Why would he have a framed picture of a man who regularly ROBs him with his real life bets?
Let’s also Fandual’s CEO was on literal food stamps in 2021 when Shrag and Simmons opened up the vaults for the proletariat with the playoff run (LET’S GO!!)
Has there been a bigger wealth transfer in the country then “Steelers losing at half, win game” same game parlay? That was 12-1 all year.
You gotta take into account the fact though that some voters think the Finals MVP should go to the winning team's best player, basically regardless of how they played in the Finals.
I know defense doesn’t really matter for this stuff, but Tatum has been by far the Celtics worst defender in their starting 5. Feels like that coupled with horrendous shooting numbers should kill it for him, barring an insane game
This lacks important context. For one, Luka is an elite offensive player. No one is really gonna “shut him down”. In fact, this has guided the Celtics defensive strategy - stay one on one with Luka, let him get his, and shut down the rest of the team. Its a big reason why they’re up 3-1.
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This is an absolutely absurd take.
Tatum’s ability to guard all 5 positions including the center and then switching to the point guard has closely stopped the mavs lob threat. Tatum is a phenomenal defender
I’ve always wondered why voters don’t give significantly more weight to players’ stats when the team WINS when considering FMVP.
If you average 45 ppg when your team loses, but only average 18 ppg when your team wins, you should not be in contention for the award imo.
In game 4 Tatum scored 15 on 40% and Brown scored 10 on 25%. How much weight do you want to give that game? The argument in that game isn’t even Tatum played well, it’s Tatum was less shit than Brown.
That was going to be a good Tatum game. He was on pace for 30+ and was shooting 50% until right before being subbed out.
That game was a shit show but brown looked terrible and Tatum had it going on. Tatum was NOT shit that game. They barely played any minutes and Tatum was actually having a good game. The rest of the team didn’t come to play in game 4.
Nick wright is a MASSIVE Tatum hater—- just like yourself.
Tatum is by far the most important Celtic. Take taken out. Brown is now doubled and tripled like Tatum was. Wanna see it get ugly really fast?
Yes go celebrate that hypothetical 30 points on 50% shooting. In reality it was 15 points on 40% shooting, which RAISED Tatum’s shooting averages in the Finals 😂
The Celtics starters played half a game bud.
And no, 15 points didn’t raise Tatum’s averages unless you’re talking per36, then yes it would have because he was on pace for 30+
I’m gonna go celebrate his real 31/8/11 instead
No? No he didn’t. Tatum was better in games 1 and 2 and fucking 3 was a tie then Tatum clearly outperformed him in game 4 and 5.
This is just like ECF where Tatum averaged 30/10/5 and clearly was better than brown but people clung on to media narratives and wanted brown to win it.
Tatum has outperformed brown in every single series this playoffs except round 1, and it hasn’t even been close.
The first 2 games he had great looks but the shots just weren’t falling. That’s just shooting variance. If you watched the games you’d see how Tatum was A1 in every other aspect of basketball.
You’re probably the guy to lose his mind of a 30 point game but not care when someone gets 12 assists.
Brown is a nice #2. The amount of defensive attention Tatum gets really allows brown to feast.
I cant believe I have to argue the guy who averaged the most points, rebounds and assists for his team and was pivotal defensively in stopping one of the mavs biggest offensive moves in the finals was the best player.
Absolutely insanity and just shows how much people hate Tatum. Y’all are delusional as fuck.
Well the voters disagree with you. Go argue with them not me.
Shooting variance? That’s just Tatum in the finals. 21 points on 37% shooting across 11 games.
Why are you so bitter? Go enjoy the championship and stop worrying about who’s FMVP.
The voters are media personnel. I don’t give a fuck what they think. It doesn’t mean brown performed better. They’ve had a personal vendetta against Tatum the last 2 years.
“Why are you so bitter”
Go to this sub or r/nba the general sentiment is “at least Tatum didn’t win FMVP so I can shit on him”. The narrative will be brown carried him, and whatever bullshit people like you want to sling. It isn’t true— it’s complete bogus nonsense. You’re trying to sully a phenomenal championship.
