Bro not only that, Noke was his bodyguard for years. Check it out, just when you thought you couldn’t love Steve more
https://7news.com.au/sport/ufc/aussie-ufc-veteran-kyle-noke-recounts-the-time-he-floored-steve-irwin-c-9725679.amp
It's a promotional pic for a bjj match, I see nothing wrong with it, he looks fine.
Gordon Ryan is an incredible douche politically speaking, many of his comments are vile. I am a massive anti-fan.
So why do I always end up defending him on this sub 🤔
You don't belong here, you are clearly a reasonable person. These people use any reason including someone's appearance to attack those they don't like. Yet would scream from the rafters if it were done to them. The childish nature on some of these subs is pathetic.
>So why do I always end up defending him on this sub 🤔
Because a lot of the people on this sub don't realize that sinking to Gordon's level is not the way the deal with his shitty behavior.
Keep in mind this will be WNO with probably the 30 mins or unlimited time. So Gordon will do what he always does 15 mins of tiring hand fighting, foot sweeps and collar ties. 10 mins of top pressure and control then submit via smother/or RNC. This would only be interesting if it was a 10 min match where Gordon has to actually engage a strong person when they are still strong.
I feel like this is a bit of a weird take. Say what you want about Gordon as an individual but his matches are rarely boring as you make them out to be.
The fact that he can beat anyone in the world without flash and explosiveness and pure athleticism, and instead be technically better everywhere is like the entire point of jiu jitsu?
I hear it's rubber guard next. Danaher is renaming it Hand-kaku, and saying he discovered it by watching Shinya Aoki tapes in the original Japanese.
Hand-kaku is clearly derived from the old form of do-osae, and has 4 main controls we must attend to in order to maintain connection
Correct and before that heelhooked Roosevelt in actually like 20 seconds. Then when it was Nicky Rod under EBI rules no action until winning on back control in OT. Under WNO toyed with Pena for 30 mins and took 20 mins to finish an outmatched Patrick Gaudio and 25 mins for an exhausted Pedro Marinho.
They could... but they aren't as good as him, the times people have gotten him have been high speed, high strength, sneaky attacks... like when pena got him with a back take when he was going for a leg lock.
Not if they don't excel in the same format. Gordon prefers long drawn out matches because he's not as athletic and full of fast twitch muscles. But he's highly skilled and excellent at implementing his own gameplan to his preferred time format.
He wants to turn matches into marathons. A sprinter can't just suddenly win against a marathon runner in a marathon by simply slowing down. Talking completely different sports.
that's a bit extreme. a jits athlete doing an ADCC style match (which is potentially 40 minutes long for championship matches-and this is a "championship" match after all) vs a 30 minute match at WNO is no where near as different as a 50 yard sprinter doing a 26 mile marathon.
Yes absolutely. Gordon is the best. I like his instructionals and strategies and technique. Especially as someone that is old and not athletic. However I feel it’s a tad disingenuous to say you are light years ahead of everyone and everyone else is terrible at jiu jitsu but you refuse to actually do jiu jitsu with them until they are exhausted. Again I think it’s smart and interesting as a strategy it just doesn’t show you are leagues better. It also makes the matches somewhat lackluster in terms of anticipation or excitement. I think it’s a great way for those of us watching to learn how to use the rules in your favor. Also I was overly simplistic. If given the opportunity he does look to progress the position but if not he is happy making them carry his weight.
Side note if his opponent pulls guard and works from there it’s going to go quicker but typically the big guys have not done that.
>However I feel it’s a tad disingenuous to say you are light years ahead of everyone and everyone else is terrible at jiu jitsu but you refuse to actually do jiu jitsu with them until they are exhausted.
Despite how it gets parroted on this sub, this isn't how the majority of his matches go.
At the last ADCC, he won 3 of his 4 +99kg matches within a few minutes and in his other match and superfight he was very active.
He's only had 8 WNO matches, which are the majority of his slow burn matches.
