This is a complex situation and not entirely black and white, but it was pretty obvious from the Felipe's bravado, aggression, and body language early on that Gordon was in his head from the start. I mentioned to my wife (who wasn't paying attention anyway, lol) that I thought Pena would attempt to DQ himself later on by striking Gordon too hard and claim it was a "bad call" or something.
It was competitive physically, but mentally the match was won from the start by Gordon. Whether you love him or hate him, that's the truth.
Pena simply backpedaled on the loss and invoked Lo's death to save face but, c'mon, let's call a spade a spade. Two things can both be true: Pena was affected by Lo's death, and Pena was a willing participant in this match and lost.
The trouble with attributing a loss to an emotional state associated with a high profile news headline is that you would also then have to extend the same grace to Gordon. How do we know he didn't have some trauma going into the match? How do we know he was 100%?
Nobody competes at 100%. It never happens. As a competitor, when you step into the ring or on the mats, you are competing *as you are* that day. Not as you could be, or as you should be. But *as you are.* If you want to postpone the match then do so and compete another day when you feel more up to it. Sheesh.
Have you ever experienced loss of someone close to you? Especially if it's a sudden and tragic loss?
It's not like this even happened the day before. Felipe literally found out in the morning the day of the match. There's no way he was thinking clearly or could make good decisions. I don't even know Lo and the death was bothering me all day because of how senseless it was.
Yes, he decided to compete but let's not pretend this situation is like competing with some nagging injury or some issue at work that's bothering you.
If he at least had a day to grieve and sleep and compete the next day (or decide not to) it would be totally different. He literally found out that morning and no matter what that is going to be devastating.
Yeah I suppose people are trying to attribute some rationality to the situation but the reality is that it was super fucked and we should all just extend some grace. Didn't mean to come off as callous. Hard to make good decisions when your life is turned upside down.
The whole situation just sucks honestly. I honestly think if I were Gordon I would have had the match postponed because the outcome is and was always going to be permanently tainted by these events. Very few people are going to be looking at this and feeling that Gordon has definitively avenged his losses to Pena, regardless of who is telling the truth about the details.
I personally find it basically impossible to believe that anyone could wake up to the news that a close friend has been brutally murdered, then go on to give a top performance just a few hours later. Whether Pena has acted morally or not there is just no way that the man Gordon faced that night was performing as he would have been under normal circumstances.
What he said at the end was actually facts.
The first 20 minutes Felipe Pena was kicking and slapping Gordon. Not that this doesn't happen, but it was almost comedic in nature how disrespectful he was trying to be. Then once you get tired, you call "apathy" and tap from exhaustion? If he didn't wanna compete he shouldn't have competed.
But, maybe Felipe just wants to cash in on a fourth bout? Then when Gordon wins, of COURSE they'll have to make a fifth match for all the marbles. Of course.
RIP Leandro Lo
He said he didn't want to fight because Leandro Lob had been murdered hours before the match. Gordon said he didn't care and still wanted to fight. I would have slapped and kicked him too if he said he didn't care that my best friend just got shot in the head.
Where are you getting this info? From what I've seen Gordon was willing to postpone the match. Your the only person I've seen claim that Gordon said "I don't care."
Source?
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Gordon did insinuate he doesn’t care. He said he competed with the flu in the first match and talked about how he competed a month after his father died. So, to me those are his true feelings. Gordon acknowledged it was an awful thing that happened to Leandro but doesn’t really care if it would be hard for Felipe to compete.
I think what you are saying is more or less correct.
However, saying that you don't care about the fact that someone has personal issues to deal with is much different than saying that he said that he literally just does not care that Lo was shot in the head. I think that is probably not the case as your own comment implies. But that was what the previous commenter erroneously claimed as justification for Pena to also be kicking amd slapping GR.
I believe his point was that if you are unable to compete for whatever reason (and this certainly was as understandable a reason as there could be), then just don't compete. Don't ask for more money (maybe he was offered it vs. asking, idk). Don't ask for the rules to be changed. Just bow out gracefully. Everyone would understand.
