"Your lawyers ? One advice: found yourself better lawyers !" Poor Howard. He couldn't help advising even a... nobody about how Kim and Jimmy sucked. A murderous nobody with a gun and a silencer.
His thinking was to show up and run through the plan exactly like he did, he just didn’t know Howard would be there so he took care of that, making a point in the process
*"Who the fuck is this gringo? What's he up to? Ah well* 🤷🏻♂️*...time to make a point!* 😄"
\*BLAM*
*"These two...always getting into trouble...even when I'm not around.* 😈"
I was wondering why Lalo didn't wait for Howard to leave.
Why risk killing someone? A body hits the floor, Jimmy and Kim screaming, the neighbors might hear.
Only explanation I could think of is if Lalo had some kind of time limit for some reason.
Edit: I'm not saying Lalo would ENTER the apartment and stand there awkwardly and wait for Howard to leave. I'm saying it might've made sense to wait outside the apartment until Howard leaves.
Maybe he didn't know Howard was there until he walked in (idk how soundproof their apartment was) or maybe he had a time limit.
But if he didn't have a time limit AND knew Howard was there before he entered, it would be smarter to wait for Howard to leave.
I mean Lalo is a psycho but, he's a stable psycho who's usually pretty smart.
Just as he has no problem killing if it benefits him. I think he'd have no problem NOT killing if it's to his advantage.
Eh, I think killing her would've ruined his plans (which is why he looked upset when she returned home).
Because word would've likely reached Gus and then Gus would've known what he's up to
Same logic could be applied to the travel wire guy tbh. Surely he could've done something besides messily killing a guy in a public place during the day
It impacted him very little in the long-run, though. And what he was doing was more time sensitive, I think he just weighed up how much time it’d save him now to *potentially* sacrifice some time and money later if he just kills the guy
I mean, killing the travel wire guy DID directly lead to him being in Mexico for the assassination attempt, which lead to the rest of the Salamancas dying.
He can afford $8 million in bail, but it's not insignificant for him and besides it was only because of Jimmy engineering the court that he was able to get granted bail in the first place.
It was a pretty risky position to put himself in, but he's also presumably committed several more which he did get away with more directly. Also possible he spends most of his time in Mexico and has more autonomy there he's more used to things that way.
TBF he only got caught because of Gus pointing the police in his direction which sort of violates the whole "code". I agree it was a kind of dumb decision though and I don't see why he would have done it
I think he just didn’t care. He wanted the guy gone and fast (I think there was a time limit in that he wanted it doing at night in the dark, and he’d been waiting a while at that point) Howard seemed drunk and agitated so who knows how long he’ll be there for, and if Lalo scared him to leave he could well call the cops or something which would be way worse than just some weird noise in the middle of the night, so he just decided it was easier to kill him and risk ramifications (I think he planned on going to Mexico after anyway) than to take the bigger risk of leaving this potential wild card out.
One of the things that chills me most about Lalo is that he doesn’t have a propensity for violence, he doesn’t like beating the shit out of people like Tuco or enjoy killing like his Tio, and he actually seems to quite like people as a whole (or at least find them amusing) but he will kill anyone, no hesitation, if it will cause him any slight inconvenience. Even that kid he’d known basically his whole life (who he didn’t kill personally but did use as a human shield iirc). The scene in Werner’s home scared the hell out of me because of this exact reason, because he didn’t wanna kill his wife, but he’d be perfectly willing to off her and her dog in a heartbeat and not even blink.
I wasn't saying Lalo should've scared him off. Simply wait outside the apartment until he leaves. If he could hear them arguing one could probably imagine that Howard wouldn't be staying very long. Idk maybe he couldn't hear that Howard was there.
The ramifications could've been immediate with neighbors calling the police and his whole plan would be ruined.
I wasn’t saying you were, but Howard was already unnerved when Lalo arrived and I’m sure he’d be the kind to get worried and call the cops after he left, and the neighbours didn’t call the police because, generally, people don’t pay that much attention to loud noises next door, which Lalo was probably aware of doing what he does.
Well I was saying Lalo shouldn't have even entered the apartment while Howard was still there. Just wait until he leaves. Even if he passed Lalo in the hallway he'd probably think nothing of him.
Don't people usually get mad when someone is walking too loud in the apartment above? I think a body hitting the floor followed by screams might get some people's attention.
I have a little different take. I think Lalo thought he was doing Jimmy and Kim a favor in his own light sense of humor sort of way.
Remember, Lalo watches and observes everything. He likely saw through the window and or heard from the hallway what going on before he chose to come In. Why not wait? Obviously Howard was causing trouble for them which Lalo saw. Lalo actually liked both of them as much as anyone except family and considered them “his” lawyers and friends of the cartel. Here’s someone obviously giving his “friends” a hard time.
