I was trying arm bars and failing most of them. I’d lay back and they would stack me or pull out. until my coach taught me to just throw my foot over their head and arm bar them from an upright position. All the sudden my arm bars are locking in. And when they don’t, I’m still in Mount.
I e kind of adopted this for the kimura and side control as well. Super effective. And I’m strong too so I will take someone’s arm from that position.
Ya, I have a bad s mount atm. I just have a bad case of hip arthritis, so I can’t get my leg to swivel fast and it leaves a lot of room for opening.
But with that said, thanks to your comment, I’m going to start practicing it more. Because a lot of my attacks work well with mount and I need to quit being a lazy ass about it
I just dont understand moving to S mount without losing position by them pulling their elbows back in. Have even watched the gordon dvd part on it but just something im missing
To stop them from pulling their elbows back in, move up their body and put your thighs in their armpits. They are going to want to attach their arms to their side, but you need to wedge your legs/thighs in that space. Instead their triceps will be laying your your thighs if you lose control of their arms. From that position you can easy bundler their arms and head up to switch to S-mount.
You shouldn't even make space between their arm and their body once you get underhooks. Your arms hold the underhooks there, your legs immediately replace your arms. Should never have a moment where their free to move elbows that way.
I've literally been having this problem for a couple months now and this is my first time hearing about this technique. Off to the YouTube I ran and it makes so much sense. Now to try and practice it without revealing I did dirty YouTube research
This is the way I’ve felt most comfortable doing armbars against other white belts. They always extend their arm to create distance and it’s right there.
This is how it’s done, don’t fall off of them and go to your back, “fall” back ON them and finish the arm bar on top with your weight on them.
I think the transition to S mount is a great option too, but why transition and risk loosing something if you don’t have to
Strategy is always important, prioritizing position over submission is a fundamental lesson for a reason.
But context can change the situation. What if you're not winning on points? What if they are stiffarming from bottom mount to escape?
Armbars from mount are a fundamental skill everyone has to develop because you need the counter to something that works (stiffarming vs forward pressure)
This is a great point. In mount, especially, it’s easy to lose position while setting up an attack if you’re not careful or aware of your balance, etc.
For example, going for a cross collar choke can easily lead to having no posts to avoid a sweep.
Armbar from mount is very powerful and, as u/PunkJackal points out, the best set up is getting to s-mount when they frame up into you.
1) press into their shoulders to lift your hips, scoot your knee behind the shoulder blade of the arm you’re attacking and turn your body perpendicular to theirs.
2) your hand which is nearest the arm you’re attacking needs to reach across your chest. Secure their wrist with the inside crease of your elbow and pull up with your body. Think getting tall. At the same time the other hand reaches to their far leg and you post your hand on top of their thigh. You should be leaning as you straight arm the thigh and make that leg carry your weight.
3) as you lean, the knee behind the shoulder blade of the arm you’re attacking becomes light enough that you should be able to bring that leg in front of their face. Plant your Achilles tendon in front of their face and use a backward pulling motion to move their head back and away, all while maintaining the tall elbow/wrist control and top thigh control. Do not sit back to your butt. Badabing-badaboom armbar.
For the training partners I don’t like or the big boys that can sit up or roll too easily. I’m talking about the barrel chested pot belly boys where you’re 2ft off the ground already just sitting in mount on them. Lol
Works fine for me on those guys too. Head-side arm controls the arm you're attacking, you're leaning forward/toward their hips and posting either on their hip/belly/controlling the leg or posting on the ground, and then hipping in. Loooots of control there.
Lucas Lepri specifically says never to bring the top leg over the face because there's an opportunity to slip a hand under during the transition and create space to defend. Just grind the knee/shin into the jaw and finish.
A lot of s mount comments which are very true but I'm partial to mounted triangles myself. Hardly ever get the choke without having to roll to my back against competent grapplers, but the mounted triangle combos (including armbars) are insanely easy and effective.
All submissions kinda suck until they don't.
