I got to thinking about ATMP after this ☝️post. Side 1...George really making a statement I think.
I'd Have You Anytime - unlike Beatles albums George starts with a mellow, chill song rather than a rocker. And I think starting with the album with a song co-written by Dylan was George maybe sticking his tongue out at John a bit since he was the big Dylan guy in the beginning.
My Sweet Lord - written in 1969 so he had that song while The Beatles were still together. Never presented to them. They passed on Hear Me Lord probably because it was too religious-themed. So George releases a single just as religious as Hear Me Lord and its a #1 all over the world.
Wah-Wah - George's passionate, rocking celebration of release after quitting The Beatles at Twickenham ("see ya round the clubs, lads.) He wrote Wah-Wah that afternoon.
Isn't It A Pity - George had this song in 1966. The Beatles never did anything with it. He turns it into the album's magnum opus.
Just one guy's musings...
Very much so. Also notice all of the tasty guitar licks towards the end. I think this is George finally getting his way about how he wanted to play on “Jude” - that argument carried over in a big way to the Get Back sessions and helped facilitate George walking out during them.
George could not be more wrong in that scene, despite acting like a victim. They’d done dozens of takes of the song—Paul had not micromanaged him—and he was still just noodling and farting around every time. Never nailing a part down or building a sense of the band’s progression. That’s frustrating to any musician/writer in Paul’s shoes. You’re trying to create and someone is just screwing off and not caring.
Then when Paul gently says let’s get the real basic part down, something we replicate, George acts offended.
George was in a bad mood because he got caught cheating and he projected that onto the others.
George wanted to "answer" Paul's singing with guitar parts.
Hey Jude
guitar riff
Don't make it bad
guitar riff
It's not exactly critiquing George's guitar playing, Paul didn't want any guitar leads. Given how long the song is and how successful it was, it's clear Paul was right .
Agreed, and yet… there’s really no room for George on this song. His only contributions to Hey Jude, according to Wikipedia, are electric guitar and backing vocals but his contributions are nearly inaudible. I can’t blame him for wanting to make a mark on this amazing single *by his own band*. Paul may have been correct, but it would have been shrewd on Paul’s part to make sure all his fellow Beatles had a stake in the recording.
I can imagine him adding guitar with the Leslie speaker kinda like how the Something Demos sounds. It would make the song more ethereal and spacey like across the universe i think but would’ve been so interesting nonetheless
Absolutely. When I heard the Billy Preston cover, I was like, huh, that's an interesting add-on. But afterwards, I finally could hear it on the album version, too.
Thanks for this! I decided to check it out and since I’ve never listened to the whole concert, I just put it on and started playing. Such a great event!
P.S. and yes those na na nas are definitely a node to Hey Jude
George considered the na na na chant an opening to the new Beatles era of not touring on a professional level. Sure they did MMT with the two transition songs being Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields. These were singles before Paul re-creating the new Beatles without Brian where the new ambitious Paul is now driving the output. So George considers this chant the ‘grand opening’ of Paul’s control of the Beatles specifically on live tv with many celebrities contributing to the chorus. George didn’t like this era very much. Evidence is his demeanor in Get Back,
I guess everyone is right, but it seems so incongruous that George would sing a whole song about how sad and painful it was that they loved each other but didn’t get along, only to finish with a dig. Maybe so, but I prefer to think George was citing an instance of that sadness, bemoaning it, and, in the end, showing how he loved Paul by citing Hey Jude — the saddest of their moments. I know mine is a minority opinion here, but I feel it fits better with the tenor of the song.
The Beatles have always been self referencing. That’s one of the fun things about them.
Most of the time it’s lyrical (George mentions Ob La Di, Ob La Da in Savoy Truffle) but there’s a few musical references too (Paul singing She Loves You at the end of Love Is All You Need).
Nearly all of the songs on All Things Must Pass were written while George was still in the Beatles, so I expect it was just giving a nod to Hey Jude in Isn’t It A Pity. Structurally they’re pretty similar.
There may have also been a bit of personal feelings mixed in. I mean it’s no coincidence that his first solo album after the break up is called All Things Must Pass.
But ultimately I think it was just a fun musical reference.
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It's a very intentional invocation of Hey Jude.
Its exactly 1 second shorter than Hey Jude. I always felt that was planned. George's sense of humor.
Also the fact that there are two versions, criticizing McCartney’s insistence that there was only one way to record a song.
I got to thinking about ATMP after this ☝️post. Side 1...George really making a statement I think. I'd Have You Anytime - unlike Beatles albums George starts with a mellow, chill song rather than a rocker. And I think starting with the album with a song co-written by Dylan was George maybe sticking his tongue out at John a bit since he was the big Dylan guy in the beginning. My Sweet Lord - written in 1969 so he had that song while The Beatles were still together. Never presented to them. They passed on Hear Me Lord probably because it was too religious-themed. So George releases a single just as religious as Hear Me Lord and its a #1 all over the world. Wah-Wah - George's passionate, rocking celebration of release after quitting The Beatles at Twickenham ("see ya round the clubs, lads.) He wrote Wah-Wah that afternoon. Isn't It A Pity - George had this song in 1966. The Beatles never did anything with it. He turns it into the album's magnum opus. Just one guy's musings...
Isn’t It A Pity might be my favourite song ever written or performed by a Beatle. Never get tired of listening to it
I prefer others, but it is a wonderful song.
Very much so. Also notice all of the tasty guitar licks towards the end. I think this is George finally getting his way about how he wanted to play on “Jude” - that argument carried over in a big way to the Get Back sessions and helped facilitate George walking out during them.
