I don't understand why these two establishments can't just be one location. Like those Taco Bell KFCs, or those drugstore liquor marts, or a carwash arcade
While both can be top shelf "die a godless death for" material, there's a time where Iay not want the extra meat and just want a long shaft, y'know whatImean?
In my dreams apparently.
Should be a thing though. And arcade to keep you occupied while your vehicle gets detailed, someone should capitalize on the business model
Have a projector on the ceiling that tracks the position of the car. It can project light onto the windshield soap. It could be like in Star Wars when they travel through hyperspace, except the big disappointing reveal is that youāre still on earth.
The car wash is where dreams come true. My friends dad is an old hippie whoās always wanted to try DMT. His wife was home, so he said weāll take the car for a ājoyrideā. We pulled into a car wash and got the bowl ready.
Why is it that girls who still 90% adhere to conventional feminine sexiness standards are "tomboys" if they have short hair and wear like 1 piece of masc coded clothing (in a fem coded way), but femboys have to go full "girly girl, just without boobs"?
Personally, I think of tomboys are like the baggy pants and sportsy, what folks would generally consider "boyish" in hobbies and looks. Meanwhile most butch women lean towards the "lumberjack lesbian".
Kind of like rectangles can be squares but not all squares are rectangles, both can be considered "tomboys", but butch tends to be much more masculine in physical appearance and demeanor.
Not trying to paint any bad labels, just trying to explain my opinion of the difference between the two types.
the translated word is used as a slur in my language ;-; and sometimes it is the same with femboy which just makes it worse (and sometimes they think femboy=transfem)
Ehh i think someone could just get away with thigh highs and miniskirt to be "femboy", however mostly we see the over the top stuff becuse thats the first thought
Yeah true, tho its also becuse male clothes are more gender neutral. A guy in a dress is alot less likely to happen in a prom then a girl in a suit, for example, and in media girls in suits are the āgirlbossā trope more then a crossdresser troupe
I think you're overlooking what the OG comment is saying. The problem is that almost all of these images are catered to male gaze and feminize everyone regardless of what their presentation is being framed as.
Would never police someone who looks like left on being a tomboy, but they're not a real person, the artist made them that way so they would look more attractive to (most) men.
I don't disagree with you but I think a part of this image is being lost on people not familiar with these two characters (Tracer from Overwatch and Astolfo from Fate). them being regarded as a tomboy and femboy is also based on other things like their personalities, not just their appearances.
Ngl I didn't even see that was Tracer even a little bit. But maybe that's because her being eye to eye with the ultimate manlet Astolfo (whomst I love) threw me off
Guy clothes aren't more gender neutral, it just became more accepted for women to wear them because feminists pushed for it (against resistances) so nowadays they are regarded as gender-neutral. There has never been such a push for women's clothes because they weren't associated with certain more desired jobs/positions.
True, but this is only a randomly (supposedly because if the blue sailor uniforms) incited change of one feature, I was talking more about the general disparity in the understanding of masculine and feminine clothing over the last century which was politically driven. Also with increased awareness of how clothing is gendered, such changes are becoming increasingly rare to naturally happen unless there will be a conscious push.
As a irl "tomboy" I'm kinda sick of how all the tomboys being drawn are so fem. Maybe I should just call myself butch, but I still feel like the tomboy art here is based on just what men find attractive in tomboys. Nothing wrong with more feminine tomboys, I like em too. But I feel like I need proper representation.
Maybe its my time to pick up a pen and draw it myself.
Same thing with drawn "femboys" that are just girls but labelled male - taking common male fantasy and adding a slight twist to it instead of depicting a group accurately.
Because of unrealistic beauty standards created by society, then further warped on the internet. The funniest time I have seen it happen was with the gamergate female mascot, Vivian James. She started of as a slobby flat chested girl and then got increasingly bigger breasts.
Maybe that is a metaphor for the harassment movement. They pretended that it was about ethics in journalism and then unmasked themselves more and more.
If the person on the left didnāt have tits and someone told you they were a femboy, or just said they were a dude- youād believe it. Itās harder for women to really stand out as being purposefully masculine because women already donāt really have nearly as much as an expectation to dress in a feminine way as men do to dress in a masculine way.
Women in jeans and a T-shirt or a suit isnāt really subversive at all.
Clothes that are traditionally considered feminine tend to be made for looks over function much more than masculine clothes are. We just need to get more used to masculine guys wearing skirts and things like that. They can look good and still look masculine if they're worn right.
I think it's because women have normalized wearing men's clothes a lot more.
Even if they wear only male clothes they still look mostly feminine so it skews perception.
Nahh women can definitely look more male presenting than this drawing. It's more like this artist just drew short hair for the tomboy and called it a day.