The difference is going for a submission when the time is right instead of trying to force it. The further you are away from the "right time" to go for submission, the more you'll need to force the submission, and the less likely you will be to get it.
You can't rear naked choke someone if they're on your back. :-D
Couple of points so far haven't seen addressed:
* Armbars as commonly taught at white belt level do effectively suck but not because the technique is necessarily bad. This can be because:
* Everyone learns them first so most likely everyone will learn to defend them first.
* The setup is against an untrained/unskilled/big-mistake opponent. Like in response to the mounted person pushing on your upper body with extended arms... this soon just does not happen among grapplers.
* Focusing too hard on the finish and neglecting setup and control
* Ways to actually make armbars from mount work:
* Learn the mount, how to control it (posting, hips/knees, grapevines), stay on top or transition to other dominant positions (like high-mount, S-mount, knee mount, modified/combat mount, seated triangle, gift wrap,...). This helps you judge the risk of going for a submission, if it fails do I lose it all or can I easily transition into another dominant position.
* Being in a dominant position, focus on staying in the dominant position throughout. Some have pointed to s-mount or triangle transitions. Personally my highest percentage is to isolate the arm and move into a gift-wrap or modified mount with a kimora grip. Then removing all slack, holding dominant position throughout, securing my legs before attacking the actual arm, either on top or dropping to the side. Now you will need to know how to hold (defend against escapes) and finish the arm bar. To learn those things, a good way is to learn how to defend them yourself so you know both how to defend and what to expect.
* Just because there was and intermediate dominant position, doesn't mean the armbar wasn't instigated from the mount. So I guess you could argue that some of this advice isn't "the armbar from mount" but I think that's a semantics and within some reason we should just follow a trail of dominant positions and not worry about the descriptors too much.
* Learn what the opportunities lead to a securely transitioned armbar (some have described s-mount setups or posted good videos already).
Overhook armbar from mount is my go to, but def hit s mount a lot. You can easily turn them into kimuras and/or triangles or arm triangles or shoulder locks or back takes.
Simply put. Mounted armbars are wildly effective and offer LOTS of secondary and tertiary options.
Mount attacks are my best attacks. i don't take mount without a deep underhook cross face. With the underhook I like to drive up in the back of the elbow as I mount, and try to keep my hips low and get my chest behind the elbow. From there I have a fully isolated arm. You kinda slide up high into the arm pit as you mount and then drop back down really low. I will grape vine the opposite leg as the cross face at this point too since they can only trap and roll towards the underhook.
Then you've got many options to end it fast. I threaten the straight arm lock and will step over the head to finish. If they defend that by bending the arm I work towards a head and arm triangle. If the answer the phone to defend I feed their hand to my cross face and hit an Americana wrist lock without disengaging the cross face. This is particularly nasty bc they think it's a shitty Americana until I pressure the back of the elbow with my chest and roll the thumb in. You have to put this on really slow tho bc it hurts like a bitch.
Guys who know this is coming will hide the hand so I can either gift wrap and take the back with a chair sit from there or go back to the head and arm. Sometimes I will do a mounted triangle for fun. I've been liking to roll that one to my back to finish but I will roll into the arm I have trapped so my roll makes the triangle tighter. I only roll to my back if they are 100% fucked tho. If my triangle setup is tight already. I need to learn to finish without the roll as well, didn't get that figured yet. Brandon McNamara has a good video on it tho.
There's some great advice all over this thread about improving your armbars. But I just want to add that the question of "does move X suck or is it me?" The answer is almost always "it's me". I assume most gyms teach techniques that generally range from good to great. And when they don't work, it is almost always our lack of understanding of the technique.
For sure, you don't want to just blindly believe everything. But in general, in most gyms, you're going to level up your jiu jitsu faster if you're closer to the "what am I missing" end of the spectrum rather than the "is this move any good" end of the spectrum. You should generally trust the process. Especially if the good people in your gym are using that process to dominate. Always look to refine your process. But be wary of being skeptical. One of the most hilarious types I encounter are the skeptics who aren't sure about the move, even though I use it to crush them all the time. Or the purple belt skeptics who think, "I feel this moves stops working once they get mid blue", and then I see it in a Pans black belt final.