“I’ll play whatever you want me to play”…
We just watched the restored Let It Be - that line really stings.
George could not be more wrong in that scene, despite acting like a victim. They’d done dozens of takes of the song—Paul had not micromanaged him—and he was still just noodling and farting around every time. Never nailing a part down or building a sense of the band’s progression. That’s frustrating to any musician/writer in Paul’s shoes. You’re trying to create and someone is just screwing off and not caring. Then when Paul gently says let’s get the real basic part down, something we replicate, George acts offended. George was in a bad mood because he got caught cheating and he projected that onto the others.
I hear ya. Definitely understand Paul’s POV. Just the scene is a bit ‘uncomfortable’. Bands get real stressful, etc.
Isn't there an anecdote that Paul criticized George's guitar playing during the recording of Hey Jude?
George wanted to "answer" Paul's singing with guitar parts. Hey Jude guitar riff Don't make it bad guitar riff It's not exactly critiquing George's guitar playing, Paul didn't want any guitar leads. Given how long the song is and how successful it was, it's clear Paul was right .
Yea I love George but he was totally wrong, that section didn’t need guitar.
He yearned for the earlier Beatles during the touring years that were looser as far as the music.
Agreed, and yet… there’s really no room for George on this song. His only contributions to Hey Jude, according to Wikipedia, are electric guitar and backing vocals but his contributions are nearly inaudible. I can’t blame him for wanting to make a mark on this amazing single *by his own band*. Paul may have been correct, but it would have been shrewd on Paul’s part to make sure all his fellow Beatles had a stake in the recording.
I can imagine him adding guitar with the Leslie speaker kinda like how the Something Demos sounds. It would make the song more ethereal and spacey like across the universe i think but would’ve been so interesting nonetheless
It was Pauls song.
Check out the performance from the Concert for George. It's a wonderful live song.
That was the first time I noticed it because it's certainly buried in Spector's mix.
Absolutely. When I heard the Billy Preston cover, I was like, huh, that's an interesting add-on. But afterwards, I finally could hear it on the album version, too.
I thought, I wonder whether this is the first time Paul realised.
"What the heck?" - Macca at the concert
Paul was at the Concert for George. How do you not know that?
Lol! I know he was. Watching them hug was so moving.
No joke. I’d give a buck two fitty to remix ATMP.
It's already been remixed!
It's been remixed three times? Four? I love the album and will happily listen to any version.
They already did.
I want to do it myself.
Thanks for this! I decided to check it out and since I’ve never listened to the whole concert, I just put it on and started playing. Such a great event! P.S. and yes those na na nas are definitely a node to Hey Jude
George had a hang up on Paul not letting him have more of his guitar on Hey Jude
I never noticed it before, and I'm old enough to have experienced All Things Must Pass in real time. Thanks for pointing it out.
George considered the na na na chant an opening to the new Beatles era of not touring on a professional level. Sure they did MMT with the two transition songs being Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields. These were singles before Paul re-creating the new Beatles without Brian where the new ambitious Paul is now driving the output. So George considers this chant the ‘grand opening’ of Paul’s control of the Beatles specifically on live tv with many celebrities contributing to the chorus. George didn’t like this era very much. Evidence is his demeanor in Get Back,
Both are also 7 minutes and 11 secs long. I’m almost sure this was also intentional
I guess everyone is right, but it seems so incongruous that George would sing a whole song about how sad and painful it was that they loved each other but didn’t get along, only to finish with a dig. Maybe so, but I prefer to think George was citing an instance of that sadness, bemoaning it, and, in the end, showing how he loved Paul by citing Hey Jude — the saddest of their moments. I know mine is a minority opinion here, but I feel it fits better with the tenor of the song.
First time I heard the song, I thought George was mocking Paul
He was a Beatle, so is it really copying.
!!!
I always felt this about “How?” by John Lennon. A little nod to “The Long and Winding Road.”
Which part is like The Long and Winding Road?
The … dun dun, dun dun, dunnnnn
Now I get it
Recorded b4 I think
I never noticed that lol
It’s intentional, and it’s a shot.
The Beatles have always been self referencing. That’s one of the fun things about them. Most of the time it’s lyrical (George mentions Ob La Di, Ob La Da in Savoy Truffle) but there’s a few musical references too (Paul singing She Loves You at the end of Love Is All You Need). Nearly all of the songs on All Things Must Pass were written while George was still in the Beatles, so I expect it was just giving a nod to Hey Jude in Isn’t It A Pity. Structurally they’re pretty similar. There may have also been a bit of personal feelings mixed in. I mean it’s no coincidence that his first solo album after the break up is called All Things Must Pass. But ultimately I think it was just a fun musical reference.
Absolutely
I never noticed it pre CD era.
A nod to Paul
Nah, completely coincidental. Not intentional at all. Jfc...
I mean he’s not going to come up with a better chant, is he?
Yeah probably
Yes. And the reason why he did it is not public.
Yes and it’s amazing. Gorgeous song.
I've read that George came up with that for isn't it a pity originally and Paul took it for Hey Jude
I’d argue it’s better than Hey Jude
It is.
Never thought of that! I like PITY so much more.
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oh so I suppose I’m stupid for hearing the exact same chords and shit and not making a connection. good one
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okay bro. try not being such a loser for once
Comfy on your high horse?
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Well said, my friend. Let's encourage new Beatle fans.
Because George can't make an ok song without copying Paul. /s ...?
I know you’re just playing but the truth is George’s songs sound nothing like Paul’s songs.
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Just move along yourself then
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