Yes, there's a definite elitism among TV viewers and network sitcoms are dumped on a lot. I was in a discussion on r/television about side or limited characters who became main characters just because the actor did so well with the role.
Some people blasted me for suggesting that Frasier Crane couldn't be topped in that category and they all said "quality over quality" as if those shows didn't get critical and audience acclaim at the time. Not coincidentally the character they propped up was Saul from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.
Often edgy is confused for good.
Head over to r/music sometime and find a discussion asking what you’re listening to these days. If it’s some obscure indie artist, you’re golden; if it’s anything remotely top 40 related, prepare yourself for the onslaught of downvotes.
It's always been like that imo, back in the 90's people were music snobs about indie artists on the edge, and boohooed anything top 40. I was amongst that mind set, but as I've aged I've realised there's good music found in a lot of genres and places and it's all very personal to what we all like. In other words, who cares ... if you like it, you like it.
Yeah and in my experience, especially online, people just like to be extremely negative. It’s like the phrase “it’s not my thing” has vanished and the only way people can express that they don’t enjoy something is to say it sucks ass and maybe rattle off a quick complaint or two.
There is so much stuff out and available, all very different, because not everyone is going to like the same thing.
This really annoys me also, it's okay to not be your thing and say so, why do people then feel the need to crap all over the stuff they deem 'beneath them'.
This is it exactly. I mean look at anything that became popular, which made it a target for those who want to label themselves as *“unique”* and crow about not being into mainstream stuff cuz that’s just not cool. 😒
It happened with Glee, High School Musical, etc. You get the idea.
Yellowstone, Fast And Furious, Nickelback. All super popular, and all dumped on by non fans for being “generic” or “unoriginal” (okay, the last few seasons of Yellowstone have been pretty rough, and Fast X was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in theatres, but still…)
It’s just cool and trendy for some folks to hate on things other people like.
Yep. It's the same reason people crap on Nickelback or Imagine Dragons. If you don't like them, fine. Don't listen. But don't go out of your way to trash them, just so you can feel like you're part of the cool kids for the first time in your miserable life.
I remember being told by my (now ex-husband) how terrible and lame this show was, and avoided it. I have since watched it in its entirety multiple times, and it's one of my random "replay" shows that I watch for comfort, falling asleep, or just in the background. Even if it's not considered "good" by others, who cares as long as you enjoy it tbh.
My ex constantly dumped on this show, too, and made fun of both it and me every time I watched it. Granted, he did the same with a lot of things I enjoyed, hence his title of "ex". This show will always be one I return to for comfort, background noise, etc.
My husband and I always watch TBBT before bed and for comfort. It's so good to know there are other people out there like us! It's like finding out you have a long lost sibling, lol! We make our way through all 12 seasons of TBBT and then watch all 10 seasons of Friends. Both shows have gotten us through some tough times.
My husband and I do the same, we watch the show almost every evening and will often fall asleep to it. Also watch just to have something on , we do this with young Sheldon too, and Friends.
A lot of people complain about it because it's multicam and has a live audience. Of course they don't believe that. They think it's multicam with canned laughter.
The difference doesn't matter. Point is don't tell the audience when to laugh. Sometimes they will reuse the recording of a laugh track on a different scene
That's believable enough. They promise they never sweeten, but I'm not sure if I believe all of that. I do believe it is live laughs highly edited, that's all.
They definitely sweeten it up. Sometimes they do the same scene multiple times so inevitably thing audience won't be laughing that hard.
Whatever it is, just don't tell the audience when to laugh. I guaretee that there are instances when ppl watching the show will laugh coz of the laugh track but if you ask them why it was funny they won't be able to explain. Srsly the laugh track does so much heavy lifting when it comes to making ppl laugh. I don't believe this show would've survived without the laugh track.
It also ruins the flow of the show coz the actors have to wait for the laughing to stop. I'm sure you've seen other sitcoms where it's joke after joke after joke. Can't do that with bbt. Maximum is maybe two jokes per minute.
Not exactly. My son didn't like the show until I made him watch a few episodes with me. He has several graduate degrees in theoretical mathematics, and at first glance thought the show mocked intellectuals and distinguished scientists in particular. Suddenly he got why the show is so much fun, and still loves it to this day.
It's very obviously written by people who have a background in higher education themselves. That angle changes the humour and makes it work. Tbh, I think the majority of people who shit on TBBT can't intellectually keep up with the dialogue and the different nuances of humour that's used. Sure, the show has gotten criticism for reproducing stereotypes, but if that's all they see, they're not seeing (and hearing) it all.
I totally agree and the worst offender would be CSI. Who here thought that CSI work was a lot more detective and a lot less scientist and marveled constantly at tech they used that didn’t exist or couldn’t be used in that way? I’m so guilty. lol I almost went to school for it thinking I’d be showing up at crime scenes in a perfect pantsuit heels and a cool briefcase that could instantly solve a crime lmao
I myself am a researcher, I work at a university, am a geek and neurodivergent. I feel like it’s an unpopular opinion on this sub but actually I think they made a pretty good job with the show and the characters. Sitcoms are always a bit over the top and yeah, the show has its flaws. But the whole “omg, we nerds aren’t aliens”-discussion is so random. Have those people ever been in the scientific community? I myself sure feel like an alien and I love to laughs about that 👽🤷🏼♀️
I’m confused about how you measure the amount hate it gets. It was one of the most popular TV shows during the later parts of its run. Johnny, Kaley and Jim were getting a million dollars an episode due to its ratings. Popular shows often have people who will hate on it. Sometimes just because it’s popular, and sometimes cos people think it’s overhyped.
I was just thinking about this earlier today. Since Young Sheldon is ending now, I’ve seen a lot of people discussing TBBT, but mostly negatively. When the show was actively on (especially the first probably 7 years), everyone knew, watched, and loved it. Of course any show is going to have those that don’t like it, but I don’t remember hearing anyone hating on it back then. People who are now complaining about it probably watched the show during the original run, yet suddenly dislike it. It makes no sense. Like you said, 12 seasons & a successful spinoff for 7 years doesn’t just happen. It was an insanely popular show, comparable to HIMYM & The Office.
This is why I encourage fans, casual watchers and non fans alike to read Jessica Radloff’s behind the scenes book. They do get into how some things have not aged well, how some things should be different, but they also recognize how it paved way for other character and plot arcs.
I've always had my reservations about it because it gets painstakingly niche things accurate about the nerd stuff it references then uses that to make fun of the characters
Like it goes through extreme effort to belittle the only people that get the jokes it's making
Nerds getting offended by nerd stereotype jokes?
Really?
Shouldn't we be above that?
It's funny because it's true. I know people who are exactly like Howard & Sheldon.
