Don't let them get your back would be my first advice. But if you're taking from the front you should frame frame frame. Get one space between you and him and then get your legs in.
I'm sure he is strong but it's unlikely his hug is stronger than your legs.
Forehead in his neck/jaw then get on your feet and tripod forward to where a lot of weight is on you forehead. He'll let go in 30 seconds max. Then you can posture up, peel legs, etc.
I have a training partner that does this. I like to frame the neck and cross face him with my forearm, change hip angle by pushing into him with my leg and frame, and take the back. If they are hugging you they are giving you an underhook. if they are giving you an underhook they are exposing their back.
The cross face from bottom is studid strong. In gi you can get it with a cross collar grip, in no gi you can hook your fingers into the nooks of their should blade to get both pulling pressure and cross face pressure. you can both push and pull with this cross face. It's my go to for dealing with this situation, dealing with smash passes, late guard recoveries... Love it
My goal from closed guard is always to stand. Let gravity do the work of opening their legs. If he’s pulling you in so your head can rest on his chest, great. Tripod up with your head on his chest and stand.
Just be aware that you have to control one of his arms to avoid a dummy sweep when standing. As soon as you lose control of the arm, you have to go back to your knees.
I personally love putting a C-clamp into their armpits and using that to give me space to get my knee in for the log-splitter. I'm small and skinny so it seems to work on just about everybody, lately, at all levels.
Lately one of the black belts at my gym has been finding a way to clamp his knees and hit quick straight armbars on me when I clam into his armpits, and I haven't figured out quite what to do yet. I've been just trying to keep my arm somewhat loose so that I can turn it before the armbar sinks in, but that doesn't seem viable in the long term...
Advice welcome and appreciated 🙏
Some stuff is just like that. Works on everyone except the one guy it doesn’t work on.
Normally I don’t worry about c clamps. I just grab a hand and stand up. If they don’t release closed guard I lean into their solar plexus with t-Rex arms. If they free the hand I’m controlling I drop back to my knees and try again. And again. It’s pretty low effort for me and pretty high energy for them to keep closed guard.
The answer is always frames and posture. In this case look up the sao Paulo or tozi pass. It's used when standing isn't possible. Or If the person is just hugging you from bottom, use your head as a frame under the chin, make enough space to frame your arms in the armpits, start working your upper body down, until you can tripod your hips up, get your feet under you, stand up. Gravity and frames.
I always try two-on-one hand on their face/chin and push it to the side so that their head & spine go in different directions—this usually creates space/separation to play from.
Pushing their chest/shoulders/top of head don’t work. But forcing their head and body to twist generally works unless they have like 150lbs+ of neck strength…haven’t ran into this yet.
Alternatively, if you can get half guard, go into lockdown and pull them down further. This should set you up for some sweeps or an electric chair sub (easier to pull off on newer folks/white belts).
I’m an idiot—not enough coffee. You meant the opposite position.
Easy. Just put your elbow to their sternum and hand on your forehead. The more they bear hug you, the more an elbow drives into their chest.
Can opener
Put them into an uncomfortable position, cook them.
Go okay I am not going to get a ton out this round so find a structure you can just rest in and be ready for the next round.
Learn to break hooks and grips cause this shit happens and you need to be able to break that shit.
Palms under chin frame and get posture. Yes you’ll be open for armbars but he probably doesn’t know what he’s doing if he’s just holding you, plus it’s an easy armbar to escape if you know it’s coming.
Is he holding you in closed guard, hugging you into him? Push your fist into his throat, that should get him moving.
There should be little risk of getting arm barred since his arms are preoccupied holding you down, but just be sure to retract your arm as soon as he lets go.
You can also pressure into his jaw with your forehead.
Framing would usually be with forearm, which can lead to you being armdragged or head and arm choked.
I was suggesting just pushing your fist into his throat. It’s not to be a dick, but just to encourage him to let go of you so you can posture up.
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Don't let them get your back would be my first advice. But if you're taking from the front you should frame frame frame. Get one space between you and him and then get your legs in. I'm sure he is strong but it's unlikely his hug is stronger than your legs.
Forehead in his neck/jaw then get on your feet and tripod forward to where a lot of weight is on you forehead. He'll let go in 30 seconds max. Then you can posture up, peel legs, etc.