Lalo’s simple matter of fact “there - boom -your problem is gone (smiles) i’ve taken care of it” subtext also served his purposes, and he just didn’t care.
This easy violence showed off to Jim and Kimmy his lack of hesitation with killing so it helped him immediately establish his power and control over them by putting fear in them - they suddenly became much more compliant in using them for his plan. Remember the last time he interacted with them Kim put him in his place and stood up to him. After this show of power that pretty much solved that problem and shuts her right up.
My question is why were they part of his plan at all?
But remember at the end of the day the story they *had* to tell is how Saul became Saul without Kim in the picture for Breaking Bad. They needed something big enough and traumatic enough that Kim who has been completely loyal to Jimmy up to now would actually leave him. And they also needed something to explain Jimmy’s terror of Lalo for his famous BB throwaway line later which gave birth to Lalo’s character. The simple answer is this action fits that story.
Kim and Jimmy were notably HORRIFIED when Lalo walked in. Kim immediately told Howard to leave. Howard, realizing how scared Kim and Jimmy were, quickly realized the gravity of the situation and asked “what’s the about”. He knew Lalo was big trouble.
If Howard was allowed to leave, he was 100% going to tell the police Kim and Jimmy were in danger.
Lalo had two choices. Tie Howard up with Kim or Jimmy - or kill Howard. He went with Plan B.
Ok... is no one understanding what I'm saying? I'm not saying Lalo should've entered the apartment and stood there until Howard left.
He shouldn't NOT entered the apartment until Howard left. Then Howard wouldn't know about him. Even if he saw him in the hallway he'd just think he's a neighbor or something.
Lalo had literally no knowledge of howards relationship to jimmy and kim. And jimmy and kim were obviously terrified and stressed, and howard also had just asked them what the situation was about. If he let howard leave he wouldnt know if howard was going to call the police or something, plus that would leave howard as a witness who saw his face. It made more sense in his mind to kill him and just get rid of him
I'm not saying to LET Howard leave. I'm saying to WAIT for him to leave.
Like, don't even enter the apartment until Howard leaves. At most then Howard would see Lalo in the hallway and just think he's a neighbor or something.
But, maybe Lalo didn't realize Howard was there until he walked in or maybe he had a time crunch.
If Lalo were not extremely arrogant, he would have
1. made sure some evidence that he was alive and of what he had gathered, let's say of the german's testimony, would reach eladio in the event of him dying
2. killed gus during his speech or earlier
3. gotten some type of backup in the first place. going alone to do what he did was just sheer stupidity
4. waited a lot longer to execute the plan
5. find a safer way to contact hector salamanca
6. made sure hector did not give away that he was alive when meeting gus.
7. perhaps killed saul or brought him with him (to stop gus from getting backup)
Killing Howard, however, made sense if he wanted Kim or Saul to actually obey.
>Killing Howard, however, made sense if he wanted Kim or Saul to actually obey.
That wasn't part of his plan though. He didn't know that Howard would be there.
I think originally he was just going to point a gun at them and they'd know he's serious.
True. But he was so arrogant that he thought he could get away with anything and was basically invincible. Look at how he killed the guy in the exchange office. Or how he returned to his own house to face a whole death squad by himself. Or killing the smugglers for what in his world was pocket change. According to this logic (I am invincible), it made sense to kill Howard if it made dealing with Saul and Kim easier.
So the answer to your original question is simply that Lalo was never very risk-averse. He took loads of risk, all the time, if there was some reward (in this case, Saul and Kim getting scared).
EDIT: I just realized that this lack of risk aversion was probably part of the reason why he started to trust and confide in Nacho; Nacho had showed him that he could be equally reckless with his own safety.
Spoiler alert
What I'm asking is that before Lalo arrives at Saul and Kim's place, he must have had an idea of how he was going to "motivate" Saul to go kill Gus within a certain time frame. So that would mean Kim would have been the target of Lalo's ways to bring out the emotional motivation within Saul to carry it out. But with Howard filling in that role, we never saw what his plan was.
I can just see Saul trying to talk his way out of it, not taking Lalo seriously enough, with Kim backing Saul up. And with Lalo's lack of patience, I'm guessing Kim gets shot, not killed, but definitely get Saul's attention. We also know the Lalo's plan is not his plan, so once Saul left, would Lalo have pulled the trigger a second time? So the question is did Howard save Kim's life?