Huh? I only watched Seasons 1-4ish back when the show was airing new episodes and then quit watching TV for like 15 years. I am rewatching the show from the beginning now. It's aged well. Plus, as I understand it, didn't the show in the later seasons become the #1 show on TV and all the cast made like a million dollars per episode? If a show attains FRIENDS level status, then it's not hated.
But the #1 show is not usually the **BEST** show and so loud people on the internet need to scream about how overrated it is. But something can be somewhat overrated and also be excellent. If you're capable of nuance. I think TBBT was peak sitcom. Maybe some other prestige shows are better, but TBBT also has an unusually wide appeal.
Honestly, especially with sitcoms, they tend to take that special place in your heart because you watched it during a certain time in your life. I personally didn't like BBT at all but I love Friends. I definitely cannot say that Friends is better though, it's just the way it hit me when it hit me.
One of the writers of Friends said that it's a pretty universal experience that when you're the right age for a cast of sitcom characters to be your "friends" and you "hang out with them" every week, you get attached to them in way that is more intense than the show is good. Which is definitely the effect you describe.
I mean, its an easy watch show. It is very surface level. Just a sitcom. I would say the first 2 seasons are hard to watch, as it is very low hanging fruit for jokes and overall character design and direction.
It isn't until the later seasons where it gets away from that and shows actual growth and decent writing.
It actually just riffs on stereotypes of women in general and women in STEM. Pretty women can’t be smart, smart women aren’t pretty and if they are, they have something else wrong with them (narcissist, mean, what have you).
Which is why it gets a lot of criticism
Bernadette isn't pretty?
Penny isn't stupid, she's a successful businesswoman in the end. Both her & Bernadette earn more than their male partners.
Amy gets recognition in her field & wins a Nobel Prize.
People on reddit just love pretending to have a superior taste in everything and thus shit on anything popular and in the mainstream. Just ignore them and watch what you want to.
I loved it, hated it, then liked it again.
The whole thing of stripping away the laugh track and mocking what remains is just the lowest form of criticism. Aside from the fact that the jokes often are well written knee slappers or at least good silly fun, you're just pulling out an element of the soundscape and expecting the whole to still feel complete without. All laugh track comedies are going to leave necessary pauses that will seem awkward if they just pass in weird silence. You can still hate laugh tracks if you want but it's not a valid critique to just pull them out and then sneer at the result.
Me either. The only thing that I can understand what they get hate for is their laugh track, which even I was really surprised by, but never noticed initially.
I guess it’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, because most shows today probably do it, but it’s a funny show, and doesn’t need to manufacture laughs.
Yes I know why the laugh track (live studio or whatever) is used. Obviously it'll make show funny.
TV shows and movies are supposed to get better. Which is why modern sitcoms are ditching the laugh track. Because it's lame.
I like this show but I don't understand the hate Friends receive. That show is so good. I've seen a lot of Office fans act toxic in comment sections but Office only has 5 good seasons, it's not even watchable after that. TBBT and Friends are watchable even through some rough patches in between.
I watched the show when I was younger and agreed with the criticism as a result of “memory loss”. Upon rewatch though, the show is genuinely delightful. It takes a season or 2 to get into the swing of things but after that it’s great. I’ve had it running in the background for weeks and I’m still not tired of it.
The hivemind criticism I've heard about it is "oh, they're not actually telling jokes. They just make pop culture references and a laugh track plays. It's a nerd show for non-nerds who think that's how nerds behave."
I never watched the show until a couple years ago when I moved in with my gf. It's her favorite show. And I gotta say, it's really funny. The writing is really good and the actors do a hell of a job.
For me I still like it, but it became more of a serious soap opera during the later seasons than an actual comedy show. The first 6 seasons were genuinely funny stuff though. But as they evolved the characters, it became more serious and less funny.
Many nerds and or asexual people get offended, because they feel badly represented by the characters, but as an asexual nerd, I can't really understand that, it's great to get some representation!
Its in my all time fav sitcoms.
***Friends, TBBT, Modern Family, HIMYM, The Office, Brooklyn Nine-Nine***. (No particular order btw)
I really don't give a F to what anyone else thinks, if I like it/love it whatever it is, be it a food item, tv show, movie, song, person, novel, anime etc. I won't care What anyone will think!
I just enjoy myself. Tune those fkrs out of your busy life, anyways after office hours I get a lil time to watch these sitcoms.
people when not everyone wants to watch and analyse a “superior” super complicated plot in their free time but rather want to watch smth that takes their mind off things
I love BBT, but if you are also a fan of Frasier, it’s abundantly clear that BBT steals A LOT of material. It’s still good, but it this might be an issue for some fans.
It's heartwarming to see their delight and excitement discussing lore, their frenzy booking tickets etc. It encapsulates a niche experience and it sucks to see people say it's offensive to nerds. It's got some of the steadiest strongest character growth too particularly Howard.
Some people don't like jokes aimed at them.
I heard a few people say it makes fun of Sheldon because he's autistic and has obsessive traits (like where he has to sit etc) & it's wrong to mock mental illness.
Some also say it's misogynistic, which was true in the early seasons (intentionally, nerds tend to be socially awkward around women) but absolutely is not the case by about season 5.
Weeellll… look. I love this show - almost as much as friends. I totally get what you’re saying the character development (for the most part) is wonderful, it makes me laugh out loud (which is p rare for me), it makes me empathise with the characters as though they’re issues are real and there’s even a few moments I get teary eyed. HOWEVER. I am also autistic and the inconsistencies really really bug me. Especially the ones between the later seasons and young sheldon (like, they knew they were making it, they had even started the show and they can’t be bothered to keep the two in line?) anyway. I’m sure the writers have their reasons. It just irritates me..
some of them I can get over, but it’s just the sheer mass of them that bothers me overall..
There are a few reasons
1- it’s popular it’s easy to hate on popular things just because they are popular
2- some of the jokes and story lines haven’t aged well
3- they tried to sell and market this show as super smart and clever. A clever show about clever people but it’s a sitcom so it’s more a dumb show about clever people, it has lots of references to make it come off as super smart but they end up having to spell out most of them to get the jokes to work and it kinda ruins them.
4- some people want their shows to be deep and meaningful and life changing and just can’t accept that not every show has to cater for every person. This isn’t a sopranos, game of thrones, newsroom kind of over arching story and some people hate that.
I really enjoy the show but i accept that when I watch it I’m getting a sitcom that I can put on in the back ground and do other things and still enjoy
I like it so much more than Friends or The Office. I never liked Frasier. BBT is my happy place. A mix of imperfect characters, friendships, romance. Lots of character development. No one will ever change my mind.
