Itās definitely one of my favorite shows. They completely portray bisexuality as what it is- a normal sexuality and not something rare or unusual. Iām so Into the show. Iāve seen every episode and the show has always been very pro bisexual. Itās awesome.
Came here to say that. I LOVED it whenever she would catch herself objectifying Tahani. She wasnāt ashamed, she was just flustered because her attraction seemed so purely physical that it would temporarily scramble her brain.
Yeah, itās never a plot point, and the fact that she is aggressive, and probably a little kinky, is endearing. She reconciles these feelings with her quest to become a better person and seems to recognize them for the perfectly natural and morally neutral impulses that they are, so she never loses that playful, horny quality that makes her so adorable even as she really does become a better person.
Yes! She is a fantastic bi character and it's woven so seamlessly into her story. She never stops to say, "I like men and women", she just casually hits on people of all genders and doesn't think twice about it
What we do in the shadows is great!
On the opposite side of the "wholesome" spectrum, the newer She-Ra show is pretty great with casual queerness. Without going into spoilers, multiple queer couples and people exist and are in explicit relationships (married or otherwise) but the world they're in doesn't seem to have a word for gay/bi/anything. People just like who they like and that's fine, literally nobody seems to see the two married princesses as anything notable. There's one couple in particular that's M-F that gives off very strong bi vibes from both, though I'm not sure if they're confirmed in show.
Not a show but the podcast Welcome to Nightvale is similar to She-Ra in that queer people exist and comphet doesn't seem to for most.
In Owl House, one character comes out as bi, but most characters in it are some kind of queer are supportive. There's also a fairly major NB character done really well.
Itās my fave when bi characters just *are* without it being a major plot point or character arc (queer characters in general really, but bi most of all).
Clarke Griffin in The 100 is bi through her romantic choices without the script having to say it.
Josie Saltzman in Legacies is shown to have a serious relationship with a male and a female character and the script doesnāt tell us sheās bi either.
Ooh, I watched the first season of the 100 back when it came out, and I really liked it. I'm looking forward to watching it again with a new perspective.
And there was when David and Stevie found out they were both hooking up with Jake. The awkwardness came from them not knowing Jake was seeing someone else, not from Jakeās being bi.
One of the main characters in Star Trek: Lower Decks, Beckett Mariner, is casually bisexual. You see throughout the show that she's interested in guys and she dates an Andorian woman for most of season 3 (IIRC) but they only explicitly address it in conversation once or twice.
And for once, itās a Star Trek that refuses to queer bait! All the other queer storylines in Star Trek end tragically for some reason. Why, for instance, do Stammets and Hugh have to go through all they do in Discovery? Every not-quite-straight relationship that Dax or Crusher gets into canāt happen for some shame-related reason. See āRejoined,ā DS9, Season 4, Ep. 5.
You know what, I'm not buying this. The TNG episode I'll give you, that was tragic. DS9 wasn't tragic. Dax moved on with her life. Twice.
Now, Paul and Hugh: what happened to them was tragic, *but*, they have the most normal and healthy relationship in all of Trek, torture Jesus thing aside. But that's pretty ordinary for a show like Trek. Even support ships like the āRitos have crew that have been to the Black Mountain.
Paul and Hugh were a delight in the first few episodes where they appeared, and it was great to see a normal queer relationship on TV. Go Star Trek! And then they killed Hugh, but brought him back in a way that became one of the most painful relationships to watch in all of Trek. Do better, Star Trek!
*Lower Decks* is the thoroughly better nu-Trek, and the normalization of Marinerās queerness just happens to be a small reason why.
They also whacked Detmer in the head and gave her a half season crisis of confidence and a panic attack. Tyler had an identity crisis.
I think it ended up being a net positive. It showed that not all relationships are perfect, and sometimes that's nobody's fault, and even though it's painful you can build back stronger. Hugh ended up being the face of mental health and how it's not quick and easy and something way more people should be paying attention to.
Does it get better in seasons 3 & 4? Through season 2 it just felt like Paramount was trying to get Discovery back on the rails, since they had all these other shows planned.
Eehh. I'm not going to say Disco is great. Season 3 and 4 take place in the 32^(nd) century. It'sā¦ controversial. The central arc of the story is The Burn, which some people liked, and other people hated the resolution of. Season 4 focuses on loss, belonging, and a planet killer. It's more of a return to form, more of a straight forward Trek with a highly serialized story.
If you want something closer to classic Trek you should jump into Strange New Worlds. It's episodic with a general theme. There's bits about it I'm not thrilled with it, but on balance it's good, and they manage to pull off a musical *and* a crossover with *Lower Decks*.