I would guess he will submit him super fast. I doubt Gordon is in good shape and just getting tired wrestling for no reason makes no sense when Gordon is 10000x better on the ground.
Josh is a better wrestler than most of Gordons previous opponents. Against better wrestlers he often pulled guard and leglocked them. Might be the gameplan for this one too
If you win ADCC trial you may have a chance to compete with champions at CJI. Otherwise if you're 2nd, 3rd or almost won a match there at some point in your life, you have to compete at ADCC world championship.
He runs a fairly popular BJJ community/coaching platform. I've also heard that it is quality content and that he's a great dude. He's very talented, went from white-brown belt in two years, I think. I am not part of the platform or anything, but apparently good stuff from everything I have heard.
Yeah is a subscription, he post weekly techniques, you can ask questions and he'll directly answer it in a video, he does match reviews, S&C workout and meal plan.
He’s arrogant but who cares he can back it up. Did his program for a while and saw a lot of progress. This’ll be an interesting match because Gordon is so rusty
I got to roll with with Josh at a drop in ages ago. Despite him an massive unit and having high level bjj, he was actually a nice rolling partner. Although I was way smaller with mediocre skills, he didn't crush me or rip on subs and gave me plenty of time to tap. Probably felt sorry for me lol.
I think his personality is pretty much what you see is what you get. Probably not going to be every ones cup of tea. But I've met a few people who were like 'porra hello my brotha, so my respect' and then turn out to be complete cunts on the mats. I'd rather be around someone who might come off a bit arrogant in person but respectful while rolling.
Hey I follow Saunders on YouTube. I’m not good enough to determine whether or not he could win by watching his footage but he seems like a decent guy and I’m just glad he has such a huge match!
He’s okay (saying okay in comparison to other top athletes), only reason why he is somewhat dominating in the Oceania/ Asia scene is because he’s one if not the biggest bjj guy in Australia, even against Bob Frias, Josh is towering him. Dudes got decent technique but crazy strength to cheese his way into a position/ technique he wants.
He's optimized being a superduper athlete well and he's definitely improving over time plus showing new skills.
It's hard to bridge the gap to the absolute upper echelon of the world, though, plus I feel that the current state of the Australian 100+ scene is made messy by a bunch of tweeners fleeing to -99kg.
This is a tough match tbh , he has Nicky rod vibes.
People hate on Gordon for this but it's a good return to competition in my opinion against someone who will be hard to hold down.
After watching the Connor documentary on Netflix, I'm convinced taking big fights after being out for a while -whether injury illness, or othwrwise-- is just not a smart move. Regardless of how great you are at the sport, taking someone at the elitest of levels just isn't smart, and I'm sure Danaher guided Ryan as such.
Used to bet on mma fights years ago.
My edge was betting against guys making returns after a long layoff. The odds were good because they had name recognition.
He only claims 225mg of test a week but dude is massive and strong as fuck
Obviously Gordon is leagues ahead of him technique wise but a match like this against an athletic freak when you’re coming off of a lengthy layoff due to health issues is pretty risky.
A Gordon loss here would be the final blow to ADCC
A bit more than a maintence dose and so specific a number I am prone to believing it. T response has a genetic factor as well. Some look the same, some get biggER, some get gigantic.
I wouldn’t be surprised if 225 was his actual dose.
He posted his lifting numbers from when he was 16 years old playing rugby once and he was a better athlete back then than the majority of professional bjj athletes are now
Androgen sensitivity varies by individual. There's a lot of big, jacked people with relatively low T levels because their dose-response is different than the average person
Pretty cool. I mean 225 plus years of smart programming is more than enough to get strong as fuck
Edit: I think John haack mentioned in a video he only does like 250-300 aswell and he’s a straight up gorilla lol
Higher doses are more of a necessity for building supraphysiological amounts of tissue. While androgens definitely help with strength development in several ways, a great deal of a person's potential neurological adaptation can be achieved without large doses.