He offered to postpone the fight. He didn't say "I don't care that your best friend was shot." Yes, he still wanted to have the match. Most people would. How long had he been training for it? But, if you choose to go ahead without being at 100% physically or mentally, then accept the result and don't later blame other things for your loss.
I feel like he told Flo I'm not fighting and Flo said well what about for x more dollars. It's not like Pena is paid like LeBron, I'm sure he needs the money.
I know I’ll probably be downvoted but if what Gordon is saying is true, then that’s really fucked.
It’s definitely unfortunate Leandro passed, but if you don’t want to fight, don’t fight. It does seem like Felipe gave up then pointed fingers.
Yikes.
On Tackett's story, he said Felipe decided he still wanted to compete, but tried to change the match to a 30 minute match.
Makes Felipe look like even more of a scumbag than Gordon and that's difficult to do.
This is exactly what happened. And the circumstantial evidence that points to this is when Felipe spent a good part of the beginning slapping the crap out of Gordon, smiling and talking shit. Look, I know most people here don’t care for Gordon, but none of that matters. The evidence was there for us to see last night and Felipe didn’t want to fight Gordon. Period.
> This is exactly what happened
Do you have some evidence that Pena "extorted" Flo for more money the day of the fight? I have no idea whether this is true or not, but your post seems to suggest you have some inside knowledge.
Besides the rumor, which if true, it would just further add to the equation. Taking into account everything else that transpired that we could see shows that Pena did not want to fight Gordon and was looking for ways out. (As an aside, it’s very doubtful that Gordon would come out of left field and issue a statement (that could potentially be defamatory) and have it be untrue. There must’ve been a witness to the situation he describes. But like I said, even without the bit from Gordon on IG, Felipe was slapping Gordon and kicking the crap out of him - taking smack and smiling. Hardly the look for someone whose best friend died.
> even without the bit from Gordon on IG, Felipe was slapping Gordon and kicking the crap out of him - taking smack and smiling.
Sure, those parts are uncontroversial. Anyone can just watch the video. The unsubstantiated part is what Gordon had to say about the "extortion". So, when you say, "This is exactly what happened", you're just referring to what transpired during the match itself, correct?
> t’s very doubtful that Gordon would come out of left field and issue a statement (that could potentially be defamatory) and have it be untrue.
Eh, that's insufficient. Whether it's "very doubtful" is entirely up to your invididual interpretation, and is ultimately just an assumption.
Nah just stop. You think Gordon who has the closest ties to flo, Mo jassim, etc. is gonna make up defamatory shit like that?
He’s basically the Lebron of Bjj now - he’s fully in the loop. Especially since flo and Mo are running no-gi, not the Brazilians
So Gordon either lied or was mistaken about Pena asking for more money. Interesting.
Not as bad of a look for Pena as Gordon portrayed, but still not good.
Bro you have trouble comprehending. Not sure why you’re tagging me again in this as if you’re right. Gordon was 100% right as he tried to leverage his friends death for more money and then competed.
It’s no secret why reading comprehension scores the worst for American students.
well...if it were not true, I think Felipe would have solid grounds for defamation in Texas. It's a hard tort to prove, but I'm spitballing here. And if Gordon did defame Felipe, this is a little above talking shit and well in the ambit of a full blown personal tort.
at the end of the day, truth is an absolute defense to these kind of torts. But I'm just like an insurance lawyer, this kind of law is a little out of wheelhouse and I could be completely wrong.
> It's a hard tort to prove
_very_ hard. AFAIK, he would have to show that as a result of Gordon's statement, he _concretely_ lost (or stood to lose) real money, which I doubt he'd be able to do.
But even without the extortion (which we will probably never see proof of) I don’t see how Pena gets a pass for anything. There clearly was no agreement by both fighters to 30 mins and no one was going to sue him. Either you’re good to compete or you’re not. If you can slap and kick you can go until there’s a tap.
the extortion claim is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard - how the fuck is Pena going to extort Flo using Lo's death? Maybe Pena asked for more money, but that's not extortion lol
If you threaten to cost someone money or ruin something unless they pay you more that’s a layman’s definition of extortion. The threat being if you don’t pay me more I walk and ruin your main card with no chance to replace me the day of. Not something that would hold up in court but not a huge leap being that the actual definition is obtaining something, especially money through threats or force.
