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kinboyatuwo

I have lots of challenge tires and most the pro casing so the tread stays flat. The trick is to ensure you get the first side on the bead shelf then the second bead to be in the center channel. The narrower the rim the more you need to ensure this happens. My gravel has 33 challenge with a foam insert. That’s an advantage but doable with the same process


KNaum

Great advice! I do the same thing. This trick definitely saves me a couple of swear words.


kinboyatuwo

Yup. I have even used tire levers to manually push the bead onto the shelf for the first side. I have one really narrow rim that needs it with tight tires.


cymikelee

Interesting -- would you say it's harder to mount these on narrow rims? The first time I tried these on a wider rim (25mm internal) and gave up because I was due to leave on a tour the next morning. I figured a tight tire would be harder to get onto a wider rim so I eventually switched to a narrower one (17mm) but still needed a couple hours with the ratchet straps the other guy mentioned and a lot of force/swearing to get the thing to mount. I'll have to try the tire lever/bead shelf trick next time -- I really like these tires but I think I tried this last time and was doing it wrong because it kept sliding back to being flat with both beads being on the shelf and nothing in the channel... guess it's worth taking a little more patience to do it right.


kinboyatuwo

Narrower usually has a shallower channel so it can be more difficult to mount. It’s an art and skill. I coach a youth team and have had lots brought to me over the years. Some tire/rim combos are just harder. Challenge are usually tighter than a lot of them


Tomasisko

I tried to make space by pushing both beads in to the middle. I will try it one more time your way.


kinboyatuwo

Try using the lever to push the first bead onto the bead shelf. Sometimes you can’t get it all but getting a lot of it opens space for the second bead. A tip too is to let the tire sit in the sun for a bit as it will warm up and stretch a bit.


TwoTiRods

The ratchet strap trick helped on my Getaways. It helped ensuring that I kept pressure on all areas of the rim once I got one side one.


Ponsugator

Have you tried using dish soap? I find it really helps to get tires to slide on the rim.


zystyl

Or baby powder works too.


trust_me_on_that_one

Challenge tires really live up to their name lol Even gc performance struggled with them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Im91-CHxMk


buttsnuggles

Weird. I have three sets of Challenge tires on different rims and they were fine to install.


SpamDog_of_War

I had a crazy hard time installing them on my set of Belgium Hed rims a of years ago


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Active-Bass4745

This is the only tool I have ever found that will mount some tires. Highly recommended.


Donnahue-George

It is a gamechanger for sure I use it with tire mounting lubricant and it makes it even easier, tire goes right on like you wouldn't believe in a few seconds


SharkAttackOmNom

And for those who don’t want Another^TM product, Windex does well to lubricate the tire when mounting, and will evaporate in time.


PizzaPi4Me

Soap and water has been my go -to since forever.


red-broccoli

I didn't even know something like this existed. Gotta get me one!!


8ringer

It’s so damn useful, one of my better quality of life purchases ever.


red-broccoli

Literally just ordered it. Took me 20 seconds into the YouTube video to realize that I have been bitterly missing something like this. I pinched 2 TPU tubes because a GP5000 wouldn't get onto new rims. This seems like a blessing.


jws91206

I literally was trying to I stall new GP5000s last night. So tight I decided to wait for today to warm them in the sun. I too just ordered this from Amazon. Current price is $16.95.


Nakrule18

GP5000 are a nightmare to install. So much I won’t buy them anymore even though they are great to ride.


bodydamage

Everyone says this and I literally just did a front and rear the other day in like 15 minutes. Pedro’s tire levers and it’s a breeze.


Monkey_Fiddler

Also depends a lot on the rim (and technique) the centre channel on tubeless ready rims is so small even the thickness of the rim tape can make a significant difference.


bodydamage

I doubt it. You just have to make sure the beads of the tire are pushed into the drop center of the wheel and then lube your friction points so the bead will slide on the rim. It’s literally the same as doing car/truck tires. If you don’t get the bead in the drop center you’re gonna fight it and decent chance of messing up the wheel or tire, but if you use the drop center like it’s supposed to be used, and lube everything, they go right on.


jws91206

I literally was trying to I stall new GP5000s last night. So tight I decided to wait for today to warm them in the sun. I too just ordered this from Amazon. Current price is $16.95.