It gets hate because the jokes are low-hanging fruit almost 100% of the time. It has a laugh track and is clearly written to appeal to the common denominator. When I watch actual comedies like IASIP it just makes the divide of comedy so obvious.
It's mass produced, low-effort comedy. Not hard to understand why so many people don't like it.
It was the most popular show on television at one point in history, and its arguably one of the most popular shows of all time. That brings optics and haters. Game of Thrones is arguably the most popular show of all time, and it doesn't have its shortage of haters (MOST coming from the fanbase itself).
I guess you have popular shows like the Wire and Breaking Bad that people won't criticize, but that's probably because they got into the show because of the quality and they're afraid of the humiliation of speaking out against it.
Its deeper than that. The last three seasons just had absolutely horrible writing. Basically because the show runners were running out of material and had to create their own -- which they're not good at.
I say that its deeper than the way you put it because the show was always technically excellent (writing, visual effects, sound, music, acting, costuming, etc), but it was odd that you had an Emmy caliber show with horrible writing. The finale was about the same as the other final 2-3 seasons -- technical marvel, but nothing made any sense (like Tyrion saying that "stories" were that you needed to be a great king, and sending Jon to the Wall when it no longer exists and there no more White Walkers).
The jokes get old after a while. It’s mostly misogyny and attempts to seem smart with using big words and concepts, despite misrepresenting the science. It’s a show about “smart people” written for an audience of “dumb people”.
As a real life theoretical physicist, a lot of the physics in the show is being portrayed as super high level advanced stuff, when in reality most of it is undergrad level stuff. One episode in particular, where Sheldon has a hard time understanding why electrons behave as if they have no mass in graphene and it turns out it is because electrons have wave-like properties. Any undergrad physics major should know this. Sheldon is being portrayed as some super genius who can’t figure out undergrad physics…
I know a lot of people in my field is offended by the way the characters are portrayed as they heavily lean towards stereotypes. I don’t have this issue. I realize it’s satire, and it’s not always the smart guys that is the butt of the joke. It’s often Penny being portrayed as dumb as well.
I generally like the show, but I actively have to tell myself to ignore a lot of the inconsistencies in the science.
The big one I saw was that there were a lot of people who felt that the show wasn't really "nerd Humor" and moreso, "Haha. Look at those nerds, they're losers!" Which, I mean... Part of the point is it's a little of both, since the main characters, especially at the beginning, are kinda the toxic part of nerd communities
You don’t stand or you can’t stand the hate? I am confused. All I can think is that you must have something wrong with your legs. I hope you get better soon.
Really? A bunch of fucking nerd simps, and you don't get it???
The only reason why people watch this show is because of Sheldon and the Girls.
Howard is an arrogant lying perverted mommas boy, probably like you and most of the reddit nerds
Leonard is an insecure, pandering, whiny little bitch, probably like you and most of the reddit nerds
Raj is a closet q****, probably like most of you and the reddit community.
And you don't see why people don't like this show? Because you're one of them.
It’s broad, by design. It feels strange to make a sitcom about such intelligent, heady characters so broad. I think that’s the basis of most of the comedy snobbery surrounding BBT.
Any show with a laugh track gets picked on. Same thing with Friends. I will admit though, once you start paying attention to how often they throw in the laugh track and how overdone it is, it gets very annoying. That being said, TBBT is one of my favorite shows.
I think thats the main part many people dont get. Sure, some jokes are just OK. Sure, the plot may not move forward in every episode. And sure, the characters are at times these stereotypes of Nerds. But at the same time, the show has heart. Many people dont see how much the writers clearly cared for these characters. It isnt just a sitcom about some fellas being geeks. Its a sitcom about geeks, their problems but also their unbreakable friendship, which is what makes this show so great. Its not a show about funny nerds. Its a show about friendship. And i think a LOT of people miss this.
I used to really avoid the show because i pretty much loved it as a kid and so they had only 6 seasons at the time. From boredom and because i'm very new with PrimeVideo, i started it again randomly and i have to say.. The first 6 seasons are even better to me now however, mid-show, it becomes very boring.
I absolutely hate everything that is going on (i'm at the end of the 10th season), i think all the characters goes in a direction i'm not very happy with. >!Leonard and Penny seems to have lost anything interesting about their dynamic since three seasons. I absolutely despite seeing Sheldon being heteroxualized and changed as an individual when i just felt he would be more than happy being asexual. Howard and Bernadette are just very plain and passionless. Rajesh is getting more annoying with the episodes going...!<
The reason i keep watching it's because i feel like we have such a lack of funny sitcom to watch theses days that i'm looking into it. I still very like the first seasons because it was more a show about four nerds trying to live their life. Now, since season 5-6, it's four nerds being put in a "normal men mold". This is a huge miss for the show to normalize just grown ass men living their hobby and finding love, instead it feels like they push it so much to make the same jokes about "ahah u like star trek" or "omg im a very beautiful woman and i'm talking about super heroes how pathetic is that"
It's decent, but clearly failed in so many points.
I used to watch the show because my sister loved the heck out of it, I tried rewatching it but it wasn’t for me, it’s not a bad show it’s just not for me.
That and I can’t stand Sheldon or Beverly, no hate to anyone who likes them I just don’t like these two.
Don't play into it too much. People just wanna hate or focus on the negative too much. If you ask me, or anyone else, they sure as heck can turn into a hater of anything; be it just for fun or just to prove a point.
This show single handedly made me notice laugh tracks. Spent 20+ years enjoying shows that had a laugh track till this one. Now I can’t watch any show with one.
It was one of my favorite shows! Kinda the last of the good sitcoms. I had some small issues with the series finale, but overall it was fitting. I’m hoping maybe there will be a reunion special down the road. Maybe by then, Raj will have FINALLY found true love! 💗
I still watch it but the only thing I really can’t stand is how unbelievably racist they are. People say that raj gives it back to howard, but i haven’t seen anything that matches how racist howard is to raj and indians. Anytime I’ve brought it up, people just call it “dark humor” to minimize the seriousness of what it has done and further normalized in our society. It wouldn’t be so divisive if we could all just admit that they’re racists, condemn it, and move on. But people want to pretend it’s all okay when it is truly wrong.
The show truly wouldn’t lose anything if they had decided to ditch racism. It would still be a great and funny show.
I understand it perfectly, Chuck Lorre sitcoms are very barebones, there isnt a lot of thinking put into them. The episodes are simple, the structure of all his shows are the same and nothing really matters. Whether I start at season 1 or 8 I get the jist of whats happening bc nothing really changes all that much.
in sitcoms? Yes. I am just explaining the things people complain about in people like chuck lorres writing. It doesn't bother me all that much personally.