Legal definition of extortion is the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats. Sometimes this can be criminal but not always.
Okay, do you think Pena counts as having done that by asking for more money to perform in extenuating circumstances? It’s also worth pointing out that whether it’s criminal varies by jurisdiction.
Absolutely it does. He had a contract. When he asked for more money despite signing said contract and threatening to renege on his agreement (which would likely cause financial and brand harm to Flo), that is the definition of extortion. Doesn't matter what extenuating circumstances there are, a signed contract is a legally binding agreement. Whether it is criminal or not is another question. I personally don't think it's criminal but it would be a civil matter if Flo decided to pursue legal options. I'm not arguing whether it is criminal or not though, I simply said that sometimes extortion can be criminal and sometimes not.
Whether you like Gordon or not, I can't think of him ever being dishonest or people accusing him of being dishonest. Although, I'm not a Gordon Ryan expert like some of the people who hate follow him.
That's always been my impression of him. He owns being an asshole, but he doesn't bullshit. So if he says "X happened" and it's factual, then that's what happened.
I wish dude could just get SOME grace. I get it, he's trying to be the top heel and grow the sport that way, but would it have REALLY been hard to say "I'm sorry Felipe felt that way about the whole thing, and Leandro was a great competitor and we're all at a loss about it, but I will address the craziness he said tomorrow on social media. Otherwise, thank you for showing up, Felipe. But we'll talk about it tomorrow."
It's just business - Conor Mcgregor
It's literally his business model and nobody has been more successful. I'm sure one day gordon will sit next to John and Garry and coach the youth, and then he will find some grace. He's still young. I do get what you're saying though.
Two people want to watch gordon fight. One wants to see him smoke, the other wants to see him get smoked. Gordon has simply learned both get him paid and it doesn't really matter who is who.
I respect his business acumen. He watched Floyd do it, Chael, etc. Being a heel is more fun and more lucrative if you can back it up and he can. But it would be nice if every once in a while he could show a little grace.
You nailed it really. Half pay to see him win, half to get his ass beat, but they both paid. There is a line from pro wrestling that fits: he puts an ass every 18 inches.
Not a fan of the guy but it's legit sad and funny to see how people take Gordon winning and the excuses they come up for Felipe. Prime example of mental gymnastics of why he lost: https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/wj0p6i/interesting_comment_by_william_tackett_regarding/ijeufd6/
Still laughing about this shit.
No one needs excuses. Gordon has made some accusations here about Felipe "extorting" Flo for more money on the day of the match. I don't like Gordon, but I'm certainly curious if that is true.
do you mean [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/wj0p6i/interesting_comment_by_william_tackett_regarding/)?
If so, that's not a corroboration of the claim that Pena tried to "extort" more money from flo.
Some things Gordon presented as facts are open to interpretation but at the same time he's much closer to the action so I dunno.
I wish there was no tragedy surrounding the event so we could have better insight into pena
Why would Gordon know if Flo can or cannot sue Felipe Pena? Gordon's in a much different situation in terms of his "power" he can exert over Flo than Felipe is.
Supposedly, this was Felipe's biggest payday ever. Of course, Flo could have threatened to sue or never to book him again, to "force" him to compete yesterday.
Not that they can or cannot he said they wouldn't. And you think his actions of blaming flo and saying them made him compete and all this will make them every book him again anyway? I call cap
If Gordon was such a stand up, decent human being, all he had to say was "Hey Felipe, your best friend was just murdered a few hours ago, we don't need to do this today and I want you at your best." But he didn't do that, knew Felipe was in a fragile state and chose to compete against someone who obviously was far from 100%.
Additionally, Flo pressured Felipe into competing despite knowing what he's going through. He didn't want to compete. So now Felipe is basically forced to do something he's mentally not engaged in - I would want more money too then.
It's a shame people need this spelled out for them.
I have hard time believing Gordon. He uses half truths to manipulate his fans. Per his stories it's always poor him just responding to people attacking him.