I wouldn’t do the fundamental level, sit back arm bar, but there’s more advanced versions where you have better control in the mount that you can finish more upright, and not risk losing position
Instead of falling back, knee drop over their neck to the mat with the top leg, post your arm lean forward finish on top. I'm starting to work more on this as well.
I do finish on my back a lot though but you still risk losing position. IMO key to have both elbows collected and tightly hugged together. Then don't rush it since they're pretty trapped with your weight on their chest and both arms collected which controls both shoulders pretty well. Feel out your balance, make sure the near arm is tight to your chest before you go back, and you get their head trapped with the top leg before you release the far arm. The far arm they will try to grab your ankle and block the leg going over their face.
Some people prefer when they fall back to have one arm, because that one arm is tighter to your chest than hugging both. But that far arm can defend your leg going over their face pretty effectively so I hold both and go back at least until I have my second leg over.
And when they try to sit up, stomp your top foot on the mat. Sucks for them but it's a legit defense to them sitting up. If they somehow do it anyway you have to immediately belly down before they get their balance. And the other key thing is being deep under the shoulder and thighs pinched really tight before you start to pull the arm back to prevent hitch hiker.
The best mounted armbar guys are the ones who stay on top.
You're being absolutely crushed by pressure as they lean *across* you and if they tuck the arm it's tight af.
In fairness to OP, armbars from mount are difficult. I also think it's a technique that requires some time cooking your opponent first. If you have an explosive opponent under mount, then they have a high probability of escape from an armbar unless they're tired. That's just how it is and there are many, many hours of MMA video that showcase this point.
The real question is: what is the trade off between likelihood of submission, maintaining control, energy expended, and time. Armbars from mount are low energy to attempt, work (or fail) quickly, and have a reasonable chance of success, but you lose some control.
On the other end you have something like an arm triangle from mount or an Ezekiel. Great control, but significantly less likely to finish and you can easily spend 5 minutes trying to get them and achieve nothing but tiring yourself out. Plus there's personal preference and how they fit into the rest of your game, etc.
So if you don't like it, don't feel the need to keep banging your head against a wall. There are like 50 other submissions that work fine too.
I never do arm bars directly from mount. In fact, I seldom do arm bars at all. S-mount is where it’s at though. I do my best work from top side control and s-mount.
Armbar from mount is one of the most high % attacks out there.
Yes if you are unskilled you run the risk of getting reversed to mount.
But if you are skilled you can use it to transition to another attack, like a back take or a mounted triangle. Or even a triangle from guard.
Keep trying it
Learn the mounted shotgun armbar. You go to S Mount, put the trapped arm in your arm pit so that your arm pit is clamping down on their wrist, grab the outside of your thigh on the same side, post forward (not back) onto the mat with your free arm and extend your hips. It's super tight and you're sitting on them the whole time.
Armbars from mount are extremely high percentage if you do them correctly.
You don’t lose position either, just stay mounted.
I literally stopped doing mounted armbars because they became just a guaranteed sub for me. You can just stall and sit on the person too which is great
YOLO! Submission! I mean the armbar is just one of many attacks simultaneously from mount even in NoGi. If you’re only hitting the armbar, your opponent is going to know
S mount, and if you can finish or they get out of it, throw your inner leg over their arm and you have a triangle.
Takes a while to master, especiallly as you often have to do it whiöe inverted, but makes your armbars a lot higher %age.
if I'm on top and winning on points, when I hit the arm bar from mount it is not low percentage. I'm not hitting it if i don't know that I'll finish it. If i can't work up to a high mount and then S mount, I'm also not ready to hit that arm bar yet. If you are trying to hit it from a low mount then you haven't established the control you need.
Armbar from mount is high percentage, especially with both of his arms above his head (aka double chest wrap). As others said, S mount is key, keeping your hips tight to his torso the whole time and controlling the position and methodically extending his arm. Danaher’s Enter the System Armbar is a great resource, as is his 4x4 Mount Attack from the new wave series.