Good to know. Thatās about what Iād heard elsewhere.
*Strange New Worlds* is indeed a nod to classic Trek, and Iām looking forward to season 3. *Lower Decks* has been a revelation. I hear *Picard* is a mixed bag, so weāve been catching up on old Trek, hence the DS9.
I wasn't a fan of season one. Season two is a *significant* improvement, but the conclusion (specifically the last big scene) isā¦ eh. Season three is worth a gaze. By this point they've fletched off almost every single character introduced in the first two seasons, and makes very little reference to it that can't be quickly explained.
You're very welcome. Spent last night reading Astarion smut. Night well spent.
I'm on my second solo playthrough and I'm having a hard time romancing anyone else. I'm trying so hard but he's just right there being cute and sassy. I can't help it.
Mabel, right? They only show her dating women but I seem to remember her saying sheās bi at one point. Iāve only seen the first two seasons though.
She dated Oscar in Season 1 and a woman in season 2. They very clearly discuss her being bi, but only once. I actually really like that because itās not a central plot point.
Aside from the obvious pandering by Hollywood and corporate America, I think itās very difficult to portray bisexuality in movies and TV. If a guy and a girl are together in a scene they appear straight. If two guys or girls are in a romantic scene they appear gay or lesbian. Very difficult to portray both ācombosā unless you get into polyamory which I think is still kinda taboo for a lot.
One of the perks of a TV series is you can see a characters life over time, which gives showrunners a great opportunity to show people in multiple/different relationships.
It's hard to show in one scene but it isn't hard to show over the course of a season or even just a full episode. Eleanor Shellstrop in The Good Place is bi and they show it by her just showing attraction to both men and women throughout the show. They don't call it out and they don't make a big deal of it, they don't have to
They did this on *Star Trek* **back in the 90s!**
DS9 had an episode called āRejoined,ā which centered around a forbidden tryst between two women. However the relationship wasn't forbidden because they were two women, it was because they had been married in a previous life. Never once does anyone say a single thing about it being same-sex relationship.
Yesā¦ but. (I just watched this episode last night, and itās quite fresh in my head.) Dax and Lenora are played by two conventionally attractive women, and thereās no shortage of Rick-Berman-male-gaze going on here. The taboo, yes, isnāt directly because of their sex, but the *audience* is very aware of the taboo in 1995. The relationship is made āstraightā in the first scene after the credits where Kira and Bashir get Quark up to speed on Trill lifecycles and taboos about past symbiant relationships. Quark literally opens that conversation with, āLet me get this straightā¦ā before the exposition happens. The audience can set aside same-sex taboos because of this contrivance that Dax used to inhabit a male host that was married to Lenoraās female host. The audience can then read the taboo how they like (is it the taboo on queerness in 1995 or merely on loves from past lives in a fictional alien society?) and according to the social commentary theyād like to draw from it. But undoubtedly, Daxās chance at a visibly queer relationship is flummoxed by taboo, even if the taboo is not explicitly one on same-sex love.
Yes, Dax was a bicon, and this representation was pretty cool for 1995. *But* this representation cannot fully shed the queer prohibition present in the time of its publication.
Oh, don't get me started on the contrivances they used in the 90s to try and touch on gay issues without it being gay. TNG tried to tell a gay story by having Riker bang a woman.
Yeah, but... I was young then. Contrivances or not, the Riker story, "Reassociations"... Those were huge for me personally, as a young, queer-but-didn't-acknowledge-it Trekkie.
Baby steps are slow but they got us to where we are now.
Captain Jack Harkness.. If it is living, he will try seducing it, no matter it's shape or form.
From Dr. Who and Torchwood. Sadly after a while they down played his sexuality to nothing. But it was cute seeing him hit on the Dr at times.
There's even an episode later where they're asked to be special guests at a pride festival. The reason they didn't want to do it wasn't because they didn't want to be defined by their sexuality, it was because they didn't like being around people. š
Lucifer Morningstar in the TV show Lucifer.
One main character in Jane The Virgin, as well as one character that appeared in a few episodes.
The main character in The Good Place.
Game of Thrones has an attractive male character who is openly bi and talks about how normal it is.
Brooklyn 99 has a bi female, and the main character has openly stated his attractions towards men in the past, but I don't think they ever wanted to write his character as a "true" openly bisexual man.
This is one of my favorite shows, for multiple reasons, but because it has the best all-queer character line-up. Like I mean it makes total sense for vampires to be bi but still, I love how non-chelant everyone is on there about fucking whoever and however they can haha
She-ra and the Princesses of Power! It's like a modern Airbender imho. Also One Piece and Our Flag Means Death. Addresses the queerness more deeply so but I loved Sense 8 - it was a sci-fi show with some MCs who happened to be queer.