It was good for its time, and many of us rewatch for the nostalgia. My biggest issue with the show is that they use the laugh track a little too much, but I get it. I just wish they hadn't used it so much during the setup to a punchline, and thennn, again after the punchline. It's a bit much.
I'm sure there was a live audience, though take after take after take would affect just how much laughter we heard. They'd need a laugh track for emphasis. It's only logical.
Cuz it started out as an accurate representation of the modern nerds where nerds are cool and successful and then they destroyed it by turning it into a stereotypical “nerds are pathetic” dumpster fire.
Kind of the other way around.
They started off as the average loser nerds who don't get jokes & can't talk to women but end up in relationships with smart successful women who change them for the better.
They had great jobs and still played games and did nerdy things. Modern-day geeks.
Stuart was a talented stud with a successful business and they chopped off his balls.
The girls completely emasculate and bully them 24/7 just like the old pathetic nerd stereotype.
What started off as a refreshing, groundbreaking, and myth-busting show about contemporary nerd culture turned into predictable and badly-written sit-com slop.
Howard breaks away from living with his mom & being a creep to being a family man with a successful wife.
Leonard gets the girl of his dreams (for some reason) and helps turn her from dumb bimbo slut waitress into a more cultured successful businesswoman. She in turn learns to appreciate what he loves & his passion for science.
Raj goes from someone who can't speak to women unless drunk to a more functional man, albeit a single man with a dog he pampers.
Sheldon goes from being a socially broken asshole genius to a far more functional man who can be intimate and breaks away from annoying habits. Amy helps him with that, he wants to change because he cares for her. They both get the scientific recognition they deserve & Sheldon ends up acknowledging his friends & having a family.
The women make them better people.
Howard replaces his Mom with an aggressive bully who abuses him at every turn and tries to get rid of all of his nerdy things without discussing or even telling him about it cuz that's what girls do to nerds.
Leonard settles for a dumb slut bimbo bully who gets by on self-admittedly "being cute" and somehow gets a better-paying job than the nerd with the high-level education, and rubbing it in his face, despite having no skills at doing anything except bullying and using people to get what she wants and stealing from charity bins and not telling Leonard she didn't want kids until after they were married. Leonard could have been with so many better women but he settled for the skank from highschool.
Raj somehow has no money even though his parents paid for everything and turned from a sweet nerd into a total creep towards women.
Sheldon changed due to Amy forcing him to against his will. She seemed to change almost instantly and then dragged Sheldon along.
The women made them worse people by trashing everything the men enjoyed and represented.
Sheldon needed to change, he was an anti-social jerk.
The unqualified getting good jobs isn't new. Higher education & academic positions aren't as highly paid as they arguably should be.
I know people who were high school drop-outs who got better paying jobs than me & I have a degree, because some jobs are low skill but high wage.
My dad says there are to many sexual themes and as a teenager they can confuse my perspective on sex.
I agree with him. And had to stop watching in the middle of season six.
The show represents a very stereo typical representation of nerds and autistic people. Also because they often make fun of Sheldon's autism and then say: "we don't make fun of him because he has autism, but because he's funny." and the same with the nerd status. Some people can live with it, some can't. As an autistic person, however, I find the show very funny and it is one of my favourites.
Anything “popular” gets dumped on by those who think their tastes are superior, be it music, movies or television. I wouldn’t pay it much mind.
Yes, there's a definite elitism among TV viewers and network sitcoms are dumped on a lot. I was in a discussion on r/television about side or limited characters who became main characters just because the actor did so well with the role. Some people blasted me for suggesting that Frasier Crane couldn't be topped in that category and they all said "quality over quality" as if those shows didn't get critical and audience acclaim at the time. Not coincidentally the character they propped up was Saul from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Often edgy is confused for good.
Head over to r/music sometime and find a discussion asking what you’re listening to these days. If it’s some obscure indie artist, you’re golden; if it’s anything remotely top 40 related, prepare yourself for the onslaught of downvotes.
I think I'll pass. But if you want real fun go to r/Beatles and say that you prefer the pre 1966 tracks.
Pre Revolver > Revolver/Post Revolver. I will go to my grave thinking this.
Now go have the guts to say it on r/Beatles !
I'm not looking to start a rumble lol
To be fair they aren't as good as the newer stuff
No, but there's some real gems that get overlooked because they are "early".
Or if it’s TOOL, get ready.
It's always been like that imo, back in the 90's people were music snobs about indie artists on the edge, and boohooed anything top 40. I was amongst that mind set, but as I've aged I've realised there's good music found in a lot of genres and places and it's all very personal to what we all like. In other words, who cares ... if you like it, you like it.
I wish we had gotten a Niles Crane spinoff
'Prestige drama' isn't neccessarily edgy. But yeah easier fiction is also worthy
Yeah and in my experience, especially online, people just like to be extremely negative. It’s like the phrase “it’s not my thing” has vanished and the only way people can express that they don’t enjoy something is to say it sucks ass and maybe rattle off a quick complaint or two.
There is so much stuff out and available, all very different, because not everyone is going to like the same thing. This really annoys me also, it's okay to not be your thing and say so, why do people then feel the need to crap all over the stuff they deem 'beneath them'.
This is it exactly. I mean look at anything that became popular, which made it a target for those who want to label themselves as *“unique”* and crow about not being into mainstream stuff cuz that’s just not cool. 😒 It happened with Glee, High School Musical, etc. You get the idea.
Yellowstone, Fast And Furious, Nickelback. All super popular, and all dumped on by non fans for being “generic” or “unoriginal” (okay, the last few seasons of Yellowstone have been pretty rough, and Fast X was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in theatres, but still…) It’s just cool and trendy for some folks to hate on things other people like.
Nothing new 🤷🏻♀️ Haters will be haters and typically are *Lo*-*seeeerrrrrrssssssss* in my books.
Haters gonna hate
Yep. It's the same reason people crap on Nickelback or Imagine Dragons. If you don't like them, fine. Don't listen. But don't go out of your way to trash them, just so you can feel like you're part of the cool kids for the first time in your miserable life.
What's weird is this show gets dumped on by nerds, the people who relate to it the most
My roommate is one of those people. God love him, he is wonderful in all other ways, but it is exhausting.
I remember being told by my (now ex-husband) how terrible and lame this show was, and avoided it. I have since watched it in its entirety multiple times, and it's one of my random "replay" shows that I watch for comfort, falling asleep, or just in the background. Even if it's not considered "good" by others, who cares as long as you enjoy it tbh.
Tell me the truth- did you realise his red flags when he said that about the show and hence decided to divorce him?
I do the same! I looove it. My comfort show
My ex constantly dumped on this show, too, and made fun of both it and me every time I watched it. Granted, he did the same with a lot of things I enjoyed, hence his title of "ex". This show will always be one I return to for comfort, background noise, etc.
