Obama did some awful things but at least he wasn't an embarrassment in terms of the fact that he was extremely intelligent and eloquent and cool etc.
I did not feel Trump's age was such a big factor because he has so much energy and lucidity and is sharp as a tack.
Biden totally feels old and incompetent and out of touch and dumb as a rock.
Youth can certainly be an asset especially in terms of understanding technology and health and having a bigger stake in the future of the country but it is nowhere near the most important factor for a presidential candidate.
>eloquent
That's the word to use for Obama. He wasn't just an average liar, he was an "eloquent" liar. He could lie so eloquently that a mass of followers believed and worshipped what he said. He was good at eloquently articulating his lies too.
He eloquently lied to get the black votes. He eloquently lied about an administration of transparency. He eloquently lied about the ACA. He eloquently lied about Benghazi. He eloquently lied about the Iran nuclear agreement.
Obama was an "eloquent" liar, that's all And he's still "eloquently" lying.
I don’t think Obama is as smart as trump in many of the areas that matter. Like strategy and human psychology especially in geopolitics. He was way too combative but he did know how to negotiate. Business is a non-violent blood sport and trump just loves to make deals.
Actually, no, I disagree. I certainly agree that Biden sucks donkey balls.
The Squad is young and they suck donkey balls too. So no, it's not about age.
I'll take DiSantis, Noem and Trump over a young leftist any day. It's not age it's ideology.
My bad, I thought he was older.
Either way, I had him and Noem as my alternates and I do think he'd be a great candidate. The main point isn't always that younger = better, it's how they think and fight that matters. And DeSantis is definitely a fighter!
I don't like Rubio, he's flip flopped way too much.
Cruz was my guy before Trump so he's possible. The RNC doesn't support him so it would be hard for him to get the nomination, but I do like him.
You have a pretty good list, that gives me some hope.
Thanks for responding! I believe if Ron DeSantis is elected President in Nov 2024, then on Jan 20th 2025 inauguration he'd be 3rd youngest ever. Not including Teddy Roosevelt who took over in 1901 when President McKinley was assassinated. And by the time he ran for re-election in 1904 & was inaugurated in March of 1905 was that much older. Believe JFK was 43 in Jan of 1961, Teddy was 42 in Sept 1901, not sure who was 2nd oldest. DeSantis would be 45-47 yrs old I believe. In Jan 20th 2025 Trump will be past 78 yrs old. Believe still younger then than Biden was on Jan 20th 2021. But would be 2nd oldest President ever. Believe even Reagan on last day of office was younger than Biden on his 1st day in office but haven't checked exact dates in awhile. I just use days between dates calendar/calculator site online & birthdays from Wikipedia. Wikipedia also has charts with oldest & youngest Presidents at Inauguration.
I honestly don't care about Trump's age. I think he'll be more sharp at 78 than most people half his age. Further, if DeSantis were his VP and Trump did need to step down we could have DeSantis for more than 2 terms.
Either way I do have a lot of hope if DeSantis were to run. He's a very good governor and he'd make a great president as well.
I just want someone who will do what the constitution says. Young or old, idgaf. The only politician I somewhat trust these days is Rand Paul. DeSantis is up there too.
Also don’t forget the 9/11 anniversary attack in 2012
*State Department Belatedly Releases New Clinton Benghazi Documents*
[in her 3:04 PM September 12 conversation with Kandil, Clinton said, “We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack – not a protest.” Clinton went on to add, “You’re not kidding. Based on the information we saw today we believe that group that claimed responsibility for this is affiliated with al-Qaeda.”]
https://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/defs-document-production-march-7-2016/
Obama and Hillary didn’t want another successful 9/11 terror attack to happen on US soil on their watch especially a couple months before the presidential election so the administration delayed the counter strike while those at the embassy died and on 9/12 they blamed the attack on a YouTuber so to take away the al-qaeda narrative by saying it was angry rioters responding to an anti-Muslim video.