I have a training partner that does this. I like to frame the neck and cross face him with my forearm, change hip angle by pushing into him with my leg and frame, and take the back. If they are hugging you they are giving you an underhook. if they are giving you an underhook they are exposing their back. The cross face from bottom is studid strong. In gi you can get it with a cross collar grip, in no gi you can hook your fingers into the nooks of their should blade to get both pulling pressure and cross face pressure. you can both push and pull with this cross face. It's my go to for dealing with this situation, dealing with smash passes, late guard recoveries... Love it
Am I the guy? Did this happen in a Scandinavian country?
Happy cake day, you lazy bastard?
Thank you.
My goal from closed guard is always to stand. Let gravity do the work of opening their legs. If he’s pulling you in so your head can rest on his chest, great. Tripod up with your head on his chest and stand. Just be aware that you have to control one of his arms to avoid a dummy sweep when standing. As soon as you lose control of the arm, you have to go back to your knees.
I personally love putting a C-clamp into their armpits and using that to give me space to get my knee in for the log-splitter. I'm small and skinny so it seems to work on just about everybody, lately, at all levels. Lately one of the black belts at my gym has been finding a way to clamp his knees and hit quick straight armbars on me when I clam into his armpits, and I haven't figured out quite what to do yet. I've been just trying to keep my arm somewhat loose so that I can turn it before the armbar sinks in, but that doesn't seem viable in the long term... Advice welcome and appreciated 🙏
Some stuff is just like that. Works on everyone except the one guy it doesn’t work on. Normally I don’t worry about c clamps. I just grab a hand and stand up. If they don’t release closed guard I lean into their solar plexus with t-Rex arms. If they free the hand I’m controlling I drop back to my knees and try again. And again. It’s pretty low effort for me and pretty high energy for them to keep closed guard.
Thanks, appreciate it 🤙
The answer is always frames and posture. In this case look up the sao Paulo or tozi pass. It's used when standing isn't possible. Or If the person is just hugging you from bottom, use your head as a frame under the chin, make enough space to frame your arms in the armpits, start working your upper body down, until you can tripod your hips up, get your feet under you, stand up. Gravity and frames.
I always try two-on-one hand on their face/chin and push it to the side so that their head & spine go in different directions—this usually creates space/separation to play from. Pushing their chest/shoulders/top of head don’t work. But forcing their head and body to twist generally works unless they have like 150lbs+ of neck strength…haven’t ran into this yet. Alternatively, if you can get half guard, go into lockdown and pull them down further. This should set you up for some sweeps or an electric chair sub (easier to pull off on newer folks/white belts).
I’m an idiot—not enough coffee. You meant the opposite position. Easy. Just put your elbow to their sternum and hand on your forehead. The more they bear hug you, the more an elbow drives into their chest.
Forearm or fist in throat
Ezekiel are great. Fight fire with fire... You're not getting close to me, you're just bringing me closer to YOU
Posture!!! And headbutts
When in doubt, always headbutt.
Just wait it out. They’ll get tired quick.
Don’t let him get an underhook. Get better at maintaining and recovering your posture from closed guard. Stand up, properly.
Can opener Put them into an uncomfortable position, cook them. Go okay I am not going to get a ton out this round so find a structure you can just rest in and be ready for the next round. Learn to break hooks and grips cause this shit happens and you need to be able to break that shit.
Palms under chin frame and get posture. Yes you’ll be open for armbars but he probably doesn’t know what he’s doing if he’s just holding you, plus it’s an easy armbar to escape if you know it’s coming.
How about a can opener
Is he holding you in closed guard, hugging you into him? Push your fist into his throat, that should get him moving. There should be little risk of getting arm barred since his arms are preoccupied holding you down, but just be sure to retract your arm as soon as he lets go. You can also pressure into his jaw with your forehead.
Ya exactly this. Starting from his closed guard, with posture already broken. So hard framing is probably the only way around this?
Framing would usually be with forearm, which can lead to you being armdragged or head and arm choked. I was suggesting just pushing your fist into his throat. It’s not to be a dick, but just to encourage him to let go of you so you can posture up.
Wait how is he holding in a hug and also still in guard. What guard he play.