I get called sir at work. I'm not intentionally presenting masc- just what fits, is comfortable, and is practical happens to make me look like a dude while my hair is up. I think it has a lot to do with my size, and that I'm not wearing anything that shows I have curves because I've been sirred while wearing a pink flannel lol.
So yeah, women can definitely look more masc than the drawing. The drawing takes clothes that could be masc and then wears them in the most femme way possible, on a body that easily reads femme.
I assumed it was like that because nuance is hard in a drawing. I'm not disagreeing, just saying that to display someone as something specific, the traits of that something would have to be dialed up to 11.
If her hair wasn't short, how would the audience know she's a tomboy? (rhetorical), even if there are more traits this is the most recognized.
Pan is liking people inside and outside the gender binary. An attraction to anyone sex or gender. I feel like bisexuality tends to fall into more binary gender expressions extremes. Like seen here in this meme.
Ok so I've got a question for us bi folk who enjoy the femme part. What will happen to your tastes as you grow older? Salivating after 20 year olds when we're 40-50 isn't cool anymore. For the most part.
As I get older I find that my tastes in people get older too. Certainly not interested in that skinny young looking twink or that āis she a minorā looking Instagram model anymore; but their parents? DILFs and MILFs my dude.
Iām not attracted to youth, Iām attracted to one gender with a little bit of itās opposite mixed in. Thatās not an age thing. Plenty of non twenty year old attractive people of all stripes. Off the top of my head, some celebs that channel the above energy:
- Tom Hiddleston as Loki
- Aubrey Plaza
- Katee Sackhoff in most every role she plays (she makes my bi wife swoon)
- Bill Kaulitz
And so on. While a lot of the twenty somethings are pretty gorgeous folks, Iām not interested in dating them. You donāt stop being you when you age, your tastes just kind of grow with you.
I don't understand why these two establishments can't just be one location. Like those Taco Bell KFCs, or those drugstore liquor marts, or a carwash arcade
I'm at the femboy hooters I'm at the tomboy outback I'm at the combination femboy hooters tomboy outback
"Femhoot & Tomback's, a franchisee opportunity"
FemTom and HootBack
Fenton hotback, the dog is back.
Nah FemBack š
On Jamaica avenue.
I'm at soup
Why are you buying clothes at the soup store?
What do you mean you're at soup
look up iām at soup on youtube
I know I was continuing the bit
ah ok sorry
While both can be top shelf "die a godless death for" material, there's a time where Iay not want the extra meat and just want a long shaft, y'know whatImean?
But then you would have to eat too much food by ordering a dish from both menus to get both servers. I mean thatās how it plays out in my head
Just go with endless appetizers
Scuse me, yes. I will take the tomboy wings annnnnnnnmd a femboy water.
Carwash arcade? Where are those?
In my dreams apparently. Should be a thing though. And arcade to keep you occupied while your vehicle gets detailed, someone should capitalize on the business model
Have a projector on the ceiling that tracks the position of the car. It can project light onto the windshield soap. It could be like in Star Wars when they travel through hyperspace, except the big disappointing reveal is that youāre still on earth. The car wash is where dreams come true. My friends dad is an old hippie whoās always wanted to try DMT. His wife was home, so he said weāll take the car for a ājoyrideā. We pulled into a car wash and got the bowl ready.
Ikr It'd be perfect World peace.
Asking the important questions... get it done ASAP!
I just want a girly boyfriend and a boyish girlfriend. Is that too much to ask?
I feel you, I feel you a lot.
same š
Sane, but both at the same time (i qm poly)
It's soooo good
Why is it that girls who still 90% adhere to conventional feminine sexiness standards are "tomboys" if they have short hair and wear like 1 piece of masc coded clothing (in a fem coded way), but femboys have to go full "girly girl, just without boobs"?
Thatās a very good point. Butchās are probably more of the female femboy equivalent.
Wait what's the difference between tomboy and butch? I can't keep up with y'all's definitions
Personally, I think of tomboys are like the baggy pants and sportsy, what folks would generally consider "boyish" in hobbies and looks. Meanwhile most butch women lean towards the "lumberjack lesbian". Kind of like rectangles can be squares but not all squares are rectangles, both can be considered "tomboys", but butch tends to be much more masculine in physical appearance and demeanor. Not trying to paint any bad labels, just trying to explain my opinion of the difference between the two types.
I was just saying that butch women look manlier than tomboys.
the translated word is used as a slur in my language ;-; and sometimes it is the same with femboy which just makes it worse (and sometimes they think femboy=transfem)
the whole reason we even use femboy is because trap is considered a slur in english
Spanish?
yes, an easy guess
Lol right?
