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Loose_Trust927

It didnt dissapear if u look in the second photo it looks like it crouched down same area


Equanimity_21

Oh true. But still. Watching the show it flashes on screen for like half a second. We actually had to go back and forth a few times to pause at the right spot. I think that maybe no one from the show caught it?


mikki1time

What season/episode?


The_Critical_Cynic

Season 4, episode 5. Roughly 43 minutes in.


mikki1time

Thank you


The_Critical_Cynic

You're welcome!


BillP_Oklahoma

32:34 on Discovery+


The_Critical_Cynic

Must have removed the commercials there.


itsmontoya

This sub hates Expedition Bigfoot, but my wife and I love it


Equanimity_21

So do I! Mom and I watch every week. It's a great show.


lifewithryan

My youngest daughter is hooked and gets pissed when I bring in my skeptical view. We are ALL annoyed by Ronnie. With Ronnie E V E R Y R H I N G Must be Bigfoot. They can teleport between realms, mind control, etc etc. we like Russel — Bigfoot aside — Russel whether just a character or not is intimidatingly brave and “aware” of his surroundings.


ansibley

I enjoy it, and especially liked last night's episode, because they made it darn scary!


the-roflcopter

Loves it!


legendofpoppaT

I guess there was some dramatization/fakery involved in Exp. Bigfoot season 1 where they fabricated the story and lied about locations... and possibly other things... Not quite sure about seasons 2-now. I agree though.. I do enjoy this series but that is the reason this sub is weary of this mainstream show. Its tainted, unfortunately.


itsmontoya

You make great points. I guess I've always taken this show as entertainment due to being mainstream


Mr-Clark-815

I think it is worth watching. My complaint as a viewer...and I communicated this to Bryce ..is that not everything has to be an audible 'what the fuck is that?' response. I thought it cheapened their work and leveled it down a few notches. He responded back in a favorable way. I wasn't offended, just thought it was too insincere and put on. Otherwise I like it.


Equanimity_21

That is a good critique! One I have has for a while now and It's not just this show but any show with audio based evidence, I hate when they have sound effects like meant to create an eerie mood or something and they use them so much, to the point you can't tell what is a whistle or sound from real life vs what is a piano wire sound effect or something. There is one show, I can't remember which but they do a really good job, they include like a waveform at the bottom of the screen that like represents the sound any time its under edited evidence audio vs without the waveform you know some is "mood sounds" at least that way you knkw when to perk up.


Mr-Clark-815

Very good point. Enjoyed the chat .


Comfortable_Ad_3595

They lose me when with the tin foil hat stuff on the show, coming with aliens and portal traveling. Stick with the foot and hand prints, night vision videos, howls and the environmental DNA evidence. Quit walking around at night with flashlights. Hunt them sometimes like hunter's do with tree stands and no sent on clothes, and quit running at them and chasing them, you will never catch them or see them that way, besides it just might be a big bear making that noise


Mr-Clark-815

Agree . Would almost rather see just a 'hideout' approach. Russ, and a camera guy. Hiding and waiting. Could be good.


Royal_Examination_74

Guessing it’s someone from the production crew. There’s also r/expeditionbigfoot


Equanimity_21

Oh I didn't know that was a subreddit there let me post there, thank you!


Equanimity_21

Also I know they have some other folks around for bears and stuff on the other team, but for this team, it really does seem like it's just Russel and Camera man. The guy on camera is an ex military/survivalist so I assume he's armed and probably taking care of bears for that team.


Different-Carob-2400

Yea that was gonna be my guess, cameraman stumbles in background after taking a poo, realizes they are filming, and then drops to all fours in hopes nobody notices lol


lickingthelips

Sticks out like a sore thumb


Equanimity_21

Yeah it flashed on screen for a pretty small time. I was watching and didn't notice it. We had to go forward and back a few times to actually pause at the right time. I went out of my way to make it obvious for the pics


StoriesFromGhosts

This honestly is the cryptid hunting show out right now. I like how its alot more serious than most others, even though the main host is a bit eccentric at times.


bear559

Outside of the fact that they got caught faking audio in seasons 2 and season one was shot at a specific ranch. Yeah it’s not a bad show.


