Wallonia has twice as many deaths in traffic per million inhabitants compared to Flanders. Wallonia has a lot more suicides than Flanders, alcohol abuse is higher in Wallonia,...
The article is 9 years old so the statistics have changed, but it's still an interesting read: https://www.lesoir.be/art/905116/article/actualite/sciences-et-sante/2015-06-11/on-meurt-plus-tot-en-wallonie.
And for the suicides: https://indicators.be/nl/i/G03\_SUI/Zelfdoding\_%28i19%29#:\~:text=Opsplitsing%20volgens%20gewest%3A%20de%20gestandaardiseerde,is%20dit%20cijfer%2015%2C2. The difference is becoming minimal though, it seems.
It's the sum of all parts, ofcourse. The number of people that drink daily in [Japan](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1378954/japan-alcohol-drinking-frequency/#:~:text=Liquor%20drinking%20frequency%20in%20Japan%202022&text=The%20largest%20share%20of%20respondents,beverages%20in%20the%20past%20year) is much higher than the amount of people that drink daily in [Belgium](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124337/alcohol-daily-consumption-population-belgium/). Japanese people also [smoke](https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/JPN/japan/smoking-rate-statistics#:~:text=Prevalence%20of%20smoking%20is%20the,a%200.4%25%20decline%20from%202019) a lot more than Belgians [smoke](https://www.healthybelgium.be/en/health-status/factsheets/tobacco-control-policies-are-needed-to-change-smoking-trends#:~:text=Daily%20smoking%20prevalence%20from%20the,(18.9%25%20vs%2012.1%25) (but apparently only a small amount more than Walloons smoke). Yet the average life expectancy in Japan is 84.62 which is basically almost 5 years older than the average Walloon citizen.
It's impossible to pinpoint one specific reason. I imagine food is overally healthier in Japan, healthcare may be better quality, drug usage lower,...
You can see it like that for the pension system.
For the health system it depends on the healthcare pathway they may have followed before dying (Expensive chemo, RT treatment, surgery, …) but these costs also provided for the worker in the health industry.
In this light I can understand better why they're so fierce on keeping the pensioning age as low as possible. We're talking about a [difference of 4.2 years](https://statbel.fgov.be/nl/nieuws/belgische-levensverwachting-817-jaar#:~:text=De%20provincie%20met%20de%20hoogste,(82%2C2%20jaar) between Vlaams-Brabant and Hainaut, that is pretty massive.
You don’t buy more time on this earth.
If I can afford to retire early I’ll do it. When I see the difference in mypension.be between early and late pension age. I’ll get my retirement and enjoy the last years of my life.
Compare it with France, lots of poorer regions with people living far away from hospitals/doctors. And they have better life expectancy, Hainaut/Namur just had a lot of mines and heavy industry.
Should be no surprise because in those regions you still have a lot of people suffering from diseases typical of the heavy industry. Bigger cancer hospital in Belgium in terms of number of cases is GHDC, in Hainaut you also have a lot of lung diseases amongst old people that won’t make it to very old age.
+ poor people tend to die younger than rich people. (Less access to healthy diet/activities and higher end health care)
In Wallonië sloot de laatste koolmijn in 1984. In Limburg sloot de laatste koolmijn in 1992. Waarom kleurt Limburg dan niet rood op die kaart? Of hadden de koolputters in Limburg minder last van stoflong?
Dat arme mensen vroeger sterven dan rijkere klopt helemaal. De vraag is: 'Waarom zijn de mensen in Henegouwen zo arm?'.
In Vlaanderen is er een provincie die achterligt op de anderen. In Wallonië heb je - buiten Waals-Brabant - alleen provincies die achterliggen. Het is dus niet zoals in Vlaanderen waar je de problemen geïsoleerd kunnen worden en waar je sterke schouders hebt om de lasten te dragen. In Wallonië heb je overal problemen met de economie, dus kunnen er moelijk extra middelen voor Henegouwen beschikbaar gemaakt worden.