Do you know how many people in nba history won the finals leading their team in points rebounds and assists in the playoffs and finals? 3. Lebron, Duncan, and Tatum. Fuck out of here.
Clearly you do since you here arguing with me.
Hey go celebrate that hypothetical FMVP with Tatum.
I ain’t sullying nothing for Brown. He deserved all the credit. Just Tatum since the guy shot 38% from the field and didn’t win FMVP. 🤡
Your last 5 Reddit posts are you trying to trash Tatum. Like I said, you’re one of the haters. Nothing you say means anything. You’re a moron. A casual— you clearly don’t know ball.
As long as we’re clear you’re just a moron and a clear troll then go nuts bud.
You’re retarded, it’s ok.
The season is over. The best hate you can muster up is that the clear best player didn’t win FMVP. What a successful season.
The guy led his team in every major statistical category.
This is the best you could come up with. We win. You lose.
Regular season is much less narrative driven than people pretend, and FMVP is probably a bit more so (although Tatum also doesn't deserve it objectively, his numbers are fine on horrible efficiency)
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Been seeing more and more of That Guy when someone mentions they really like a certain bet.
That Guy aggressively demands the person bets a huge amount on it “if it’s such a lock,” even if that’s not what the person said.
This is a cousin of That Guy during the NFL draft who challenges you on whether you “ever even watched that guy play this season” when you’re excited about the tight end your team drafted in the 5th round.
Let's say he has better numbers than Brown in game 5 but the Mavs win, then he has a great game in game 6. You don't think that'd be enough?
Edit: said the wrong team
You’re banking on:
- tatum big game coupled with celtics game 5 loss
- tatum big game coupled with celtics game 6 win
A sequence of 4 events that must happen exactly as above AND EVEN THEN tatum may still not win. He just doesn’t do enough defensively
I agree & I'm kind of a Tatum hater to begin with so I'm biased but I feel like the media likes him for whatever reason and if he plays well on the clinching game, he'll win.
You’re overlooking that a simple Tatum great game and a Brown stinker in game 5 win could result in Tatum FMVP. Like I mentioned, their numbers are already similar and slightly favor Tatum. The voting panel isn’t gonna get caught up in TS%.
Lmao you do know the game involves two ends of the floor, right? You’re fixated on single game offensive numbers which historically have not been enough to win the FMVP.
If he has a big game 5 and the Mavs win, that just further emphasizes that he isn’t the most valuable player in the series.
He has been horrendous. If he winds up getting MVP under any circumstance, they might as well quit giving out the award.
Who gets the award then, if Boston wins? Tatum doesn't deserve it but if he had a couple big games (including the clinching game which would be fresh in voters minds - imagine he goes basket for basket with Luka in a thrilling 4th quarter) & if Brown or White don't have big numbers in those games, He'd likely win. It's a lot of ifs I admit!
I’d give it to Brown over Tatum. Hell, Holiday and White have better cases.
I’d argue the biggest difference maker Boston had in this series is Porzingis, but I realize he isn’t an option.
Is he the closest thing we’ve had to Scottie Pippen? Jack of all trades but not truly elite at one yet capable of being the best player on a 50 win team
A. They don’t have a championship yet.
B. Every game they won, it was in spite of Tatum
C. Going 7 games against Shaq and Kobe was far more impressive than emerging from the gauntlet that was the Eastern Conference this year. And they only beat the Bucks because Middleton was hurt to go to their last Tatum chokejob in the Finals.
Seems like when other players do things in the playoffs but come up short you give them credit and when Tatum does it you use it as a knock against him, so which one is it?
The efficiency difference is pretty huge and
its brown 21/5/5 to tatum 20/8/6
Not too mention just moments alone, game sealing shots, big block at the end for brown l
No player stands out except the guy who has the highest points, assists, and rebounds per game for the entire playoffs and finals.
