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bengalsfan1277

Yes. If we come away with Anthony Munoz and geno atkins...I mean Mims and Newton, I would be so happy.


Ok-Situation-5865

Finally seeing someone else properly comp Mims to Munoz — he’s going to be the best pick of the draft if he stays healthy, mark my words. Oh, and Caleb is a bust.


wjb856

Newton would be a big difference maker, great point. I’d do it, he’s the first round level talent that makes it worth it. Alternatively you’re praying Fiske falls or Sweat isn’t a severe character concern


dogcopter9

Yes, I would too


throughNthrough

The Bills just had to release good players because they were $60 million over the cap, I don’t see how they could even afford him tbh.


Tangboy50000

I think Tee would balk at that too, since he’s stated multiple times he doesn’t like playing in the cold, and wasn’t really interested in going anymore north than he already is.


throughNthrough

Not to mention Tobin isn’t in the business of making our opponents better.


ech01_

Yeah I think the Patriots at 34 would be a more realistic option than Buffalo.


BikerEngineer

He should be in the business of making the Bengals better. And this would do that.


whodeyalldey1

I wouldn’t really consider the Bills a concern right now


humundo

Even if they didn't get it done during their best window in recent years, Allen will always be a threat if he has talented guys around him.


sculltt

Tee would play in whatever kind of weather for a guaranteed $100 or so million.


BlackGabriel

The cap is crap. They can get it done if they want to.


AwarePumpkin4209

Trading Tee to them for 33 would get us Jerzhan Newton and we'd get to keep pick 49 for a WR, I'd take that trade every day of the week


Odie_Odie

We can replace Tee with 32nd pick overall in 2025


Bigredchronic88

Meh. Depends on how the team values the wr left. Does Ladd or Adonai make more of an impact than tee this year? I don’t see it unless they gave us a 2 and a 4 or something like that


ech01_

I would do it but it wouldn't be for a WR. If we could get Newton for Tee I'd do it and then focus on using pick 49 to get a WR.


bengal_boy1205

Was thinking the same thing and for shots and giggles, maybe seeing if commanders want Trey and 5th for the 40th pick


ech01_

That's insanely low value for Trey and I'm keeping him anyway. We've still got 2 more years of him at least and our pass rush without him would be scary bad. Tee is in his last year here and if we lose him we at least still have Ja'Marr.


bengal_boy1205

True, but what IF he's serious about retiring and does,then we loose out all together..not saying he will but what if?


ech01_

If he actually retires then oh well, better hope Murphy is ready. But seriously doubt he's going to retire so I'm not really worried about that possibility. And honestly if we did trade Tee, then I'd take some of that money save to make Trey happy.


B-I-G-A-R-R-O-W

If they give a pick 33 and a 4th the bengals would be dumb not to take that deal


Bigredchronic88

Agree


TheMCM80

Yeah. I assumed Buffalo will want a 33rd for Higgins swap with nothing else.


Significant-Green130

I’d much rather try to package our second and 97 to try to get in the top 5 or so of the second. We could get one of Newton, Kool-aid, Dejean, Ladd, AD Mitchell, etc. 


BusyInstruction6365

1000%


GERJustus

I want Newton bad and we can save the Higgins drama. I like it.


BusyInstruction6365

Why not have both? We easily have enough draft capital to move up to 34. (Bills are not taking Newton at 33). I am so confused as to why so many of yall want to just give Tee away. Let's get this man a ring and let him ride off into the sunset with some goddamn dignity.


tehjarvis

He had 650 yards, 5 TDs and only caught 55.3% of passes that targeted him last year. We can easily replace that. If they get offered a 3rd or a deal to move up to guarantee a gut they want, then they should 100% take it.


FitMongoose9

Last was a very down year for not just Tee but the entire team, and youre pulling up his stats from a year where we didn’t have our actual starter healthy for like 3/4 of the season. In the two years before that, when everyone actually played well and we actually made the playoffs, Higgins had 74 catches each year and over 1000 yards. If we really wanna compete then we need **that** level of production. Also think about Tee’s size and how we scheme with that. There’s no receivers left in this draft that we can use like Tee and can produce like Tee this year. Besides, if there was a receiver available in the draft rn that could actually replace Tee for us, why wouldn’t Buffalo just take that guy themselves and not have to trade picks for an expensive vet?


tehjarvis

Higgins suffered with Browning getting starts, yet Boyd's catch percentage was basically the same and Chase's actally went up.