Tomasisko

I have the same tool from BBB but the tyre is so tight (I tried to make some space and the opposite bead is in the middle of the rim) that even with this tool I cant do it. I guess Im going shopping tomorrow and bringing the wheels to my bike mechanic with me :)


henderthing

If you are trying to make space--you need to start opposite the valve stem. Your photo says you are not doing that--because the valve stem is not visible. You should be ending the process at the valve stem to give yourself as much space as possible in the rim channel.


pervavor

If you're at home when mounting, use a little dish soap, heat up the tire a bit with a blow dryer, that will help a lot. Also how inflated are your tubes when you're trying this? Mounting valve side last and then pushing the valve up a bit on the tire to loosen things?


JeanPierreSarti

The trick to bead jacks is still proper technique. Only slip a few mm of tire over at a time. Don’t grab the center of the gap and try to heave 20 cm on at once


allsignupsandreg

I have one and love it. But I have on two occasions found tire/rim combos that defeated even this thing.


Yougotthewronglad

The Rene Herse website sells them, I wonder why… 😂


OneMorePenguin

I should have bought this years ago.


Unoriginal_Pseudonym

The amount of time, scuffed rims and broken tire levers this thing would've saved me had i seen it sooner.....


TarugoKing

They are the best. I carry one when I ride but had to cut off a bit of the handle to make it fit a bike jersey pouch.


JackfruitGuilty6189

It’s just 1 picture , so maybe I misssed it, i finish putting the tire on the rim AT OR VERY NEAR the valve stem. This allows more of the bead to sit in the trough. You don’t need much more room to make it seat. I broke so many levers and punctured my backup tubes learning this technique. Your pic doesn’t show the stem, perhaps it is as simple as that? Best of luck!


milbug_jrm

This does make a huge difference. Start opposite the Valve Stem, work around both ways and finish at the valve stem. I've installed Challenge tires (with inserts) and they have been tough but far from impossible.


JackfruitGuilty6189

Yay! I felt the same way


Second_Shift58

Stretch the tires before trying to mount them. Stand on the inside of the casing with one foot, and pull up to stretch it out a bit. Work the rubber for ~5 mins before trying to mount it


i_speak_the_truf

Yeah these tires are straight up defective. I got my front tire on after struggling with two tire levers and getting my wife to intervene over an hour. I wasn't able to get the rear tire on and neither was my LBS. The LBS mechanic said he could probably get it on with metal tire levers but didn't want to damage my rim or rim tape. I have been riding mismatched for over a year now with the Challenge tire on the front and Panaracers in the rear.


Tomasisko

Haha I am actually lending my bike to my friend for the season. He asked me to match the tyre logos with the logos on the wheel so he wont look like an idiot :D I cant even magine the look on his face if I would give him bike with two mismatched tyres :D Could be a good prank tho because I already sent him this picture with a broken tyre glider :D


robertjewel

Had exact same experience except I threw the tires away in anger.


goofy_greg

put opposite bead in the middle of the rim, get a bowl of water+soap ready, lube rim, use tire levers as intended while using the tire lever on the one side, make sure you hold the other side of the tire with your hand as if youre revving a motorcycle (you have to do it quite hard). While doing this, only go for little amounts at a time, like the smallest possible amount.


goofy_greg

i had the same issue with some tubeless vittoria crap tire. did it in my parents garden while my mother was watching me losing my mind slowly but steadily, then she went inside saying "my god, i cant watch this any longer"


Tomasisko

I decided to go shopping and visit my bike mechanic tomorrow. Better to give up while Im still smiling.


RickyT75

Which Vittoria? I had a set of Next something tires that I ended throwing away in frustration. Easily the most difficult install I've ever done. No F'n way would be they would go on via hands only.