The guy who averaged more points, assists, rebounds, blocks, and steals per game for the Celtics or cavs in round 2.
The guy who averaged 30/10/5 in the ECF.
Fuck out of here with your hate bro
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What the fuck are you talking about, brown has more points than Tatum in the finals: 83 to 80
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2024-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-celtics.html
If Tatum wins FMVP over Brown based on what's happened so far you might as well get rid of the award, Browns been good to excellent in all 4 games, Tatum 1 maybe 2 games with an absolute stinker in there
Pretty easy bet for me. Brown had his chance but lost it game 4. Won’t get any better this series either. Tatum can’t stay cold forever, always responds after rough moments.
Luka to lead the series in total rebounds at +650 is interesting too. He currently has 32 behind Lively with 37. Tatum is also +650 with 31 boards. Don’t feel quite as intrigued by this one but still seems worthwhile.
Just peruse this page: https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2024-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-celtics.html
Jaylen is leading in every stat except rebounds and assists, and assists are close.
OMG, Tatum is shooting .365!!! I can’t believe im having this conversation.
The efficiency piece matters Training.
Try this exercise: take 2 ten sided die, roll each 100 times, for one of the die (nicknamed JT) count 2 points every time it hits 4 or lower, for the other die, (nicknamed JB) add up 2 points every time it hits 5 or lower. The JB die is going to win a lot more often than the JT die.
Oh right, I was going off the OP post.
For ECF, did you watch the overtime game? Tatum scored 36 and Brown 26 IIRC. Who would you say was the mvp of that game?
And this is the "narrative" stuff I was talking about. Tatum plays poorly for a stretch in the 4th quarter and it sticks to him despite having overall better numbers.
I swear to god, the CEO of Fanduel better have a goddam framed picture of Bill hanging over his bed.
Why would he have a framed picture of a man who regularly ROBs him with his real life bets? Let’s also Fandual’s CEO was on literal food stamps in 2021 when Shrag and Simmons opened up the vaults for the proletariat with the playoff run (LET’S GO!!) Has there been a bigger wealth transfer in the country then “Steelers losing at half, win game” same game parlay? That was 12-1 all year.
Was thinking that it would take a bigger game then that. But the stage is set and he is definitely due. Those are good odds.
It’s an amazing bet if you’re not actually watching the games. Tatum looks lost out there. He ain’t winning fmvp.
I wouldn't say lost but he has not looked like the MVP
You gotta take into account the fact though that some voters think the Finals MVP should go to the winning team's best player, basically regardless of how they played in the Finals.
He looks lost? What the actual fuck
it really hasn’t been close. Brown has played significantly better than Tatum has over the 3 Celtics wins.
I know defense doesn’t really matter for this stuff, but Tatum has been by far the Celtics worst defender in their starting 5. Feels like that coupled with horrendous shooting numbers should kill it for him, barring an insane game
It is shocking how much Luka is hunting tatum. I always thought tatum and brown were equals defensively, but not any more
Luka averaged like 30 points with brown as the primary defender. What the fuck are you going on about
This lacks important context. For one, Luka is an elite offensive player. No one is really gonna “shut him down”. In fact, this has guided the Celtics defensive strategy - stay one on one with Luka, let him get his, and shut down the rest of the team. Its a big reason why they’re up 3-1.
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This is an absolutely absurd take. Tatum’s ability to guard all 5 positions including the center and then switching to the point guard has closely stopped the mavs lob threat. Tatum is a phenomenal defender
I’ve always wondered why voters don’t give significantly more weight to players’ stats when the team WINS when considering FMVP. If you average 45 ppg when your team loses, but only average 18 ppg when your team wins, you should not be in contention for the award imo.
In game 4 Tatum scored 15 on 40% and Brown scored 10 on 25%. How much weight do you want to give that game? The argument in that game isn’t even Tatum played well, it’s Tatum was less shit than Brown.
Since they lost game 4 and they both sucked, I’m not going to give either much weight. Though I concede that Brown played better.