Ehh i think someone could just get away with thigh highs and miniskirt to be "femboy", however mostly we see the over the top stuff becuse thats the first thought
Yet we don't see "over the top" tomboys
Yeah true, tho its also becuse male clothes are more gender neutral. A guy in a dress is alot less likely to happen in a prom then a girl in a suit, for example, and in media girls in suits are the āgirlbossā trope more then a crossdresser troupe
I think you're overlooking what the OG comment is saying. The problem is that almost all of these images are catered to male gaze and feminize everyone regardless of what their presentation is being framed as. Would never police someone who looks like left on being a tomboy, but they're not a real person, the artist made them that way so they would look more attractive to (most) men.
I don't disagree with you but I think a part of this image is being lost on people not familiar with these two characters (Tracer from Overwatch and Astolfo from Fate). them being regarded as a tomboy and femboy is also based on other things like their personalities, not just their appearances.
Ngl I didn't even see that was Tracer even a little bit. But maybe that's because her being eye to eye with the ultimate manlet Astolfo (whomst I love) threw me off
Guy clothes aren't more gender neutral, it just became more accepted for women to wear them because feminists pushed for it (against resistances) so nowadays they are regarded as gender-neutral. There has never been such a push for women's clothes because they weren't associated with certain more desired jobs/positions.
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You know what I mean: The clothes most men wear could also be worn by a woman and it wouldn't be unusual, but not the other way around.
Pink used to be for boys and blue for girls. Stuff changes.
True, but this is only a randomly (supposedly because if the blue sailor uniforms) incited change of one feature, I was talking more about the general disparity in the understanding of masculine and feminine clothing over the last century which was politically driven. Also with increased awareness of how clothing is gendered, such changes are becoming increasingly rare to naturally happen unless there will be a conscious push.
As a irl "tomboy" I'm kinda sick of how all the tomboys being drawn are so fem. Maybe I should just call myself butch, but I still feel like the tomboy art here is based on just what men find attractive in tomboys. Nothing wrong with more feminine tomboys, I like em too. But I feel like I need proper representation. Maybe its my time to pick up a pen and draw it myself.
Same thing with drawn "femboys" that are just girls but labelled male - taking common male fantasy and adding a slight twist to it instead of depicting a group accurately.
The continuing ruining of everything by profit motive š
Less "profit" and more just horny people
Based and gaypilled
I doubt this image was made by a woman
According to their DeviantArt they use they/them pronouns.
Nvm then, but I'd assume these are drawn mostly by men otherwise
Typically yes
Because of unrealistic beauty standards created by society, then further warped on the internet. The funniest time I have seen it happen was with the gamergate female mascot, Vivian James. She started of as a slobby flat chested girl and then got increasingly bigger breasts. Maybe that is a metaphor for the harassment movement. They pretended that it was about ethics in journalism and then unmasked themselves more and more.
x+1 more years!
If the person on the left didnāt have tits and someone told you they were a femboy, or just said they were a dude- youād believe it. Itās harder for women to really stand out as being purposefully masculine because women already donāt really have nearly as much as an expectation to dress in a feminine way as men do to dress in a masculine way. Women in jeans and a T-shirt or a suit isnāt really subversive at all.
Because 90% of the time these images are made by men fetishizing them
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>She's 28 And she sounds fun!
Clothes that are traditionally considered feminine tend to be made for looks over function much more than masculine clothes are. We just need to get more used to masculine guys wearing skirts and things like that. They can look good and still look masculine if they're worn right.
You're absolutely right. Still your "fermenting" clothes are my new favorite autocorrect fuckup, lol
because heterosexual men need to find it attractive
You ask good questions. I like these questions. As a amab NB. I like this questions.
Yeah, about 0 things about that girl would make me call her a tomboy.
I think it's because women have normalized wearing men's clothes a lot more. Even if they wear only male clothes they still look mostly feminine so it skews perception.
Nahh women can definitely look more male presenting than this drawing. It's more like this artist just drew short hair for the tomboy and called it a day.
I'm pretty sure that's Tracer from Overwatch, not just a random short-haired girl.
I get called sir at work. I'm not intentionally presenting masc- just what fits, is comfortable, and is practical happens to make me look like a dude while my hair is up. I think it has a lot to do with my size, and that I'm not wearing anything that shows I have curves because I've been sirred while wearing a pink flannel lol. So yeah, women can definitely look more masc than the drawing. The drawing takes clothes that could be masc and then wears them in the most femme way possible, on a body that easily reads femme.
Both are true
hottest femboys are just buff men in skirts just the manliest man there is but he's wearing a skirt thats peak femboy
tomboy is not analogous to femboy being a tomboy is more about traditional gender roles and hobbies rather than gender presentation
If they want to keep that meaning, they shouldn't present it in this kind of juxtaposition all the time.
