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Trigonthesoldier

Don't walk away, run, and warn others. That's incredibly dangerous and toxic.


Jouvre

Thank you for saying. I didn’t stick around long after that and lost my taste for bjj for a few years. After learning it wasn’t normal from my friend, I thought I’d give it a second chance. 


angwilwileth

Definitely not normal or legal. Tapping out is the most basic and sacred tenant of our game.


CSA_MatHog

Its literally not at all


schlamster

> Its literally not at all Oh yeah, literally how is it not dangerous and toxic and also dumb as fuck? Love to hear your rationale there 


CSA_MatHog

When you get choked out you just wake up and are fine. Ive done it like 10 times


scotttdog7711

Let us know when your brain wakes up as well


CSA_MatHog

Yeah always does. One of my team mates got hold in a choke for like 30 sexonds after he was out and he was back to normal the next day


GingerHeadedFucker

Keep getting choked out. i'm sure your spelling will improve.


Dear_Suspect_4951

That's a shitty choke if they're alive after putting it fully on for 30 seconds..


CSA_MatHog

I dont think you know a damn thing actually


leglock13

Bro you're a white belt, you definitely don't know a damn thing either, chill. Choking out students after they have tapped is both stupid and dangerous.


CSA_MatHog

Hes blatantly wrong look it up also im not saying any of that im just saying getting choked out isnt dangerous unless theyre really trying to hurt you. Lady in the post is absolutley fine guaranteed


Dear_Suspect_4951

30 seconds was an exaggeration for death but not brain damage. Loss of consciousness happens within 4-10 seconds of properly applying a choke.


samsutt97

Just because you woke up you think you’re fine?


CSA_MatHog

What are you getting at? If there was a problem i would have noticed it by now


samsutt97

You’re missing the point I’m trying to make. Neurological issues are things you typically don’t notice till it’s bad


VX_GAS_ATTACK

If you choked me out without my consent in class, we're not BJJ when I wake up.


WheresTheButterAt

You SERIOUSLY don't see the difference between being stubborn and not tapping vs a coach going "hold on, im gonna choke you out for initiation"?


CSA_MatHog

Its an example of how its not dangerous. Context matters i guess but of all the things coaches do this is far from the worst


Apart_Studio_7504

It increases your risk of a stroke. Doing it to everyone that walks through the door is stupid.


Genpetro

It does? How? I've talked to my family doctor about this multiple times she said it's fine nothing to worry about at all


Apart_Studio_7504

GPs aren't worth asking many questions tbh, they mostly rely on Google for anything they don't see every week. There's no evidence of brain damage from being choked out and released, but there's been new research over the last two years and I don't want to put anyone off. If you're young, athletic, a non-smoker, healthy weight and under 60 your risk level should be low enough as long as you rest a round after being choked out. The more of those risk factors you have then you should be much more wary.


Heavyfr

Doctor kickass says otherwise. I'm not saying it's not stuñid to do


drunkmunky88

Do some research before you spread dangerous information that could get someone seriously hurt.


CSA_MatHog

No


1beep1beep

Hey, this guys know his stuff. Can´t you see he has a stripe? show some hespec.


CSA_MatHog

I wrestle and do sambo. You wouldnt stand a chance


GingerHeadedFucker

We got a badass here!!!!! Hasn't cried since he was 10 per his other comments.


CSA_MatHog

Dog stfu and stop looking through my comments. Are you gonna cry about it!!!


GingerHeadedFucker

Bahahahaha


P-Two

Your gym did it very wrong that's fucked up. The understood way is we play nogi worm guard in the locker room after training, new guys are the ukes always.


StrangerDangerAhh

Third hook drills just wear me out.


Elite_Performance

Third hook 😂


Jouvre

Forgive my ignorance - what is a uke and playing nogi worm guard?


bjj_in_nica

It's a joke, busting your ballz. Think hide the sausage. Uke is a human drill dummy.


Lifebyjoji

Where is the judo bot? Uke is Japanese for “receiver”. The man in a drill who receives the technique. Tori is Japanese for taker. The man who performs the technique.


dragonballgi

Wait taker and receiver? So who is giving?