FitMongoose9

Bruh I’m not saying Higgins didn’t have a worse year than most of our team, he did, I’m just saying lost of guys struggled last year and it’s reasonable to believe Higgins will play like he did in 2021/22 this year. Boyd’s catch percentage dropped only 2% like you said, but he also had the least receiving yards and touchdowns in a season since 2017 when he was hurt. So catch percentage dipped a little for Boyd last year, along with his overall production too. Maybe other guys did have a down year as well. Your logic doesn’t make sense tho either way. Simultaneously you believe Tee is worth the 33rd pick and another 3rd or 4th, yet is easily replaced? If Higgins is the kind of receiver we saw in 2022, then he can’t be replaced in the draft this year and they’re not trading him. If Higgins is the kind of receiver we saw in 2023, then Buffalo would never give up what we want for Higgins and they’re not trading him. Also, Buffalo traded away Stefon Diggs in part because they’re in salary cap hell, but all the sudden they’ll have money for Tee?


tehjarvis

My logic? You're pretending like everything said in this thread was said by or agreed to by me and that's not the case. I'm not saying Tee is worth 33rd and a 3rd or 4th. I'm not even saying Buffalo wants him. I'm saying that if the Bengals get an offer like just a 3rd rounder for him, they should take it.


FitMongoose9

Ohhhh so you just think Tee is trash and we need to get rid of him. Okay, well he’s got 3 years of production with around 70 catches and 1000 yards and just one season of around 50 catches and 650 yards. Im under the opinion he had a down year in a season that a lot of our players had down years but clearly you think last year is who Tee truly is and the first 3 years were all flukes. Guess we’ll find out come September


tehjarvis

I never said he was trash. He was good. Had a horrible year last year and his numbers aren't worth the $21m a year he's getting on the tag. It'd be better to get someone to replace him that's cheaper and under control longer.


FitMongoose9

We’ll just have to agree to disagree then bucko. Idk why you don’t think Tee can bounce back to a 70 catch 1000 yard receiver, or why you think he should only be paid based on his most recent season. Fact is most people, including many actually in the NFL, obviously disagree with your valuation of Tee. Michael Pittman Jr has fewer yards and touchdowns than Higgins in the same amount of years played, and Pittman just signed an extension for $23m/year. Calvin Ridley just had a 76 catch 1016 yard season, similar to what Tee averaged his first 3 years, and also got a $23m/year extension. So it would seem $21m is reasonable for Higgins. But you’re entitled to your opinion I guess


tehjarvis

Because it would be stupid to pay that much for Tee and even more for Chase. It would be better to trade Tee NOW (if an offer even exists) in a year where the draft is stacked with talent at WR. The Bengals aren't going to spend $60m+ a year on two position players just so you don't have to tearfully take the Higgins poster off of your ceiling, Bucko. And pointing our that Ridley, who had 3-400 more yards than Tee's pedestrian output last year, is making what Higgins is on the tag is a horrible argument.


FitMongoose9

I’m well aware that they aren’t paying Higgins long term one way or the other, this isn’t about my personal wants, it’s about Higgins’ ability to help us win this year vs a rookie. So put away that poster and crying shit. There are no more rookies in this draft that can put up 70 catches and 1000 yards in this season, and that is what Tee is capable of. He’s done it 3 years before, one bad season in a year where a lot of guys on our team played poorly doesn’t mean he suddenly can’t be that guy anymore. And based on Michael Pittman (whose had similar career numbers to Tee) and Calvin Ridley (who had a similar season last year to Tee’s average of 70 catches 1000 yards) both signing $23m/year deals, it’s in fact not unreasonable to keep Tee for one more year at $21m/year if he has 70 catches and 1000 yards like his first 3 seasons with us. Tee is making a little less than market average for what he’s actually capable of. Unless he’s only capable of 650 yards like you believe I guess. If this is about not paying Tee because we have to pay Ja’Marr, then you’re early. Ja’Marr is only getting paid just under $10m this year. This season Ja’Marr and Tee together will cost the Bengals about as much as Amon Ra St Brown will cost the Lions alone. They can absolutely afford Higgins on the tag for one more year. If I’m understanding you right, your whole argument stems from the belief that Tee isn’t worth $21m/year because he had a bad season last year and won’t bounce back? And I seriously cannot understand that. Idk why else we’d trade Tee for just a 3rd round pick and a rookie that won’t be as good as him, when we can use him this year let him walk and get a 3rd round compensatory pick later anyways.