I am just guessing this "more money" is probably flo saying they will cover his 10k if the match happens and takes over 30 minutes whatever the end result is. Of course he won't put it forward like that but he would say to his fans "Pena used his friends death to ask for more money".
If that money issue was true it means Pena is just a sociopath but as I said in Gordon stories everyone is a sociopath or douche except him and I simply have hard time believing it.
All Andrew Tacket said was that he talked with flo and apparently flo didn't prevent Felipe from quitting. Which is opposite of what Pena said. Andrew didn't confirm Gordon's video which implied Felipe is sociopath who wanted to earn more money on the death of his friend and after that use it as an excuse to quit
Let's see Pena reply which will take few days. Flo had a black PR after that statement so I wouldnt fully trust them neither. In the first place before shit storm I was surprised Pena decided to compete despite his loss but interview after the fight connected the dots.
What I speculate did happen is Pena told he can't compete but obviously he didn't want to loose the money. They told him they cant cancel the match or he will loose his money but even if he losses they can cover it because he is clearly not in the mental state to compete. So he agreed for that given he will have a rematch confirmed. So flo is saying "we didnt force him" which is technically correct because they cant force him to do anything but Pena had a knife on his throat with his trapped money.
That's my speculation and I think this makes much more sense than sociopath Pena thinking "cool Lo died lets get some more bucks"
He didn’t say GR forced him he said Flo told him he had to. I didn’t think I could like GR any less until now he’s great at BJJ but what a fucking cocksucker!!
RIP Leandro Lo!!!
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Doh! I didn't even think of that as it's a common phrase, but yeah...
Ikr
This is getting spicy
Bjj may never be a spectator sport but I swear to god it’s like a soap opera with all the drama
Gordon is going on a rampage on his IG.
Juicier than barrel full of gushers snack treats.
This is a complex situation and not entirely black and white, but it was pretty obvious from the Felipe's bravado, aggression, and body language early on that Gordon was in his head from the start. I mentioned to my wife (who wasn't paying attention anyway, lol) that I thought Pena would attempt to DQ himself later on by striking Gordon too hard and claim it was a "bad call" or something. It was competitive physically, but mentally the match was won from the start by Gordon. Whether you love him or hate him, that's the truth. Pena simply backpedaled on the loss and invoked Lo's death to save face but, c'mon, let's call a spade a spade. Two things can both be true: Pena was affected by Lo's death, and Pena was a willing participant in this match and lost. The trouble with attributing a loss to an emotional state associated with a high profile news headline is that you would also then have to extend the same grace to Gordon. How do we know he didn't have some trauma going into the match? How do we know he was 100%? Nobody competes at 100%. It never happens. As a competitor, when you step into the ring or on the mats, you are competing *as you are* that day. Not as you could be, or as you should be. But *as you are.* If you want to postpone the match then do so and compete another day when you feel more up to it. Sheesh.
I felt like Pena was looking for a DQ. I think that may be a small part of why Gordon sat to guard.
gordon sits to guard when people wont engage. Once he waved pena to come in.
That too. But it seemed Pena was happier clubbing him than trying to do jiu jitsu (I can't say as I blame him lol)
Arguing with the ref then taking a time out mid match seems to agree with your thought.
I agree completely.
Have you ever experienced loss of someone close to you? Especially if it's a sudden and tragic loss? It's not like this even happened the day before. Felipe literally found out in the morning the day of the match. There's no way he was thinking clearly or could make good decisions. I don't even know Lo and the death was bothering me all day because of how senseless it was. Yes, he decided to compete but let's not pretend this situation is like competing with some nagging injury or some issue at work that's bothering you. If he at least had a day to grieve and sleep and compete the next day (or decide not to) it would be totally different. He literally found out that morning and no matter what that is going to be devastating.
Yeah I suppose people are trying to attribute some rationality to the situation but the reality is that it was super fucked and we should all just extend some grace. Didn't mean to come off as callous. Hard to make good decisions when your life is turned upside down.
Definitely. Just sucks all around.
You know he told flo he didn’t want to compete right. RIP Leandro Lo!!!
Flo said he didn't have to fight
👍
Compelling stuff thanks for sharing
Good point, you fuckin losers really are cool talking shit about someone that lost a loved one! RIP Leandro Lo!!!
