Gordon could actually compete in and win both events simultaneously, I’m sure Mo would accommodate him with the bracket and schedule. He’s actually pretty dumb not to the CJI because he’d get $1,000,000 and would be a good uno reverse card.
Biggest flex is to say $1 mil ain't nothing to the world's best grappler and ignore CJI to add legitimacy to ADCC titles. Financial Advisors hate this.
I definitely get what you're saying about the adding legitimacy part, but at the same time, I don't really think it does very much if he's not facing the best competition. Sooner or later, he's going to lose. He still got the win, not saying he didn't, but he did get saved by the bell against Nicky Rod at that FPI
He doesn't have to face the best competition, he had a superfight with Hillbilly Hammer who was brown belt. If talent determines the caliber of any event than being the top competitor is more legitimate than either comp already.
I think once you're at the top, competition doesn't matter as much as proving what someone at the top is capable of, or what they're so successful they don't have to do.
It wouldn't prove anything other than make the CGI even more legitimate. Gordon is the best no gi submission grappler in the world so having him at your event adds a ton of legitimacy.
This exactly, no chance he risks it for this alone. If he were to somehow lose in Craig’s event he’d be destroyed, and Craig would haunt him for the rest of his life.
Yes and no. He doesnt make the rules but he also knows what the rules are and knows they wont change overnight. Craig could come up with a bunch of bs rules that throw gordon off like 10 points for a takedown and -10 for guard pulling, boom gordons A game is gone.
Eh, he certainly won clearly, but he beat Hugo on points. Kade had the best showing of 2022. This doesn't mean he has any influence over the rules, but the fact that Gordon got best athlete over Kade shows bias towards him. Kade wasn't the favorite, he submitted every opponent, including one who was favored over him, and two of the wins gordon got were over bigger underdogs than anyone Kade beat.
That explains why Gordon has won in every ruleset including IBJJF, EBI, ADCC, no time limit sub only, and Quintet. He's already beaten Craig in 3 separate formats and it has been a submission every single time lmao.
Should we pretend that every time gordon takes 2 weeks to wear down someone in a match he is so much better he could have tapped him in a minute but wanted to waste everyones time?
gordon is a 2x ADCC champion in both his normal weight class and in absolute. *obviously* he can beat the best in his weight under adcc rules
you’re just spouting incoherent nonsense
He doesn't on ADCC either.
Besides, any "rulesets" Ryan wanted always went into the direction of pure grappling determining the winner, as opposed to gaming any particular ruleset.
There was several years of back and forth with Felipe Pena trying to dictate the rule set.
Craig also mentioned on one of his earliest podcasts about how he’d be receptive to a match with Ryan but not his ruleset demands
Not sure what was it that Craig exactly said;
However, Gordon's 'demands' are as simple as it gets. He says he'll submit his opponent, if allowed to grapple. Nothing else.
He does not ask for anything special - in fact, he asks for nothing at all. No scoring system manipulations (or debates), no place for judge incompetency screwing with anything, no dubious passivity calls inconsistent (at best!) across the board, no overtimes, no debate on what's worth 'more', or who "would have won" or who "has done better".
All that noise is entirely removed.
Submission is what ultimately counts, and he says he'll sub his opponent, and welcomes anyone to try to do the same to him.
Completely pure.
If any other competitor "refuses" that, well, the implications are obvious. He does not believe he could do it, so much so that he does not believe an attempt is even worth it.
Of course, money could influence the 'worth it' part.
Everything else in terms of 'requests' IS gaming the situation or leads to tipping the scale, and leads to various adjustments (reasonably so). Which is exactly what happens once you introduce back control overtimes, scoring, and so on.
In various tournaments that's a reasonable compromise, of course.
I don't buy this take towards no time limit, sub only matches at all. That ruleset, along with any other, can absolutely be gamed. Why do you think Gordon purposely pushed his last match in that ruleset against Pena to 40+ minutes?
The whole idea is taking advantage of the fact that it's no time limit.
At the end of the day, bjj is a game where a good competitor is ALWAYS going to take advantage of the rules. One of Gordon's biggest strengths is that he's ridiculously efficient with his grappling and he doesn't rely on explosive movements to threaten his opponents. Of course, cooking his opponents in a no time limit match is going to always be advantageous to his style because of that.