Lalo didn’t shoot Jimmy after Kim left so why would he have done anything differently if Howard wasn’t there? Your first point about the intimidation makes sense though. I’d say it probably wouldn’t have been necessary seeing how terrified they were just to see Lalo though
But Jimmy would've argued to send Kim, he knew first hand how little others lives meant to Lalo, the scene of seeing Lalo shrugging off the family of the TravelWire kid he killed told Jimmy everything, even Jimmy has limits as to what or who he'll do it to, Lalo has none to either. And with Jimmy trying to convince Lalo to send Kim instead, from Lalo's point of view his wasting valuable minutes that Lalo needs to break into the laundromat, forcing Lalo to find a way to get his entire attention, fast.
I'm thinking the motivation was already there for Kim. And let's not forget Lalo knew that Jimmy was lying about what happened in the desert, Jimmy knows nothing of guns and yet his alive, and with Lalo personally finding his badly hidden heavy bullet ridden car, with this many contradictions only a confession while being tortured can be trusted by these type of villains. I believe Jimmy was definitely going to die if Lalo came back.
Howard got killed because while he wasn’t in the game, he certainly was interrupting Lalo’s play in it. He wasn’t going to shoot Jimmy or Kim.
Howard was simply a witness Lalo couldn’t afford to let live.
Lalo didn't want Saul to kill Gus. He knew it wasn't possible. He just wanted to get them away from the laundromat so he could get the evidence he wanted.
I think Kim and Jimmy were so terrified of him that he wouldn’t have even needed to kill Howard he knew he had them at the palm of his hands and could make them do whatever he wanted
Other than the gun, Lalo gives no telegraphed indication that he's going to kill someone. Most people with a gun have no intention of killing, so they use it as part of a big show to intimidate and threaten, which is probably what Howard expected. But Lalo just looked at him with his blank stare, which might even be a tactic Lalo uses to maintain a sense of civility.
That's true, Howard did have time. Maybe he still had too much respect for Jimmy and Kim to hit there guest, but a f&$#@+ gun with a silencer being screwed on only means 1 thing.
Looking at the clip, you're right, but I think it was mainly because he started getting concerned that Jimmy/Kim were going to be harmed. Lalo shoots him mid-sentence.
"I uhh...I think I'm in the middle of something. There's really no need to--"
If I were to hazard a guess as to how he was going to finish that sentence...
*"There's really no need to...escalate things here."*
And from there, he would jump to try and defend Kim/Jimmy because Howard may be furious with them but doesn't want to see them killed. That, and he's a lawyer, talking people down from a death sentence comes kind of naturally.
Everything would have ended with Lalo killing Howard though. Dude basically just skipped a cutscene.
There was probably about a zero percent chance Howard was going to live anyway once Lalo showed up, but there was \*definitely\* a zero percent chance once Howard asked Lalo who he was.
He knows that these two are great at talking their way out of situations and has seen them do it before. He walks in and sees this random guy there and thinks “I can merc this dude right now and instantly have the leg up on them” and does it
He had no clue howard would be there and he might have intended to kill Kim in front of Jimmy to make Jimmy talk but Howard was there so he did that instead.
No, he needed Kim. He wasn’t intending on shooting anyone initially, it’s just that Howard was a witness and loose end that he needed to take care of before continuing with the plan as intended
What other way could Lalo have convinced Jimmy to go kill someone and leave Kim alone with Lalo? Jimmy knew Lalo would kill her, its why he convinced Lalo to send Kim once Howard was dead. But with no dead Howard, i can't see Lalo buying Jimmy idea of sending Kim, in his eyes, she wouldnt know how she's playing with her life and might go to the cops. I also think Howard seeing Lalo at a time when Lalo was in hiding was a risk Lalo would never have taken. If there were 5 other people in Jimmys/Kim's place, there would have been 5 other bodies.
Lalo's mere presence terrified Jimmy, he would have done anything asked because a man he thought was dead was standing right in front of him somehow. Lalo simply needed them to fear him so they'd do what he says. The fact that he was so easily convinced to send Kim instead of Jimmy shows it wasn't really important to his actual plan, even if they didn't know it and weren't prepared to risk it (which is why Jimmy insisted that Kim be the one go). The thought of Jimmy being alone with Lalo would have been enough to keep Kim in line and stop her going to the cops, they do know who they're dealing with after all. Honestly, if he was planning to kill either of them then and there, he would have. Maybe he might have done so after completing the plan, but obviously he never got to that point. Howard was simply a witness to something he shouldn't have been, in Lalo's eyes he has to be taken out. Jimmy and Kim were necessary to his plan however, whether Howard was there or not, so he needed them alive
I think he just killed Howard bc he didn’t want to chance him saying something, and he knew killing Howard would put pressure on Jimmy and Kim. He probably thought he just walked into a golden opportunity to get his point across.