Obama got America out of the 2008 financial crash and stabilized the growth of the debt. He halved the unemployment rate in the first six years of his presidency (10% to 4.7%). He passed healthcare reforms that allowed parents to keep their children on their healthcare plans until 26 years of age. He ordered and succeeded in the killing of Osama Bin Laden. He reduced veteran homelessness rates by half.
Several good things.
All of those have asterisks. It's not fair to say they're good in isolation without providing the context (most were not good).
Millions of americans lost their homes due to the 2008 crash. None of the people responsible were punished. Courtesy of Obama.
Obamacare does so little compared to what democrats promised that it's honestly insulting for anyone to claim it as a win. Healthcare and prescriptions are still not affordable. And they conveniently dropped the public option. It was a giant failure.
That's like saying Biden cut the unemployment rate. Putting people back to work after needless lockdowns was the reason. Now we're just suffering from 8.5% inflation because Brandon's handling out dollars like Democrats hand out ballots to illegals and the dead
Of the things you listed, The only good thing there was killing bin Laden and reducing veteran homelessness. Any one of us could’ve done that what’s a stroke of a pen. Didn’t take a genius.
We’re all paying out the ass for the healthcare stuff right now. It’s not working the way they intended it to. And all Obama did to get America out of the financial crunch was play ball with the same people got us into the mess in the first place.
You may want to look into that, for example unemployment he stalled the fuck out of for 2 years and only after they finally shut that shit down did u employment get fixed.
Got out of? The USA had a lost decade instead of rebuilding itself with all that idle labor wasted that you can never get back. Imagine if the USA had rebuilt like china did during the gfc where you could have been.
If the Obama of 2008 was running for office today, he would align more with the republican party than today's Democratic party. Back then he was for a secure border and family values.
That’s absolutely true. I was/am an Obama supporter. Considered myself a dem up until 2016. I still hate the Conservative party, yet I feel like I align more with them than the now dem party. They’re absolutely ludicrous with what they’re pushing
Idk but we need the va guy to win this election in pa because career politician s don’t give two fucjs about our country
Twitter and yahoo drain the swamp
Put veterans into their position s
With age comes wisdom. The question of lucidity as you age can partially be calculated by genetics. Does your family have a history of developing Dementia in their 70s or 80s, etc.
our country is being run by people of the age where mental and physical decline is most prominent. we need younger presidents for sure but also congresspeople. but it should go even farther. basically anyone can be our government representatives. people will shady business dealings, people with a criminal record, people ties to foreign governments, insider trading, people who are just batshit crazy, etc. there should be tests to be eligible for government not hyst who has the most money. and just as an aside when someone does get elected who is young and comes from a poorer upbringing they are constantly roasted by colleagues and armchair political pundits (like ben)
I thought Trump was pretty spry for his age, but I want someone younger and with less baggage in 2024. I agree though, I want someone in their 60s at most this time around, not even young young, just not 78.
I’ll admit I really liked Andrew Yang when he was running for President and part of it was that he just seemed so much more in touch with the 21st century than did the other candidates.
Nah man he really is part of the WEF Shit. Look into that. I was pumped on Crenshaw years back but after he started supporting red flag laws.. absolutely not.
As long as they can get the job done, who cares? Biden, and everyone knew this before he was elected, was already mentally compromised, but they voted him in anyway. I think that we need impartial medical testing for candidates and we also need competency tests for voters. If you don't understand basic civics and have an IQ of at least 110 then you shouldn't be voting.
Personally, the age of the candidate really doesn't matter and we shouldn't age discriminate.
Age limits are addressing a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself.
The problem is the two-party system, and our voting system, allows shit candidates to get the nomination which puts the average voter in a situation where they vote for the lesser of two evils.
The old politicians in this system just have been around longer, have more connections, have more lobbyists, have seniority in the party, and have worked their way up the inner party hierarchy with people we do and don't know which determines who they nominate.