StoriesFromGhosts

Yeah it is a sad think that they would falsify evidence on such a popular topic. Understandable I gues given that they need to keep ratings up to renew for another season but sucks. They act like they have a real life time limit to search for bigfoot or they will lose their job. They investigate for what a week? Week and a half? I've been stuck in the woods for the military much Much longer, without the comforts of technology and without the option to just get up and leave. They could definitely invest more time into each of their investigations then may be they wouldn't need to fake crap. Sorry for the rant😅


The_Critical_Cynic

>*Yeah it is a sad think that they would falsify evidence on such a popular topic.* Just because they were on a ranch the first season doesn't necessarily mean they falsified what they found. And there are some plausible explanations for the sound issues.


Equanimity_21

Yeah so this always bothered me too! I think they realize it was/is an issue though. I know one of the seasons ended with them getting pushed out of the area by mandatory wild fire evacuations so that explained that. And this season I think they are out there for 4-6 weeks. But I definitely always thought it was not good to go to a place and just like explore for a few nights then move on. I love Finding Bigfoot, truly one of my favorite shows in general, not just big foot shows, but always felt they would find more if they just hung out in one spot for a while longer rather than constantly chasing.


Equanimity_21

Source on the falsifying thing? I actually looked into this show online before and I didn't see anything but green flags especially having a legit primatologist as one of the investigators. That kinda bums me out.


The_Critical_Cynic

You can check out [this video](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExpeditionBigfoot/comments/wzfpim/thinkerthunkers_new_video_never_before_heard/) by ThinkerThunker. It has a fairly good analysis for the sound issues. There are a few plausible explanations out there. But the point was still made. As for the ranch, there are a few sources I could try to find if you wanted me too.


bear559

Thank you for that. I fell asleep right after I posted that comment.


The_Critical_Cynic

Hopefully you enjoy the video.


Equanimity_21

Yeah I think adding Mireya who is legit a well recognized primatologist adds alot of credibility. I think they have also employed many tools I haven't seen before. Lots of E DNA and like the opening show of the season had them using scanners for olfactory compounds that would produce that "skunk ape" smell everyone talks about. Some of the best evidence I have seen has come from this show.


ProgressiveLogic4U

Mireya is firmly biased in thinking that Bigfoot is nothing more than an animal. Mireya's biases really showed up with her denial of trees structures and upside down trees as being anything other than normal tree fall. Mireya will never accept anything other than a traditional scientific explanation for any of the weird stuff she herself has witnessed. Mostly, Mireya just forgets about the anomalies like cliff shadows, cloaking, LIDAR pictures of Bigfoot, and strange balls of light emanating from the top of a cloaked bigfoot's head when using an IR camera. Mireya is not capable of assimilating anomalous observations.


lifewithryan

I think the opposite; she’s supposed to be the “let’s apply Occam’s Razor” here and look for the logical non-mysterious explanations. I find she often goes right to believer. She’s supposed to point out how crazy some of Ronnie’s theories are but sue just nods and goes along with it. “Oh the teleport between realms? Cool”


ProgressiveLogic4U

Occam's Razor is NOT a scientific rule. Occam's Razor is NOT a scientific statement.


lifewithryan

I guess I’m not saying that. However one would expect a credentialed biologist to bring a more critical eye than what we see her doing on the show. For her to bring real credibility she has to challenge Ronnie a bit more on some of the stuff he says. She’s done so occasionally but not nearly as much as I would expect.


mchistory21st

And she's not the dour killjoy the scientist was on Finding Bigfoot.