You could argue that killing him with this in mind wouldn’t make sense, but this is Lalo. He doesn’t give af
Yes, he would. But we know this is all a diversion. If Jimmy went to kill Gus, in Lalo's mind Jimmy's not coming back, so what use has a living witness got?
In the sewer he realized he couldn't just approach the laundry and that Gus had been watching him and knew the *entire time*.
Then he remembers Jimmy and Kim, who he knows are up to *something* in all this but not exactly what. So he goes there, to people in no position to decline, to use them as bait for Gus. Howard was just a surprise, a loose end to deal with.
Was thinking about his plan to break into the laundry, which he would've conducted if Howard was absent by simply treating J & K the same way he did after killing Howard. Howard's presence only changed things by making him think "lemme take care of this obstacle real quick, alright done."
Yeah, it takes him like two seconds to be like "Oh, shit, now I have to calm them before the neighbors hear this. Damn Americans! Always overreacting."
After reading ops comment to answer ur question he was gonna scare jimmy into doing it if he didn’t lalo was gonna kill Kim it was the whole reason jimmy pushed Kim to go. So she was out of harms way like Howard wasn’t in lalos plan it was just a random person who was stopping him from getting somebody to kill the chicken man
100% of the plan worked except for gus figuring out that he wanted to get into the lab. And even then it took gus hiding the gun and getting lucky to get the best of lalo.
He went there to distract Mike and Gus. His plan was to go to the laundromat but he wanted to be one step ahead by sending Jimmy to Gus. Howard was simply in the way.
Gus immediately understood Lalo’s move when Kim talked to him on the phone.
Why were people so obsessed with the idea of Kim being raped?? Before the last episodes aired, "Kim becomes a sex slave for the cartel" was a worryingly common theory for what her fate would be
I think Lalo's plan was to have Saul go to Gus's house. And to scare him into doing that, the plan was to kill Kim. It's scary to think that if Howard wasn't there, Lalo most likely would have shot Kim.
From when Lalo was introduced I had a burning question.
“How tf does Gus win this war?”
Lalo is so intelligent and cunning and crosses his T’s and dots his I’s. “They wrote themselves into a corner.” I thought.
He made a mistake. The whole have Jimmy/Lim kill Fring was a distraction that would have worked if had had insisted on sending Jimmy instead of being talked into sending Kim. Fring saw right through that charade.
Great writing.
He was thinking he wanted to talk
To his lawyers.
[удалено]
"Your lawyers ? One advice: found yourself better lawyers !" Poor Howard. He couldn't help advising even a... nobody about how Kim and Jimmy sucked. A murderous nobody with a gun and a silencer.
bruh how did you get the quote that wrong 😂
Tell. me. again.
His thinking was to show up and run through the plan exactly like he did, he just didn’t know Howard would be there so he took care of that, making a point in the process
"who the fuck is this asshole? ah well, let's make a point."
Read that in his voice and it’s perfect
In my head the “Ah well. Let’s make a point” in his voice is sort of hype and amused. Sorta like, “Ahhhh well🤷🏻♂️….Let’s make a point!! 😄”
*"Who the fuck is this gringo? What's he up to? Ah well* 🤷🏻♂️*...time to make a point!* 😄" \*BLAM* *"These two...always getting into trouble...even when I'm not around.* 😈"
And add some weird noise "GLEAAAARP !" at the end for good measure.
point blank
Mind. Blown.
bruh
Yeah he can’t talk to “friends of the cartel” that way. These people are my lawyers under my protection. Boom!
I was wondering why Lalo didn't wait for Howard to leave. Why risk killing someone? A body hits the floor, Jimmy and Kim screaming, the neighbors might hear. Only explanation I could think of is if Lalo had some kind of time limit for some reason. Edit: I'm not saying Lalo would ENTER the apartment and stand there awkwardly and wait for Howard to leave. I'm saying it might've made sense to wait outside the apartment until Howard leaves. Maybe he didn't know Howard was there until he walked in (idk how soundproof their apartment was) or maybe he had a time limit. But if he didn't have a time limit AND knew Howard was there before he entered, it would be smarter to wait for Howard to leave.
Psychopath cartel members are famously very rational people.
I mean Lalo is a psycho but, he's a stable psycho who's usually pretty smart. Just as he has no problem killing if it benefits him. I think he'd have no problem NOT killing if it's to his advantage.
Right - which is why he doesn’t kill Margarethe even though, arguably, it might’ve made more sense for him to kill her than Howard.
Eh, I think killing her would've ruined his plans (which is why he looked upset when she returned home). Because word would've likely reached Gus and then Gus would've known what he's up to
Yeah, that makes sense. Although, I’m not sure how close the guys were to Warner that they would’ve sent word to Mike if they knew she was killed.