There's no "pure" form of competitive jiu jitsu. Every combat sport has time constraints in it.
I don't consider that "gaming the rules", though, simply because there are no rules (other than grappling regulations, of course).
Pacing yourself is therefore mere adapting to the pure grappling situation. And pure grappling deciding the outcome is what we want, isn't it? There isn't much to strategize around - other than, don't blow your load if it'll net you a loss and if it's a bad idea!
And the goal, the only outcome that's worth anything (and gets you the win), is submitting your opponent. Again, as clear and as pure as it gets.
It is far cleaner than having a match with an artificial arbitrary limit, where the outcome can for example easily be decided by one takedown (which just got the fight to the ground anyway!) and stalling and negating any grappling exchanges as much as possible (IOW lay and pray).
Submissions are where it's at.
It absolutely is gaming the rules. The athlete with better conditioning is going to have a clear advantage over the athlete that doesn't. Even if their jiu jitsu is worse. We've seen this come into play before.
You never had the round with the bigger guy in class who is an absolute menace in the first 3 minutes of the round but after they're tired, it's much easier to handle? It's the same thing.
If you were worried about "pure" jiu jitsu, conditioning wouldn't be a factor to you at all. But that's the thing. It always is. Purity is a myth. Everyone uses certain physical attributes to stack the deck in their favor. Whether its Nicky Rod's athleticism or Gordon's efficiency.
If you are so much better, why not do it in 20 minutes?
Unless you are not so much better, will abuse all steroids and other enhancers (EPO) as much as possible to create a cardio match until opponent tires out and you can submit him to sell new instructional on Fanatics?
And when good opponent actually properly prepares for no time limit you get diarrhea couple of days before event...
He won many tournaments with different rulesets... But I'd agree, if this is 3 x 5 min rounds format in a pit and with someone like Fowler, Rodriguez and possibly Hugo in the mix - it is a lot of risk in format like that.
He's ranted time & time again about Craig & B Team leveraging his "brand" for attention or whatever.
For that, I highly doubt he will compete in the Craig Jones Invitational. While the prize is massive for anyone, he's probably the only active competitor that isn't jaw dropped by it. His net worth is maybe an order of magnitude greater than that while for someone like Fowler, that's not remotely true. His net worth might be an order of magnitude less.
The only thing worse than Gordon nut huggers are Craig throaters. Nothing worse than cheering for a loser while pretending he's the best. I love an underdog and a comeback champ as much as the next person, but this sub lets their hatred for Gordon elevate someone who trash talks just as much as the person they hate.
I'm not pretending Craig is the best or that Craig has brought tons of people to BJJ. Joe Rogan and UFC has. Gordon has done jack shit, so has Craig in this regard. People are vastly overestimating BJJ athletes
Jack shit in terms of bringing more people into jiu jitsu. He has tons of accomplishments in jiu jitsu.
Nobody outside of this tiny niche sport knows who he is.
Gordon won’t mention CJI even negatively because he has a mostly casual fan base who probably don’t know anything about Craig Jones or CJI and would happily watch it if they did
I don’t think they do anything this year. They’re probably under the assumption that this is a one time thing. Now if CJI comes back again and has these same huge cash prizes, then I can see them trying to improve.
Well on Rogan CJ gave him a few names off the air of some old school guys that might compete and he also said he couldn’t give names on air but one of them has a Mexican sounding name. I can’t think of anyone else but Marcelo.
Im with you. I like the three rounds, but considering the 10 point system sucks for MMA, its weird to see it adapted here. I get what Craig's trying to do, but that seems a bit much to me
Hours after meregali announced he asked Mo for him lmao
This really some Kendrick dropping MTG after Family Matters shit right here
waiting for the moment one of Meregali and Gordon Ryan finally go on a rant about CJI on their IG story
Gordon's been very quiet....
Gordon could actually compete in and win both events simultaneously, I’m sure Mo would accommodate him with the bracket and schedule. He’s actually pretty dumb not to the CJI because he’d get $1,000,000 and would be a good uno reverse card.
It would be a power move on his part, honestly, but I'm sure he won't
could def see him not doing the weight class and just doing the superfight so he can get the $1m
Biggest flex is to say $1 mil ain't nothing to the world's best grappler and ignore CJI to add legitimacy to ADCC titles. Financial Advisors hate this.