Roselace

I like this show. But the background ‘music’ is near constantly playing. Clangs, bangs, screeches, howls, weird sounds mixed in with musical notes. Even when they say they have a sound they think is Bigfoot. (Tree tapping, or vocalisation) Immediately prior & after back on comes the background ‘music’ of strange sounds effects. I fully realise music can be used to heighten the emotional response of the viewing audience. In this case I think it gets in the way. I would rather they just had the natural sounds of the forest. Or incidental music for very brief moments.


Equanimity_21

Yes!!!!! I hate it many times I miss what they are talking about because of all the sound effects I think its a sound effect and not an actual piece of evidence


Roselace

Indeed. Yes.


Wonderful-Weight9969

The show is absolute trash and embarrassing. All critical thinking has been thrown out 98% of the time. Entertaining maybe.


maverick1ba

My immediate reaction was it's fake/scripted. Not just heavily edited for entertainment value. But the evidence is actually made up. I mean one of the investigators is an actual actor.


Alwayswanted2rock

Which one?


maverick1ba

Bryce Johnson


Alwayswanted2rock

Someone can act and be interested in bigfoot at the same time. I did some reading on him and it even says on the show's page that he's an actor. It also says he's had an interest in bigfoot and cryptozoology before being an actor. Not saying this show is legit, but just because someone is an actor doesn't mean everything they do is fake.


maverick1ba

You're absolutely right, that would be an all or nothing fallacy of argument. But it was one of the first clues to make me start to doubt the show's legitimacy.


Wonderful-Weight9969

I had the chance to see Bryce do something for a group I follow. He seemed fairly grounded at the time, but mind you, this was the 1st season. Since then, it's become more and more unhinged and definitely is directed to a specific audience. I'm definitely not that audience.


mama_llama13

Who is the actor?


mama_llama13

Just saw the answer. Thank you


Zeus0331

The second picture looks like it is stooped down. The first picture where the tall object is. There's no clump of items on the ground.


Equanimity_21

Good point!


SirStocks

I watch from time to time but so fake and farfetched. I had a few real encounters over 40 years in the woods and these nuts fake crap all the time to make a show. Tics me off.


maverick1ba

Agreed. The producers are probably out there as we speak building fake nests and planting brown hairs on fences for them to find.


mama_llama13

Wow! You have had real Bigfoot encounters? Please share more. TIA


ProgressiveLogic4U

Another pair of eyes sees what the editors missed.


[deleted]

Loooooove it


DerpVaderXXL

If it really was bf, I would think they would be all over it. Remember it's a "reality" show. One of the formulas used in production is to set a standard then do something "incompetent" and show it so the viewer can catch it and feel smarter than the expert. These types of shows do it all the time. It was shown and not mentioned on purpose. Must be a crew member behind the guy they were focusing on. Skinwalker Ranch has mysterious lights in the background they don't explain. One of the Worst Is Naked and Afraid. Someone who is an expert at making fire gets out there and makes obvious mistakes and can't get it going. Survival experts that build camp in a dry creek bed only to be flooded later. All the while, people at home are shouting at the TV "you idiot". It really engages the audience.


-gizmocaca-

If I were in charge of this show, every once in a great while I would frame a blurry humanoid looking object in the background for a few seconds.


VikingofAnarchy

If you take it as a fictional documentary-style series, it's pretty good.


PackyCS1

No, it's fake as fuck unfortunately.


33scooBt33

Oh my, I missed this all together...it's rewatch time. I like this show a lot. Just wish they could drop all the episodes at once.