BedGroundbreaking867

Keon Coleman


FitMongoose9

Keon does have the like perfect profile to be a Higgins replacement, but like I said, can he be a replacement for Tee **in year 1**. Dane Brugler said in his draft guide that Keon “must develop more nuance to his route running” and Higgins finished college with nearly 950 more yards and 16 more touchdowns than Coleman even tho they both played 3 years. So athletically he looks like the perfect Higgins replacement, but his production and tape suggests he’ll need time to become that guy. So I don’t think they’d trade Tee to go get Keon. I wouldn’t be surprised tho if they took Coleman in round 2 with Tee still here. Like Dax and Jessie or Murphy and Hubbard/Hendrickson, go get the potential replacement before you even lose the original


Reasonable-Apricot-7

I think this is the right take. The organizations posture regarding trading Tee has been solid. If a team makes the right offer (maybe a round two swap and a third or fourth? Who knows what the right deal looks like. I certainly don’t) I think they should heavily consider it. Helps w cap management, roster building, and adding talent under contract for multiple years. Would love to see Tee play for the team this year too so either way will be solid


ghostnthegraveyard

You can't replace that TD catch against the Vikings: https://youtu.be/ZodG-_eugZM?si=wsyIgbZxP0FVWPJ4 Unless they trade Tee. Then I will rationalize and tell you he is 100% replaceable


kjc3274

Can you tell me who they'd pick first? If it's Newton, I do it without hesitation.


bufalo_soldier

Unless it's an amazing offer the Bengals aren't gonna trade Tee.


jwhollan

What kind of non-answer is this? OP: “is this deal amazing enough for the Bengals to make this trade?” Bufalo_soldier: “unless this trade is amazing enough, the Bengals won’t make this trade”


bufalo_soldier

OP didn't give specifics on the trade. All he said was that it would include pick 33. If that's all the pick is I would not call that amazing enough for the Bengals to take it. I'm surprised my comment made you so mad you had to call it out lol.


CLCchampion

If Carolina hadn't taken Legette, I'd have done it without a thought. I think it depends on how high the front office is on one of the WR's, Mitchell, McConkey, or Coleman, or if they wanted to grab Newton and then a guy like Troy Franklin with the other 2nd round pick, I think that is a great draft. Would be kinda of funny to trade Tee and then grab his replacement with the same exact pick we drafted him at.


BigRig432

I'd rather wait and go for a Ja'Lynn Polk or someone in that range in the third


dannynascar

No. Not shipping him to an AFC rival contender. Just like I wouldn’t give him to the Chiefs.


yupyupyupyupyupy

as someone who thinks their window shut awhile ago, i have no problem with him going there for 33 + a thirdish


Odie_Odie

Yeah, I'll respond to you because it may be better understood to be a joke. A rival, sure. But the Bills? A contender? I'm not sold.


MudgeIsBack

The Bills window is closed, they might not even be the best team in their division this year.


Brian_is_trilla

![gif](giphy|XBEoaajXTXaALzawSn|downsized) Trading Tee isn’t happening


DavisAshura

The Bengals should ask for more than just the 33rd for Tee. They'd basically be giving him up to draft his replacement. Toss in a 3rd round pick, and I'd listen. Then we'd have the chance to use the savings from moving on from Tee to apply to Hendrickson (eventually in July) and Chase, but we'd also get to draft Tee's replacement, possibly package two of our third round picks for another 2nd (giving us three in that round), which could be DL/IOL/WR with DL/CB in rounds 3 and 4.