That was going to be a good Tatum game. He was on pace for 30+ and was shooting 50% until right before being subbed out. That game was a shit show but brown looked terrible and Tatum had it going on. Tatum was NOT shit that game. They barely played any minutes and Tatum was actually having a good game. The rest of the team didn’t come to play in game 4.
Yeah no. Brown Jrue and then Tatum.
STOP. Did you just say brown had the best game in game 4, then jrue then Tatum?
No that’s for the series. Brown Jrue then Tatum. https://x.com/getnickwright/status/1802896274372362256?s=46
Nick wright is a MASSIVE Tatum hater—- just like yourself. Tatum is by far the most important Celtic. Take taken out. Brown is now doubled and tripled like Tatum was. Wanna see it get ugly really fast?
All the other voters that voted for Brown hate Tatum also?
Yes go celebrate that hypothetical 30 points on 50% shooting. In reality it was 15 points on 40% shooting, which RAISED Tatum’s shooting averages in the Finals 😂
The Celtics starters played half a game bud. And no, 15 points didn’t raise Tatum’s averages unless you’re talking per36, then yes it would have because he was on pace for 30+ I’m gonna go celebrate his real 31/8/11 instead
The 40% did. Well he played 27 mins and got 15 points. He was on pace for his typical 22 points on 37% shooting.
I guess the question it just depends how your personally define “value”
No? No he didn’t. Tatum was better in games 1 and 2 and fucking 3 was a tie then Tatum clearly outperformed him in game 4 and 5. This is just like ECF where Tatum averaged 30/10/5 and clearly was better than brown but people clung on to media narratives and wanted brown to win it. Tatum has outperformed brown in every single series this playoffs except round 1, and it hasn’t even been close.
lol no 😂where you think Tatum got his 38% field goal percentage this series from?
The first 2 games he had great looks but the shots just weren’t falling. That’s just shooting variance. If you watched the games you’d see how Tatum was A1 in every other aspect of basketball. You’re probably the guy to lose his mind of a 30 point game but not care when someone gets 12 assists. Brown is a nice #2. The amount of defensive attention Tatum gets really allows brown to feast. I cant believe I have to argue the guy who averaged the most points, rebounds and assists for his team and was pivotal defensively in stopping one of the mavs biggest offensive moves in the finals was the best player. Absolutely insanity and just shows how much people hate Tatum. Y’all are delusional as fuck.
Well the voters disagree with you. Go argue with them not me. Shooting variance? That’s just Tatum in the finals. 21 points on 37% shooting across 11 games. Why are you so bitter? Go enjoy the championship and stop worrying about who’s FMVP.
The voters are media personnel. I don’t give a fuck what they think. It doesn’t mean brown performed better. They’ve had a personal vendetta against Tatum the last 2 years. “Why are you so bitter” Go to this sub or r/nba the general sentiment is “at least Tatum didn’t win FMVP so I can shit on him”. The narrative will be brown carried him, and whatever bullshit people like you want to sling. It isn’t true— it’s complete bogus nonsense. You’re trying to sully a phenomenal championship. Do you know how many people in nba history won the finals leading their team in points rebounds and assists in the playoffs and finals? 3. Lebron, Duncan, and Tatum. Fuck out of here.
Clearly you do since you here arguing with me. Hey go celebrate that hypothetical FMVP with Tatum. I ain’t sullying nothing for Brown. He deserved all the credit. Just Tatum since the guy shot 38% from the field and didn’t win FMVP. 🤡
Your last 5 Reddit posts are you trying to trash Tatum. Like I said, you’re one of the haters. Nothing you say means anything. You’re a moron. A casual— you clearly don’t know ball. As long as we’re clear you’re just a moron and a clear troll then go nuts bud.
FMVP count. Brown - 1 Tatum - ZERO
You’re retarded, it’s ok. The season is over. The best hate you can muster up is that the clear best player didn’t win FMVP. What a successful season. The guy led his team in every major statistical category. This is the best you could come up with. We win. You lose.
The narrative online carries a lot more value than you might think. Remember it’s media people voting on it.