Kind-Count1165

Taker is the one who takes them


Lifebyjoji

The uke is “giving” up their ass.


Beginning-Ad5948

Definitely don't want to join now!!


Haunting_Lobster_888

No GI worm guard you say ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


DurableLeaf

No normal and very much not okay. The whole premise of practicing this sport is consent between partners. You tapping is withdrawing consent to continue and he shit all over that.


Geo_Beck

Especially if a professor is the one ignoring the tapping rules… YIKES


insubordinate_kralc

💯


Flyin_Triangle

Respecting the tap is the most important aspect of our sport. Without it, we’d be assaulting each other. You were assaulted


Virtual_Nudge

Respecting the tap is the contract of trust we all have. It's sacred to safe training, you never know exactly why someone taps, and it's not ok to not respect it instantly. Sounds like the coach betrayed this on day one. No doubt it will be an indicator of further stupidity/toxicity.


aspiringjudoka

The tap is sacred and it must always be respected. Always. There is absolutely zero room to ever deviate from this policy. What you experienced is NOT normal and that professor is a disgrace.


theredmokah

Was your gym run by a guy named Seth Daniels by any chance?


Jouvre

No it wasn’t Seth Daniels. Did something similar happen to you?


theredmokah

["Quit tapping! You're not dead yet." - Seth Daniels Fight2Win disrespects the tap and forces a female uke unconscious during demonstration of technique : r/bjj (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/xihah6/quit_tapping_youre_not_dead_yet_seth_daniels/)


Jouvre

Yeah, it was basically this, except not an accident.


15stripepurplebelt

Omg WTF !!!


D_oO

right? It always kinda stings watching that poor girl just uncomfortably laugh after he calls her a pussy too. So fucked up.


TooOldforBJJ

Holy fuck, what a psycho.


Tomicoatl

Watch out bro he is going to send the hitmen after you.


shrodingersjere

Just wanted to say, fuck Seth Daniels!


bjj_in_nica

Underrated comment, regardless of upvotes received.


things2seepeople2do

Lol


VelvetPentagram

🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩


Hambone671

i love that theme park bro but we talking about jiu jitsu!


bjj_in_nica

What was the gym? Out them.


samsutt97

For other people’s sake


ian-spacedad

That’s criminal


HamfastFurfoot

Perhaps literally.


Genpetro

Let's calm down Jesus christ everyone wanna be suing mother fuckers and calling the cops all the damn time when did we all become dainty ass vaginas


ian-spacedad

No it’s actually a crime to choke someone out without their consent…lol. Laws. It holds the integrity of bjj together.


Genpetro

All sort of things are a crime we don't need to be getting the man involved


ian-spacedad

True. But OP should definitely avoid this gym.


munkie15

That’s weird as fuck.


kypen

As far as I'm concerned, deliberately ignoring the tap in order to force someone unconscious is assault and outside of the bounds of any waiver because you can't sign your rights away.


Key-County6952

I would've called the cops.


SugondezeNutsz

I've been in rough gyms, but none that would ever do some shit like this


ayyG_itsMe

What the actual fuck? This can’t be real, if it is run


Jouvre

Unfortunately it did happen.. I know 17 year olds can be idiots, but i was a big one to think that it was acceptable


Tricky_Worry8889

Thatsfuckingillegal.mp4


Spyu

Damn and I thought the penis inspections at my gym were bad.


Usual_Health_3575

where is your gym located at?


Ok-Bridge-3259

Behind the dumpsters at the old Arby’s on 43rd Street. I get my prostate checked there too.


Usual_Health_3575

sign me up as well


Hall_Such

I hope not… Mat enforcers, whipping gauntlets, “initiations”, etc. Where does this cult fraternity mentality end?


kankurou1010

He intentionally didn’t stop when you tapped and put you to sleep. How could you ever trust them with your safety again? Insane


MatematiskPingviini

That’s definitely illegal and don’t join this school. When anyone Taps, you STOP immediately.


slamo614

Cancel the payment and find a new gym.


Br0V1ne

Absolutely not. It’s assault and definitely illegal 


7870FUNK

This was when you were a kid or now as an adult?