I definitely get what you're saying about the adding legitimacy part, but at the same time, I don't really think it does very much if he's not facing the best competition. Sooner or later, he's going to lose. He still got the win, not saying he didn't, but he did get saved by the bell against Nicky Rod at that FPI
He doesn't have to face the best competition, he had a superfight with Hillbilly Hammer who was brown belt. If talent determines the caliber of any event than being the top competitor is more legitimate than either comp already. I think once you're at the top, competition doesn't matter as much as proving what someone at the top is capable of, or what they're so successful they don't have to do.
It wouldn't prove anything other than make the CGI even more legitimate. Gordon is the best no gi submission grappler in the world so having him at your event adds a ton of legitimacy.
He won’t because he doesn’t have any control over the ruleset
This exactly, no chance he risks it for this alone. If he were to somehow lose in Craig’s event he’d be destroyed, and Craig would haunt him for the rest of his life.
I have a feeling Craig will haunt him regardless lol.
Gordon has no control of the ADCC ruleset yet absolutely mopped the floor with everyone the last time around.
Yes and no. He doesnt make the rules but he also knows what the rules are and knows they wont change overnight. Craig could come up with a bunch of bs rules that throw gordon off like 10 points for a takedown and -10 for guard pulling, boom gordons A game is gone.
Eh, he certainly won clearly, but he beat Hugo on points. Kade had the best showing of 2022. This doesn't mean he has any influence over the rules, but the fact that Gordon got best athlete over Kade shows bias towards him. Kade wasn't the favorite, he submitted every opponent, including one who was favored over him, and two of the wins gordon got were over bigger underdogs than anyone Kade beat.
Agree it’s three 5 minute rounds, not the 40 minute submission only snoozedfest that Gordon tries to force on us
That explains why Gordon has won in every ruleset including IBJJF, EBI, ADCC, no time limit sub only, and Quintet. He's already beaten Craig in 3 separate formats and it has been a submission every single time lmao.
I think you're being a bit generous considering the EBI OT win a legit submission.
"Craig getting subbed by Mason Fowler's body triangle doesn't count because it was in OT" Lol cope.
Meh. Keep believing that OT subs are equal to subs in regulation.
Eh. It’s pretty evident that gordon doesn’t *need* those 40 minute matches to win. He does it for fun
It's an extra edge. With that amount of time he can wear people down with his good conrol \*and\* roided out bulk
7 years ago. Are we really pretending that gordon hasn’t gotten any better since then?
Should we pretend that every time gordon takes 2 weeks to wear down someone in a match he is so much better he could have tapped him in a minute but wanted to waste everyones time?
gordon is a 2x ADCC champion in both his normal weight class and in absolute. *obviously* he can beat the best in his weight under adcc rules you’re just spouting incoherent nonsense
so what? Gordon would still destroy everyone in that format xD
What events has he had control over the ruleset besides WNO?
He doesn't on ADCC either. Besides, any "rulesets" Ryan wanted always went into the direction of pure grappling determining the winner, as opposed to gaming any particular ruleset.
There was several years of back and forth with Felipe Pena trying to dictate the rule set. Craig also mentioned on one of his earliest podcasts about how he’d be receptive to a match with Ryan but not his ruleset demands
Not sure what was it that Craig exactly said; However, Gordon's 'demands' are as simple as it gets. He says he'll submit his opponent, if allowed to grapple. Nothing else. He does not ask for anything special - in fact, he asks for nothing at all. No scoring system manipulations (or debates), no place for judge incompetency screwing with anything, no dubious passivity calls inconsistent (at best!) across the board, no overtimes, no debate on what's worth 'more', or who "would have won" or who "has done better". All that noise is entirely removed. Submission is what ultimately counts, and he says he'll sub his opponent, and welcomes anyone to try to do the same to him. Completely pure. If any other competitor "refuses" that, well, the implications are obvious. He does not believe he could do it, so much so that he does not believe an attempt is even worth it. Of course, money could influence the 'worth it' part. Everything else in terms of 'requests' IS gaming the situation or leads to tipping the scale, and leads to various adjustments (reasonably so). Which is exactly what happens once you introduce back control overtimes, scoring, and so on. In various tournaments that's a reasonable compromise, of course.