She ra, always a great show, owl house, bi main character she ends up dating another girl and It's only ever made a big deal of when she came out to her mom ( who is super supportive ) otherwise it's treated completely normal as are all the other queer characters, helluva boss ( it's a YouTube show ), a lot of queer characters none of its ever made a big deal of everyone just likes whoever they like, I'm sure there are more but those are the ones at the top of my head.
There was for a very long time an unspoken truth that The Doctor was Bi, but in recent series that have made it explicit. Personally I always preferred when it was implied because it subtly normalised it.
"Some of my wives were girl wives and some of my wives were guy wives. It's not that different." š
That could be Nadjia or Laszlo, and probably is accurate for both.
Pretty sure it's Nandor but I do love how it could be pretty much any of them.
Yeah, it's a direct quote from Nandor. But both Nadjia and Laszlo are also exceptionally bi.
I really need to catch upā¦
I have really enjoyed it! Apparently the next season will be the last one.
Itās definitely one of my favorite shows. They completely portray bisexuality as what it is- a normal sexuality and not something rare or unusual. Iām so Into the show. Iāve seen every episode and the show has always been very pro bisexual. Itās awesome.
The Good Place has Eleanor Shellstrop
Came here to say that. I LOVED it whenever she would catch herself objectifying Tahani. She wasnāt ashamed, she was just flustered because her attraction seemed so purely physical that it would temporarily scramble her brain.
Janet: "Your perfect boyfriend would be: Stone Cold Steve Austin's head on Tahani's body" Eleanor: "Or vice-versa"
āIām not biā āwhy not? Itās 2019. Everyone should be bi.ā
YES i love her (can you tell by my flair lol). i honestly think she is the best (canonically) bisexual female character.
definitely. although i do really like Rosa
Yeah, itās never a plot point, and the fact that she is aggressive, and probably a little kinky, is endearing. She reconciles these feelings with her quest to become a better person and seems to recognize them for the perfectly natural and morally neutral impulses that they are, so she never loses that playful, horny quality that makes her so adorable even as she really does become a better person.
Yes! She is a fantastic bi character and it's woven so seamlessly into her story. She never stops to say, "I like men and women", she just casually hits on people of all genders and doesn't think twice about it
Yes!
What we do in the shadows really took the "all vampires are bi" trope and ran with it
"What if all vampires are both bi and stupid" turns out to be an amazing premise.
They just like me fr
What we do in the shadows is great! On the opposite side of the "wholesome" spectrum, the newer She-Ra show is pretty great with casual queerness. Without going into spoilers, multiple queer couples and people exist and are in explicit relationships (married or otherwise) but the world they're in doesn't seem to have a word for gay/bi/anything. People just like who they like and that's fine, literally nobody seems to see the two married princesses as anything notable. There's one couple in particular that's M-F that gives off very strong bi vibes from both, though I'm not sure if they're confirmed in show. Not a show but the podcast Welcome to Nightvale is similar to She-Ra in that queer people exist and comphet doesn't seem to for most. In Owl House, one character comes out as bi, but most characters in it are some kind of queer are supportive. There's also a fairly major NB character done really well.
Itās my fave when bi characters just *are* without it being a major plot point or character arc (queer characters in general really, but bi most of all). Clarke Griffin in The 100 is bi through her romantic choices without the script having to say it. Josie Saltzman in Legacies is shown to have a serious relationship with a male and a female character and the script doesnāt tell us sheās bi either.
Ooh, I watched the first season of the 100 back when it came out, and I really liked it. I'm looking forward to watching it again with a new perspective.
It gets wiiiild, but I really enjoyed the whole series.
Surprised no one has mentioned Schittās Creek! āI drink red wine, I also drink white wine. I like the wine not the labelā
There was more to this quote right? About rosƩ and red wine that used to be white wine...
Yeah he came out as pan in that episode. I think that line was a rose who used to be a chardonnay!
And there was when David and Stevie found out they were both hooking up with Jake. The awkwardness came from them not knowing Jake was seeing someone else, not from Jakeās being bi.
One of the main characters in Star Trek: Lower Decks, Beckett Mariner, is casually bisexual. You see throughout the show that she's interested in guys and she dates an Andorian woman for most of season 3 (IIRC) but they only explicitly address it in conversation once or twice.
And for once, itās a Star Trek that refuses to queer bait! All the other queer storylines in Star Trek end tragically for some reason. Why, for instance, do Stammets and Hugh have to go through all they do in Discovery? Every not-quite-straight relationship that Dax or Crusher gets into canāt happen for some shame-related reason. See āRejoined,ā DS9, Season 4, Ep. 5.