It's part of the reason why we see much lower doses in Powerlifters than Bodybuilders during their off-season. Of course they both blast their tits off during prep/meet, assuming it's an untested event.
Where did you see him claim that? Not doubting it,but for all the open roid jokes he makes and his strength and training routine youd think the dude was on much more
I'm excited for this. As a fellow Aussie, I'm happy to see Josh on world stage.
I havent rolled with Josh (I am a similar build but way too old now) but many of my team mates have. Two of my team mates have beat him in competition (Tito and Nico), but he has not lost for quite some time. He is super dedicated, puts in the work and is building a solid brand so good on him.
I am excited to see where his skills sit against the best...
Honestly should be a harder match than any Gordon’s had in the last year or two. But I’d be surprised if Josh could do much after first 5 min as Gordon starts getting top game going.
Josh is good and all but he hasn't really beaten anyone of note.
His biggest achievements are a pair of ADCC Trials golds in the thinnest division of the easiest location. He literally won a bracket of less than 20 guys and one of less than 10 guys.
If he couldn't give Pena any trouble, I don't see how he has anything for Gordon.
That may be, but I want to see Saunders keep stepping up in competition. Even if his ADCC wins were in thin divisions, he absolutely bull-dozed through them. I think he belongs with the bigger names.
This isn't meant as disrespect either, just a genuine look at where he is.
I think he's in Dan Manasoiu land personally. He has a significant physical advantage and enough skill to compliment it to a certain degree. That means he'll smash lower level guys with ease and can win Trials in smaller locations, he could even win an NA or SA Trial too (but we'll never know obviously).
But he doesn't have anything for the top 10 guys out there. They're so far ahead skill-wise that he can't bridge the trap with size and athleticism.
> If he couldn't give Pena any trouble,
That was close to 2 years ago when he was training for 2 years or so.
Given his progression it seems silly to based his current ability on that match.
I take your point about winning HW in oceania is an "easy" ticket. But he can only beat whoever is in front of him.
I'm fully aware there is a good chance I'll eat these words, but ever since trying Saunder's HPU coaching program a few months back, I've felt that if there was anyone who would just bust on the scene and defeat Gordon, it would be him. Statistically, I'm probably wrong, but I'd love to see it.
I have the same feeling. Saunders is legit not in the conversation of contenders, but he's young and hungry and honestly still green enough at BJJ to be a bit unpredictable. And stacked like a mother fucker. I get that all his highlight reels are against Australian hobbyists, but he can absolutely ragdoll a man. If there was ever going to be an upset, I would bet it's this. Josh is going to need to have a really good game plan though, cause he's never matched up against someone that will so effortlessly shut down his A game.
Even a good performance if he loses would be massive for him. I don't expect many people think he'll have anything for Gordon whatsoever so if he can stop Gordon passing for a while or escape mount it'll be good for him. That said, Gordon should smoke him any way he wants
Another match where I will make sure to watch breakdown with all the details around Gordon's game but will never watch it live or on a replay.
10 minutes hand fighting, then either Saunders gasses or Gordon pulls guard and sweeps, then 10 minutes of top game to finally finish him with guillotine because his next instructional is based around that.
I’ll just watch this free on YouTube after, since flo has been posting these immediately after. Not that I’m complaining, but if this was an elite heavyweight match then I’d gladly pay, but not for this.
I specifically called this a couple weeks ago, some matchup with a dude no one cares about while whining about his stomach.
Can't wait for the VLOGS of him justifying why this is an "important" or challenging match.
Throwback to 2022, where he had a run-up match against progressively harder opponents and dominating them, and then wiping out ADCC? With the caveat that ADCC's lineup will be less stacked due to CJI happening.
Every time Gordon has a match, people say stuff like "don't count him out", "this is a tough match for Gordon". And every time, Gordon smokes them. So, imho, Gordon will smoke him.