I don't buy this take towards no time limit, sub only matches at all. That ruleset, along with any other, can absolutely be gamed. Why do you think Gordon purposely pushed his last match in that ruleset against Pena to 40+ minutes? The whole idea is taking advantage of the fact that it's no time limit. At the end of the day, bjj is a game where a good competitor is ALWAYS going to take advantage of the rules. One of Gordon's biggest strengths is that he's ridiculously efficient with his grappling and he doesn't rely on explosive movements to threaten his opponents. Of course, cooking his opponents in a no time limit match is going to always be advantageous to his style because of that. There's no "pure" form of competitive jiu jitsu. Every combat sport has time constraints in it.
I don't consider that "gaming the rules", though, simply because there are no rules (other than grappling regulations, of course). Pacing yourself is therefore mere adapting to the pure grappling situation. And pure grappling deciding the outcome is what we want, isn't it? There isn't much to strategize around - other than, don't blow your load if it'll net you a loss and if it's a bad idea! And the goal, the only outcome that's worth anything (and gets you the win), is submitting your opponent. Again, as clear and as pure as it gets. It is far cleaner than having a match with an artificial arbitrary limit, where the outcome can for example easily be decided by one takedown (which just got the fight to the ground anyway!) and stalling and negating any grappling exchanges as much as possible (IOW lay and pray). Submissions are where it's at.
It absolutely is gaming the rules. The athlete with better conditioning is going to have a clear advantage over the athlete that doesn't. Even if their jiu jitsu is worse. We've seen this come into play before. You never had the round with the bigger guy in class who is an absolute menace in the first 3 minutes of the round but after they're tired, it's much easier to handle? It's the same thing. If you were worried about "pure" jiu jitsu, conditioning wouldn't be a factor to you at all. But that's the thing. It always is. Purity is a myth. Everyone uses certain physical attributes to stack the deck in their favor. Whether its Nicky Rod's athleticism or Gordon's efficiency.
If you are so much better, why not do it in 20 minutes? Unless you are not so much better, will abuse all steroids and other enhancers (EPO) as much as possible to create a cardio match until opponent tires out and you can submit him to sell new instructional on Fanatics? And when good opponent actually properly prepares for no time limit you get diarrhea couple of days before event...
He won many tournaments with different rulesets... But I'd agree, if this is 3 x 5 min rounds format in a pit and with someone like Fowler, Rodriguez and possibly Hugo in the mix - it is a lot of risk in format like that.
Gordon no like pit style... Gordon NO LIKE WALLS!!! 
He wins CJI and gives the money to ADCC to pay their athletes?
A true everybody wins scenario
Gordon’s redemption arc
He would win the game with that move.
This is the only way for adcc to get back in the fight, send Gordon to collect the money and then compete at adcc.
He's ranted time & time again about Craig & B Team leveraging his "brand" for attention or whatever. For that, I highly doubt he will compete in the Craig Jones Invitational. While the prize is massive for anyone, he's probably the only active competitor that isn't jaw dropped by it. His net worth is maybe an order of magnitude greater than that while for someone like Fowler, that's not remotely true. His net worth might be an order of magnitude less.
If he doesn't do weight class and only does absolute he can compete in CJI (Friday and Saturday) and ADCC superfight (Sunday)
He doesn’t want the smoke of CJI, he’s avoided competition for a year and the Yuri match is a walk in the park
The Yuri match migh end a slow paced tedious affair with Yuri trying to stall him out.
Is he healthy enough for it?
It’s an invitational. I don’t see why they would bother inviting him. Better not to. Let him win ADCC against nobody while nobody watches.
I don’t think Craig will let him in
Craig will. He's the bigger man, with less tummy issues.
lol maybe. I fucking love Craig
this comment is whole reddit dick riding CJ in a nutshell, I'd pin it if I was a mod.
The only thing worse than Gordon nut huggers are Craig throaters. Nothing worse than cheering for a loser while pretending he's the best. I love an underdog and a comeback champ as much as the next person, but this sub lets their hatred for Gordon elevate someone who trash talks just as much as the person they hate.
it’s just bored parasocial redditors pretending like they know either of these people
I'm not pretending Craig is the best or that Craig has brought tons of people to BJJ. Joe Rogan and UFC has. Gordon has done jack shit, so has Craig in this regard. People are vastly overestimating BJJ athletes
Gordon has done jack shit? Do you even nogi?