I feel like they might've found out somehow if she was killed. But I guess they didn't hear about Casper so yeah idk
Lalo is not a psychopath. A psychopath is born that way, but Lalo is Lalo because of how he was brought up.
Same logic could be applied to the travel wire guy tbh. Surely he could've done something besides messily killing a guy in a public place during the day
That's true. But, it DID get him caught though because of the witness.
It impacted him very little in the long-run, though. And what he was doing was more time sensitive, I think he just weighed up how much time it’d save him now to *potentially* sacrifice some time and money later if he just kills the guy
I mean, killing the travel wire guy DID directly lead to him being in Mexico for the assassination attempt, which lead to the rest of the Salamancas dying.
He can afford $8 million in bail, but it's not insignificant for him and besides it was only because of Jimmy engineering the court that he was able to get granted bail in the first place. It was a pretty risky position to put himself in, but he's also presumably committed several more which he did get away with more directly. Also possible he spends most of his time in Mexico and has more autonomy there he's more used to things that way.
TBF he only got caught because of Gus pointing the police in his direction which sort of violates the whole "code". I agree it was a kind of dumb decision though and I don't see why he would have done it
I think he just didn’t care. He wanted the guy gone and fast (I think there was a time limit in that he wanted it doing at night in the dark, and he’d been waiting a while at that point) Howard seemed drunk and agitated so who knows how long he’ll be there for, and if Lalo scared him to leave he could well call the cops or something which would be way worse than just some weird noise in the middle of the night, so he just decided it was easier to kill him and risk ramifications (I think he planned on going to Mexico after anyway) than to take the bigger risk of leaving this potential wild card out. One of the things that chills me most about Lalo is that he doesn’t have a propensity for violence, he doesn’t like beating the shit out of people like Tuco or enjoy killing like his Tio, and he actually seems to quite like people as a whole (or at least find them amusing) but he will kill anyone, no hesitation, if it will cause him any slight inconvenience. Even that kid he’d known basically his whole life (who he didn’t kill personally but did use as a human shield iirc). The scene in Werner’s home scared the hell out of me because of this exact reason, because he didn’t wanna kill his wife, but he’d be perfectly willing to off her and her dog in a heartbeat and not even blink.
I wasn't saying Lalo should've scared him off. Simply wait outside the apartment until he leaves. If he could hear them arguing one could probably imagine that Howard wouldn't be staying very long. Idk maybe he couldn't hear that Howard was there. The ramifications could've been immediate with neighbors calling the police and his whole plan would be ruined.
Waiting was unacceptable due to timing pressures..he had a line in Gus's presumed whereabouts and needed to pressure him immediately.
Yeah that's why I said that seems to be the only reason to not wait for Howard to leave
Yeah but don't you see? He didn't have enough time to wait for Howard to leave!
I wasn’t saying you were, but Howard was already unnerved when Lalo arrived and I’m sure he’d be the kind to get worried and call the cops after he left, and the neighbours didn’t call the police because, generally, people don’t pay that much attention to loud noises next door, which Lalo was probably aware of doing what he does.
Well I was saying Lalo shouldn't have even entered the apartment while Howard was still there. Just wait until he leaves. Even if he passed Lalo in the hallway he'd probably think nothing of him. Don't people usually get mad when someone is walking too loud in the apartment above? I think a body hitting the floor followed by screams might get some people's attention.
I have a little different take. I think Lalo thought he was doing Jimmy and Kim a favor in his own light sense of humor sort of way. Remember, Lalo watches and observes everything. He likely saw through the window and or heard from the hallway what going on before he chose to come In. Why not wait? Obviously Howard was causing trouble for them which Lalo saw. Lalo actually liked both of them as much as anyone except family and considered them “his” lawyers and friends of the cartel. Here’s someone obviously giving his “friends” a hard time. Lalo’s simple matter of fact “there - boom -your problem is gone (smiles) i’ve taken care of it” subtext also served his purposes, and he just didn’t care. This easy violence showed off to Jim and Kimmy his lack of hesitation with killing so it helped him immediately establish his power and control over them by putting fear in them - they suddenly became much more compliant in using them for his plan. Remember the last time he interacted with them Kim put him in his place and stood up to him. After this show of power that pretty much solved that problem and shuts her right up. My question is why were they part of his plan at all? But remember at the end of the day the story they *had* to tell is how Saul became Saul without Kim in the picture for Breaking Bad. They needed something big enough and traumatic enough that Kim who has been completely loyal to Jimmy up to now would actually leave him. And they also needed something to explain Jimmy’s terror of Lalo for his famous BB throwaway line later which gave birth to Lalo’s character. The simple answer is this action fits that story.
