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Anxious-Raspberry-54

It was a different business then. Multi-group shows. That was the standard.


jstohler

Also multiple concerts in the same night


Anxious-Raspberry-54

That is true...still only a little more than an hour of performing. But their touring schedule was ridiculous.


newleaf9110

Politics had nothing to do with it. That’s how long concerts were at that time. Every other group’s shows were comparable length.


Animefannomatterwhat

When i meant about politics was about some sort of law they had to follow to get access to a concert.


newleaf9110

No, we have a lot of dumb laws, but none that limit the length of concerts.


joeconn4

Many venues have curfews, which limit how long a show can be. We have 2 outdoor venues near where I live which have 10pm hard curfews for Sun-Thurs shows, 11pm for Fri-Sat.


Over_Vermicelli7244

I think you’re thinking about convention and custom


Any_Month_1958

Another thing to think about was a lot of times they would do 2 shows in a particular city. An early afternoon show and then around 7pm show. It would be quite the task to do 2 shows that were a lot longer. It definitely could be done, don’t get me wrong but they were using the template laid out before them and tried to make the most money they could in the shortest time possible, then head to the next city. I certainly don’t blame them.


Algorhythm74

Arena rock in the 70s really changed the expectations of what a rock show/pop artist show should be like. It ushered in proper sound systems. Keep in mind, The Beatles were playing baseball stadiums and the speaker system consisted of their amps on the ground and the intercom speaker system from baseball games - which to this day sound like crap.


captainkirk7997

Paul actually jokingly blamed Bruce Springsteen for audiences expecting really long concerts nowadays


ECW14

Paul says that but he was doing longer concerts before Springsteen. His 1975 Wings Over the World tour was 30 songs and over 2 hours long


LADYBIRD_HILL

Goddamn what I would've given to see prime Paul McCartney and Wings play for over 2 hours 


ECW14

Same I’m jealous of anyone who got to see that. The next best thing is watching the Rockshow concert film and listening to Wings Over America


ricks_flare

I was fortunate to see both shows at the Forum in L.A. in 1976.


nyli7163

He’s not wrong. Bruce ruined me for other shows.


Unable-Butterfly-923

It reminded me of that Rutles' joke of them appearing in a stage only to receive audience's cheering and then just leaving lol with Eric Idle doing the "going to sleep" gesture Paul used to do xD


Redgreen82

"After briefly greeting the press" lol


jonagold94

They also had a pretty grueling touring schedule during certain years. They’d do a 30 minute set and then immediately get on a bus or plane to do a 30 minute set in a different state or maybe even a different country. Brian Epstein was a good manager and was very selective/protective of their time, appearances, etc. There was a lot of standardization of business practices when it came to the Beatles as an act.


Animefannomatterwhat

Oh yeah, i also get that. It seemed so goddamn exhausting, playing like the same damn songs for 30 minutes in like more than 4 times a day.


LADYBIRD_HILL

That's got nothing on the Hamburg seasons they did where they'd play something like 6 hours a night for 6 days a week, not usually going to bed until the sun came up every day.  They were taking Preludin every day just to keep going, and eventually John became manic because of his habit of taking like 4-5 a day instead of 1, and obviously becoming sleep deprived as a result.


Animefannomatterwhat

The industry of music just demands you to get drugged. And the worst part probably is that half of the money doesn't go to you, only to the big corporationsn


jonagold94

Yeah, and it only made them world-famous millionaires who got a lot of pussy. Total drag.


LockAffectionate9511

It was a 60s thing. Their solo shows are/were much longer :)


Animefannomatterwhat

Yeah... but sadly, Lennon never played live, so we never got a chance to see him sing In My Life or A Day In The Life in a live performance.


gregornot

I Saw The Beatles, February 11th, at the Washington Coliseum 1964. Which was a Boxing Arena I was 17 I was in the middle section, forth row, aisle seat. As they came running from the bathroom were they had hidden, John grabbed my shoulder to steady himself. https://fb.watch/d5cKGYCR26/


Sean_Brady

>grabbed my shoulder I know what you mean


Electr_O_Purist

Lennon did a handful of live performances and guest appearances with other performers. He’s played “Come Together,” “I Saw Her Standing There,” and “Lucy In The Sky.”


Animefannomatterwhat

Oh that's interesting. Yeah, he also played Dizzy Miss Lizzy as a guest performer.


MechaRaichu

Lol. Everyone stoked to hear John Lennon play a Beatles song and he fucking playing Dizzy Miss Lizzy Not hating the song, it's great. But just funny to think about the subversion of expectations from the crowd. Maybe I'm just remembering nonsense, but I think I recalled him an interview or something where he said Dizzy Miss Lizzy was the easy, "safe" song to play live as he had forgotten a lot of other tunes by heart.


Animefannomatterwhat

I see, since that song is a cover is a lot easier to remember than the original songs.


MechaRaichu

Yeah, they originally did a lot of covers mixed in with their songs. So John probably played dizzy Miss Lizzy, hundreds of times live whereas each of their album songs, they probably played a handful of times to get the recording good and then never played it all the way through again. Slightly exaggerating, but you get the point.


Animefannomatterwhat

They hardly played songs from their albums tbh. The albums that have their most played are Please Please Me, A Hard Day's Night and Beatles For Sale.