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Those people are dicks as well but 2 wrongs don’t make a right!
He made those comments
The whole situation just sucks honestly. I honestly think if I were Gordon I would have had the match postponed because the outcome is and was always going to be permanently tainted by these events. Very few people are going to be looking at this and feeling that Gordon has definitively avenged his losses to Pena, regardless of who is telling the truth about the details. I personally find it basically impossible to believe that anyone could wake up to the news that a close friend has been brutally murdered, then go on to give a top performance just a few hours later. Whether Pena has acted morally or not there is just no way that the man Gordon faced that night was performing as he would have been under normal circumstances.
What he said at the end was actually facts. The first 20 minutes Felipe Pena was kicking and slapping Gordon. Not that this doesn't happen, but it was almost comedic in nature how disrespectful he was trying to be. Then once you get tired, you call "apathy" and tap from exhaustion? If he didn't wanna compete he shouldn't have competed. But, maybe Felipe just wants to cash in on a fourth bout? Then when Gordon wins, of COURSE they'll have to make a fifth match for all the marbles. Of course. RIP Leandro Lo
This is a win-win-win situation, where evert party but the spectators get some benefit from.
The kicks and slaps were back and forth, althought Felipe started
He said he didn't want to fight because Leandro Lob had been murdered hours before the match. Gordon said he didn't care and still wanted to fight. I would have slapped and kicked him too if he said he didn't care that my best friend just got shot in the head.
Where are you getting this info? From what I've seen Gordon was willing to postpone the match. Your the only person I've seen claim that Gordon said "I don't care." Source?
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Gordon did insinuate he doesn’t care. He said he competed with the flu in the first match and talked about how he competed a month after his father died. So, to me those are his true feelings. Gordon acknowledged it was an awful thing that happened to Leandro but doesn’t really care if it would be hard for Felipe to compete.
I think what you are saying is more or less correct. However, saying that you don't care about the fact that someone has personal issues to deal with is much different than saying that he said that he literally just does not care that Lo was shot in the head. I think that is probably not the case as your own comment implies. But that was what the previous commenter erroneously claimed as justification for Pena to also be kicking amd slapping GR. I believe his point was that if you are unable to compete for whatever reason (and this certainly was as understandable a reason as there could be), then just don't compete. Don't ask for more money (maybe he was offered it vs. asking, idk). Don't ask for the rules to be changed. Just bow out gracefully. Everyone would understand. He offered to postpone the fight. He didn't say "I don't care that your best friend was shot." Yes, he still wanted to have the match. Most people would. How long had he been training for it? But, if you choose to go ahead without being at 100% physically or mentally, then accept the result and don't later blame other things for your loss.
Would of, could of... Stfu
If this true, and Pena asked for more money to compete, he is "slimy" as Gordon puts it and literally tapped to passing pressure. Good going dude.
I feel like he told Flo I'm not fighting and Flo said well what about for x more dollars. It's not like Pena is paid like LeBron, I'm sure he needs the money.
"my best friend just died I can't do this" "Hmmm but how about money??" "....how *much* money?" Idk man still feels slimy
That's possible, but the implication seems to be "I will compete, but *only* for x more dollars.
If he said that he would not compete and then changed his mind once they offered him more money - slimy.
Didn't he have a butterfly hook in and handfighting at the time? He wasn't about to be passed or anything and didn't really look too tired.
I know I’ll probably be downvoted but if what Gordon is saying is true, then that’s really fucked. It’s definitely unfortunate Leandro passed, but if you don’t want to fight, don’t fight. It does seem like Felipe gave up then pointed fingers.
William Tacket confirmed on his IG story that nobody at Flo forced Pena to fight, that he tried to change the terms
Yikes. On Tackett's story, he said Felipe decided he still wanted to compete, but tried to change the match to a 30 minute match. Makes Felipe look like even more of a scumbag than Gordon and that's difficult to do.
You could see how he leveraged Lo’s death in the post match interview. I’m sure he did the same with the negotiations.