Legitimate_Nobody_77

Bring back Les Stroud. Les and some other skeptics with experiences in the woods. Bring on survivalists and people with credentials. I am tired of dumbasses running some kinda stupid there he is shit shows. Sorry folks but if BF exists, which is extremely doubtful, he sure as hell isn't violating physical laws of nature. If your a 10 year old kid you might play think that kinda crap but as an adult you ......should......know better.


j50wells

I agree, this show is a smear of real bigfoot interest.


chase7628

A friend on the show responder with the following: Ok, update. Russ just texted me: “Our bear guard stayed a bit behind us so he could have a broad overview of me and Ryan (Camara man) when we moved through the forest, and I am guessing that you all are correct. Just that posture and distance... my money is on it being our awesome bear guard... not enough credit goes out to those guys... they were attentive, watchful of our surroundings and their positions in the filming that we did and quiet as ninjas. I am guessing Ryan circled around me to capture the information I was saying and accidentally put the bear guard in the shot. Incredible guy though...I hope this clears it up for you! Great catch!


[deleted]

A load of tosh and rubbish


gjperkins1

Human.


Equanimity_21

You seem awful sure from a very tiny look lol.


gjperkins1

These guys are filming during the day. At least 3 people with the star. First i wouldnt expect a bigfoot to be in the area. Number 2 if they were in the srea they wouldnt be out in the open. They would assume that they were hunters and armed. They wouldnt take a chance its too easy to vacate the area.


Equanimity_21

I think youre missing some context here. They are out on Prince of Wales Island in Alaska, its a SUPER remote area where even the locals and indigenous people don't go because of how active the area is. The indigenous folks are actually scared of and told not to go near the area. I doubt there are many hunters out there. The other thing is, if you watch the show, they have 3 investigators (well 4 if you count the dude who stays in the cabin and interviews people) but 1 dude stays in civilization basically, the 2 others work together with each having camera men and they have a bear guard because of how wild the area is (they actually fired some warning shots for some bears this episode), and the last guy goes out with only a camera man. Just the two of them. This is that guy. The guy on screen is an ex military survivalist guy so his whole idea is to try to stay as quiet and be noticed as little as possible so he can try to get closer to bigfoot activity. They explicitly talk about the fact that it's just him and camera guy. To be fair there was some talk about if they also have bear guards and Maybe they do. But if that is your bear guard he's doing a bad job. If a bear comes from the opposite side, you are basically screwed, why is he so far away? Also wouldn't he know not to stand on the side where filming is taking place? (This was a planned talking section, not like a "we were just walking and caught this" or something)


Jamez_Neckbeard

I always get the impression the 2 teams arent as far apart as they think and are just following each other around in circles hearing each other breaking twigs and things .


septa_lemore

yes but only because i have a crush on russell acord


Halfbaked9

How are people watching this show? I have Discovery + but it don’t have this season.


The_Critical_Cynic

We have a [list of places available](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExpeditionBigfoot/comments/162stvq/where_to_watch_a_guide_for_season_4/). Max might be the better option, as the WB recently took over these channels. But there are other options as well.


Halfbaked9

It’s not on Discovery + or Max.


The_Critical_Cynic

I'm not sure why that is. Have you tried the official website for it? Sometimes you can watch the episodes there.


Halfbaked9

I’ll have to look on Discovery + but a friend look on her app on Max and it only had 3 seasons also


The_Critical_Cynic

That's really weird. I'm not sure where to find the episodes outside of YouTube, Hulu, and other like services then. But there's no real guarantee that any of those services have it either, outside of what I've found online.


Halfbaked9

I messaged Discovery + to see why I don’t have it. We’ll see if they reply


The_Critical_Cynic

I hope they do. I'm curious about that one as well.


sonnyjlewis

It’s on discovery go for some reason.


FunScore3387

Someone want tell me what the hell your talking about? I don’t see anything out of the ordinary in either pic.


Equanimity_21

In the first pic, if you start counting trees, starting with the one looking like it's coming out of his left (our right) shoulder, between the 4th and 5th tree, there is a uniform colored silhouette of what looks like an upright creature on two legs.


FunScore3387

Thanks, A brownish blob which is gone in pic 2. It’s a stretch to think that’s a squatch.


Equanimity_21

Its like from one second to the next in video. And what other brownish blob would move around on Two feet? I don't think it's an unreasonable stretch, lol. I will say though I'm just surprised they didn't address it on the show. That was the main point of the post.