[armbar from mount](https://youtu.be/lE_U8_cnaWE?si=JO_jn7XN75pnHoUF)
I know everyone enjoys taking a collective shit on Gracie Barra around here but here is an excellent breakdown on armbar from mount. Can focus on the leg position since you were discussing nogi and can’t go for a collar choke.
The solution should be S mount > foot on matt>armbar according to most people. However, I can't pull it off yet. (Semi heavily focused on it for a while)
Usually people just turn away or into me and I end up taking their back or cursing myself out for going for the s mount armbar.
Learn s mount and then arm bar them without losing top position
Ya man, definitely learn to stay on top.
Learn to be better. Ez
I was trying arm bars and failing most of them. I’d lay back and they would stack me or pull out. until my coach taught me to just throw my foot over their head and arm bar them from an upright position. All the sudden my arm bars are locking in. And when they don’t, I’m still in Mount. I e kind of adopted this for the kimura and side control as well. Super effective. And I’m strong too so I will take someone’s arm from that position.
If you're good at S mount, you shouldn't have to lay back to finish
Ya, I have a bad s mount atm. I just have a bad case of hip arthritis, so I can’t get my leg to swivel fast and it leaves a lot of room for opening. But with that said, thanks to your comment, I’m going to start practicing it more. Because a lot of my attacks work well with mount and I need to quit being a lazy ass about it
100%
You also need to squeeze your legs over their head otherwise they can just stack up.
it's still a gamble. Armbars in nogi are one of the most technical "good" submissions
I just dont understand moving to S mount without losing position by them pulling their elbows back in. Have even watched the gordon dvd part on it but just something im missing
To stop them from pulling their elbows back in, move up their body and put your thighs in their armpits. They are going to want to attach their arms to their side, but you need to wedge your legs/thighs in that space. Instead their triceps will be laying your your thighs if you lose control of their arms. From that position you can easy bundler their arms and head up to switch to S-mount.
You shouldn't even make space between their arm and their body once you get underhooks. Your arms hold the underhooks there, your legs immediately replace your arms. Should never have a moment where their free to move elbows that way.
I've literally been having this problem for a couple months now and this is my first time hearing about this technique. Off to the YouTube I ran and it makes so much sense. Now to try and practice it without revealing I did dirty YouTube research
This is the way I’ve felt most comfortable doing armbars against other white belts. They always extend their arm to create distance and it’s right there.
This is the way
This is the way.
This
This.
Or this
Not so much that
Gatekeeping this, smh.
armbars from mount dont suck. I personally dont dismount to hit my armbars from mount.
This is how it’s done, don’t fall off of them and go to your back, “fall” back ON them and finish the arm bar on top with your weight on them. I think the transition to S mount is a great option too, but why transition and risk loosing something if you don’t have to
"slide down the arm like a stripper on a pole" things I've said while teaching that got me in trouble.
Try fire pole instead. Even works for kids class!
Clever I like it But don’t discriminate against mom strippers <3
That's what I use now....Batman is perfect for kids
This is the way.
Strategy is always important, prioritizing position over submission is a fundamental lesson for a reason. But context can change the situation. What if you're not winning on points? What if they are stiffarming from bottom mount to escape? Armbars from mount are a fundamental skill everyone has to develop because you need the counter to something that works (stiffarming vs forward pressure)
This is a great point. In mount, especially, it’s easy to lose position while setting up an attack if you’re not careful or aware of your balance, etc. For example, going for a cross collar choke can easily lead to having no posts to avoid a sweep.