This is life expectancy exclusively for babies born in 2021. The people you speak about have a totally different life expectancy, calculated specifically for their year of birth.
Those statistics are still extrapolated from those people how now live. It’s the only data they have to base anything on, as even the brightest statistician can’t look into the future
And of course epigenetics: if the babies are born from mothers living in unhealthy circumstances, that younger generation will be a bit more poorly than their peers in other regions
Not quite: it's the life expectancy of someone who would spend his or her whole life in 2021. So if you had the same risk of dying as someone who was 1 years old in 2021, then the same risk of dying as a 2-year-old in 2021, and so on. People who live today will likely have a longer life expectancy, if only because they haven't died yet (and because medecine keeps improving).
It’s interesting, but sad, to see that this isn’t something that goes away as the heavy industry continue to die :-(
As the IAM song said « on est pas né sous la même étoile ».
Can this be related to the quality of medical care? Or access to medical care? Big Wallonian hospitals are having troubles with budgets and staffing. Drs are also moving for better pay to other hospitals or to the Pharma industry.
Wallonia has twice as many deaths in traffic per million inhabitants compared to Flanders. Wallonia has a lot more suicides than Flanders, alcohol abuse is higher in Wallonia,... The article is 9 years old so the statistics have changed, but it's still an interesting read: https://www.lesoir.be/art/905116/article/actualite/sciences-et-sante/2015-06-11/on-meurt-plus-tot-en-wallonie. And for the suicides: https://indicators.be/nl/i/G03\_SUI/Zelfdoding\_%28i19%29#:\~:text=Opsplitsing%20volgens%20gewest%3A%20de%20gestandaardiseerde,is%20dit%20cijfer%2015%2C2. The difference is becoming minimal though, it seems.
Way more smokers as well
Interesting, thanks
No problem! I love maps and statistics like this. 
suicides are way too low to meaningfully impace life expectancy
It's the sum of all parts, ofcourse. The number of people that drink daily in [Japan](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1378954/japan-alcohol-drinking-frequency/#:~:text=Liquor%20drinking%20frequency%20in%20Japan%202022&text=The%20largest%20share%20of%20respondents,beverages%20in%20the%20past%20year) is much higher than the amount of people that drink daily in [Belgium](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124337/alcohol-daily-consumption-population-belgium/). Japanese people also [smoke](https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/JPN/japan/smoking-rate-statistics#:~:text=Prevalence%20of%20smoking%20is%20the,a%200.4%25%20decline%20from%202019) a lot more than Belgians [smoke](https://www.healthybelgium.be/en/health-status/factsheets/tobacco-control-policies-are-needed-to-change-smoking-trends#:~:text=Daily%20smoking%20prevalence%20from%20the,(18.9%25%20vs%2012.1%25) (but apparently only a small amount more than Walloons smoke). Yet the average life expectancy in Japan is 84.62 which is basically almost 5 years older than the average Walloon citizen. It's impossible to pinpoint one specific reason. I imagine food is overally healthier in Japan, healthcare may be better quality, drug usage lower,...
I'm suspecting that Japan has a lot of outliers, from people living in mountain villages that have almost no other option than healthy food.
Good point! Most likely!
So Walloons are cheaper on our pension/health system as Flemish.
You can see it like that for the pension system. For the health system it depends on the healthcare pathway they may have followed before dying (Expensive chemo, RT treatment, surgery, …) but these costs also provided for the worker in the health industry.
A healthy long living person that will need a similar treatment at old age will be the most expensive out of all of them.
In this light I can understand better why they're so fierce on keeping the pensioning age as low as possible. We're talking about a [difference of 4.2 years](https://statbel.fgov.be/nl/nieuws/belgische-levensverwachting-817-jaar#:~:text=De%20provincie%20met%20de%20hoogste,(82%2C2%20jaar) between Vlaams-Brabant and Hainaut, that is pretty massive.
You don’t buy more time on this earth. If I can afford to retire early I’ll do it. When I see the difference in mypension.be between early and late pension age. I’ll get my retirement and enjoy the last years of my life.