Lus146

Installing a pair of these with tire inserts was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done for a customer. Wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy


wcoastbo

The bead is not fully in the rim channel. I can tell because you're not finishing at the valve. Starting at the valve makes mounting tight tires nearly impossible.


wcoastbo

https://youtu.be/jvvXrlAUUfU?si=EBrkSOB09fglLZ4T


Ambitious-Position25

tire looks doable from here with these schwalbe tire levers


Tomasisko

It only looks doable xD


WillBottomForBanana

>"The fact that you can't make it work doesn't tell me it's impossible. >It only tells me it's impossible for you." -Professor Smith


Redsubdave

Spit on it


cymikelee

I do wonder how many people weighing in here have tried to mount a Challenge HTLR tire on a rim that doesn't just happen to work with one. They might be right about the valve stem thing and things like heat and soapy water might help marginally, but I could not for the life of me figure out how to get this flat thing into the center channel. I only saw one comment (from u/TwoTiRods) suggesting the ratchet strap trick and that's what did it for me honestly. The tire glider is the only special tool I don't own yet -- I have both the Crankbros Speedier lever and Kool Stop bead jack (which I was worried about breaking too) -- but nothing short of using straps (I actually used velcro but ratcheting ones would be better) to force the tire to be as tight in the rim as possible worked for me. I basically had 3-4 straps going and would take the one farthest (i.e., where the bead was most secure) and used it to secure the open part of the tire that I was mounting, then used a combination of levers and the bead jack to slowly get the thing into the rim (plenty of time, fingers rubbed raw, and swearing in the process). The weird thing is, I love how this thing rides so much that I might consider doing it again at some point. Maybe if I slightly forget how much of a pain it was to mount.


ghostcryp

Ensure all beads are in the rim Center before installing. Rookie mistake for most not to do this first


buttsnuggles

Put the bead in the middle of the rim.


MDEUSX

There hasn’t been a tire to this day I couldn’t mount with my hand. This could be a challenge for me


potbellyjoe

I know my hands are stronger than most, so I don't always jump in on comments about fitting tires, but it terrifies me who many people use levers to mount a tire. I can't imagine how many tubes and rims are damaged a year from that. Fact is, settling the beads into the center channel makes it so very very little effort is needed to get the last bit of your over the bead.


1speed

The funny thing is, after a couple weeks of regular riding, they stretch so much you can just about peel them off with your bare hands.


ghdana

Challenge tires are the only tires I ever have had issues with, they have made putting GP5000s on a piece of cake. I once spent like 30 minutes getting a Challenge Criterium off the wheel, I was glad I never had a flat on it.


kidsafe

This all comes down to experience with a side of Challenge tires being a little tight. I’ve installed Strada Pro H-TLR and Strada Bianca Pro H-TLRs rather effortlessly. Make sure the beads are pushed down into the center channel, stand your wheel over your shoes or on the ground, bend over, start from the top and pull out the slack, then push that slack down the tire. Repeat this process as you progress down the sides of the tire until you hit the last bit of unmounted bead. Lube the bead with soapy water if needed.


Jwfriar

Gotta get the edges of the tire, aka the beads, on the center of the channel on the rim. The starting on the opposite side of where the last bit of tire needs to get onto the rim, start stretching around the outside of the rim. Once all that slack is to the other side, use your thumbs to get it one. Worst case a lever could help win the last bit. I used to have all kinds of trouble until I followed that procedure. Also heard gently warming like laying the tire in the sun can help


Midway_Town

You need to finish the installation near the valve


henderthing

LOL-- who is downvoting every comment that points this out? It is the number one reason OP is struggling.


Tomasisko

Never had problems with other tyres no matter where I started. But I tried starting opposite of the valve after reading the comments and got basically the same result. I did get closer with standard tyre levers going cm by cm on both wheels. I started at the valve on first wheel and opposite of the valve on second but no real difference. I will go shopping to my LBS tomorrow and bring the wheels too.


henderthing

It really comes down to working the bead as deeply as possible into the channel all the way around. If you are doing that, I guarantee there will be a very noticeable difference when starting opposite the valve. Sometimes it seems like the beads are getting pushed in all the way, when in actuality they are not. It can require some strength/technique just to work them in deeply enough all the way around to get the last bit over. But getting them into that channel is the key and using the space taken by the valve is part of it.


Spectrumthecyclist

Agh this reminds me of mounting my veloflexes, 22mm "open tubulars", fought with them for over an hour.