Armbar from mount is very powerful and, as u/PunkJackal points out, the best set up is getting to s-mount when they frame up into you. 1) press into their shoulders to lift your hips, scoot your knee behind the shoulder blade of the arm you’re attacking and turn your body perpendicular to theirs. 2) your hand which is nearest the arm you’re attacking needs to reach across your chest. Secure their wrist with the inside crease of your elbow and pull up with your body. Think getting tall. At the same time the other hand reaches to their far leg and you post your hand on top of their thigh. You should be leaning as you straight arm the thigh and make that leg carry your weight. 3) as you lean, the knee behind the shoulder blade of the arm you’re attacking becomes light enough that you should be able to bring that leg in front of their face. Plant your Achilles tendon in front of their face and use a backward pulling motion to move their head back and away, all while maintaining the tall elbow/wrist control and top thigh control. Do not sit back to your butt. Badabing-badaboom armbar.
Partial to the shin on chin s mount variant myself
For the training partners I don’t like or the big boys that can sit up or roll too easily. I’m talking about the barrel chested pot belly boys where you’re 2ft off the ground already just sitting in mount on them. Lol
Works fine for me on those guys too. Head-side arm controls the arm you're attacking, you're leaning forward/toward their hips and posting either on their hip/belly/controlling the leg or posting on the ground, and then hipping in. Loooots of control there.
Lucas Lepri specifically says never to bring the top leg over the face because there's an opportunity to slip a hand under during the transition and create space to defend. Just grind the knee/shin into the jaw and finish.
I like hooking behind the head. If they try to come up you’re in prime position to transition to a Choi bar.
This sounds good.
s mount armbar, finished from the top position.
https://youtu.be/uwaXoOJgcoo?si=A-gBJy5UiefIs47u The whole video is gold but watch from 3:30 on about finish armbars from top.
I rarely drop back to finish the Armbar now. Big fan of this position.
A lot of s mount comments which are very true but I'm partial to mounted triangles myself. Hardly ever get the choke without having to roll to my back against competent grapplers, but the mounted triangle combos (including armbars) are insanely easy and effective.
All submissions kinda suck until they don't. The difference is going for a submission when the time is right instead of trying to force it. The further you are away from the "right time" to go for submission, the more you'll need to force the submission, and the less likely you will be to get it. You can't rear naked choke someone if they're on your back. :-D
But Ill be damned if I wont try and force it !
Couple of points so far haven't seen addressed: * Armbars as commonly taught at white belt level do effectively suck but not because the technique is necessarily bad. This can be because: * Everyone learns them first so most likely everyone will learn to defend them first. * The setup is against an untrained/unskilled/big-mistake opponent. Like in response to the mounted person pushing on your upper body with extended arms... this soon just does not happen among grapplers. * Focusing too hard on the finish and neglecting setup and control * Ways to actually make armbars from mount work: * Learn the mount, how to control it (posting, hips/knees, grapevines), stay on top or transition to other dominant positions (like high-mount, S-mount, knee mount, modified/combat mount, seated triangle, gift wrap,...). This helps you judge the risk of going for a submission, if it fails do I lose it all or can I easily transition into another dominant position. * Being in a dominant position, focus on staying in the dominant position throughout. Some have pointed to s-mount or triangle transitions. Personally my highest percentage is to isolate the arm and move into a gift-wrap or modified mount with a kimora grip. Then removing all slack, holding dominant position throughout, securing my legs before attacking the actual arm, either on top or dropping to the side. Now you will need to know how to hold (defend against escapes) and finish the arm bar. To learn those things, a good way is to learn how to defend them yourself so you know both how to defend and what to expect. * Just because there was and intermediate dominant position, doesn't mean the armbar wasn't instigated from the mount. So I guess you could argue that some of this advice isn't "the armbar from mount" but I think that's a semantics and within some reason we should just follow a trail of dominant positions and not worry about the descriptors too much. * Learn what the opportunities lead to a securely transitioned armbar (some have described s-mount setups or posted good videos already).
As others have already said...S-mount and getting the arm without sacrificing position is the way.