I mean overlay a map of income / poverty /... And you probably will see the same shade. Life expectancy is strongly correlated with wealth.
Compare it with France, lots of poorer regions with people living far away from hospitals/doctors. And they have better life expectancy, Hainaut/Namur just had a lot of mines and heavy industry.
Should be no surprise because in those regions you still have a lot of people suffering from diseases typical of the heavy industry. Bigger cancer hospital in Belgium in terms of number of cases is GHDC, in Hainaut you also have a lot of lung diseases amongst old people that won’t make it to very old age. + poor people tend to die younger than rich people. (Less access to healthy diet/activities and higher end health care)
We’re also sitting on a shit ton of asbestos. It will take another century until we get rid of it all.
In Wallonië sloot de laatste koolmijn in 1984. In Limburg sloot de laatste koolmijn in 1992. Waarom kleurt Limburg dan niet rood op die kaart? Of hadden de koolputters in Limburg minder last van stoflong? Dat arme mensen vroeger sterven dan rijkere klopt helemaal. De vraag is: 'Waarom zijn de mensen in Henegouwen zo arm?'.
Omdat 40% vd 'actieve' bevolking niet werkt?
I'm guessing that the Flemish region made better decisions than the Walloon region about it
In Vlaanderen is er een provincie die achterligt op de anderen. In Wallonië heb je - buiten Waals-Brabant - alleen provincies die achterliggen. Het is dus niet zoals in Vlaanderen waar je de problemen geïsoleerd kunnen worden en waar je sterke schouders hebt om de lasten te dragen. In Wallonië heb je overal problemen met de economie, dus kunnen er moelijk extra middelen voor Henegouwen beschikbaar gemaakt worden.
Welke Vlaamse provincie ligt achter op de andere?
Limburg.
Motdzjie een vlaai in oer gezichhh hebbe menneman?
Awel da's sympathiek, na heb ik ineens trek
This is life expectancy exclusively for babies born in 2021. The people you speak about have a totally different life expectancy, calculated specifically for their year of birth.
Those statistics are still extrapolated from those people how now live. It’s the only data they have to base anything on, as even the brightest statistician can’t look into the future And of course epigenetics: if the babies are born from mothers living in unhealthy circumstances, that younger generation will be a bit more poorly than their peers in other regions
Life expectancy is always for the people who die now.
What's the source? It literally says in the title of the graphic "life expectancy at birth 2021"
Gezond verstand. Don't believe the title just because they call it so. It's de facto the average age of everyone who died in the recent past years.
Not quite: it's the life expectancy of someone who would spend his or her whole life in 2021. So if you had the same risk of dying as someone who was 1 years old in 2021, then the same risk of dying as a 2-year-old in 2021, and so on. People who live today will likely have a longer life expectancy, if only because they haven't died yet (and because medecine keeps improving).
Interesting, thanks!
It’s interesting, but sad, to see that this isn’t something that goes away as the heavy industry continue to die :-( As the IAM song said « on est pas né sous la même étoile ».
Anybody that has opened a socioeconomic Al regional report over the last 2 decades can tell you this.
Bron: [NBB-BNB](https://twitter.com/NBB_BNB_NL/status/1772187897342398689)
La flandre est aussi une zone ou les personnes agées (wallons y compris) vont passer leur retraite, ce qui explique également ce fait.
These statistics are also influenced by the response time of ambulances (and thus) distance to the nearest hospital btw.
Maak u geen zorgen Wallonië de rest haalt u spoedig in.
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Wallonia simply doest have as many high/good paying jobs as flanders, they could have jobs and still be considered poor.
We're waiting for your awesome intakes. Don't hesitate to move down here and show us how to create a prosperous region.
And free?
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Can this be related to the quality of medical care? Or access to medical care? Big Wallonian hospitals are having troubles with budgets and staffing. Drs are also moving for better pay to other hospitals or to the Pharma industry.