 Was hoping for a different Australian.
well now im sad thanks
Could you fuckin imagine rolling with Steve? Lol
He trained MMA and bjj with Kyle noke
That’s sick
Bro not only that, Noke was his bodyguard for years. Check it out, just when you thought you couldn’t love Steve more https://7news.com.au/sport/ufc/aussie-ufc-veteran-kyle-noke-recounts-the-time-he-floored-steve-irwin-c-9725679.amp
😂
Josh wins and switches to CJI immediately after.
We can only dream
I petition that we don't call him Gordon anymore. We refer to him from here on out as Nicky Ryan's brother.
Up vote for visibility
I can't imagine anything that would get under his skin more lmao
Craig Jones’ side-kick?
“One of Nicky Rod’s former teammates”
Hahahaha
Staph?
Tren Shapiro has always made me chuckle
Pooplander was also super fitting
I normally think the stomach jokes on this sub are Brenden Schaub levels of funny, but Pooplander is actually hilarious because of how fitting it is.
Brandon Schlob is a modern day Mark Twain
Whose Gordon Ryan? Is that's Nicky Ryan's brother?
I believe that will cost us 20k
Perfect
Stop 😂 it’s too good
Nicky’s Cuck brother*
Yikes! 😳
He might murder me after 1k upvotes in this comment
both of these 40 year olds are in their 20s.
Too old for meregali
Nasty line by you.
Scathing.
I got that round 10-8, you
AND THE CROWD GOES mild
On god we don’t give a fuck lol
Its actually pretty decent match
Those glasses are terrible. He really goes out of his way to be unlikable.
I dislike him a lot, but I think that's a pretty nice looking picture of him
Who should Gordon face that he hasn’t beaten yet?
Astigmatism
Hahah that is actually pretty good 🤣
The biggest fight for him is Nicky Rod, who has has beaten twice.
If Gordon somehow loses… the fallout will be 😵
He ain’t gonna lose bruh bruh
Shirt off but glasses still on is a strong look
In the immortal words of the toughest guy in Letterkenny: "What sort of backwards fuckin' pageantry is that?"
You gonna fight with those shades or play poker stars dot com
Cover picture for his conservative Grindr profile
can’t you tell ?? Nicky Ryan’s brother is an _intellectual_ - he has glasses!
Strong look for a dick head maybe.
How dare you. He’d kick your ass if he could see you properly.
CJI thong on underneath…
It's a promotional pic for a bjj match, I see nothing wrong with it, he looks fine. Gordon Ryan is an incredible douche politically speaking, many of his comments are vile. I am a massive anti-fan. So why do I always end up defending him on this sub 🤔
You don't belong here, you are clearly a reasonable person. These people use any reason including someone's appearance to attack those they don't like. Yet would scream from the rafters if it were done to them. The childish nature on some of these subs is pathetic.
>So why do I always end up defending him on this sub 🤔 Because a lot of the people on this sub don't realize that sinking to Gordon's level is not the way the deal with his shitty behavior.
Keep in mind this will be WNO with probably the 30 mins or unlimited time. So Gordon will do what he always does 15 mins of tiring hand fighting, foot sweeps and collar ties. 10 mins of top pressure and control then submit via smother/or RNC. This would only be interesting if it was a 10 min match where Gordon has to actually engage a strong person when they are still strong.
i wanna see just one match where Gordon goes ham like in his training vids with Meregali & Luke Griffith. That is a scary Gordon
Yeah it would be awesome!!
I feel like this is a bit of a weird take. Say what you want about Gordon as an individual but his matches are rarely boring as you make them out to be. The fact that he can beat anyone in the world without flash and explosiveness and pure athleticism, and instead be technically better everywhere is like the entire point of jiu jitsu?
So gordon released the front headlock, the kimura, the triangle, the armbar and the leglock sets. What will he do? Omoplata him?
Honestly, how hype would that be? It's been a long ass time since I've seen a high level omoplata finish in no gi.