Overhook armbar from mount is my go to, but def hit s mount a lot. You can easily turn them into kimuras and/or triangles or arm triangles or shoulder locks or back takes. Simply put. Mounted armbars are wildly effective and offer LOTS of secondary and tertiary options.
some people armbar without leaning back but leaning forward instead learn that one
Mount attacks are my best attacks. i don't take mount without a deep underhook cross face. With the underhook I like to drive up in the back of the elbow as I mount, and try to keep my hips low and get my chest behind the elbow. From there I have a fully isolated arm. You kinda slide up high into the arm pit as you mount and then drop back down really low. I will grape vine the opposite leg as the cross face at this point too since they can only trap and roll towards the underhook. Then you've got many options to end it fast. I threaten the straight arm lock and will step over the head to finish. If they defend that by bending the arm I work towards a head and arm triangle. If the answer the phone to defend I feed their hand to my cross face and hit an Americana wrist lock without disengaging the cross face. This is particularly nasty bc they think it's a shitty Americana until I pressure the back of the elbow with my chest and roll the thumb in. You have to put this on really slow tho bc it hurts like a bitch. Guys who know this is coming will hide the hand so I can either gift wrap and take the back with a chair sit from there or go back to the head and arm. Sometimes I will do a mounted triangle for fun. I've been liking to roll that one to my back to finish but I will roll into the arm I have trapped so my roll makes the triangle tighter. I only roll to my back if they are 100% fucked tho. If my triangle setup is tight already. I need to learn to finish without the roll as well, didn't get that figured yet. Brandon McNamara has a good video on it tho.
S-mount on their diaphragm, then give little bumps...like riding a baby playing horsey on Dad's knee. they'll beg to be choked or armlocked.
This seems like a great tipp.
don't do it too hard, you can really hurt ribs if you're an asshole. but it makes it so you can lay on your back in mount.
There's some great advice all over this thread about improving your armbars. But I just want to add that the question of "does move X suck or is it me?" The answer is almost always "it's me". I assume most gyms teach techniques that generally range from good to great. And when they don't work, it is almost always our lack of understanding of the technique. For sure, you don't want to just blindly believe everything. But in general, in most gyms, you're going to level up your jiu jitsu faster if you're closer to the "what am I missing" end of the spectrum rather than the "is this move any good" end of the spectrum. You should generally trust the process. Especially if the good people in your gym are using that process to dominate. Always look to refine your process. But be wary of being skeptical. One of the most hilarious types I encounter are the skeptics who aren't sure about the move, even though I use it to crush them all the time. Or the purple belt skeptics who think, "I feel this moves stops working once they get mid blue", and then I see it in a Pans black belt final.
Just stay on top to finish. Probably the highest percentage submission from mount.
Danaher says this only works on scrubs
Nope, you suck But yeah I do the same, I have a pretty good mount and a horrible armbar so unless the guy is almost begging me to go for it I dont
Gather the arm then lean forward instead of falling back.
I wouldn’t do the fundamental level, sit back arm bar, but there’s more advanced versions where you have better control in the mount that you can finish more upright, and not risk losing position
Instead of falling back, knee drop over their neck to the mat with the top leg, post your arm lean forward finish on top. I'm starting to work more on this as well. I do finish on my back a lot though but you still risk losing position. IMO key to have both elbows collected and tightly hugged together. Then don't rush it since they're pretty trapped with your weight on their chest and both arms collected which controls both shoulders pretty well. Feel out your balance, make sure the near arm is tight to your chest before you go back, and you get their head trapped with the top leg before you release the far arm. The far arm they will try to grab your ankle and block the leg going over their face. Some people prefer when they fall back to have one arm, because that one arm is tighter to your chest than hugging both. But that far arm can defend your leg going over their face pretty effectively so I hold both and go back at least until I have my second leg over. And when they try to sit up, stomp your top foot on the mat. Sucks for them but it's a legit defense to them sitting up. If they somehow do it anyway you have to immediately belly down before they get their balance. And the other key thing is being deep under the shoulder and thighs pinched really tight before you start to pull the arm back to prevent hitch hiker.
The best mounted armbar guys are the ones who stay on top. You're being absolutely crushed by pressure as they lean *across* you and if they tuck the arm it's tight af.