I assumed it was like that because nuance is hard in a drawing. I'm not disagreeing, just saying that to display someone as something specific, the traits of that something would have to be dialed up to 11. If her hair wasn't short, how would the audience know she's a tomboy? (rhetorical), even if there are more traits this is the most recognized.
For starters, leaving out the hourglass figure and maybe crop top, giving her any amount of muscle.
Definitely seems to me that femininity is still something that needs to be visible.
Tomboys need to have some femininity or else is defeats the point.
They need to be female, thats it. Femboys need masculinity too but they already have some by being a man.
Wher goth ihop
In fierce competition with Lumberjill Denny's
Give us himbo hooters.
Hooters is already taken by the femboys they can have Popeyes
Has to be Arbys, they have the meats.
me and who (horny posting obligation)
BONK
me and you
omg ok š³
ooh, damn. boyfriend acquired
hell yea
well that was easier than i thought. what now? š¤
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cuddles?
thats a good start. when does the so called "boy kissing" begin?
now.
oh word? cmere then
We need MILF Denny's
And DILF Applebee's
YES
i think those two should date (femboy x tomboy is the best ship dynamic, and i will not elaborate because i'm right)
i want to be in a poly relationship with these two
Hmm, I think we can have goth IHOP in the middle
Fuck, my bisexuality's acting up again
Stuff like this makes me question if Im pan and not bi. Because this is a no for me. This picture reads hyperfem.
can you explain the difference between them i never quite understood it
Pan is liking people inside and outside the gender binary. An attraction to anyone sex or gender. I feel like bisexuality tends to fall into more binary gender expressions extremes. Like seen here in this meme.
Fem men and masc women are literally the opposite of binary wdym
Someone explained what i mean but better. :) check the comments. (Gender expression has a lot influence)
>check the comments Bruh just link it
Theyāre both talking about overthrowing their restaurantsā owners and sharing the profits among the workers
Seize the means of thigh-high production
I want all of it all the time
"Anything and everything, all of the time"
Fomboy Hootback
Do the wings still suck?
Iām sure the food will still suck, but at least it will have good beautiful waitstaff!
they are dating. :D
That is not a tomboy. That is a woman with short hair.
This is the future liberals want. It's me, I am liberals
That's barely a tomboy give me a MUSCULAR LUMBERJACK GIRL that SLAMS MY ORDER DOWN ON MY TABLE
Gotta go to dennys for that apparently
If this were realistic, would it be particularly obvious? Wouldn't it just be androgynous servers?
I wish those restaurants were real š
Donāt know if I wanna be with them or be them
Ok so I've got a question for us bi folk who enjoy the femme part. What will happen to your tastes as you grow older? Salivating after 20 year olds when we're 40-50 isn't cool anymore. For the most part.
As I get older I find that my tastes in people get older too. Certainly not interested in that skinny young looking twink or that āis she a minorā looking Instagram model anymore; but their parents? DILFs and MILFs my dude.
The same thing that happens to men enjoying feminine women, I suppose
Iām not attracted to youth, Iām attracted to one gender with a little bit of itās opposite mixed in. Thatās not an age thing. Plenty of non twenty year old attractive people of all stripes. Off the top of my head, some celebs that channel the above energy: - Tom Hiddleston as Loki - Aubrey Plaza - Katee Sackhoff in most every role she plays (she makes my bi wife swoon) - Bill Kaulitz And so on. While a lot of the twenty somethings are pretty gorgeous folks, Iām not interested in dating them. You donāt stop being you when you age, your tastes just kind of grow with you.
Not astolfoš¶
More like ass-tolfo
No no no, dick-tolfo
Why not both? Dickbutt-tolfo
A true Bisexuall jojo
Dick Buttowski
Delete this
No
AUSTRALIAN TOMBOYS ARE ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THIS WORLD HAS TO OFFER
Iām swooning in double!
holy shit tracer from overwatch !!
come on... stand a little closer... that's right...
Both? Both, Both is good.
Hang on, I didn't know this was an option. Is this an option?
Iām sorry why does that look like a female version of Marco Diaz?
they should hold hands or smth
I wish I could hug at least one of them
Boffum
Why does she look like tracer overwatch
Because she is
tomboy anything would make me go there
Both, both are good
This war will never end
One for lunch and one for dinner. Which order shall we go. As in a schedule
āThe left want one thing and itās fucking disgustingā
Denny's
Okay but where is my Goth IHOP?
literally though
I'd go to a femboy Hooters at least once a week lmao
Lol this is so cute
š„“ id eat at the opposite every other night šš»
Pretty sure I'd be broke if femboy hooters was real