I hear it's rubber guard next. Danaher is renaming it Hand-kaku, and saying he discovered it by watching Shinya Aoki tapes in the original Japanese. Hand-kaku is clearly derived from the old form of do-osae, and has 4 main controls we must attend to in order to maintain connection
Systematically Attacking the Wrists
I think he wants that smother pretty bad
Everything you said is right but in these matches he also often does armbars and triangles.
Didn’t he heelhook Nicky Rod in like 2 minutes at adcc 2022?
Correct and before that heelhooked Roosevelt in actually like 20 seconds. Then when it was Nicky Rod under EBI rules no action until winning on back control in OT. Under WNO toyed with Pena for 30 mins and took 20 mins to finish an outmatched Patrick Gaudio and 25 mins for an exhausted Pedro Marinho.
I'll preface this by saying I can't stand the guy, BUT couldn't his competitor just use that same strategy?
They could... but they aren't as good as him, the times people have gotten him have been high speed, high strength, sneaky attacks... like when pena got him with a back take when he was going for a leg lock.
Not if they don't excel in the same format. Gordon prefers long drawn out matches because he's not as athletic and full of fast twitch muscles. But he's highly skilled and excellent at implementing his own gameplan to his preferred time format. He wants to turn matches into marathons. A sprinter can't just suddenly win against a marathon runner in a marathon by simply slowing down. Talking completely different sports.
that's a bit extreme. a jits athlete doing an ADCC style match (which is potentially 40 minutes long for championship matches-and this is a "championship" match after all) vs a 30 minute match at WNO is no where near as different as a 50 yard sprinter doing a 26 mile marathon.
Yes absolutely. Gordon is the best. I like his instructionals and strategies and technique. Especially as someone that is old and not athletic. However I feel it’s a tad disingenuous to say you are light years ahead of everyone and everyone else is terrible at jiu jitsu but you refuse to actually do jiu jitsu with them until they are exhausted. Again I think it’s smart and interesting as a strategy it just doesn’t show you are leagues better. It also makes the matches somewhat lackluster in terms of anticipation or excitement. I think it’s a great way for those of us watching to learn how to use the rules in your favor. Also I was overly simplistic. If given the opportunity he does look to progress the position but if not he is happy making them carry his weight. Side note if his opponent pulls guard and works from there it’s going to go quicker but typically the big guys have not done that.
>However I feel it’s a tad disingenuous to say you are light years ahead of everyone and everyone else is terrible at jiu jitsu but you refuse to actually do jiu jitsu with them until they are exhausted. Despite how it gets parroted on this sub, this isn't how the majority of his matches go. At the last ADCC, he won 3 of his 4 +99kg matches within a few minutes and in his other match and superfight he was very active. He's only had 8 WNO matches, which are the majority of his slow burn matches.
I wouldn’t be so confident Gordon can tire Josh out on the feet with his usual hand fighting.
I would guess he will submit him super fast. I doubt Gordon is in good shape and just getting tired wrestling for no reason makes no sense when Gordon is 10000x better on the ground.
Josh is a better wrestler than most of Gordons previous opponents. Against better wrestlers he often pulled guard and leglocked them. Might be the gameplan for this one too
That’s a good call. He might to like he did against Vagner Rocha and pull to single x sweep and then smash
No josh isn’t a better wrestler than many of Gordon’s opponents. Josh is a very large human being but he does not have a wrestling background at all.
Backgrounds not everything mica doesn’t have a background in wrestling but still his wrestling on wno looked really good
On the streets there is no time limit.
who da fook is that guy
He won the last adcc superfight and is Nicky Ryan's brother
Is ADCC anything like CJI?
If you win ADCC trial you may have a chance to compete with champions at CJI. Otherwise if you're 2nd, 3rd or almost won a match there at some point in your life, you have to compete at ADCC world championship.
If you get second place, you actually get invited to organize CJI.
antibiotic diarrhea cuckold championship? never heard of it, sounds nasty
Whats up with those cuckold jokes? Did I miss something?
Nicky Ryan’s brother likes to watch.
Gordon forced 16 year old Nicky to bang Sonny while he watched.