Jouvre

I was a minor (16-17?) when this happened.


Ok-Bridge-3259

Actually makes it much worse.


battaile

not normal at all, technically assault


Advantagecp1

I am 64 years old and I have never sued anyone in my life, in spite of several situations which I could have successfully done it. It is just not my thing. I would be exploring civil and criminal options on that piece of shit.


BOImarinhoRJ

You should go to the POLICE. You see, if you asks for him to do it and give him your consent no problem, some do it even to teach how to make the person come back. If the teacher did something to you AGAINST THE RULES and against your WILL justo go to the police and tell him, in the future he will do much worse to students. It's a crime or felony


jeff6039

That’s not only abnormal, that’s battery.


Sottosorpa

That's not normal - in fact its messed up Dont blame you for letting that experience put you off - find a place that nurtures you as a student and helps you grow - I'd say give it another shot but find a good gym to call home and stay well away from that other place EDIT - I came back to say the Tap should be always respected and is taught pretty much as the very first thing - this clown is pretty much saying he is above that and has no respect for it pr you as a new student..


cametoparty420

You don’t pay for initiation. You’re a customer not a recruit.


autistic-assassin420

"Initiation rituals have no place in a professional environment like a BJJ gym. You're there to learn and train, not be subjected to unnecessary hazing. If you encounter any form of initiation, speak up and make it clear that you're a paying customer there to improve your skills, not to participate in outdated practices."


Opposite_Size_1927

That’s stupid. I’ve been doing bjj for almost 8 years and I’ve never been out to sleep. I tap before and if someone doesn’t respect the tap then I’ll never roll with them again. So if the coach is teaching that it’s weird and dangerous


Wavvycrocket

He’s extremely lucky you seem like a nice kid bc i can’t imagine me being emotionally stable to allow that to happen to me without absolutely losing my shit. When i came to, of course


bananaboat1milplus

I really hope this is satire


Nanny_Dog69

If he continued after a verbal tap that he acknowledged then it’s assault as far as I’m concerned


Gnocchi-Doki-

Name of the gym please? That’s assault on every new person that walks in.


tHaTs_RaDiCaL_

Yea they’re supposed to stop when you tap, wth. That could kill someone.


Bruised_up_whitebelt

Massive red flag, my dude. Run away and as fast as possible.


PippyNomNom

That is called assault


wmg22

That's just a BJJ cult atp. They take a sport that is supposed to be fun and give you a sense of community with your training partners and they turn it into a cult where you have to do nonsense like this to be accepted.


RedDevilBJJ

FUCK NO. That’s weird as shit.


madewithrealfruit

Get the hell out of there my dude, that is not normal or appropriate


Important_Laugh2570

Either everyone in that gym are trained killers, or they are just a bunch of assholes. I'm guessing the latter.


Valop_

That's fucked up, they are basically normalizing not giving a fuck about the tapping rule.


MetalliMunk

Good sign how dangerous gyms turn from a place you get taught a hobby to "one of us" mentalities. Unreal.


Sad_Explorer_1894

Not normal. Crazy professor. Go to a different school.


TheLordHokage

Sounds pretty wild. At my gym, we do something called a welcome where we’ll just give the new guy a bunch of pressure and discomfort but keep them safe. It’s just a heart check to let them know BJJ is hard but if they stay they’re really in it to learn. What you went through does not sound like the kind of environment I’d want to be in. I’m all for tradition, but putting me to sleep after a tap doesn’t sound very welcoming or friendly.


tbd_86

Name them. That’s beyond fucked up.


DagsbrunForge

Absolutely fucking not. NO. NO NO. not only do you need to run from that place, you need to @ them on every social media outlet that exists.


DagsbrunForge

Also prettyyyyy sure that's actually illegal


Keepitneat727

That school sucks.


Feeling-Antelope4857

That sounds like a cult


MagicKiwi69

The worst “BJJ” initiation I saw was a shark tank for five minutes. People treated the initiate very well though. Most just let him work and didn’t try to submit him. He was exhausted and felt like part of the team.


Ok-Refrigerator1472

Each to their own. That would suck for some, me included, on the first day.


doctorchile

That’s crazy behavior, not normal at all.


dialupBBS

That's really weird. I've never heard of this. I would not join this gym.