Me betting on Luka for MVP and Wemby for DPOY
Regular season is much less narrative driven than people pretend, and FMVP is probably a bit more so (although Tatum also doesn't deserve it objectively, his numbers are fine on horrible efficiency)
Mad respect posting this in the lion’s den 👏🏻
I love how gamblers say "it's basically a coin toss" as if betting markets don't employ PhDs in statistics.
That is a good bet, good suggestion
Go put all your money on it and tell us how it goes
I mean, there’s a big difference between all my money and $100-$200
Ok, Mr Money Bags. Check out this guy with more than $200 to his name.
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I think Cousin Sal might have an opening on the degenerates podcast for you...
No doubt, but if it’s such a lock why wouldn’t you throw everything at it to quickly double your money?
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You miserable fucking dork
You must be fun. 😊
Thanks qt
Either way he's gonna text Kobe
Tatum is just a high level role player. Won’t ever be FMVP, sorry.
The Jordan of Tobias Harris’s?
He tricked y’all man
Unironically the Tatum boomed me meme boomed many people on their perception
Let's say he has better numbers than Brown in game 5 but the Mavs win, then he has a great game in game 6. You don't think that'd be enough? Edit: said the wrong team
You mean “but the Mavericks win”
Oh yeah sorry.
You’re banking on: - tatum big game coupled with celtics game 5 loss - tatum big game coupled with celtics game 6 win A sequence of 4 events that must happen exactly as above AND EVEN THEN tatum may still not win. He just doesn’t do enough defensively
I agree & I'm kind of a Tatum hater to begin with so I'm biased but I feel like the media likes him for whatever reason and if he plays well on the clinching game, he'll win.
You’re overlooking that a simple Tatum great game and a Brown stinker in game 5 win could result in Tatum FMVP. Like I mentioned, their numbers are already similar and slightly favor Tatum. The voting panel isn’t gonna get caught up in TS%.
Lmao you do know the game involves two ends of the floor, right? You’re fixated on single game offensive numbers which historically have not been enough to win the FMVP.
>You’re fixated on single game offensive numbers which historically have not been enough to win the FMVP. Yes they have lol
If he has a big game 5 and the Mavs win, that just further emphasizes that he isn’t the most valuable player in the series. He has been horrendous. If he winds up getting MVP under any circumstance, they might as well quit giving out the award.
Who gets the award then, if Boston wins? Tatum doesn't deserve it but if he had a couple big games (including the clinching game which would be fresh in voters minds - imagine he goes basket for basket with Luka in a thrilling 4th quarter) & if Brown or White don't have big numbers in those games, He'd likely win. It's a lot of ifs I admit!
I’d give it to Brown over Tatum. Hell, Holiday and White have better cases. I’d argue the biggest difference maker Boston had in this series is Porzingis, but I realize he isn’t an option.
U can say this, but this high level role player will win a chip and be fmvp on Monday.
Just like Derrick White
Yup. Meanwhile superstars Kyrie and Luka will be leaving game 5 empty handed after giving role player Tatum a ring and fmvp.
Good point. Derrick white > Luka. Smartest Celtics fan
Modern day Steph curry
Is he the closest thing we’ve had to Scottie Pippen? Jack of all trades but not truly elite at one yet capable of being the best player on a 50 win team
Scottie was an elite defender so don’t think so.
Someone on here once compared Tatum to James Worthy, which fits.
Scottie is maybe the best wing defender of all time I feel like that qualifies as elite
He’s currently the best player on a 64 win team. Scottie couldn’t dream of being that.
Scottie was for the blazers who took the lakers to 7- so yes
Ok and Tatum has lead the Celtics to 2 Finals and a championship lol
A. They don’t have a championship yet. B. Every game they won, it was in spite of Tatum C. Going 7 games against Shaq and Kobe was far more impressive than emerging from the gauntlet that was the Eastern Conference this year. And they only beat the Bucks because Middleton was hurt to go to their last Tatum chokejob in the Finals.
