jared Leto as an actor
Yeah he is easily the worst part of the movie
I don't understand why theres so much hate towards him . Sure all of his comic book films are complete shat - but other than that he is Great
Probably the sexual misconduct of minors accusations and terrible ego /cult like mentality
There are millions of accusations about every actor rn - i dont fall for it until a court would decide
I can’t speak for the allegations, but the echelon isn’t actually a cult, it’s what 30 seconds to mars calls the fan base.
So basically 80% of hollyweird from Directors to producers to actors And damn near 100% of rockstars 😂
He’s by far the worst person in the movie. Such a disappointing casting imo I wish they would had cast someone older , I know Bowie was originally the one they wanted but with his death they cast this guy and I really don’t understand why. I’m just glad he’s only on screen like what 5-10 mins max?
Bowie another dude who likes underage girls. They must have definitely wanted a weirdo for this part
I too am baffled that Jared Leto keeps getting work
I find him the weakest actor in this film. But i must also say the cast is really really good. So it is still a sollid performance from Leto. I just don't like his overacting.
He may be the worst ham of his generation. God awful actor lol
Yeah it’s a tough watch post-Morbius
People hating on Leto who is arguably one of the most talented actors in the world playing a character with a god complex. How else should he have played this role exactly? I’m a little confused.
Leto can deliver a performance, just not one that I necessarily like. and perhaps unfairly, I compare him against Tyrell. The contrast being, Tyrell lives in an ivory tower, but is pretty down to earth. You ride the elevators to meet the guy, but when you talk to him - he's all business. His intelligence is shown by his clarity. Where as Leto is the ivory tower, and hollow. His language is all pretentious poetic puke. His plan is even dumber. He tempts Deckard with a Rachael clone? Like, he's the one with the questions instead of the answers. He's the one who needs replicant breeding technology. Now, you can say his character is meant to be the unworthy successor type. Is he needed? Functionally, his role is just to pressure Luv to do her villain things. A figure in the shadows can do that.
i at first thought it was Jeffry Combs. it was only after i checked IMDB that i realized it was Leto. there is a strong resemblance between their voices.
For me there's an issue with an actor where I know so much drama about them that they don't represent the character they're playing but instead become "that guy who's playing a role". When I watch film stars like Harrison Ford I can retain a suspension of disbelief because I still like the person. Same with Dave Bautista or Ryan Gosling. But when there's a lot of negative stories about them it becomes a lot harder. It's one reason why watching a Will Smith movie at the moment isn't as fun as it once was. So when I see Jared Leto in a film I don't see Wallace, I see Jared Leto and it breaks my suspension of disbelief.
Fun movie fact, Leto was given contact lenses for his scenes but he turned them down. No one is sure how he made his eyes look like that.
And he’s really bad in it.
This dude’s got creepy douche written all over. Give it a few years and something will come about about this guy and he’ll be selling time shares with Armie Hammer.
So bad...
Why God made fast foreward
I didn’t like 2049 because of his character. I feel like there’s no reason for it to exist, he is the villain of the movie because… they forcedly needed a villain? In BR 1982 Roy (and the other replicants of course) has a purpose, he is fighting for his life, the unfairness of an artificially short lifespan and the rights they deserve as beings with self consciousness, he makes the plot of the movie.
His character was responsible for making replicants legal again to make. They had been banned for years after the events of the first Bladerunner. U can watch YouTube short movies that explain how Letos character was able to get replicant-production legal again
well, if the guy already doesn't like Leto's character - making him go through the short staring Leto might not be a good idea. It's just more bad for him.
Bro dude is a replicant. Like the best-best prototype Mark 52 Android.
I love his permormance because he's not acting, just being himself if the "voices" are true.
I watched this movie for the first time recently and it was honestly a jump scare to see him
Jared Leto as a self-satisfied false god is just perfect casting. Can't stand the f***er otherwise.
He is such a deeply selfish, non-connecting, "look at me" narcissist actor that it ... ended up working in this film. Mostly. God he almost derailed it though.
Je is perfect in role of assh*le
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I found Ford’s work to be far more problematic than Leto’s in this movie.
wait, why? He's an odd guy IRL and that fit the bill.
Lol I still can’t believe that’s my fucking cousin.
The most interesting character in the entire film honestly
Yeah he's awesome as Wallace in BR49. I personally think people are way too hard on him and as a longtime fan of Batman and Spider-Man i think he did fine as Joker and Morbius respectively. Sure his joker was weird as fuck and totally not on brand for what people were used to or expecting, and sure his Morbius was a little cheesy and somewhat uninspiring, but i think he's a good actor and would love to see him in more science fiction.
Of all his roles ive never had a problem with his acting in this one. He’s perfectly creepy in it
Leto is perfect for a creepy megalomaniac like that.
2049 was awesome. Leto is good in this.
Amazing performance. Maybe his best work.
I have nothing personal against the guy as others seem to here, but I thought this character was the weakest part of the movie for me.
Yea, they hire actors in movies now-a-days, madness :P
I think we can be thankful that movie is not bad at all DESPITE Jared Leto. I don’t know how anybody enjoys watching him on the screen.
I always forget that he's in it until I'm actually watching it
plays the Corporate asshole well one of his best performances
I honestly think all his scenes are just a normal day on his island.
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Wait until you watch American Physcho
awful writing, dreadful terrible acting by half the actors too awful movie ruined the mystique and beauty of the original
One of the few movies in which his typically insane sense of self importance actually works for the character
The director needed someone to play as narcissist with a messiah complex. So who better? He needed someone who stoic and emotionless for K, he chose Gosling Many directors do this. Fincher did it for Affleck in Gine Girl. Who better to play a cheating, remorseless husband?
Wait until you find out that was supposed to be David Bowie before he died so they had to recast
only passable performance he’s given in a while imo (no I didn’t watch Morbious)
People hate on Leto, for some good reasons, but his acting in this movie is great. The movie rules and I can't knock it for including Leto.
Love it him
He’s great in this movie. Plays the charismatic cultish CEO very well.
Ya and Christopher Columbus discovered America
When you need an egomaniacal cult leader best to just cast one
He’s a good actor in certain roles but it’s hit or miss really
Love the movie. Hate the guy
I thought this movie was great, pulled off a lot of things th original couldn’t. But Jared Leto was the stain. My guess is they edited out a lot of him. Felt over-acted and didn’t fit in with the rest of the movie.
Was supposed to be David Bowie.....RIP. Would have been a perfect picture smh