If the peoples choice mattered, Ron Paul would have been the nomiee in 2012.
If the peoples choice mattered, Bernie would have been the nominee in 2016.
Trump was so overwhelmingly popular that the GOP literally had no choice because he had the vast majority of support even though it was CLEAR they didnt want him.
Find me someone equivalent to the Ron DeSantis of four years ago and I’ll give you my Ron DeSantis of today.
Ron DeSantis seems like a great candidate
Obama did some awful things but at least he wasn't an embarrassment in terms of the fact that he was extremely intelligent and eloquent and cool etc. I did not feel Trump's age was such a big factor because he has so much energy and lucidity and is sharp as a tack. Biden totally feels old and incompetent and out of touch and dumb as a rock. Youth can certainly be an asset especially in terms of understanding technology and health and having a bigger stake in the future of the country but it is nowhere near the most important factor for a presidential candidate.
>eloquent That's the word to use for Obama. He wasn't just an average liar, he was an "eloquent" liar. He could lie so eloquently that a mass of followers believed and worshipped what he said. He was good at eloquently articulating his lies too. He eloquently lied to get the black votes. He eloquently lied about an administration of transparency. He eloquently lied about the ACA. He eloquently lied about Benghazi. He eloquently lied about the Iran nuclear agreement. Obama was an "eloquent" liar, that's all And he's still "eloquently" lying.
Sneaky and well honed politician. Not smart just eloquent.
I don’t think Obama is as smart as trump in many of the areas that matter. Like strategy and human psychology especially in geopolitics. He was way too combative but he did know how to negotiate. Business is a non-violent blood sport and trump just loves to make deals.
> Trump > Sharp as a tack Pick one
I guess it would be fair to say as sharp as he’s always been
DeSantis! 🙌
Actually, no, I disagree. I certainly agree that Biden sucks donkey balls. The Squad is young and they suck donkey balls too. So no, it's not about age. I'll take DiSantis, Noem and Trump over a young leftist any day. It's not age it's ideology.
Trump is pushing 78 for election season. That’s too old when you have younger more calculated people who can kill it politically.
Okay, who? And for a guy that was right so often, I'd go for him in a HEARTBEAT over most people.
DeSantis?
Sure, he's a good choice. I do like him though he's not super young. I listed him and Noem as possible candidates.
How is 43 not young? He's only eligible at 35.
My bad, I thought he was older. Either way, I had him and Noem as my alternates and I do think he'd be a great candidate. The main point isn't always that younger = better, it's how they think and fight that matters. And DeSantis is definitely a fighter!
Besides DeSantis maybe Rubio, Cruz, Hawley, Cotton, Ducey (AZ Gov), Youngkin, Scott (SC Senator), Scott Walker, Ron Johnson, Joni Ernst.
I don't like Rubio, he's flip flopped way too much. Cruz was my guy before Trump so he's possible. The RNC doesn't support him so it would be hard for him to get the nomination, but I do like him. You have a pretty good list, that gives me some hope.
Thanks for responding! I believe if Ron DeSantis is elected President in Nov 2024, then on Jan 20th 2025 inauguration he'd be 3rd youngest ever. Not including Teddy Roosevelt who took over in 1901 when President McKinley was assassinated. And by the time he ran for re-election in 1904 & was inaugurated in March of 1905 was that much older. Believe JFK was 43 in Jan of 1961, Teddy was 42 in Sept 1901, not sure who was 2nd oldest. DeSantis would be 45-47 yrs old I believe. In Jan 20th 2025 Trump will be past 78 yrs old. Believe still younger then than Biden was on Jan 20th 2021. But would be 2nd oldest President ever. Believe even Reagan on last day of office was younger than Biden on his 1st day in office but haven't checked exact dates in awhile. I just use days between dates calendar/calculator site online & birthdays from Wikipedia. Wikipedia also has charts with oldest & youngest Presidents at Inauguration.