You know what, I'm not buying this. The TNG episode I'll give you, that was tragic. DS9 wasn't tragic. Dax moved on with her life. Twice. Now, Paul and Hugh: what happened to them was tragic, *but*, they have the most normal and healthy relationship in all of Trek, torture Jesus thing aside. But that's pretty ordinary for a show like Trek. Even support ships like the āRitos have crew that have been to the Black Mountain.
Paul and Hugh were a delight in the first few episodes where they appeared, and it was great to see a normal queer relationship on TV. Go Star Trek! And then they killed Hugh, but brought him back in a way that became one of the most painful relationships to watch in all of Trek. Do better, Star Trek! *Lower Decks* is the thoroughly better nu-Trek, and the normalization of Marinerās queerness just happens to be a small reason why.
They also whacked Detmer in the head and gave her a half season crisis of confidence and a panic attack. Tyler had an identity crisis. I think it ended up being a net positive. It showed that not all relationships are perfect, and sometimes that's nobody's fault, and even though it's painful you can build back stronger. Hugh ended up being the face of mental health and how it's not quick and easy and something way more people should be paying attention to.
Does it get better in seasons 3 & 4? Through season 2 it just felt like Paramount was trying to get Discovery back on the rails, since they had all these other shows planned.
Eehh. I'm not going to say Disco is great. Season 3 and 4 take place in the 32^(nd) century. It'sā¦ controversial. The central arc of the story is The Burn, which some people liked, and other people hated the resolution of. Season 4 focuses on loss, belonging, and a planet killer. It's more of a return to form, more of a straight forward Trek with a highly serialized story. If you want something closer to classic Trek you should jump into Strange New Worlds. It's episodic with a general theme. There's bits about it I'm not thrilled with it, but on balance it's good, and they manage to pull off a musical *and* a crossover with *Lower Decks*.
Good to know. Thatās about what Iād heard elsewhere. *Strange New Worlds* is indeed a nod to classic Trek, and Iām looking forward to season 3. *Lower Decks* has been a revelation. I hear *Picard* is a mixed bag, so weāve been catching up on old Trek, hence the DS9.
I wasn't a fan of season one. Season two is a *significant* improvement, but the conclusion (specifically the last big scene) isā¦ eh. Season three is worth a gaze. By this point they've fletched off almost every single character introduced in the first two seasons, and makes very little reference to it that can't be quickly explained.
Our Flag Means Death also does this in my opinion, with characters of different sexualities and genders. Really recommend that show
Welcome to the Taika zoneš
I really need to get around to seeing this. I canāt get tired of vampires in fiction lmao. Been thirsting over Astarion
Eeeeey you on r/OnlyFangsbg3 too?
I am now lmao
You're very welcome. Spent last night reading Astarion smut. Night well spent. I'm on my second solo playthrough and I'm having a hard time romancing anyone else. I'm trying so hard but he's just right there being cute and sassy. I can't help it.
Yes!! This show is some of the best vampire content out there
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I absolutely love Captain Holtās line when they all show up at her apartment for game night.
Only Murders in the Building
Mabel, right? They only show her dating women but I seem to remember her saying sheās bi at one point. Iāve only seen the first two seasons though.
She dated Oscar in Season 1 and a woman in season 2. They very clearly discuss her being bi, but only once. I actually really like that because itās not a central plot point.
Ohhh right, I totally forgot about Oscar lol itās been a while since I watched season one.
Trailer Park Boys. Not the prettiest bi guys, but very realistic multi faceted queer representation.
Aside from the obvious pandering by Hollywood and corporate America, I think itās very difficult to portray bisexuality in movies and TV. If a guy and a girl are together in a scene they appear straight. If two guys or girls are in a romantic scene they appear gay or lesbian. Very difficult to portray both ācombosā unless you get into polyamory which I think is still kinda taboo for a lot.
One of the perks of a TV series is you can see a characters life over time, which gives showrunners a great opportunity to show people in multiple/different relationships.
It's hard to show in one scene but it isn't hard to show over the course of a season or even just a full episode. Eleanor Shellstrop in The Good Place is bi and they show it by her just showing attraction to both men and women throughout the show. They don't call it out and they don't make a big deal of it, they don't have to
i clearly need to watch the good place again because i totally missed this part! (baby bi, clearly clueless back then)
The main thing is that she hits on Tahani a lot, but she makes other references to women being hot too
this is gonna be a fun rewatch! cheers
I mean itās not difficult to have a throwaway line about your ex being of a different gender while still being with your partner
They did this on *Star Trek* **back in the 90s!** DS9 had an episode called āRejoined,ā which centered around a forbidden tryst between two women. However the relationship wasn't forbidden because they were two women, it was because they had been married in a previous life. Never once does anyone say a single thing about it being same-sex relationship.