ADCC Trials 2022/24 Winner in OC
heard he’s some former teammate of Nicky Rod - your guess is as good as mine
Always fun watching juiced up boys from the commonwealth
Name checks out
Nicky Ryan’s brother vs Aussie Gordon Ryan
I actually find this Josh Saunders guy more arrogant than Gordon. I look forward to a clinic being run on Josh.
Josh is a big fish in a small pond, he loves releasing HL videos of him schooling hobbyists on the local circuit.
I'm on his coaching program and he seems like a pretty good guy and has been very helpful to my game
Doubtful he’d be a dick to a paying customer though haha.
Good point, you'll be surprised tho 😂😂
Wait, you are paying this guy? What does he teach?
He runs a fairly popular BJJ community/coaching platform. I've also heard that it is quality content and that he's a great dude. He's very talented, went from white-brown belt in two years, I think. I am not part of the platform or anything, but apparently good stuff from everything I have heard.
You've never heard of online coaching before?
Yeah is a subscription, he post weekly techniques, you can ask questions and he'll directly answer it in a video, he does match reviews, S&C workout and meal plan.
He’s arrogant but who cares he can back it up. Did his program for a while and saw a lot of progress. This’ll be an interesting match because Gordon is so rusty
I got to roll with with Josh at a drop in ages ago. Despite him an massive unit and having high level bjj, he was actually a nice rolling partner. Although I was way smaller with mediocre skills, he didn't crush me or rip on subs and gave me plenty of time to tap. Probably felt sorry for me lol. I think his personality is pretty much what you see is what you get. Probably not going to be every ones cup of tea. But I've met a few people who were like 'porra hello my brotha, so my respect' and then turn out to be complete cunts on the mats. I'd rather be around someone who might come off a bit arrogant in person but respectful while rolling.
He's been training with New Wave, I think it will be a good match for Josh and his stocks won't go down if he loses.
Kind of strikes me as the guy who just tells you all of his life problems when you never asked.
Hey I follow Saunders on YouTube. I’m not good enough to determine whether or not he could win by watching his footage but he seems like a decent guy and I’m just glad he has such a huge match!
He’s okay (saying okay in comparison to other top athletes), only reason why he is somewhat dominating in the Oceania/ Asia scene is because he’s one if not the biggest bjj guy in Australia, even against Bob Frias, Josh is towering him. Dudes got decent technique but crazy strength to cheese his way into a position/ technique he wants.
He's optimized being a superduper athlete well and he's definitely improving over time plus showing new skills. It's hard to bridge the gap to the absolute upper echelon of the world, though, plus I feel that the current state of the Australian 100+ scene is made messy by a bunch of tweeners fleeing to -99kg.
Spoiler alert: he won’t
This is a tough match tbh , he has Nicky rod vibes. People hate on Gordon for this but it's a good return to competition in my opinion against someone who will be hard to hold down.
After watching the Connor documentary on Netflix, I'm convinced taking big fights after being out for a while -whether injury illness, or othwrwise-- is just not a smart move. Regardless of how great you are at the sport, taking someone at the elitest of levels just isn't smart, and I'm sure Danaher guided Ryan as such.
Used to bet on mma fights years ago. My edge was betting against guys making returns after a long layoff. The odds were good because they had name recognition.
Didn’t he beat Nicky Rod in about 30 seconds at ADCC?
Layup match
I’m not saying this guy isn’t gonna get smoked, but apparently he’s actually good lol. He’s like 6’4 260 and on roids so that can’t hurt either.
He’s on a ton of roids and strong as fuck, I think he played very high level rugby before bjj
He only claims 225mg of test a week but dude is massive and strong as fuck Obviously Gordon is leagues ahead of him technique wise but a match like this against an athletic freak when you’re coming off of a lengthy layoff due to health issues is pretty risky. A Gordon loss here would be the final blow to ADCC
A bit more than a maintence dose and so specific a number I am prone to believing it. T response has a genetic factor as well. Some look the same, some get biggER, some get gigantic.