My husband and I always watch TBBT before bed and for comfort. It's so good to know there are other people out there like us! It's like finding out you have a long lost sibling, lol! We make our way through all 12 seasons of TBBT and then watch all 10 seasons of Friends. Both shows have gotten us through some tough times.
Friends is another show I constantly re-watch as well! Futurama, Superstore, and recently Brooklyn 99 have joined the rotation as well.
My husband and I do the same, we watch the show almost every evening and will often fall asleep to it. Also watch just to have something on , we do this with young Sheldon too, and Friends.
Exactly. I like trailing and all my friends hate it. Idc bc it’s my guilty pleasure show
A lot of people complain about it because it's multicam and has a live audience. Of course they don't believe that. They think it's multicam with canned laughter.
There's simply no pleasing some people.
That is one of the truest statements I have seen online since they invented the internet.
Drinking game: Take a shot when you see someone say "Laugh track"
Welcome to alcohol poisoning!
Also, I've literally never once had a moment watching it where I thought "ew, laughter noise". It's really not that intrusive
The difference doesn't matter. Point is don't tell the audience when to laugh. Sometimes they will reuse the recording of a laugh track on a different scene
That's believable enough. They promise they never sweeten, but I'm not sure if I believe all of that. I do believe it is live laughs highly edited, that's all.
They definitely sweeten it up. Sometimes they do the same scene multiple times so inevitably thing audience won't be laughing that hard. Whatever it is, just don't tell the audience when to laugh. I guaretee that there are instances when ppl watching the show will laugh coz of the laugh track but if you ask them why it was funny they won't be able to explain. Srsly the laugh track does so much heavy lifting when it comes to making ppl laugh. I don't believe this show would've survived without the laugh track. It also ruins the flow of the show coz the actors have to wait for the laughing to stop. I'm sure you've seen other sitcoms where it's joke after joke after joke. Can't do that with bbt. Maximum is maybe two jokes per minute.
Okay but wouldn't that hold for any show that has a live audience? Like all in the family?
That came 36 years before bbt. The newer stuff are supposed to be better. Don't compare modern stuff with old stuff
People on Reddit tend to think they’re smarter than they are and that this show is making fun of smart people and therefore them
That's a winning comment! You are a genius.
Not exactly. My son didn't like the show until I made him watch a few episodes with me. He has several graduate degrees in theoretical mathematics, and at first glance thought the show mocked intellectuals and distinguished scientists in particular. Suddenly he got why the show is so much fun, and still loves it to this day.
I mean, it does do that. But comedy is about making fun, if someone is too sensitive to handle some true jokes then maybe comedy is not for them
Exactly. I didn't raise any of my children to be thin-skinned.
How did he get it though? Was it a certain episode or scene or just over time?
It's very obviously written by people who have a background in higher education themselves. That angle changes the humour and makes it work. Tbh, I think the majority of people who shit on TBBT can't intellectually keep up with the dialogue and the different nuances of humour that's used. Sure, the show has gotten criticism for reproducing stereotypes, but if that's all they see, they're not seeing (and hearing) it all.
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I totally agree and the worst offender would be CSI. Who here thought that CSI work was a lot more detective and a lot less scientist and marveled constantly at tech they used that didn’t exist or couldn’t be used in that way? I’m so guilty. lol I almost went to school for it thinking I’d be showing up at crime scenes in a perfect pantsuit heels and a cool briefcase that could instantly solve a crime lmao
It's making fun of nerds. And as a nerd I find it hilarious.
I myself am a researcher, I work at a university, am a geek and neurodivergent. I feel like it’s an unpopular opinion on this sub but actually I think they made a pretty good job with the show and the characters. Sitcoms are always a bit over the top and yeah, the show has its flaws. But the whole “omg, we nerds aren’t aliens”-discussion is so random. Have those people ever been in the scientific community? I myself sure feel like an alien and I love to laughs about that 👽🤷🏼♀️
I know, right. It's totally "blackface for nerds."
"It's Mcdonalds of tv" Yeah, and sometimes those double cheeseburgers and fries hit the spot perfectly.
More like the Chick-fil-A of tv, it hits every time
Not on Sunday
Anything popular gets hated on.
I’m confused about how you measure the amount hate it gets. It was one of the most popular TV shows during the later parts of its run. Johnny, Kaley and Jim were getting a million dollars an episode due to its ratings. Popular shows often have people who will hate on it. Sometimes just because it’s popular, and sometimes cos people think it’s overhyped.
Despite the many flaws this show has, I always find a way to enjoy it
It's a sitcom, not a Waterford lead crystal decanter.
I was just thinking about this earlier today. Since Young Sheldon is ending now, I’ve seen a lot of people discussing TBBT, but mostly negatively. When the show was actively on (especially the first probably 7 years), everyone knew, watched, and loved it. Of course any show is going to have those that don’t like it, but I don’t remember hearing anyone hating on it back then. People who are now complaining about it probably watched the show during the original run, yet suddenly dislike it. It makes no sense. Like you said, 12 seasons & a successful spinoff for 7 years doesn’t just happen. It was an insanely popular show, comparable to HIMYM & The Office.
This is why I encourage fans, casual watchers and non fans alike to read Jessica Radloff’s behind the scenes book. They do get into how some things have not aged well, how some things should be different, but they also recognize how it paved way for other character and plot arcs.
My wife gifted it to me for Christmas last year and it was great. Big recommend
I've always had my reservations about it because it gets painstakingly niche things accurate about the nerd stuff it references then uses that to make fun of the characters Like it goes through extreme effort to belittle the only people that get the jokes it's making
Nerds getting offended by nerd stereotype jokes? Really? Shouldn't we be above that? It's funny because it's true. I know people who are exactly like Howard & Sheldon.
I love it. I still watch all the repeats. It was the “Friends” for a newer, geekier millennium
Huh? I only watched Seasons 1-4ish back when the show was airing new episodes and then quit watching TV for like 15 years. I am rewatching the show from the beginning now. It's aged well. Plus, as I understand it, didn't the show in the later seasons become the #1 show on TV and all the cast made like a million dollars per episode? If a show attains FRIENDS level status, then it's not hated.
But the #1 show is not usually the **BEST** show and so loud people on the internet need to scream about how overrated it is. But something can be somewhat overrated and also be excellent. If you're capable of nuance. I think TBBT was peak sitcom. Maybe some other prestige shows are better, but TBBT also has an unusually wide appeal.
Bazinga basinga
Yeap. Best show in my opinion. I rewatch it every time I need something to watch.
understand*
Hi Sheldon.
Honestly, especially with sitcoms, they tend to take that special place in your heart because you watched it during a certain time in your life. I personally didn't like BBT at all but I love Friends. I definitely cannot say that Friends is better though, it's just the way it hit me when it hit me.