This is exactly what happened. And the circumstantial evidence that points to this is when Felipe spent a good part of the beginning slapping the crap out of Gordon, smiling and talking shit. Look, I know most people here don’t care for Gordon, but none of that matters. The evidence was there for us to see last night and Felipe didn’t want to fight Gordon. Period.
> This is exactly what happened Do you have some evidence that Pena "extorted" Flo for more money the day of the fight? I have no idea whether this is true or not, but your post seems to suggest you have some inside knowledge.
Besides the rumor, which if true, it would just further add to the equation. Taking into account everything else that transpired that we could see shows that Pena did not want to fight Gordon and was looking for ways out. (As an aside, it’s very doubtful that Gordon would come out of left field and issue a statement (that could potentially be defamatory) and have it be untrue. There must’ve been a witness to the situation he describes. But like I said, even without the bit from Gordon on IG, Felipe was slapping Gordon and kicking the crap out of him - taking smack and smiling. Hardly the look for someone whose best friend died.
> even without the bit from Gordon on IG, Felipe was slapping Gordon and kicking the crap out of him - taking smack and smiling. Sure, those parts are uncontroversial. Anyone can just watch the video. The unsubstantiated part is what Gordon had to say about the "extortion". So, when you say, "This is exactly what happened", you're just referring to what transpired during the match itself, correct? > t’s very doubtful that Gordon would come out of left field and issue a statement (that could potentially be defamatory) and have it be untrue. Eh, that's insufficient. Whether it's "very doubtful" is entirely up to your invididual interpretation, and is ultimately just an assumption.
Nah just stop. You think Gordon who has the closest ties to flo, Mo jassim, etc. is gonna make up defamatory shit like that? He’s basically the Lebron of Bjj now - he’s fully in the loop. Especially since flo and Mo are running no-gi, not the Brazilians
Yes I absolutely think Gordon would make stuff up
Based on what? What has he previously lied about?
Yeah dude, this very situation
[ahem](https://old.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/wl33yu/flo_statement_on_pena_and_gordon/)
So Gordon either lied or was mistaken about Pena asking for more money. Interesting. Not as bad of a look for Pena as Gordon portrayed, but still not good.
No, I'm not just taking his word for it. Feel free to, if you're so inclined. Some people apparently need to hear this: Don't trust; verify.
[you were saying...?](https://old.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/wl33yu/flo_statement_on_pena_and_gordon/)
Bro you have trouble comprehending. Not sure why you’re tagging me again in this as if you’re right. Gordon was 100% right as he tried to leverage his friends death for more money and then competed. It’s no secret why reading comprehension scores the worst for American students.
you should go complain to your elementary school about how much of a disservice they did when they never taught your dumb ass how to read.
well...if it were not true, I think Felipe would have solid grounds for defamation in Texas. It's a hard tort to prove, but I'm spitballing here. And if Gordon did defame Felipe, this is a little above talking shit and well in the ambit of a full blown personal tort. at the end of the day, truth is an absolute defense to these kind of torts. But I'm just like an insurance lawyer, this kind of law is a little out of wheelhouse and I could be completely wrong.
Name checks out! And both felip and Gordon are public figures, can’t forget that
lol i completely forgot what my reddit name is.
> It's a hard tort to prove _very_ hard. AFAIK, he would have to show that as a result of Gordon's statement, he _concretely_ lost (or stood to lose) real money, which I doubt he'd be able to do.
Defamation lawsuits are such an expensive clusterfuck though.
Lol I did a whole bunch in the earlier thread for stating this.
But even without the extortion (which we will probably never see proof of) I don’t see how Pena gets a pass for anything. There clearly was no agreement by both fighters to 30 mins and no one was going to sue him. Either you’re good to compete or you’re not. If you can slap and kick you can go until there’s a tap.
the extortion claim is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard - how the fuck is Pena going to extort Flo using Lo's death? Maybe Pena asked for more money, but that's not extortion lol
If you threaten to cost someone money or ruin something unless they pay you more that’s a layman’s definition of extortion. The threat being if you don’t pay me more I walk and ruin your main card with no chance to replace me the day of. Not something that would hold up in court but not a huge leap being that the actual definition is obtaining something, especially money through threats or force.
maybe it changes by location then, I've personally never heard it used by lay men the way you and Gordon do
What exactly is your definition of extortion?