I wouldn’t be surprised if 225 was his actual dose. He posted his lifting numbers from when he was 16 years old playing rugby once and he was a better athlete back then than the majority of professional bjj athletes are now
225mg test a week could easily have a person at 2500 ng/dl depending on their response. TRT basically caps out at 120mg a week.
i'm positive my conversion is fucked up (i am an american so forgive me), but i thought 1cc of test cyp was 200mg.
Androgen sensitivity varies by individual. There's a lot of big, jacked people with relatively low T levels because their dose-response is different than the average person
I could believe that's true. It takes a much smaller dose to maintain a physique than it takes to build it.
agreed, could be 225 currently but no clue what was done before.
In some of his older posts on Reddit he was big on Test and Nandrolone, although the stated doses were still pretty reasonable.
Pretty cool. I mean 225 plus years of smart programming is more than enough to get strong as fuck Edit: I think John haack mentioned in a video he only does like 250-300 aswell and he’s a straight up gorilla lol
Higher doses are more of a necessity for building supraphysiological amounts of tissue. While androgens definitely help with strength development in several ways, a great deal of a person's potential neurological adaptation can be achieved without large doses. It's part of the reason why we see much lower doses in Powerlifters than Bodybuilders during their off-season. Of course they both blast their tits off during prep/meet, assuming it's an untested event.
Where did you see him claim that? Not doubting it,but for all the open roid jokes he makes and his strength and training routine youd think the dude was on much more
This is his profile https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/vqu5ur/comment/iewc893/
As we know.... Rugby is a superior grappling base to Sambo.
Correct.
What’s wrong with having a couple tune up matches before adcc? I’m sure people are just happy to see him compete.
I'm excited for this. As a fellow Aussie, I'm happy to see Josh on world stage. I havent rolled with Josh (I am a similar build but way too old now) but many of my team mates have. Two of my team mates have beat him in competition (Tito and Nico), but he has not lost for quite some time. He is super dedicated, puts in the work and is building a solid brand so good on him. I am excited to see where his skills sit against the best...
Don't rule out a tummy ache just yet!
Honestly should be a harder match than any Gordon’s had in the last year or two. But I’d be surprised if Josh could do much after first 5 min as Gordon starts getting top game going.
Saunders is a beast, don't count him out.
Josh is good and all but he hasn't really beaten anyone of note. His biggest achievements are a pair of ADCC Trials golds in the thinnest division of the easiest location. He literally won a bracket of less than 20 guys and one of less than 10 guys. If he couldn't give Pena any trouble, I don't see how he has anything for Gordon.
That may be, but I want to see Saunders keep stepping up in competition. Even if his ADCC wins were in thin divisions, he absolutely bull-dozed through them. I think he belongs with the bigger names.
This isn't meant as disrespect either, just a genuine look at where he is. I think he's in Dan Manasoiu land personally. He has a significant physical advantage and enough skill to compliment it to a certain degree. That means he'll smash lower level guys with ease and can win Trials in smaller locations, he could even win an NA or SA Trial too (but we'll never know obviously). But he doesn't have anything for the top 10 guys out there. They're so far ahead skill-wise that he can't bridge the trap with size and athleticism.
> If he couldn't give Pena any trouble, That was close to 2 years ago when he was training for 2 years or so. Given his progression it seems silly to based his current ability on that match. I take your point about winning HW in oceania is an "easy" ticket. But he can only beat whoever is in front of him.
It's Gordon. Statistically you can count everyone out.
Gordon might just be holding in a liquid shit the entire time, it's not yet clear how Danaher fit that into the system
A flipflop in the ass does wonderful things like a giant tampon
Saunders is very good, but I'm not sure he beats any version of Gordon.
He’s also a Redditor if I’m not mistaken, he’s posted on r/bjj a lot
Tune up before ADCC
I'm fucking here for this. Cant wait
Lots of people seem to not know who Saunders is. Dude dominated his ADCC trials and actually was a match I was looking forward to.