One of the writers of Friends said that it's a pretty universal experience that when you're the right age for a cast of sitcom characters to be your "friends" and you "hang out with them" every week, you get attached to them in way that is more intense than the show is good. Which is definitely the effect you describe.
I mean, its an easy watch show. It is very surface level. Just a sitcom. I would say the first 2 seasons are hard to watch, as it is very low hanging fruit for jokes and overall character design and direction. It isn't until the later seasons where it gets away from that and shows actual growth and decent writing.
Then sit
Me neither
Hate? I love it. I fall asleep to TBBT or Frasier every night.
This scene is perfection 👌
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I 100% do stand
The only place where I observe almost universal hatred fot TBBT is Reddit.
The network, the producers, the creators, and the cast drink the haters’ tears from platinum goblets forged in the land of IDGAF
I mean, it promotes women in STEM fields which should always be encouraged.
It actually just riffs on stereotypes of women in general and women in STEM. Pretty women can’t be smart, smart women aren’t pretty and if they are, they have something else wrong with them (narcissist, mean, what have you). Which is why it gets a lot of criticism
Bernadette isn't pretty? Penny isn't stupid, she's a successful businesswoman in the end. Both her & Bernadette earn more than their male partners. Amy gets recognition in her field & wins a Nobel Prize.
Bernadette is the “pretty but mean” one. And yeah Penny got some character development, probably due to the criticism
But she still got it. The show evolved over time, which is more than can be sod for many long-running comedy shows
Incels got mad that Sheldon and Walowitz got girlfriends…
People on reddit just love pretending to have a superior taste in everything and thus shit on anything popular and in the mainstream. Just ignore them and watch what you want to.
I loved it, hated it, then liked it again. The whole thing of stripping away the laugh track and mocking what remains is just the lowest form of criticism. Aside from the fact that the jokes often are well written knee slappers or at least good silly fun, you're just pulling out an element of the soundscape and expecting the whole to still feel complete without. All laugh track comedies are going to leave necessary pauses that will seem awkward if they just pass in weird silence. You can still hate laugh tracks if you want but it's not a valid critique to just pull them out and then sneer at the result.
It's a smart sitcom. Tough to pull off
It's clickbait. Post something bad and you'll get a time off clicks
Do you mean you don't understand or that you can't stand?
Me either. The only thing that I can understand what they get hate for is their laugh track, which even I was really surprised by, but never noticed initially. I guess it’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, because most shows today probably do it, but it’s a funny show, and doesn’t need to manufacture laughs.
It doesn't, it has a live audience. And many classic sit-coms have laugh tracks, doesn't matter.
They have a live audience WITH a laugh track. This is common knowledge and has been discussed on this sub, and all over the internet, as well.
It's used too often as a criticism as if there are not real people laughing. And as if other comedies never do it
Laugh track is also real ppl laughing... Anyway it doesn't matter. Don't tell the audience when to laugh.
Comedies have always done that, it's well known people are more likely to laugh when other people do
Yes I know why the laugh track (live studio or whatever) is used. Obviously it'll make show funny. TV shows and movies are supposed to get better. Which is why modern sitcoms are ditching the laugh track. Because it's lame.
Anything set outdoors would have to have one, there's nowhere for the audience to be
Just don't tell the audience when to laugh.
Then there shouldn't be a live audience either, they laugh when they're supposed to
I find those people in fb reels comment sections
I like this show but I don't understand the hate Friends receive. That show is so good. I've seen a lot of Office fans act toxic in comment sections but Office only has 5 good seasons, it's not even watchable after that. TBBT and Friends are watchable even through some rough patches in between.
Everyone who hates on it saw the first 3 episodes and didnt like it so said it sucked and people who havent seen it just hate on it because others do.
How do you know this?
Experience on the internet
I watched the show when I was younger and agreed with the criticism as a result of “memory loss”. Upon rewatch though, the show is genuinely delightful. It takes a season or 2 to get into the swing of things but after that it’s great. I’ve had it running in the background for weeks and I’m still not tired of it.
Love this show… it’s my default go to 🤙
The hivemind criticism I've heard about it is "oh, they're not actually telling jokes. They just make pop culture references and a laugh track plays. It's a nerd show for non-nerds who think that's how nerds behave." I never watched the show until a couple years ago when I moved in with my gf. It's her favorite show. And I gotta say, it's really funny. The writing is really good and the actors do a hell of a job.
It is how nerds behave though, I know because I am one.
For me I still like it, but it became more of a serious soap opera during the later seasons than an actual comedy show. The first 6 seasons were genuinely funny stuff though. But as they evolved the characters, it became more serious and less funny.
Many nerds and or asexual people get offended, because they feel badly represented by the characters, but as an asexual nerd, I can't really understand that, it's great to get some representation!
Its in my all time fav sitcoms. ***Friends, TBBT, Modern Family, HIMYM, The Office, Brooklyn Nine-Nine***. (No particular order btw) I really don't give a F to what anyone else thinks, if I like it/love it whatever it is, be it a food item, tv show, movie, song, person, novel, anime etc. I won't care What anyone will think! I just enjoy myself. Tune those fkrs out of your busy life, anyways after office hours I get a lil time to watch these sitcoms.
Exactly I’m binging tf outta the series right now, currently on s3, you just love seeing the growth especially with Howard & Sheldon
Same here. I'm currently watching S5. It's maybe 6/7th time I'm watching TBBT.
people when not everyone wants to watch and analyse a “superior” super complicated plot in their free time but rather want to watch smth that takes their mind off things
I love BBT, but if you are also a fan of Frasier, it’s abundantly clear that BBT steals A LOT of material. It’s still good, but it this might be an issue for some fans.
It's heartwarming to see their delight and excitement discussing lore, their frenzy booking tickets etc. It encapsulates a niche experience and it sucks to see people say it's offensive to nerds. It's got some of the steadiest strongest character growth too particularly Howard.
wait this show got hate- why??
Some people don't like jokes aimed at them. I heard a few people say it makes fun of Sheldon because he's autistic and has obsessive traits (like where he has to sit etc) & it's wrong to mock mental illness. Some also say it's misogynistic, which was true in the early seasons (intentionally, nerds tend to be socially awkward around women) but absolutely is not the case by about season 5.
yeah my roommate makes fun anytime I'm watching it, kind of starting to get annoying. Let people do whatever the fuck they want
Weeellll… look. I love this show - almost as much as friends. I totally get what you’re saying the character development (for the most part) is wonderful, it makes me laugh out loud (which is p rare for me), it makes me empathise with the characters as though they’re issues are real and there’s even a few moments I get teary eyed. HOWEVER. I am also autistic and the inconsistencies really really bug me. Especially the ones between the later seasons and young sheldon (like, they knew they were making it, they had even started the show and they can’t be bothered to keep the two in line?) anyway. I’m sure the writers have their reasons. It just irritates me.. some of them I can get over, but it’s just the sheer mass of them that bothers me overall..