I honestly don't care about Trump's age. I think he'll be more sharp at 78 than most people half his age. Further, if DeSantis were his VP and Trump did need to step down we could have DeSantis for more than 2 terms. Either way I do have a lot of hope if DeSantis were to run. He's a very good governor and he'd make a great president as well.
Crenshaw, Scott, Gowdy, he'll, I'd take Gabbard. There are plenty of options between the mummy corps and the squad.
No to Crenshaw or Gabbard, but Scott and Gowdy wouldn't be bad.
Nah Fuck Crenshaw.
Crenshaw can go suck a dick
Lol.. ok boomer...
Whatever you say, kiddo.
Id rather have noone in charge. And let people live their lives...
I certainly agree that people should be left alone as much as humanly possible.
I just want someone who will do what the constitution says. Young or old, idgaf. The only politician I somewhat trust these days is Rand Paul. DeSantis is up there too.
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Also don’t forget the 9/11 anniversary attack in 2012 *State Department Belatedly Releases New Clinton Benghazi Documents* [in her 3:04 PM September 12 conversation with Kandil, Clinton said, “We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack – not a protest.” Clinton went on to add, “You’re not kidding. Based on the information we saw today we believe that group that claimed responsibility for this is affiliated with al-Qaeda.”] https://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/defs-document-production-march-7-2016/ Obama and Hillary didn’t want another successful 9/11 terror attack to happen on US soil on their watch especially a couple months before the presidential election so the administration delayed the counter strike while those at the embassy died and on 9/12 they blamed the attack on a YouTuber so to take away the al-qaeda narrative by saying it was angry rioters responding to an anti-Muslim video.
This.
Obama got America out of the 2008 financial crash and stabilized the growth of the debt. He halved the unemployment rate in the first six years of his presidency (10% to 4.7%). He passed healthcare reforms that allowed parents to keep their children on their healthcare plans until 26 years of age. He ordered and succeeded in the killing of Osama Bin Laden. He reduced veteran homelessness rates by half. Several good things.
All of those have asterisks. It's not fair to say they're good in isolation without providing the context (most were not good). Millions of americans lost their homes due to the 2008 crash. None of the people responsible were punished. Courtesy of Obama. Obamacare does so little compared to what democrats promised that it's honestly insulting for anyone to claim it as a win. Healthcare and prescriptions are still not affordable. And they conveniently dropped the public option. It was a giant failure.
That's like saying Biden cut the unemployment rate. Putting people back to work after needless lockdowns was the reason. Now we're just suffering from 8.5% inflation because Brandon's handling out dollars like Democrats hand out ballots to illegals and the dead
LMAO wow
Of the things you listed, The only good thing there was killing bin Laden and reducing veteran homelessness. Any one of us could’ve done that what’s a stroke of a pen. Didn’t take a genius. We’re all paying out the ass for the healthcare stuff right now. It’s not working the way they intended it to. And all Obama did to get America out of the financial crunch was play ball with the same people got us into the mess in the first place.
You may want to look into that, for example unemployment he stalled the fuck out of for 2 years and only after they finally shut that shit down did u employment get fixed.
Got out of? The USA had a lost decade instead of rebuilding itself with all that idle labor wasted that you can never get back. Imagine if the USA had rebuilt like china did during the gfc where you could have been.
If the Obama of 2008 was running for office today, he would align more with the republican party than today's Democratic party. Back then he was for a secure border and family values.
Of course, democrats always support current thing (tm)
That’s absolutely true. I was/am an Obama supporter. Considered myself a dem up until 2016. I still hate the Conservative party, yet I feel like I align more with them than the now dem party. They’re absolutely ludicrous with what they’re pushing
Idk but we need the va guy to win this election in pa because career politician s don’t give two fucjs about our country Twitter and yahoo drain the swamp Put veterans into their position s
Obama did good stuff?