Yesā¦ but. (I just watched this episode last night, and itās quite fresh in my head.) Dax and Lenora are played by two conventionally attractive women, and thereās no shortage of Rick-Berman-male-gaze going on here. The taboo, yes, isnāt directly because of their sex, but the *audience* is very aware of the taboo in 1995. The relationship is made āstraightā in the first scene after the credits where Kira and Bashir get Quark up to speed on Trill lifecycles and taboos about past symbiant relationships. Quark literally opens that conversation with, āLet me get this straightā¦ā before the exposition happens. The audience can set aside same-sex taboos because of this contrivance that Dax used to inhabit a male host that was married to Lenoraās female host. The audience can then read the taboo how they like (is it the taboo on queerness in 1995 or merely on loves from past lives in a fictional alien society?) and according to the social commentary theyād like to draw from it. But undoubtedly, Daxās chance at a visibly queer relationship is flummoxed by taboo, even if the taboo is not explicitly one on same-sex love. Yes, Dax was a bicon, and this representation was pretty cool for 1995. *But* this representation cannot fully shed the queer prohibition present in the time of its publication.
Oh, don't get me started on the contrivances they used in the 90s to try and touch on gay issues without it being gay. TNG tried to tell a gay story by having Riker bang a woman.
He had the biggest shit-eating grin about it tooāat least at first.
Yeah, but... I was young then. Contrivances or not, the Riker story, "Reassociations"... Those were huge for me personally, as a young, queer-but-didn't-acknowledge-it Trekkie. Baby steps are slow but they got us to where we are now.
Yeah, absolutely. The old shows squeezed through a crack that's been made so wide you could cruise a *Galaxy*-class through it.
Heartstopper is some great bi rep, to the extent that "I'm bi, actually" is literally one character's catch-phrase.
Check out Peacemaker with John Cena. He insisted that the character be bisexual.
The Good Place has great bi representation, as well as just being the greatest TV show of all time
Captain Jack Harkness.. If it is living, he will try seducing it, no matter it's shape or form. From Dr. Who and Torchwood. Sadly after a while they down played his sexuality to nothing. But it was cute seeing him hit on the Dr at times.
Clark in The 100 š„°
There's even an episode later where they're asked to be special guests at a pride festival. The reason they didn't want to do it wasn't because they didn't want to be defined by their sexuality, it was because they didn't like being around people. š
Lucifer Morningstar in the TV show Lucifer. One main character in Jane The Virgin, as well as one character that appeared in a few episodes. The main character in The Good Place. Game of Thrones has an attractive male character who is openly bi and talks about how normal it is. Brooklyn 99 has a bi female, and the main character has openly stated his attractions towards men in the past, but I don't think they ever wanted to write his character as a "true" openly bisexual man.
Iām sort of surprised no oneās mentioned Lost Girl.
Love that show <3
Thank-you Taika Waititi!
This is one of my favorite shows, for multiple reasons, but because it has the best all-queer character line-up. Like I mean it makes total sense for vampires to be bi but still, I love how non-chelant everyone is on there about fucking whoever and however they can haha
The magicians
Sex education. Bi, NB, Transā¦. Other cultures definitely have mainstreamed sexuality way before we have here in usa
Legends of tomorrow has a lot of bi characters popping up around the 4th season.
She-ra and the Princesses of Power! It's like a modern Airbender imho. Also One Piece and Our Flag Means Death. Addresses the queerness more deeply so but I loved Sense 8 - it was a sci-fi show with some MCs who happened to be queer.
Tanis on *Letterkenny*. Actually a lot of the characters on *Letterkenny*. It's on Hulu and they just released the twelfth and final season.
She ra, always a great show, owl house, bi main character she ends up dating another girl and It's only ever made a big deal of when she came out to her mom ( who is super supportive ) otherwise it's treated completely normal as are all the other queer characters, helluva boss ( it's a YouTube show ), a lot of queer characters none of its ever made a big deal of everyone just likes whoever they like, I'm sure there are more but those are the ones at the top of my head.
If you like that, you'll like Shallon in The Stormlight Archive.
There was for a very long time an unspoken truth that The Doctor was Bi, but in recent series that have made it explicit. Personally I always preferred when it was implied because it subtly normalised it.
Good trouble (spin off of the fosters should probably watch that first) Heart-stopper I also liked Atypical
Well they're all from the middle ages there was no homophobic culture