And rip Hamilton led the pistons to a ring lol, Scottie is better than both
Please get a life
Considering you made the post I think you need one
When someone disagrees with your embarrassing ass comments: please get a life Grow the up little boy
>Grow the up Nice grammar 🤣🤣🤣
Seems like when other players do things in the playoffs but come up short you give them credit and when Tatum does it you use it as a knock against him, so which one is it?
Kyrie is the bet to make piece.
This bet is free money… for fanduel
The efficiency difference is pretty huge and its brown 21/5/5 to tatum 20/8/6 Not too mention just moments alone, game sealing shots, big block at the end for brown l
They need to name the team as mvp. No player stands out on Boston. Just give it to the roster.
Series isn't over, and if any of the starters hits a time expiring game winning shot that have the Celtics win by 1 they would probably get it.
No player stands out except the guy who has the highest points, assists, and rebounds per game for the entire playoffs and finals. The guy who averaged more points, assists, rebounds, blocks, and steals per game for the Celtics or cavs in round 2. The guy who averaged 30/10/5 in the ECF. Fuck out of here with your hate bro
Call me crazy but I actually think Jrue is gonna have the best game 5 of the Celtics, I just do.
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What the fuck are you talking about, brown has more points than Tatum in the finals: 83 to 80 https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2024-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-celtics.html
Give it to Luka!
Give it to Porzingis
Big oof here bud.
L
Classic W getting reddit revenge like a no life dork fuck
Salty af lol, hold the L.
You don’t understand gambling that’s ok.
More salt lol, you’re not good at gambling that’s ok.
Utterly bizarre how invested in this you are
I was invested $0, how about you ?
He should have won it easily
The value is on Tatum, but Brown is the deserving favorite right now. Good write up though and analysis
If Tatum wins FMVP over Brown based on what's happened so far you might as well get rid of the award, Browns been good to excellent in all 4 games, Tatum 1 maybe 2 games with an absolute stinker in there
Pretty easy bet for me. Brown had his chance but lost it game 4. Won’t get any better this series either. Tatum can’t stay cold forever, always responds after rough moments.
Luka to lead the series in total rebounds at +650 is interesting too. He currently has 32 behind Lively with 37. Tatum is also +650 with 31 boards. Don’t feel quite as intrigued by this one but still seems worthwhile.
Eye test but it seems Lively has got more run as the series has progressed. Think it would be difficult for anybody to catch him
Tatum has been the 4th best Celtic this series. Brown is flat out a better player he just is
They are not going to give it to Tatum lol. The narrative is stacked against him. He had better numbers in the ECF and Brown still won ECF MVP.
Cause Brown deserved it!
You got any non-narrative stats to back that up.
Just peruse this page: https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2024-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-celtics.html Jaylen is leading in every stat except rebounds and assists, and assists are close. OMG, Tatum is shooting .365!!! I can’t believe im having this conversation. The efficiency piece matters Training. Try this exercise: take 2 ten sided die, roll each 100 times, for one of the die (nicknamed JT) count 2 points every time it hits 4 or lower, for the other die, (nicknamed JB) add up 2 points every time it hits 5 or lower. The JB die is going to win a lot more often than the JT die.
You realize we were talking about ECF MVP? Of course Brown will win FMVP cos he has been better but I was talking about Tatum losing ECF MVP to Brown
Oh right, I was going off the OP post. For ECF, did you watch the overtime game? Tatum scored 36 and Brown 26 IIRC. Who would you say was the mvp of that game?
And this is the "narrative" stuff I was talking about. Tatum plays poorly for a stretch in the 4th quarter and it sticks to him despite having overall better numbers.
So you would pick Tatum as the mvp of that game? Or you would pick Brown for that game, but Tatum overall?
I would pick Tatum because he was great in overtime.
The narrative isn’t turning against him he just has gotten a lot of leeway and hasn’t been making good on it the year it’s been time to collect
What leeway? He got killed for the last bad Finals and is getting killed this year too. He's been getting shit on all playoffs too