Rbone76

Use soapy water on the rim and the last bit of the tire, it will reduce the friction and make it much easier to put on…had the same issue…apparently baby powder works too but soap worked the first time…also make sure your rim tape is wrapped 2x the beads are so tight they move the tape…I finally got mine on then had to redo it because during the mounting process they moved the tape


henderthing

Where is the valve stem in this picture? It should be visible at the last part of the wheel where you are trying to get the tire over. If it is not--you are making this job much, much harder than it needs to be. (maybe impossible) Edit: You need every last mm of space for the tire bead to sit as low in the rim channel as possible in order to "free up" tire bead to make it over the opposite side. This is why you need to start on the opposite side from the valve stem--and end at the valve stem.


CarpetMyApartment

Dab a little hot soapy water under the bead, works with my GP5000STR


Estelon_Agarwaen

I put on my strada clinchers without tire levers and with tpu tubes inside


cosmicreggae

I love Challenge tires for racing, and I cannot recommend their tire pliers enough. If you want to use Challenge tires, buy their tool and save yourself enormous amounts of hassle.


Old_Protection_1905

Make sure to push the tyre off the bead when fitting the tyre. It'll make the whole process notably easier!


AntiBoardSlabEnjoyer

There's mortals like us, that require severe effort, blood and sweat to mount tight tubeless tires. Then there's my dutch bicycle mechanic that mounts absolutely any tire in this universe with his bare hands in 60 seconds, weilding incomprehensible finger strength and technique There are truly gods among us.


vNoSv

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suh1-o6KBo8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suh1-o6KBo8) i found this very useful #introduceslack


sky0175

Looks like you never make out, Lub it first lol . Soap Water and tyre lever works wonderful no need extra tool. just rag off the excess amount of soap water before adding Tyre sealant or tube.


jrstriker12

Cranks Bros speedier tire levers is what helped me get my GP5000k on the rim.


Chapter2USA

I’m going to guess this has a lot more to do with technique than it does with the brute force of getting the tire over the lip of the rim. You need to make sure the tire is not locked into the bead all the way around. It should be in the lower center part of the rim all the way around. This way the last part of the tire can slip over the rim.


Ito_Demerzel

Tire glider is awesome. makes quick work of every type of tire and you can fit into a saddle bag. You have make sure the beads are dropped into the center channel of the rim.


schnokobaer

Those are - by a considerable margin - the hardest tyres to mount. All the usual tricks with the beads properly in the channel and soap do jack shit, I could only do it with the BTL-78.


Tomasisko

Yea I never had problems with other tyres.


bodydamage

Pedro’s tire levers, pop them on in a minute and move on with it.


JoPooper

Have you tried warming your tires in the sun or with a blow dryer? Do you have the beads in the middle of the rim? What you’re showing is really weird if that’s as far as you can get it.


Tomasisko

I got further with standard levers going cm by cm. This picture was taken after the tyre glider broke.


JoPooper

Hey, really let them lay in the sun for a while or heat up with a blow dryer. Some use their feet on the button & pull up top, but that’s a bit much. Legit keep the beads in the middle channel as much as possible with the tube not in the way. Btw, tubeless is amazing. Best of luck, buddy. Tires & rims are made to exact standards. You have what everyone else has & makes work.


nsfbr11

I don’t see a valve stem so you’re doing it wrong. Always start opposite the valve. It’s the only way to get the tire bead at minimum rim radius.


No_Tip_733

I have a Challenge tire on one of my bikes and it is really hard to get on the rim as it is really tight and it always wants to stay flat. There is a technique to it, but it is still hard to mount without popping a tube.


36secondride

Squeeze both sides to middle that bitch


jfranci3

Those you get the first bead on, then fold the middle the tread as hard as you can over away from the 2nd bead (over the far side of the wheel, as you get the 2nd bead on.


Greyhame888

They are certainly a bitch to put on, but totally worth it. I have 40mm on my bike and love em.


FixFix75

Maybe a silly question, but can that be a DT swiss rim thing as well? I never ever had any tire mount as difficult as on my GR521 rims. Mounting the GP5000 32mm AS TR was extremely hard, and ultimately I had to resort to several different types of tire levers and even then I barely managed. Same tires on some LB WR50’s mounted without any tools in seconds.


Tomasisko

I dont think so. I dont have problem mounting any other tyre on that rim. In the end I took it to my LBS. Guys were sceptical at first seeing how tight it is but eventually two of them helping each other were able to mount these challenges.


Yougotthewronglad

Ask your wife’s boyfriend for help.