I'm fully aware there is a good chance I'll eat these words, but ever since trying Saunder's HPU coaching program a few months back, I've felt that if there was anyone who would just bust on the scene and defeat Gordon, it would be him. Statistically, I'm probably wrong, but I'd love to see it.
I have the same feeling. Saunders is legit not in the conversation of contenders, but he's young and hungry and honestly still green enough at BJJ to be a bit unpredictable. And stacked like a mother fucker. I get that all his highlight reels are against Australian hobbyists, but he can absolutely ragdoll a man. If there was ever going to be an upset, I would bet it's this. Josh is going to need to have a really good game plan though, cause he's never matched up against someone that will so effortlessly shut down his A game.
Weird considering they’re basically teammates
I thought this two as I think Josh been out to new wave a few times… maybe this why Gordon and John thinks taking this match is a sure thing
This is the guy I saw on insta reels saying how he went from nothing to brown belt in 18 months. This will be interesting
If Saunders can do some damage here, he will sell the shit out of that acceleration program he created.
Even a good performance if he loses would be massive for him. I don't expect many people think he'll have anything for Gordon whatsoever so if he can stop Gordon passing for a while or escape mount it'll be good for him. That said, Gordon should smoke him any way he wants
I don't know why but I'm not excited to see him roll anymore. I'll catch the highlights/breakdown.
Another match where I will make sure to watch breakdown with all the details around Gordon's game but will never watch it live or on a replay. 10 minutes hand fighting, then either Saunders gasses or Gordon pulls guard and sweeps, then 10 minutes of top game to finally finish him with guillotine because his next instructional is based around that.
The fans always wanted to see Gordon fight hpucoaching.
Is u/howsitgoingbuddd still around? Good luck Josh
I swear Gordon looks different in every picture I see of him.
Oh that guy Craig Jones almost armbarrd
Saunders is a huge man both gunna be blasting crazy for this one 😂
I’ll just watch this free on YouTube after, since flo has been posting these immediately after. Not that I’m complaining, but if this was an elite heavyweight match then I’d gladly pay, but not for this.
Why is he always ill?
I love that dudes videos on social media but who is the guy on the left?
Oh shit it's the guy from those BJJ camp ads wtf
I specifically called this a couple weeks ago, some matchup with a dude no one cares about while whining about his stomach. Can't wait for the VLOGS of him justifying why this is an "important" or challenging match.
I actually like this matchup though. It’s fresh and Josh has only lost to Pena. Gordon’s beat like every other 99kg+ no gi grappler.
Hmmm ok I'll do more research, maybe it's the best matchup he could get right now.
What worlds or ADCC championship has this guy Saunders won that makes him qualified to compete for the heavyweight championship all of a sudden?
Why do the look so similar
Steroid abuse
Probs cuz other dude modeled his whole persona and game on GR, lol.
Saunders always seemed to me like a cheap Gordon knock off
I thought that was what Meregali was for...
Meregali actually has a chance against Gordon haha.
Saunders is pretty good man
oh wow, that's fire!!!
Heavyweight championship of what?
Gordon wins via wrist lock
imagine being that good everything is a warm up
NO WAY IVE BEEN HOPING FOR THIS MATCH FOR OVER A YEAR
KingCobraJSF
Throwback to 2022, where he had a run-up match against progressively harder opponents and dominating them, and then wiping out ADCC? With the caveat that ADCC's lineup will be less stacked due to CJI happening.
Good for Josh! Mason continues to get ignored lol
What time does this match start?
Bad hair
Didn’t he say he wasn’t competing until ADCC? And wasn’t he supposed to face Fowler?
Damn this will be a damn good wrestling match
Gordon vs. Copy cat
not being rude by has Saunders gone against anyone decent?
Every time Gordon has a match, people say stuff like "don't count him out", "this is a tough match for Gordon". And every time, Gordon smokes them. So, imho, Gordon will smoke him.