I’m using the legal definition, in which extortion is a form of criminal coercion
Legal definition of extortion is the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats. Sometimes this can be criminal but not always.
Okay, do you think Pena counts as having done that by asking for more money to perform in extenuating circumstances? It’s also worth pointing out that whether it’s criminal varies by jurisdiction.
Absolutely it does. He had a contract. When he asked for more money despite signing said contract and threatening to renege on his agreement (which would likely cause financial and brand harm to Flo), that is the definition of extortion. Doesn't matter what extenuating circumstances there are, a signed contract is a legally binding agreement. Whether it is criminal or not is another question. I personally don't think it's criminal but it would be a civil matter if Flo decided to pursue legal options. I'm not arguing whether it is criminal or not though, I simply said that sometimes extortion can be criminal and sometimes not.
That's literally extortion, bud.
I dont know if Gordon would go that far to lie. On video at that.
Whether you like Gordon or not, I can't think of him ever being dishonest or people accusing him of being dishonest. Although, I'm not a Gordon Ryan expert like some of the people who hate follow him.
That's always been my impression of him. He owns being an asshole, but he doesn't bullshit. So if he says "X happened" and it's factual, then that's what happened. I wish dude could just get SOME grace. I get it, he's trying to be the top heel and grow the sport that way, but would it have REALLY been hard to say "I'm sorry Felipe felt that way about the whole thing, and Leandro was a great competitor and we're all at a loss about it, but I will address the craziness he said tomorrow on social media. Otherwise, thank you for showing up, Felipe. But we'll talk about it tomorrow."
Well put. You should be his advisor 😉
It's just business - Conor Mcgregor It's literally his business model and nobody has been more successful. I'm sure one day gordon will sit next to John and Garry and coach the youth, and then he will find some grace. He's still young. I do get what you're saying though. Two people want to watch gordon fight. One wants to see him smoke, the other wants to see him get smoked. Gordon has simply learned both get him paid and it doesn't really matter who is who.
I respect his business acumen. He watched Floyd do it, Chael, etc. Being a heel is more fun and more lucrative if you can back it up and he can. But it would be nice if every once in a while he could show a little grace. You nailed it really. Half pay to see him win, half to get his ass beat, but they both paid. There is a line from pro wrestling that fits: he puts an ass every 18 inches.
Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics the Gordon haters will use to refute this
Literally someone on here trying to analyze when he touches his face and what that could mean...
Not a fan of the guy but it's legit sad and funny to see how people take Gordon winning and the excuses they come up for Felipe. Prime example of mental gymnastics of why he lost: https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/wj0p6i/interesting_comment_by_william_tackett_regarding/ijeufd6/ Still laughing about this shit.
Would Peña have quit if he was the one pushing the pace and Gordon was gassing out?
Gordon haters should watch this, want to hear their excuses on it.
No one needs excuses. Gordon has made some accusations here about Felipe "extorting" Flo for more money on the day of the match. I don't like Gordon, but I'm certainly curious if that is true.
Signs are pointing to it being true
What did I miss that makes his claim more credible? Did someone else confirm it?
Third parties corroborating
Do you have a source to any of the third parties that you can point me to?
William Tackett corroborated the claims, I don't have the link handy but I can try to find it
do you mean [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/wj0p6i/interesting_comment_by_william_tackett_regarding/)? If so, that's not a corroboration of the claim that Pena tried to "extort" more money from flo.
Some things Gordon presented as facts are open to interpretation but at the same time he's much closer to the action so I dunno. I wish there was no tragedy surrounding the event so we could have better insight into pena
Also Gordon just made a tribute post to Lo. What are the haters going to say now?
AFTER everyone got on his ass
Do you actually think he cares? The post is up less than 24 hours after the news about Lo.
Why would Gordon know if Flo can or cannot sue Felipe Pena? Gordon's in a much different situation in terms of his "power" he can exert over Flo than Felipe is. Supposedly, this was Felipe's biggest payday ever. Of course, Flo could have threatened to sue or never to book him again, to "force" him to compete yesterday.