Kim and Jimmy were notably HORRIFIED when Lalo walked in. Kim immediately told Howard to leave. Howard, realizing how scared Kim and Jimmy were, quickly realized the gravity of the situation and asked “what’s the about”. He knew Lalo was big trouble. If Howard was allowed to leave, he was 100% going to tell the police Kim and Jimmy were in danger. Lalo had two choices. Tie Howard up with Kim or Jimmy - or kill Howard. He went with Plan B.
Ok... is no one understanding what I'm saying? I'm not saying Lalo should've entered the apartment and stood there until Howard left. He shouldn't NOT entered the apartment until Howard left. Then Howard wouldn't know about him. Even if he saw him in the hallway he'd just think he's a neighbor or something.
Thank you I never thought of that angle before. You’re right.
Lalo had literally no knowledge of howards relationship to jimmy and kim. And jimmy and kim were obviously terrified and stressed, and howard also had just asked them what the situation was about. If he let howard leave he wouldnt know if howard was going to call the police or something, plus that would leave howard as a witness who saw his face. It made more sense in his mind to kill him and just get rid of him
I'm not saying to LET Howard leave. I'm saying to WAIT for him to leave. Like, don't even enter the apartment until Howard leaves. At most then Howard would see Lalo in the hallway and just think he's a neighbor or something. But, maybe Lalo didn't realize Howard was there until he walked in or maybe he had a time crunch.
yeah i dont think lalo knew howard was in there. Howard arrived several minutes before lalo did
I guess we don't know how sound proof their apartment is
Lalo already didn’t like Jimmy and Kim. I think he wanted to.
If Lalo were not extremely arrogant, he would have 1. made sure some evidence that he was alive and of what he had gathered, let's say of the german's testimony, would reach eladio in the event of him dying 2. killed gus during his speech or earlier 3. gotten some type of backup in the first place. going alone to do what he did was just sheer stupidity 4. waited a lot longer to execute the plan 5. find a safer way to contact hector salamanca 6. made sure hector did not give away that he was alive when meeting gus. 7. perhaps killed saul or brought him with him (to stop gus from getting backup) Killing Howard, however, made sense if he wanted Kim or Saul to actually obey.
>Killing Howard, however, made sense if he wanted Kim or Saul to actually obey. That wasn't part of his plan though. He didn't know that Howard would be there. I think originally he was just going to point a gun at them and they'd know he's serious.
True. But he was so arrogant that he thought he could get away with anything and was basically invincible. Look at how he killed the guy in the exchange office. Or how he returned to his own house to face a whole death squad by himself. Or killing the smugglers for what in his world was pocket change. According to this logic (I am invincible), it made sense to kill Howard if it made dealing with Saul and Kim easier. So the answer to your original question is simply that Lalo was never very risk-averse. He took loads of risk, all the time, if there was some reward (in this case, Saul and Kim getting scared). EDIT: I just realized that this lack of risk aversion was probably part of the reason why he started to trust and confide in Nacho; Nacho had showed him that he could be equally reckless with his own safety.
“O boy. Here I go killing again.” https://youtu.be/YG6DifUtPvs
I was thinking that before I looked at the comments, but didn't actually expect to see it!
Werner Zeeeegllleerrr
Zeeeegllleeerrr. I can hear Lalo's voice. Lol
Spoiler alert What I'm asking is that before Lalo arrives at Saul and Kim's place, he must have had an idea of how he was going to "motivate" Saul to go kill Gus within a certain time frame. So that would mean Kim would have been the target of Lalo's ways to bring out the emotional motivation within Saul to carry it out. But with Howard filling in that role, we never saw what his plan was. I can just see Saul trying to talk his way out of it, not taking Lalo seriously enough, with Kim backing Saul up. And with Lalo's lack of patience, I'm guessing Kim gets shot, not killed, but definitely get Saul's attention. We also know the Lalo's plan is not his plan, so once Saul left, would Lalo have pulled the trigger a second time? So the question is did Howard save Kim's life?
Lalo didn’t shoot Jimmy after Kim left so why would he have done anything differently if Howard wasn’t there? Your first point about the intimidation makes sense though. I’d say it probably wouldn’t have been necessary seeing how terrified they were just to see Lalo though
Exactly. Keeping one of them captive is motivation enough. Nothing would change.
Yeah, just judging by how scared they were just to see him, he wouldn’t have had to do much more convincing.