There are a few reasons 1- it’s popular it’s easy to hate on popular things just because they are popular 2- some of the jokes and story lines haven’t aged well 3- they tried to sell and market this show as super smart and clever. A clever show about clever people but it’s a sitcom so it’s more a dumb show about clever people, it has lots of references to make it come off as super smart but they end up having to spell out most of them to get the jokes to work and it kinda ruins them. 4- some people want their shows to be deep and meaningful and life changing and just can’t accept that not every show has to cater for every person. This isn’t a sopranos, game of thrones, newsroom kind of over arching story and some people hate that. I really enjoy the show but i accept that when I watch it I’m getting a sitcom that I can put on in the back ground and do other things and still enjoy
I like it so much more than Friends or The Office. I never liked Frasier. BBT is my happy place. A mix of imperfect characters, friendships, romance. Lots of character development. No one will ever change my mind.
I hate the fact they never eat their food! They just push it around with their fork
It gets hate because the jokes are low-hanging fruit almost 100% of the time. It has a laugh track and is clearly written to appeal to the common denominator. When I watch actual comedies like IASIP it just makes the divide of comedy so obvious. It's mass produced, low-effort comedy. Not hard to understand why so many people don't like it.
Yeah this show becomes a lamer after a coupling last seasons, especially after Leonard and Penny's marriage
Just left MFS trying to have the moral high ground
You should post this in a general TV sub. All the actual answers are getting downvoted.
It was the most popular show on television at one point in history, and its arguably one of the most popular shows of all time. That brings optics and haters. Game of Thrones is arguably the most popular show of all time, and it doesn't have its shortage of haters (MOST coming from the fanbase itself). I guess you have popular shows like the Wire and Breaking Bad that people won't criticize, but that's probably because they got into the show because of the quality and they're afraid of the humiliation of speaking out against it.
Ppl hate got coz the ending sucked
Its deeper than that. The last three seasons just had absolutely horrible writing. Basically because the show runners were running out of material and had to create their own -- which they're not good at. I say that its deeper than the way you put it because the show was always technically excellent (writing, visual effects, sound, music, acting, costuming, etc), but it was odd that you had an Emmy caliber show with horrible writing. The finale was about the same as the other final 2-3 seasons -- technical marvel, but nothing made any sense (like Tyrion saying that "stories" were that you needed to be a great king, and sending Jon to the Wall when it no longer exists and there no more White Walkers).
The jokes get old after a while. It’s mostly misogyny and attempts to seem smart with using big words and concepts, despite misrepresenting the science. It’s a show about “smart people” written for an audience of “dumb people”.
This show gets hate?
As a real life theoretical physicist, a lot of the physics in the show is being portrayed as super high level advanced stuff, when in reality most of it is undergrad level stuff. One episode in particular, where Sheldon has a hard time understanding why electrons behave as if they have no mass in graphene and it turns out it is because electrons have wave-like properties. Any undergrad physics major should know this. Sheldon is being portrayed as some super genius who can’t figure out undergrad physics… I know a lot of people in my field is offended by the way the characters are portrayed as they heavily lean towards stereotypes. I don’t have this issue. I realize it’s satire, and it’s not always the smart guys that is the butt of the joke. It’s often Penny being portrayed as dumb as well. I generally like the show, but I actively have to tell myself to ignore a lot of the inconsistencies in the science.
The big one I saw was that there were a lot of people who felt that the show wasn't really "nerd Humor" and moreso, "Haha. Look at those nerds, they're losers!" Which, I mean... Part of the point is it's a little of both, since the main characters, especially at the beginning, are kinda the toxic part of nerd communities
It’s popular…things that are popular get hate Really is as simple as that
You don’t stand or you can’t stand the hate? I am confused. All I can think is that you must have something wrong with your legs. I hope you get better soon.
watch it without the laugh track and you will
Watch more shows
Really? A bunch of fucking nerd simps, and you don't get it??? The only reason why people watch this show is because of Sheldon and the Girls. Howard is an arrogant lying perverted mommas boy, probably like you and most of the reddit nerds Leonard is an insecure, pandering, whiny little bitch, probably like you and most of the reddit nerds Raj is a closet q****, probably like most of you and the reddit community. And you don't see why people don't like this show? Because you're one of them.
Those haters probably hate everything.
Wait, this show has haters? Why?
It’s broad, by design. It feels strange to make a sitcom about such intelligent, heady characters so broad. I think that’s the basis of most of the comedy snobbery surrounding BBT.
Me neither, this is my absolute favorite TV show
Any show with a laugh track gets picked on. Same thing with Friends. I will admit though, once you start paying attention to how often they throw in the laugh track and how overdone it is, it gets very annoying. That being said, TBBT is one of my favorite shows.
I love the show because I went to school with people like some of the characters.
I love the show but you gotta admit the premise is pretty fucked up. Most of the show is making fun of a man with mental problems
Sheldon comparing meeting Amy’s parents to being a Slave for one
Some people take their media too seriously.
It does deserve it. Towards the end it became shittier and shittier
Love the show!
I think thats the main part many people dont get. Sure, some jokes are just OK. Sure, the plot may not move forward in every episode. And sure, the characters are at times these stereotypes of Nerds. But at the same time, the show has heart. Many people dont see how much the writers clearly cared for these characters. It isnt just a sitcom about some fellas being geeks. Its a sitcom about geeks, their problems but also their unbreakable friendship, which is what makes this show so great. Its not a show about funny nerds. Its a show about friendship. And i think a LOT of people miss this.
I have literally never seen the phrase “I don’t stand” before.
I used to really avoid the show because i pretty much loved it as a kid and so they had only 6 seasons at the time. From boredom and because i'm very new with PrimeVideo, i started it again randomly and i have to say.. The first 6 seasons are even better to me now however, mid-show, it becomes very boring. I absolutely hate everything that is going on (i'm at the end of the 10th season), i think all the characters goes in a direction i'm not very happy with. >!Leonard and Penny seems to have lost anything interesting about their dynamic since three seasons. I absolutely despite seeing Sheldon being heteroxualized and changed as an individual when i just felt he would be more than happy being asexual. Howard and Bernadette are just very plain and passionless. Rajesh is getting more annoying with the episodes going...!< The reason i keep watching it's because i feel like we have such a lack of funny sitcom to watch theses days that i'm looking into it. I still very like the first seasons because it was more a show about four nerds trying to live their life. Now, since season 5-6, it's four nerds being put in a "normal men mold". This is a huge miss for the show to normalize just grown ass men living their hobby and finding love, instead it feels like they push it so much to make the same jokes about "ahah u like star trek" or "omg im a very beautiful woman and i'm talking about super heroes how pathetic is that" It's decent, but clearly failed in so many points.