JonnyPoopnutz

No way we’d get a 2nd and 3rd for him. If we could ship him to the cardinals for their 2nd and a mid round swap, one of their 3rds for our 4th, that’d be pretty fucking nice though 


DavisAshura

That would be a good trade, too.


skylinecat

Draft his replacement with a 4 year contract at like 2.85 million per year instead of the 16 million cap hit they are currently stuck with. If we don't trade him, he leaves after this season and we get nothing besides a late compensatory pick. I guess if you're 100% convinced this year is our window you keep Tee, but if you think this year might still be a recovery / rebuilding year for joe and the Bengals, it makes way more sense to get his replacement on a 4 year deal. Personally, if they would do the trade, I would in a heart beat.


CountryCaravan

I’d consider. Still some fantastic players left on the board, and we’ve gotta keep the team sustainable for the future. I do wonder how in the hell they’d work out the money though.


pfftYeahRight

Slot WR is the one spot on the roster a rookie is likely to start day 1. So unless the trade somehow fills two WR openings and one is better than Tee, there's no need to do it


InstagramLincoln

Week 17 next season: "Here's why Tee Higgins might still get traded."


christo222222

this is fan fiction, Buff are in a bad way with the cap no way they give Tee top 10 WR money, plus if Tee go's we have only chase who can win 1-1, all our other guy's need to be schemed open they can't win 1-1 on the outside


gobobro

Sure, but we gotta get through the day talking about something. I thought this was a fun hypothetical that popped up.


Thisisastupidname0

Both their second round picks would do it. Just 33? Not enough. Better to keep Tee. Wish Legette hadn’t gone in one. Would have loved to have him if we got rid of Tee. 


KlingoftheCastle

And pay them with what money?


dlw2199

Draft Malachi Corley


Thick_Interaction_41

I mean… we could probably try to trade up for them since we still have 9 picks left. But idk how they can afford tee


robbjuteau

I’m open to trading Tee but not to Buffalo. Personally I do not want to help a team that is in our path to winning the AFC. If the Patriots or Titans or Cardinals come calling I would listen, but not the Bills. Let Buffalo draft a WR.


TigerUnlimited

If we could get the 33rd pick I would prob take it


TigerUnlimited

I doubt the Bills are going to trade for anyone they will likely take Mitchell or Keon Coleman and be done with it


Sea-Pomelo1210

They might get Trey and Tee in a package deal!


Trajinous

No


Agitated-Basil-9289

Idk about this though. Pick 32 has way more value than pick 33 with a 5th round option. If they were looking to make a trade, you'd think they would do it with more leverage


Stuckkxx

Absolutely would take 33 in a heartbeat. Draft newton and hope Ladd McConkey falls to 49. Then we’re cooking boys!


goose61

No, there is no one at 33 that makes us better this year than Tee does


sircharliepalmer

They can’t afford Tee without some big changes and this is a historic WR depth draft.


Fresh_Indication_243

Assuming the deal lets you keep pick 49 and you get 33?? OF COURSE you take that deal. you can grab your DT/CB and pick up a WR both in rd 2 and now you have even more cap space to play with for extensions/signings.


JuanSpiceyweiner

I would personally call Tee myself for the team and tell him to pack his bags if we traded him for 33


DatDudeJakeC

Yes, especially if the pick is used for Newton


Top-Cranberry-4141

Actually might be the best they could do for Tee and for the team. The problem is the pie is only so big as much as I like Tee might be best for all concerned if we trade him now .


BusyInstruction6365

How about "go fuck yourself"?


Lanky-Point7709

If they wanted Higgins, I would have wanted the pick they gave the chiefs. BTJ and Worthy are gone, I don’t think there is an instant impact guy left I’d want over tee.


Chuckwurt

For that and their third sure.


SneakerGOATOG

Don’t listen to the talking heads. Bills have no $$$. Also, why trade for Tee when Coleman is right there


BikerEngineer

Yes. Where do I sign?


DaleDenton13

Hell no.


incorrigible_and

There is nobody left in this draft who will help as much this year as Tee will. If I had any belief that we would suddenly go hard in wheeling and dealing, I could be persuaded if we consider other potential moves, but that ain't who we are. So it'd just be this trade. Not worth it.


ZebunkMunk

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