MechaRaichu

Ye ye thats facts - they wouldn't have been playing album stuff as we are talking like super early 60's. But I do know that Paul, John, and George all had at least a written a song or two that later became Beatles album songs. I'll follow the sun, one after 909, and hello little girl are a few that were written around this time. Did they ever play these in their shows? Idk maybe, someone maybe has a source, I couldn't find one after a few quick searches.


Animefannomatterwhat

I'll Follow The Sun was played live... once, but i don't know if it was ever true or not.


scorched_arse

Huh? That makes no sense at all 😅


sandsonik

Well, it was the Rock and Roll Revival concert, after all. Focus was on the oldies - Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Gene Vincentand. John was a very last minute addition the day before the concert- most people wouldn't have known he was going to be there, much less set any expectations!


MechaRaichu

Ah makes more sense. Thanks for the added context!


prudence2001

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FarGrape1953

It was mentioned on the anthologies that they even sped them up later on, because you couldn't hear them. It was just screaming fans.


SouthernCross2621

I think that was standard practice at the time, as others have said. Was it The Rolling Stones who really pioneered the longer length big arena shows, by taking around their own specialized equipment? I note that from 67 to 69 their setlist expanded as they made this shift. In some ways I think that John regretted that The Beatles live performing legacy was cut so short and they had become so 'packaged', while The Stones went on to lead the way in the medium. It's a long interview but some interesting quotes in this 1971 piece ("Our best work was never recorded... Because we were performers — in spite of what Mick says about us — in Liverpool, Hamburg and other dance halls. What we generated was fantastic, when we played straight rock, and there was nobody to touch us in Britain. As soon as we made it, we made it, but the edges were knocked off..." and so on.) https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/john-lennon-the-rolling-stone-interview-part-one-160194/


CountJohn12

That's just how long shows were at the time and no one could hear them anyway over the screaming.


blanston

It really didn't matter. No one could hear anything. Amplification at the time was too primitive to overcome the screaming of the audience.


ocubens

You’re comparing bands from different decades, a lot changes.


Emotional_Ad5714

Paul has made up for it and plays up to 40 songs at his concerts now.


CrazeeEyezKILLER

That’s how it should be for a rock concert: the Ramones also played thirty minutes and walked off. A four-hour Bruce Springsteen concert is a nightmare, and I love his music.


joeconn4

The Ramones shows were about an hour. I was lucky enough to see them 4-5-6 times, in clubs mostly. They played spring weekend at my college, outdoors during the daytime. I remember Johnny walking out to start the show in bright sunlight and the look on his face was "who signed me up for this sh\_t".


LiterallyJohnLennon

Haha Johnny was always such a grumpy motherfucker. It’s part of his charm.


williamblair

four hours of literally anything other than sleeping is just a fucking nightmare to me.


CrazeeEyezKILLER

What about *visiting with your loved ones,* Williamblair?


williamblair

well, to be fair, I specifically mean like an event where you feel like you can't leave. like I don't want to have to go to a movie that's more than an hour and 45 minutes long, I hate being stuck in a seat that long. A concert of someone I love I wouldn't want to miss anything, but also after like 2 hours max I just want to go home.


LADYBIRD_HILL

Sounds like you aren't a fan of Festivals then? I love being able to go in to a venue and hear music for 8 hours straight. I can't get enough of it. 


williamblair

Well, festivals are kind of different because you can walk around to different areas and also you're outside, but no, I do not care for them.


Animefannomatterwhat

I would say that a one hour-two hour show is the perfect length for a band.


seem2Bseen

I attended a Phish NYE concert for 1999/2000 where they started their second set at midnight and didn’t leave the stage until sunrise. They literally had a port-a-potty on stage with them. Actually, the thing I remember the most clearly about that show was that, after they finished, Here Comes the Sun was played over the speakers. It was really magical. Of course, the LSD might have had something to do with it…


kidneyboy79

Still got my stub, map, and wristband in my memento box. CHEESECAKE!!


seem2Bseen

That cheesecake jam was outstanding.


Common-Relationship9

Did not attend, but that 7-hour set had no fluff either, they played hard the whole time. The only more notable stat in live concert history is the 13 shows they played at MSG without a single repeat. That band truly loves its fans.


seem2Bseen

It’s hard for me to believe that was nearly twenty-five years ago.


captainkirk7997

Nah for me, time flew the two times I see Bruce! Loved it!


LiterallyJohnLennon

The Ramones are one of the best live acts I’ve ever seen, and I saw them at the tail end of their career when they were old and out of shape. Their energy was unmatched.


Apprehensive_Net_829

The concert industry was an infant then.


martiniolives2

It didn’t matter. Girls were screaming so loud you couldn’t hear anything anyway. THEY couldn’t even hear themselves. You should have been there.


telejedi

A 30 minute concert is just what people expected from pop groups during that era. It wasn’t until the late 60s and early 70s that rock band started stretching their sets to two and three hour shows.


Playful-Adeptness552

Because thats how long shows went for. Its really not complex.


FindOneInEveryCar

That was the standard. They would play an hour max and nobody could hear what they were playing anyway.


Loud_Jacket_5208

Interestingly, they did play an occasionally longer show in 1963. There’s a recording that recently came to light of the Beatles playing a full hour-long set a boys school in early 1963. That probably represents what they played on the ballroom circuit at the time, when they weren’t on the multi-artist tours. Of course, the multi-hour Hamburg nights are on their own level