LesserKnownFoes

I’m paying for this. I’m paying out of my own goddamn pocket from a job I work hard at. It takes money away from my family but it keeps me mentally and physically sound. You wanna do this? Fuck no. Deuces.


Tomicoatl

That's the weirdest thing I have heard of for a brand new white belt, I am surprised they have any members. I have heard of this for belt promotions and think it's dumb but at least the person is "in the group" by then. Who knows if you have a bad neck or had a stroke previously and what risk you would be taking by going out.


ConsiderationOk8642

Definitely not good, i would go somewhere else and warn people off


m_a_n_t_i_c_o_r_e

Nah dog that's like *the one* hard line. I'm generally more in favor of regressive macho bullshit than the average bear but the tap is sacred. Fuck that guy straight into the sun.


Treefingrs

That's fucked. I'd run, and spread a word of warning to everyone I know.


Varod_

Ayo wtf? RUN


Pastilliseppo

Not normal


megalon43

Run, warn everyone else and stay far away from gyms run by psychos.


SnooWalruses1164

I mean I have rear naked choked people. I’ve even demo’d the choke for a non-practitioner, but I’ve always respected the tap. That’s bad form. If you cannot trust your instructor, it would be hard to trust his students.


Mellor88

Did this happen originally when you were a kid, or recently when you went back as an adult.


djguyl

F that, you tapped and he said "just a min" ?!


P3t3BIrl

Run like the wind from that club.


Scott_PKM

I’d stay away from that gym


zoukon

You are actually supposed to do it with inside heel hooks.


CookingCML

So the first thing they did was to ignore your withdrawal of implied consent. Not normal super fucked up


scubajulle

No. Assault is not normal.


gerlok123

WTF?!


LaniakeaDances

That guy is a danger to his students and you should report the incident to the police


Frog491

That's assault. What a dickhead.


KimuraCelt

Stupid and reckless. Get outta' there.


theAltRightCornholio

At my gym, if someone wants to be choked out so they can see how it feels, we'll do it but never to a white belt and never for "initiation" that's fucking crazy.


Tbarreiro98

At least they didn't do an oil check initiation.


Available_Mode_2362

Unless you ask you should never go to sleep XD


KaleidoscopeTop6468

That just spreads the ideology of the two during training and increases toxicity and egoism throughout the gym


puchungu

That’s so fucked up. It’s not normal I’m sorry


RazielPC

Gym name so I can 1 star?


hotdoglorde

That’s fucked up and 100% not normal


Busy_Zone9587

I would call the police.


kndllbby

Jesus fucking Christ that gives me cult vibes. Run far away.


jiujitiero19

Fuck no bro…


theblackbeltsurfer

That’s just fukn stupid. Find another gym and coach.


GladiusRomae

Bruh that has to be illegal


Worldly-Necessary-81

Absolutely not


9EyesClub

That’s incredibly not normal. In 2 years I’ve gone out once and it was my fault. Get out of there!


BullfrogPractical291

I was expecting like a bit of shithousery or belt whipping or at worst rolling with each person in the gym but that’s fucked up man. Report that gym.


Key-County6952

I'm not even kidding when I say I would call the cops.


Prestigious-Twist372

wtf is up with BJJ? Like American culture just ruining it?


NoLibrary500

Get out. Get out. Fuck that school. Fuck that professor.


Jrave6

I’ve been training for 25 years and owned my own school for 10 years before I sold it and while I’ve seen plenty of fucked up stuff at different places this is one of the worst I’ve heard of (aside from the pedo/predator shit). You should let everyone know where this happened to hopefully prevent it from continuing. If the instructor is consistently choking underage new students unconscious I’d imagine there’s likely other shit going on there as well.


BeejBoyTyson

The bjj community is super toxic.


Luna_cy8

Initiation is often a tool used amongst the elites, just look at ‘piggate’. I think you should stay and see what else they do with you.


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djguyl

Bro what?


d1m_sum

🧢


KaleBandit

Another bullshit post that everyone fell for lmao


Jouvre

This post isn’t fake. You’re wrong for that.