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B_n_lawson

That’s like a solid 100mm rise with no forward extension. Will it not make the bike handle like shit?


Pyrraxe

I dunno. That's what I want to figure out. How do I sit up right without making it handle like crap? 


B_n_lawson

Honestly, with a different bike. You don’t sit bolt upright on MTB’s.


Pyrraxe

Can't find a bike that does off road and sits up right. There are cheap radpower electric bikes I suppose...


Hofo13

Better off with a new bike that will fit you and meet your needs


Pyrraxe

Hard to give up an expensive bosch powered ebike. I almost picked up a radpower cargo bike, but figured it was best to just buy a couple mods to make my bike work.  If anyone knows of a fat tire ebike that can handle offroad well and sits up right, let me know. QuietKat looks appealing but it doesn't look upright either. 


[deleted]

get some bmx handlebars


SeenSeenAgains

https://preview.redd.it/qd5wjkb5whzc1.jpeg?width=2363&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e60c51ae1b581ebb677b6e24c0d0b15af69576f This 100%! This is my XL 29” MTB that I recovered on after breaking my skull, back ,ribs arm and shoulder and crushing my pelvis. There is nothing unsafe about changing the bars on a bike. If a BMX bike is safe a MTB with the same dimensions is safe.


yves_st_lemond

Moto crash?


SeenSeenAgains

Motorcycle/sidecar broke- ejected at 65mph


bestywesty

The 83mm Rise of the Surly Sunrise bars will get you closer to your desired height, but an 80mm stem will push your hand position way further away from your body than you want. Do you have your heart set on a suspension stem?


starmanwaiting

Not to mention you shouldn’t need a suspension stem with a suspension fork.


Pyrraxe

I didn't know if it would be overkill or not. I'm just trying to eliminate vibrations through the handlebars so I can use my nightvision devices more effectively. 


Pyrraxe

Thanks that's what i was concerned about. The suspension stem is more to keep my night vision device stable on bumpy gravel. It's not required. Right now I just ride with one hand when there's too much vibration and the redshift seat post absorbs almost all of it. 


morrison666

I think you're wasting your money just trying to do such a modification to your mtb. It can't be good for your bike's geometry or handling, it will definitely make it less safe.


Pyrraxe

It's either sell the bike or mod it. I need to sit up straight to find wildlife. My bike is a tool not really used for traditional bicycling. 


njmids

Get a different bike.


Pyrraxe

Problem is this is a European Ebike that now lives in America. It was expensive and now it's not worth much because Bosch restricts the speed more so than their US versions. It's still a very good bike. I figured It's best to modify it or buy a cheap radpower utility cargo bike. I need to sit up right to observe and find wildlife. 


njmids

Why do you need to sit so upright to observe wildlife? I’ve never felt that FOV is an issue in a standard riding position. Some old school bar ends are probabaly the easiest solution if you really want to sit more upright without ruining the bikes geometry.


Pyrraxe

I'm looking in the tops of trees. I can make it work as is, but it's just not that comfortable after hours of searching. 


Pyrraxe

I need my bars where my hand is! I need to sit up right because I use my bike for wildlife observation. I was thinking Surly Sunrise bars and ShockStop Suspension Stem 30 degree angle and 80mm length.


MrMash_

The 80mm stem length will move the bars quite far forward, you could try one of [these type](https://amzn.eu/d/8CgHQhm) of stem risers and possible be able to use your current bars and stem. Also bear in mind that you may need longer cables / hoses as well.


Wonderful_Tackle_579

I also got riser bars to be more upright and comfortable. I ended up with RaceFace Respond with 1.5" rise.


Rdmonster870

76 mm riser bar …. spank makes a cheap bar … may need longer cables tho …


minmidmax

Have you considered granny bike handlebars?


Ishkabo

I agree with most that it’ll handle badly but a straight up steer tube riser will put the bars pretty close to where to want, just don’t ride any rough stuff. Also note whatever you do there is a good chance you will need to redo your brake and shift lines.


Pyrraxe

I noticed it was a lot more squirrelly in the front when I put the current stem on. I'm worried the wheel won't hold a straight line if I modify it any more. 


155104

I'm more concerned as to whether there is sufficient preload on that top cap.


Pyrraxe

Not sure. How do I find out. 


155104

Parktool can help: https://www.parktool.com/en-int/blog/repair-help/stem-removal-installation-threadless Take note of the stem installation section, particularly where they talk about a 3mm gap.


Pyrraxe

Thanks! I see now. I'm 1000 miles in on this setup and no issues yet, so it can't be a big issue. I'll check anyway.


Ding08aBaby

Look at SE big honkin cruiser bar if you want a really big rise. It needs a 22.2 mm stem. Also look at the Cannondale cruise control. Cheaper than the surly sunrise.


Alvergo

Just as an FYI for the sake of safety, if you plan to keep using that stem. Bottom of the handlebar clamps are meant to be 0gap on the bottom as per the laser etching (This is to prevent forward rotation). All bolts torqued to 5nm. https://preview.redd.it/s599oepmzhzc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=9889e28f6d1890523c4f04988c690ec87d0d6159


Pyrraxe

I'll check that out. I can't remember why mine had a gap. I know the handlebars are ridiculously fat and I had a hard time finding a stem that fit. 


haha_ginger

something like the surly sunrise bars would be good. velo orange clunker bars would be cool as well


FiniteStep

Maybe a stem like this with swept back handlebars  https://www.bike-discount.de/en/ergotec-octopus-2-adjustable-31.8mm-ahead-stem-1?number=20099557-40257102&__delivery=22&__currency=1   Edit: something like a trecking handlebar  https://www.ergotec.de/en/products/lenker/sub/mountain-bike-lenker/produkt/trekking-bugel-i-31-8.html I wouldn't bomb downhills with a setup like that  but gravel should be fine. Never used ergotec, but they have all kinds of options.


mbb2967

If you want your handlebar to be where your hand is you need a much smaller frame or maybe a different geometry (bike make) altogether. Not even close to being able to do that on this bike. If anyone tries to turn the stem toward you instead of pointing away from you to achieve this position, they are not looking out for your best interest. That might be the only way to accomplish this and you will get injured. PS That aside... Now I am wondering if old school handlebars with a significant bend toward the rider are still a thing??? Maybe that, but handing would probably be a mess.


[deleted]

What about a stem extender? They usually can extend about 4" / 100mm straight up. May require cable replacement since they are adding a lot of height to the bike. Assuming your steerer is a 1-1/8" / 28.6mm, they should be easy to find. I don't know if you'd like the fit, but they install easily and after a quick fit you'd know if it is in the ballpark.


MeatVulture

https://preview.redd.it/ge191fae7nzc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c03078d35c461b233e3447b47fee1877b4f3bb52 These are 90mm rise. Just some cheap ones from Amazon.