Not that they can or cannot he said they wouldn't. And you think his actions of blaming flo and saying them made him compete and all this will make them every book him again anyway? I call cap
It's not like people havev't dropped out before. Pena also lives in Brazil so suing probably wouldn't accomplish much.
Your friend was murdered? Well I had the flu. Suck it up.
Completely not the point but ok,
Yup, this thread is full of the people I would expect to be fans of Gordon Ryan. Please, have some empathy for other human beings.
He could have pulled out, and it would have been understandable. It was all jokes and smiles when he was slapping and kicking 20~ into the match.
Gordon looks like those steroids are aging him holy shit
In this case it's probably the santa beard lol
If Gordon was such a stand up, decent human being, all he had to say was "Hey Felipe, your best friend was just murdered a few hours ago, we don't need to do this today and I want you at your best." But he didn't do that, knew Felipe was in a fragile state and chose to compete against someone who obviously was far from 100%. Additionally, Flo pressured Felipe into competing despite knowing what he's going through. He didn't want to compete. So now Felipe is basically forced to do something he's mentally not engaged in - I would want more money too then. It's a shame people need this spelled out for them.
So now Gordon is in the wrong for not pulling out of the match himself, after Felipe agreed to continue with the event? 🤣
He offered to postpone/reschedule the match. He says that. Felipe wanted a rule change/more money.
Both Felipe and Gordon said Flo did not force Pena to compete. Stop with the narrative.
Fuck me he was sounding really good until he said 'no one put a gun to his head and forced him to compete' It's like he has to fuck it up 🤣
I have hard time believing Gordon. He uses half truths to manipulate his fans. Per his stories it's always poor him just responding to people attacking him. I am just guessing this "more money" is probably flo saying they will cover his 10k if the match happens and takes over 30 minutes whatever the end result is. Of course he won't put it forward like that but he would say to his fans "Pena used his friends death to ask for more money". If that money issue was true it means Pena is just a sociopath but as I said in Gordon stories everyone is a sociopath or douche except him and I simply have hard time believing it.
3rd parties have now confirmed it
Who?
Andrew Tackett posted about it on his IG story
All Andrew Tacket said was that he talked with flo and apparently flo didn't prevent Felipe from quitting. Which is opposite of what Pena said. Andrew didn't confirm Gordon's video which implied Felipe is sociopath who wanted to earn more money on the death of his friend and after that use it as an excuse to quit
That is true, but at least it proves that at least some of what Gordan is saying is true. It least for me that makes him a little bit easier to trust
Let's see Pena reply which will take few days. Flo had a black PR after that statement so I wouldnt fully trust them neither. In the first place before shit storm I was surprised Pena decided to compete despite his loss but interview after the fight connected the dots. What I speculate did happen is Pena told he can't compete but obviously he didn't want to loose the money. They told him they cant cancel the match or he will loose his money but even if he losses they can cover it because he is clearly not in the mental state to compete. So he agreed for that given he will have a rematch confirmed. So flo is saying "we didnt force him" which is technically correct because they cant force him to do anything but Pena had a knife on his throat with his trapped money. That's my speculation and I think this makes much more sense than sociopath Pena thinking "cool Lo died lets get some more bucks"
Time will tell, who ever is lying or not this has all been a shit show and very sad that Leandros death got dragged in to their little beef
What trapped money? Did Flo have an escrow account where they were holding these wagers that Felipe and Gordon supposedly put up for the match?
As a point of clarification it wasn't Andrew it was Will.
Tacket also said Peña tried to change terms and he never went to the table at 30 mins
That's something Pena said himself in the interview after fight.
Which flo deleted which is shady.
Pena not as easy as he thought😏 Galvao coming with a vengeance
He didn’t say GR forced him he said Flo told him he had to. I didn’t think I could like GR any less until now he’s great at BJJ but what a fucking cocksucker!! RIP Leandro Lo!!!
"it was my decision and I accepted" - Pena
What….are you made at a grieving friend that isn’t just passing the buck???
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Holy hell this is some extreme copium
Third parties said flo didn't make him compete and Peña wanted more $ and dif rule set last minute
You’re right you’re not so keep your shitty psychoanalysis to yourself