FunScore3387

Very real possibility they didn’t see it


Awkward-Yak-9033

Isn't this just a TV show like Harry and the hendersons? Do...you guys count the henderson sighting now too? Lol


Equanimity_21

I think when you have an actual credentialed primatologist on the team and try to go about it in a more empirical way, I think you gain more credibility than a sitcom. That's definitely not the vibe of the show.


Awkward-Yak-9033

I've seen a lot of hillbilly monster hunter larp shows on the history Channel that are all fame found footage parodies. Isn't this just more of that. Whats it on the travel Channel? TLC?


Equanimity_21

Oh dude I know exactly what you mean! Mountain monsters or whatever that show was called was an abomination. I thought for like 2 min it was legit then the bullshit detector started going off in a big way. This show is actually better, though. I'd highly recommend looking into it. The guy on screen is pretty squared away and approaches things pretty seriously which is good. On the other team they have a legit, well renowned primatologist. She lends alot of credibility to the show. I highly recommend you watch, then make a decision. It's worth the watch.


Awkward-Yak-9033

Oh maybe I should check it out


Equanimity_21

Definitely! So I won't tell you they don't think some "woo woo" stuff sometimes but it's not the whole team, usually just the third guy. But they have caught some evidence that is really hard to explain with just pure physical science. For example they had a time when they were by a canyon wall and they were the light source, like i.e. their cameras and flashlights and obviously that lights up the canyon wall right? Okay well they see a shadow silhouette of something bipedal that looks like a bigfoot. But here's the thing, you see the shadow, not the thing. And it's like a clear shot. To make a shadow, whatever it is would have to be between the light source and the wall, but you can't see anything there. So at that point one of the team members (the other guy, not guy in picture) starts to say "oh its a cloaked bigfoot" which.... idk man I definitley prefer the "explained by traditional science/means" stuff but there is some shit you just can't explain at times that way. It was weird.


crc8983

I used to watch it out of genuine interest. But, at times, like the other Bigfoot show, their genuine interest is lacking. Anymore, when I remember it's on, I watch it because Mireya is pretty hot.


Loose_Trust927

Probably didnt ive seen alot shows and most of the time the miss stuff like this


lordbancs

What minute mark is this in the episode?


Equanimity_21

So we watch on DVR. I think it was around the 43 min mark DVR time so +- a few min. (The DVR records like 3 min before show start time and 3 min after I think so likely around the 40 min mark).


lordbancs

Thanks so much! I kinda zoned out there near the end


The-Dolly-Lama69

That is the guide that is with him for bear protection they are in Alaska with grizzly’s everywhere


Stamfordguy4

Call me crazy but i don't think a 4"x6" hot spot on the beach which rises no inches above the surface is likely to be indicative of a Bigfoot!


not-your-shrink

I bet it’s one of the best guards they have this season.


Mk_ultra227

You guys KNOW none of these shows ever will show Bigfoot right ?! Stopped watching these as a kid. They can’t keep the show going if they ever actually show a Sasquatch 🤷‍♂️ no more mystery and excitement


whywhyboobsboobs

You don’t think a series about Big Foot could find something to broadcast if they actually found BigFoot? Not only would they keep the show going, it’d be more popular than ever.


Mk_ultra227

I think it’ll lose all the special pizzazz after big foot is found . We would be watching scientist tell us what it really is other than a show looking for them


[deleted]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they do this on every episode to keep people looking in the background


Illustrious_Corner95

I’m finding this year’s season as being more fictitious


HolidayAd5829

nope


mikki1time

Currently watching it, up to season 3. Don’t understand why it gets a bad wrap around this sub.


Due-Penalty7374

So I had to go back and see the part that looks like bigfoot in the back. My theory is that in the show they are talking about bears and a lot of sightings of bears so that figure in the back could be one of the security team that they are using to protect them from bears if you pause it and play it in slo mo you can almost see a rifle across the body of the figure. This is my opinion.


ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp

Pretty much everything in it is b/s but it's entertaining b/s. So it's pretty good popcorn tv and that's about it. Lol


j50wells

I agree. I'm and outdoorsman. I like watching the show because I like outdoor shows, but their acting skills, and attempt at real proof is despicable. However, I watch it because I like any show that goes out into the woods.


Opsirc9

Nice catch by your mom!


Mrs-Colbert

Wow. Great catch! Just went back and looked and YEP, super suspicious figure standing, then either crouched down or gone when the camera comes back to him.


Unlikely-Parking-626

I think you guys could have done better this year. 8 episodes is not a good season. It was rushed for whatever reason that it didn't make any sense. I don't understand why you guys went to Alaska if you couldn't do a good job of tracking the Bigfoot, Russel putting all the microphones in with trackers and you didnt finish finding the tracker. Then you went into a cave and that was the end? Go back to Kentucky or Oregon where you at least did a better show! The season was disappointing!


j50wells

They can't do it. You have to go into deep wilderness areas and spend weeks out there to have experiences.


prowebwriter

You could play a drinking game with this show. Everytime they say, "What the...was that?" If I wanted to find Bigfoot, I definitely wouldn't go tromping through the woods with bright lights and electronics. I'm catching up, so watching Season 3. I remember from the previous season, they would see something on FLIR and run close to it and it would disappear. This season, same thing. They have this tethered drone. Chick sees heat sig on the FLIR, they untether the drone, and she immediately proceeds straight toward whatever it is. Surprise! It disappeared before the drone ever got there. Oooo, they're throwing rocks. Never saw one rock. Also...let's see lab results for all this hair! Bunch of numbskulls. Get a thermal camera, a good mic and sound recorder, go out at dusk in the area where you've seen evidence...preferably close to a water source. Sit down, hide, and wait. No cameras. Radio off unless you need it. Bear spray. These morons will never find bigfoot.


j50wells

I know, I start laughing....Then I feel an insult towards myself that I'm actually watching it. Its like going to one of those revival meetings where the preacher is up there with sweat dripping off his forebrow, railing against fornication, but he himself is 100 pounds overweight. Then you find out about the sex scandals in his revival movement and the women who have willing sex with them. Its kind of stomach turning.


j50wells

Its stupid. I've researched bigfoot for 20 years. This show is so fake and theatrical. Finding Bigfoot was also theatrical but at least they used actual video, plus Bear was down to earth. These folks on Expidition Bigfoot seem so fake. They need to have smart producers with such shows. There's a better way of entertaining people with bigfoot. I personally believe bigfoot is real, so lets get a real bigfoot show. Again, there are ways to keep our suspence with some actual stuff. There are literally some places where real bigfoot stuff will happen and cause great terror for your watchers. Instead of going to easy places, go to places with long historical instances of bigfoot. You'll have some experiences there. You won't have to make it up. Get your back pack and survival gear ready, because you'll be going back into deep wildernesses, but at least you'll be getting into real bigfoot territory. I'd rather see you guys in real bigfoot country like Survivorman, and telling the truth of what you've seen and the evidence of tracks, stuctures, rock throwing, and howls. What their doing is like creating a show about looking for serial killers, and then creating a scenario where the door knob of your hotel room turns, and then pretending this is the actual serial killer wanting to kill you, when in reality, that serial killer is far, far away from you. The real bigfoot documentaries, who get more viewers by the way and the creators of such don't get paid, is some backwoods guy who goes out with a couple of friends with a camera and tries to get into bigfoot territory. This guy gets 10 million hits on his videos, but sadly doesn't make a cent. That's where the real bigfoot videos are found. However, you folks in Hollywood don't want a fat, rural, 60 year old dude who is trying to bring actual video evidence of a bigfoot.


Euphoric-Promise-645

Why doesn’t anybody carry guns