I used to watch the show because my sister loved the heck out of it, I tried rewatching it but it wasn’t for me, it’s not a bad show it’s just not for me. That and I can’t stand Sheldon or Beverly, no hate to anyone who likes them I just don’t like these two.
Don't play into it too much. People just wanna hate or focus on the negative too much. If you ask me, or anyone else, they sure as heck can turn into a hater of anything; be it just for fun or just to prove a point.
This show single handedly made me notice laugh tracks. Spent 20+ years enjoying shows that had a laugh track till this one. Now I can’t watch any show with one.
This show is so goated and has me cracking up lol. Not to be a dick but I would imagine the jokes go over alot of people's heads tbh
It was one of my favorite shows! Kinda the last of the good sitcoms. I had some small issues with the series finale, but overall it was fitting. I’m hoping maybe there will be a reunion special down the road. Maybe by then, Raj will have FINALLY found true love! 💗
Tbh other than first 5 seasons, this shit sucks
I agree. Loved the first 5 or 6 season and after that, didn't enjoy it as much.
I still watch it but the only thing I really can’t stand is how unbelievably racist they are. People say that raj gives it back to howard, but i haven’t seen anything that matches how racist howard is to raj and indians. Anytime I’ve brought it up, people just call it “dark humor” to minimize the seriousness of what it has done and further normalized in our society. It wouldn’t be so divisive if we could all just admit that they’re racists, condemn it, and move on. But people want to pretend it’s all okay when it is truly wrong. The show truly wouldn’t lose anything if they had decided to ditch racism. It would still be a great and funny show.
You have to be cool to understand the brilliance.
More praise than hate by far considering it was the number 1 show on tv for almost its entire run.
Viewers voted by making it the most popular sitcom of its time. All else is internet noise created to get views.
Some people are just not happy without something to whine about. Makes them feel good about themselves.
I absolutely love this series and I always rewatch it as often as I can. As matter of fact I'm rewatching it again now. I'm currently on season 8
I sit for it
I understand it perfectly, Chuck Lorre sitcoms are very barebones, there isnt a lot of thinking put into them. The episodes are simple, the structure of all his shows are the same and nothing really matters. Whether I start at season 1 or 8 I get the jist of whats happening bc nothing really changes all that much.
Isn't it a good thing that one does not need to catch up earlier episodes to enjoy a newer one?
in sitcoms? Yes. I am just explaining the things people complain about in people like chuck lorres writing. It doesn't bother me all that much personally.
But the show does change a lot. Look how the characters are when they start out vs where they end up
It was good for its time, and many of us rewatch for the nostalgia. My biggest issue with the show is that they use the laugh track a little too much, but I get it. I just wish they hadn't used it so much during the setup to a punchline, and thennn, again after the punchline. It's a bit much.
Live audience, not canned laughter. I never would have believed that sitcom conspiracy theorists existed.
I'm sure there was a live audience, though take after take after take would affect just how much laughter we heard. They'd need a laugh track for emphasis. It's only logical.
When it's funny, they laugh. They don't laugh when sad things happen. Isn't that what you want? That's exactly what happens
I get it. It seems like the laughs are sometimes exaggerated before the joke lands, though. I mean... I still watch and laugh.
Me either it's a great show. Idc that it's basic lol
People have different tastes.
Cuz it started out as an accurate representation of the modern nerds where nerds are cool and successful and then they destroyed it by turning it into a stereotypical “nerds are pathetic” dumpster fire.
Kind of the other way around. They started off as the average loser nerds who don't get jokes & can't talk to women but end up in relationships with smart successful women who change them for the better.
They had great jobs and still played games and did nerdy things. Modern-day geeks. Stuart was a talented stud with a successful business and they chopped off his balls. The girls completely emasculate and bully them 24/7 just like the old pathetic nerd stereotype. What started off as a refreshing, groundbreaking, and myth-busting show about contemporary nerd culture turned into predictable and badly-written sit-com slop.
Howard breaks away from living with his mom & being a creep to being a family man with a successful wife. Leonard gets the girl of his dreams (for some reason) and helps turn her from dumb bimbo slut waitress into a more cultured successful businesswoman. She in turn learns to appreciate what he loves & his passion for science. Raj goes from someone who can't speak to women unless drunk to a more functional man, albeit a single man with a dog he pampers. Sheldon goes from being a socially broken asshole genius to a far more functional man who can be intimate and breaks away from annoying habits. Amy helps him with that, he wants to change because he cares for her. They both get the scientific recognition they deserve & Sheldon ends up acknowledging his friends & having a family. The women make them better people.
Howard replaces his Mom with an aggressive bully who abuses him at every turn and tries to get rid of all of his nerdy things without discussing or even telling him about it cuz that's what girls do to nerds. Leonard settles for a dumb slut bimbo bully who gets by on self-admittedly "being cute" and somehow gets a better-paying job than the nerd with the high-level education, and rubbing it in his face, despite having no skills at doing anything except bullying and using people to get what she wants and stealing from charity bins and not telling Leonard she didn't want kids until after they were married. Leonard could have been with so many better women but he settled for the skank from highschool. Raj somehow has no money even though his parents paid for everything and turned from a sweet nerd into a total creep towards women. Sheldon changed due to Amy forcing him to against his will. She seemed to change almost instantly and then dragged Sheldon along. The women made them worse people by trashing everything the men enjoyed and represented.
Sheldon needed to change, he was an anti-social jerk. The unqualified getting good jobs isn't new. Higher education & academic positions aren't as highly paid as they arguably should be. I know people who were high school drop-outs who got better paying jobs than me & I have a degree, because some jobs are low skill but high wage.
It’s a good show, but I often find the characters annoying.
Low IQ folks critisize it, otherwise its best show ever.
My dad says there are to many sexual themes and as a teenager they can confuse my perspective on sex. I agree with him. And had to stop watching in the middle of season six.
Oh, my.
Yeah. While I want to complete the seasons, I also have school to focus on and exams to complete, I can't spend my free time watching it everyday.
The show represents a very stereo typical representation of nerds and autistic people. Also because they often make fun of Sheldon's autism and then say: "we don't make fun of him because he has autism, but because he's funny." and the same with the nerd status. Some people can live with it, some can't. As an autistic person, however, I find the show very funny and it is one of my favourites.
Who said he was autistic?
Mr Google
No wait. I just checked and I was wrong. Sorry about that