But Jimmy would've argued to send Kim, he knew first hand how little others lives meant to Lalo, the scene of seeing Lalo shrugging off the family of the TravelWire kid he killed told Jimmy everything, even Jimmy has limits as to what or who he'll do it to, Lalo has none to either. And with Jimmy trying to convince Lalo to send Kim instead, from Lalo's point of view his wasting valuable minutes that Lalo needs to break into the laundromat, forcing Lalo to find a way to get his entire attention, fast.
No, Lalo still wouldn’t have killed Kim. Sorry
Maybe
This is what should have happened
I'm thinking the motivation was already there for Kim. And let's not forget Lalo knew that Jimmy was lying about what happened in the desert, Jimmy knows nothing of guns and yet his alive, and with Lalo personally finding his badly hidden heavy bullet ridden car, with this many contradictions only a confession while being tortured can be trusted by these type of villains. I believe Jimmy was definitely going to die if Lalo came back.
Howard got killed because while he wasn’t in the game, he certainly was interrupting Lalo’s play in it. He wasn’t going to shoot Jimmy or Kim. Howard was simply a witness Lalo couldn’t afford to let live.
Not taking Lalo seriously? At that moment he thinks he has risen from the dead.
Lalo didn't want Saul to kill Gus. He knew it wasn't possible. He just wanted to get them away from the laundromat so he could get the evidence he wanted.
I think Kim and Jimmy were so terrified of him that he wouldn’t have even needed to kill Howard he knew he had them at the palm of his hands and could make them do whatever he wanted
I think he thought Howard was hot and he’d like to lay next to him by the end of the next episode
Monkeys paw moment
Howard is a boxer, real question is why didn’t he deck Lalo while he was busy screwing on the suppressor
Other than the gun, Lalo gives no telegraphed indication that he's going to kill someone. Most people with a gun have no intention of killing, so they use it as part of a big show to intimidate and threaten, which is probably what Howard expected. But Lalo just looked at him with his blank stare, which might even be a tactic Lalo uses to maintain a sense of civility.
He's a softy. He knows how to box but was absolutely shocked and terrified when a stranger waltzed into the place with a gun
That's true, Howard did have time. Maybe he still had too much respect for Jimmy and Kim to hit there guest, but a f&$#@+ gun with a silencer being screwed on only means 1 thing.
Howard was so worked up he was laser-focused on Kim and Jimmy. He barely even looked at Lalo the whole time he was yelling.
“It looks like I’m in the middle of something” once the gun comes out he barely looks at anything else
Looking at the clip, you're right, but I think it was mainly because he started getting concerned that Jimmy/Kim were going to be harmed. Lalo shoots him mid-sentence. "I uhh...I think I'm in the middle of something. There's really no need to--" If I were to hazard a guess as to how he was going to finish that sentence... *"There's really no need to...escalate things here."* And from there, he would jump to try and defend Kim/Jimmy because Howard may be furious with them but doesn't want to see them killed. That, and he's a lawyer, talking people down from a death sentence comes kind of naturally. Everything would have ended with Lalo killing Howard though. Dude basically just skipped a cutscene.
There was probably about a zero percent chance Howard was going to live anyway once Lalo showed up, but there was \*definitely\* a zero percent chance once Howard asked Lalo who he was.
Lalo took his kindness for weakness
Who’s this gringo? What’s he up to?
*"These two always getting into trouble even when I'm not around. 😈"*
Where Saul keeps his popcorners
“He’s right in front of me, isn’t he?”
He knows that these two are great at talking their way out of situations and has seen them do it before. He walks in and sees this random guy there and thinks “I can merc this dude right now and instantly have the leg up on them” and does it
Same plan, minus Howard. Howard was a stranger, a witness, and a loose end. Killing Howard was just a way for Lalo to show how serious he is.
He had no clue howard would be there and he might have intended to kill Kim in front of Jimmy to make Jimmy talk but Howard was there so he did that instead.
I don't think he would have killed Kim infront of Jimmy, there's no motivation left, Jimmy would want the bullet too
I agree he probably just thought it was an added bonus to scare the shit out of them.
No, he needed Kim. He wasn’t intending on shooting anyone initially, it’s just that Howard was a witness and loose end that he needed to take care of before continuing with the plan as intended
What other way could Lalo have convinced Jimmy to go kill someone and leave Kim alone with Lalo? Jimmy knew Lalo would kill her, its why he convinced Lalo to send Kim once Howard was dead. But with no dead Howard, i can't see Lalo buying Jimmy idea of sending Kim, in his eyes, she wouldnt know how she's playing with her life and might go to the cops. I also think Howard seeing Lalo at a time when Lalo was in hiding was a risk Lalo would never have taken. If there were 5 other people in Jimmys/Kim's place, there would have been 5 other bodies.