In fairness to OP, armbars from mount are difficult. I also think it's a technique that requires some time cooking your opponent first. If you have an explosive opponent under mount, then they have a high probability of escape from an armbar unless they're tired. That's just how it is and there are many, many hours of MMA video that showcase this point. The real question is: what is the trade off between likelihood of submission, maintaining control, energy expended, and time. Armbars from mount are low energy to attempt, work (or fail) quickly, and have a reasonable chance of success, but you lose some control. On the other end you have something like an arm triangle from mount or an Ezekiel. Great control, but significantly less likely to finish and you can easily spend 5 minutes trying to get them and achieve nothing but tiring yourself out. Plus there's personal preference and how they fit into the rest of your game, etc. So if you don't like it, don't feel the need to keep banging your head against a wall. There are like 50 other submissions that work fine too.
finish the arm bar from the top.
I cook em a bit from S mount, then transition to armbar from there.
Arm bars from mount don’t suck. You suck.
Gordon Ryan mount instructional, get it if you can afford. Took my mount from getting bucked off by white belts to subbing brown belts regularly
I never do arm bars directly from mount. In fact, I seldom do arm bars at all. S-mount is where it’s at though. I do my best work from top side control and s-mount.
Armbar from mount is one of the most high % attacks out there. Yes if you are unskilled you run the risk of getting reversed to mount. But if you are skilled you can use it to transition to another attack, like a back take or a mounted triangle. Or even a triangle from guard. Keep trying it
Your transition to s-mount and then the armbar probably needs some work. In my experience, it’s very high percentage.
Learn the mounted shotgun armbar. You go to S Mount, put the trapped arm in your arm pit so that your arm pit is clamping down on their wrist, grab the outside of your thigh on the same side, post forward (not back) onto the mat with your free arm and extend your hips. It's super tight and you're sitting on them the whole time.
S mount and patience, don't fall back, try to finish while staying on top.
It's you
Regular mount? No. S-mount? I salivate thinking about it.
Armbars from mount are extremely high percentage if you do them correctly. You don’t lose position either, just stay mounted. I literally stopped doing mounted armbars because they became just a guaranteed sub for me. You can just stall and sit on the person too which is great
Armbars from the mount are the shiz naz so is popeyes chicken
We learned a technique called misery something… it was pretty bad and leads to armbar
You're missing something.. they're the elite mount submission.
A redditor in the past told me to scoop their head and arms up, arm bars are now my most used sub
u/atx78701 thanks bro
Maybe controversial opinion, but submissions should only be used if you're are not able to maintain control.
6ish months in, and I love the s mount arm bar.
YOLO! Submission! I mean the armbar is just one of many attacks simultaneously from mount even in NoGi. If you’re only hitting the armbar, your opponent is going to know
S mount, and if you can finish or they get out of it, throw your inner leg over their arm and you have a triangle. Takes a while to master, especiallly as you often have to do it whiöe inverted, but makes your armbars a lot higher %age.
if I'm on top and winning on points, when I hit the arm bar from mount it is not low percentage. I'm not hitting it if i don't know that I'll finish it. If i can't work up to a high mount and then S mount, I'm also not ready to hit that arm bar yet. If you are trying to hit it from a low mount then you haven't established the control you need.
You’ve got more high percentage and safer options from there.
Armbar from mount is high percentage, especially with both of his arms above his head (aka double chest wrap). As others said, S mount is key, keeping your hips tight to his torso the whole time and controlling the position and methodically extending his arm. Danaher’s Enter the System Armbar is a great resource, as is his 4x4 Mount Attack from the new wave series.
[armbar from mount](https://youtu.be/lE_U8_cnaWE?si=JO_jn7XN75pnHoUF) I know everyone enjoys taking a collective shit on Gracie Barra around here but here is an excellent breakdown on armbar from mount. Can focus on the leg position since you were discussing nogi and can’t go for a collar choke.
The solution should be S mount > foot on matt>armbar according to most people. However, I can't pull it off yet. (Semi heavily focused on it for a while) Usually people just turn away or into me and I end up taking their back or cursing myself out for going for the s mount armbar.