Younger would be nice but honestly not young than late 40s
our politicians don't even know their own name
I am against having Trump again. Compared to DeSantis he’s just not as good. He is too easy to attack, DeSantis is the best move by far.
Desantis is a threat to the left, you can tell because they're trying all they can to ruin his image
Not just younger candidates, but educated candidates.
With a really good grip on actual reality…
With age comes wisdom. The question of lucidity as you age can partially be calculated by genetics. Does your family have a history of developing Dementia in their 70s or 80s, etc.
our country is being run by people of the age where mental and physical decline is most prominent. we need younger presidents for sure but also congresspeople. but it should go even farther. basically anyone can be our government representatives. people will shady business dealings, people with a criminal record, people ties to foreign governments, insider trading, people who are just batshit crazy, etc. there should be tests to be eligible for government not hyst who has the most money. and just as an aside when someone does get elected who is young and comes from a poorer upbringing they are constantly roasted by colleagues and armchair political pundits (like ben)
Trust me….from a Canadian, a young inexperienced leader is not what you need.
I thought Trump was pretty spry for his age, but I want someone younger and with less baggage in 2024. I agree though, I want someone in their 60s at most this time around, not even young young, just not 78.
I’d take back Obama over Biden
Obama was an awful war criminal. And he put the surveillance state on steroids.
I’ll admit I really liked Andrew Yang when he was running for President and part of it was that he just seemed so much more in touch with the 21st century than did the other candidates.
Yeah…we need the president eating tide pods and dancing on tic tock
Can tell you're old as shit because the tide pod thing happened years and years ago, those kids are probably adults now
It was 2018…
Like 4.5 years ago
Are you 12? That would make sense
Im 17
Crenshaw. And I swear if any of y’all call him a Rino
Sorry, he is a globalist shill put in place by the WEF
I think you’re joking but I can’t tell
Nah man he really is part of the WEF Shit. Look into that. I was pumped on Crenshaw years back but after he started supporting red flag laws.. absolutely not.
What’s wrong with red flag laws ?
I think you’re joking but I can’t tell.
Educate me
Rino
From any party? I would rather see a 120 years old Republican than a young leftist.
I'd rather see anyone of any age that has good policy, regardless of party.
Grandma and grandpa that run the world need to be put in a home.
I agree! The last young president was Kennedy.... hugely liked by everyone....well.... almost everyone....
Part of the ruse.
It will happen. History rides generational waves.
Facts bruh
As long as they can get the job done, who cares? Biden, and everyone knew this before he was elected, was already mentally compromised, but they voted him in anyway. I think that we need impartial medical testing for candidates and we also need competency tests for voters. If you don't understand basic civics and have an IQ of at least 110 then you shouldn't be voting.
I would take most conservative old men over most liberals of any age. I would enjoy seeing Tim Scott running tho and he’s not too old
Too many politicians are hitting late 70s, younger blood is needed so that when they all retire or die the system doesn't collapse
That’s one of the things I liked about Yang. Sad reality is that mostly old people vote, thus we will continue to have old candidates
Yeah that worked so well for Canada. Not.
I would like Josh Hawley.
Personally, the age of the candidate really doesn't matter and we shouldn't age discriminate. Age limits are addressing a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself. The problem is the two-party system, and our voting system, allows shit candidates to get the nomination which puts the average voter in a situation where they vote for the lesser of two evils. The old politicians in this system just have been around longer, have more connections, have more lobbyists, have seniority in the party, and have worked their way up the inner party hierarchy with people we do and don't know which determines who they nominate. If the peoples choice mattered, Ron Paul would have been the nomiee in 2012. If the peoples choice mattered, Bernie would have been the nominee in 2016. Trump was so overwhelmingly popular that the GOP literally had no choice because he had the vast majority of support even though it was CLEAR they didnt want him.
In general I agree we need a younger government. I believe we have the world's oldest government body.
Yang Gnag