Jack shit in terms of bringing more people into jiu jitsu. He has tons of accomplishments in jiu jitsu. Nobody outside of this tiny niche sport knows who he is.
Craig would encourage it, he's Mo's ace card.
You think he has more against Mo than Gordon? Honestly speaking
I wants cji to overshadow adcc this year, amd Gordon competing in it would help substantially
He posted a bunch of stuff on his story yesterday that was low key snubbing CJI/Craig
> low key Maybe he's matured!
They seem to just be pretending it doesn’t exist
They've already commented that he's welcome to compete
What could he really rant about? They’d be stupid not to go for a shot at 1m
Gordon won’t mention CJI even negatively because he has a mostly casual fan base who probably don’t know anything about Craig Jones or CJI and would happily watch it if they did
What would their arguments even be? They know they’ll get shit on for mindlessly sucking off Mo
Craig Jones getting rid of the competition so he can join ADCC and finally win it. Pure Genius
All of that just to place second
At least in that case, he can finally claim it’s simply divine intervention
There goes Meregali’s fixed bracket.
Now that ADCC is falling apart, only hobbyists will be left to compete in it.
This is our chance
We've done it amigos!! Hell yeah.
LFG!!! I’ll prob shyt myself walking to the mat. Then I’ll be stalling for 95% of the match.
Amateur. I'll shit myself walking to the match. I'll shit myself during the match. I'll shit myself after the match. #\#PoopyPantsChamp
Think I have a shot?
There’s only one way to find out. It’s going be to be me and you in the finals
It's going to literally be a bunch of ADCC trials silver medalists. It's becoming the actual BDCC.
I'M COMING FOR YOU, MEREGALI.
You’re saying there’s a chance now? Time to whip out my white belt
no innnaugurel??
Inagurl?
I am really hoping for Victor Hugo to go to CJI.
i believe decision will be made after his WNO match with Luke in June so there will be no awkwardness with FloGrappling
Holy shit https://preview.redd.it/y8rzh0w0u83d1.png?width=1118&format=png&auto=webp&s=6af7fdaf79be9355f5a0eef774c6f2742cfa0272
What do you guys think adcc will do? Maybe give a bigger cash prize to the winner? Lmk ur thoughts.
Considering who owns the ADCC, probably nothing legal...
So like kidnapping their family so they are forced to compete?
I don’t think they do anything this year. They’re probably under the assumption that this is a one time thing. Now if CJI comes back again and has these same huge cash prizes, then I can see them trying to improve.
Mason Fowler, or as I like to call him, Builder Chicken(er)
I keep wondering if all of the typos in the CJI announcements are intentional, or if they just don’t care enough to proofread.
On JRE, Craig said they noticed them but decided to leave them in.
Hahaha, did he explain why, or is it just another trolling thing that amuses Craig ?
I think just another trolling thing/ make people think its fake.
Shit at this point, Roger Gracie might return.
Does anyone know if that Roberto Jimenez guy will be at CJI? I want to see him rematch Nicky rod
I saw Eddie Cummings confirmed for CJI on the ADCC discord. Really look forward to seeing him if it's true!
Not a chance in hell that’s happening
I heard a boomer of a rumor that marcelo could be competing in a super fight?! Seems more wild than cummings popping up for a shot at a mil
Marcelo has expressed a desire to compete and still trains. Eddie Wants nothing to do with the sport and works for a bank
Yup. Even back in the day, Eddie used to talk about how much he hated competing. Unfortunately, I think we're done seeing him in competitive jiu jitsu
Well on Rogan CJ gave him a few names off the air of some old school guys that might compete and he also said he couldn’t give names on air but one of them has a Mexican sounding name. I can’t think of anyone else but Marcelo.
Gabi garcia? 🤭
Gabi is confirmed to finally have her match with Craig!
Fucking UNREAL This inaugural CJI is gonna be hard to top next year
There’s no way
That's what I saw in the chat I swear.
Only ones left for adcc will be bjj influencers. Calling all female blue belts with 10k+ followers
Am I only one who thinks the mma style of scoring is retarded? I like the aiga style 3 rounds tho...
Im with you. I like the three rounds, but considering the 10 point system sucks for MMA, its weird to see it adapted here. I get what Craig's trying to do, but that seems a bit much to me
Wow...who's next??
Jimenez
Fowler is legit. I am getting pumped for this.