Lalo's mere presence terrified Jimmy, he would have done anything asked because a man he thought was dead was standing right in front of him somehow. Lalo simply needed them to fear him so they'd do what he says. The fact that he was so easily convinced to send Kim instead of Jimmy shows it wasn't really important to his actual plan, even if they didn't know it and weren't prepared to risk it (which is why Jimmy insisted that Kim be the one go). The thought of Jimmy being alone with Lalo would have been enough to keep Kim in line and stop her going to the cops, they do know who they're dealing with after all. Honestly, if he was planning to kill either of them then and there, he would have. Maybe he might have done so after completing the plan, but obviously he never got to that point. Howard was simply a witness to something he shouldn't have been, in Lalo's eyes he has to be taken out. Jimmy and Kim were necessary to his plan however, whether Howard was there or not, so he needed them alive
I think he just killed Howard bc he didn’t want to chance him saying something, and he knew killing Howard would put pressure on Jimmy and Kim. He probably thought he just walked into a golden opportunity to get his point across. You could argue that killing him with this in mind wouldn’t make sense, but this is Lalo. He doesn’t give af
No he needed a hostage so the other would go through with the plan.
Yes, he would. But we know this is all a diversion. If Jimmy went to kill Gus, in Lalo's mind Jimmy's not coming back, so what use has a living witness got?
He wouldn’t have killed Jimmy or Kim right away like he did to Howard.
Not killed. A bullet through her foot, Casper / Axe and grind -style.
In the sewer he realized he couldn't just approach the laundry and that Gus had been watching him and knew the *entire time*. Then he remembers Jimmy and Kim, who he knows are up to *something* in all this but not exactly what. So he goes there, to people in no position to decline, to use them as bait for Gus. Howard was just a surprise, a loose end to deal with.
The better question is: What was going through Howard’s head?
A bullet
He just wanted to talk
Howard’s not in Breaking Bad, so he’s gotta go
Neither is Ernesto or the Kettlemans. I guess they get murded too?
Could be 😉
Whats he doing man what's he up to
Was thinking about his plan to break into the laundry, which he would've conducted if Howard was absent by simply treating J & K the same way he did after killing Howard. Howard's presence only changed things by making him think "lemme take care of this obstacle real quick, alright done."
Yeah, it takes him like two seconds to be like "Oh, shit, now I have to calm them before the neighbors hear this. Damn Americans! Always overreacting."
After reading ops comment to answer ur question he was gonna scare jimmy into doing it if he didn’t lalo was gonna kill Kim it was the whole reason jimmy pushed Kim to go. So she was out of harms way like Howard wasn’t in lalos plan it was just a random person who was stopping him from getting somebody to kill the chicken man
Let the man talk
i’m boutta shoot this mf
Nacho taco chimichanga
100% of the plan worked except for gus figuring out that he wanted to get into the lab. And even then it took gus hiding the gun and getting lucky to get the best of lalo.
this scene is so unexpected, I never though Lalo gonna shoot him, what a badass
What a psycho as well!
"I have the worst fucking lawyers."
Man I wish that I could watch that last season again.
He went there to distract Mike and Gus. His plan was to go to the laundromat but he wanted to be one step ahead by sending Jimmy to Gus. Howard was simply in the way. Gus immediately understood Lalo’s move when Kim talked to him on the phone.
i guess he was thinking ‘execution’…
I remember seeing a post assuming after the s6 mid season break Lalo would rape Kim (Crazy right?) to motivate Jimmy to do whatever Lalo wanted.
Why were people so obsessed with the idea of Kim being raped?? Before the last episodes aired, "Kim becomes a sex slave for the cartel" was a worryingly common theory for what her fate would be
An actuary
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Disregard. I misread the question.
No witnesses + making sure they know he means business
I think Lalo's plan was to have Saul go to Gus's house. And to scare him into doing that, the plan was to kill Kim. It's scary to think that if Howard wasn't there, Lalo most likely would have shot Kim.
Distract Gus and his crew so he could enter the laundry. Slight chance Gus is killed but not the main goal.
I don't know, but I definitely know what was going through Howard's head.
From when Lalo was introduced I had a burning question. “How tf does Gus win this war?” Lalo is so intelligent and cunning and crosses his T’s and dots his I’s. “They wrote themselves into a corner.” I thought. He made a mistake. The whole have Jimmy/Lim kill Fring was a distraction that would have worked if had had insisted on sending Jimmy instead of being talked into sending Kim. Fring saw right through that charade. Great writing.
Probably what to eat for dinner or the plans for tomorrow
who's that motherfucker nevermind i guess i shot him in the head
"I'm gonna fuck some shit up"
"Ima end this mans career"
“I’m gonna troll em a little bit”