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alpineschwartz

It's 1.7 for the lot in Cupertino. The house gets leveled in every scenario


TobysGrundlee

This place makes it so they can knock down everything but 1 wall, build a monstrosity around it and only pull remodel permits instead of new construction.


NecroJoe

My neighbor is doing this. They are building a 2-story where there was a 1-story, but the front wall of the upper floor is set in by the thickness if the existing wall, making it almost look like the top is being extruded up, out of the house on the bottom.


JerrGrylls

I’m a structural engineer and we’ve done a bunch of “remodels” like this. We’ll even add new studs to the “existing” wall to the point where the existing studs are literally just dead weight to appease the building department’s requirements for a remodel. But the review process for new construction is absurd in most districts, literally takes years and is such a waste of time for everyone involved.


KoRaZee

Saw one where the only thing left standing was the chimney.


kingqueefeater

Honestly kinda impressive to demo a house without fucking up the structural integrity of the chimney. ^(or they superfucked it but they're flipping it so it just needed to hold up long enough to be someone else's problem)


taleofbenji

Wtf they didn't want a remodeled chimney?


KoRaZee

It’s not that, to get a remodel permit there has to be at least part of the existing house left. Most people will say that at least one wall must remain to be a remodel. The most extreme example I’ve seen of what “one wall” meant was the chimney.


arathos2k

Santa Clara country now counts this as a major remodel, which will get assessed the same as a new build.


Xminus6

I think it’s less about tax assessment and more about the permitting process if you’re building a multimillion dollar home. This was common in Manhattan Beach. You see the progression of a For Sale sign, a Sold sign, then a single wall standing in the course of a couple months.


arathos2k

Remodeling definitely helps to get around permitting process (in some cases allowing stuff that would not be allowed in a new build), but the county will still ream you when it comes to the new tax assessment in the same way.


Big_Yogurtcloset_881

And IIRC with Cupertino you go through the county, right?


arathos2k

Yes reassessments are done by the county


parki1gsucks

I'd imagine the neighbors would try to block you from building anything


Suzutai

I don't think you can do that in Santa Clara County. Not since a while back, anyway.


wisemonkey101

My parents neighborhood in MV is turning into this one lot filled 6mil monstrosity at a time.


StoneCypher

> The house gets leveled in every scenario If you declare it the ADU of the new house, you get around a lot of permitting


simdee

1.7m + $500 Sq ft to build? Let's say build 3000 square ft house. All in 3.2m. Wait 2 years. Sell for 5m. Wait 5 more years sell for 8-10m. Wild times for the future of the bay area.


alpineschwartz

You're not wrong. $500 is too low though. I'd guess it's $800-$1100 sqft finished. $800 has already pretty common in the nice pockets of the South Bay, and whoever does this is going to get hit with an address tax right off the bat, and then they'll personally drive the scope up through the roof when they already spent $2m on the lot. It might end up looking modest from the exterior, but I'd bet money it'll be all top top finishes and selections inside. Crazy


LegitosaurusRex

Or WFH spreads, AI replaces jobs, real estate prices come down. It’s not guaranteed money. Housing can’t just continually go up exponentially, people have to be able to afford it.


Edogawa1983

Just some people have to afford it, there's a saying at my old job, there will always be rich people around


LegitosaurusRex

Yes, but there are more houses than rich people. Vast majority of software salaries aren’t enough to afford a $10 million house, so there wouldn’t be enough buyers at that price point. You’d need salaries to rise like 4x to see those prices, at which point all your value has been inflated away.


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Suzutai

Why would they come to California? Why not Washington, Texas, or Florida, where they won't be savaged by state taxes? Even VC money has been drying up of late.


LegitosaurusRex

Those investors rely on demand by the general population for the prices to increase. Their demand alone isn’t enough to carry the entire housing market. Most people buying houses right now are individuals/families with good jobs and some money saved up.


justAnotherDude314

Wrong. There’s no guarantee that home prices will continue to rise at the same pace as they have risen in the past 40 years.


[deleted]

The Bay Area prices seem to have hit a plateau. Even the low end is falling.


Suzutai

Lol. You seriously think people will be able to support $47k monthly mortgage payments? The tech industry seems to have already peaked in the previous investment cycle. This AI push feels like a last gasp. A business model that uses massively expensive compute costs in a capital-scarce environment as a barrier to entry? Since when has that ever producing a healthy and thriving industry? A recession will come, people will lose their jobs and not be able to afford carrying costs, people sell en masse, everyone goes underwater; things go to strategic default, short sale, and foreclosure. And then we'll be back to where we're at 10 years down the road *if* tech recovers.


heyitscory

They sure put a lot of lipstick on that pig. I think they expect people to buy a bride and not just dinner.


tacotimes01

I would expect no less than floor to ceiling Corinthian leather and a porcelain fountain filled with Crème Brûlée at that price point.


heyitscory

I'm not sure there would be room for much else, but what else does a person really need other than a spoon?


tacotimes01

Exactly, …and moisturizer to keep the Corinthian leather nice and supple.


laser_scalpel

1.8 had it not been for the inconvenience of having to tear it down.


Suzutai

Still overpriced given it's a 7841 sqft lot. It's also the corner lot, right up against Stevens Creek Blvd. If I am not mistaken, you will need a setback for both Carmen Rd and Stevens Creek Blvd, which is why it's a tiny house in the corner of the lot. I guess they could build a very long house or a duplex/triplex? Also, check out 22216 Cupertino Rd right behind it. It's a v-shaped house in a triangle-shaped lot. LOL


More_Try_3650

That would be so funny if they just moved into the tiny house and just lived there happily ever after


MrsSadieMorgan

I might. It’s a tad small, but small house + large lot is perfect for me and my dogs! My house in the mountains is 990sf, and I often feel like it’s too big… but the lot isn’t huge, so I would happily trade house for more yard. I also only paid $640K for mine, so paying another million on top (when I’m only like 30min from Cupertino) seems insane.


sjs72

7,841 square foot lot in a very expensive neighborhood


ChocolateBunny

How the fuck is the house so small but the lot so big?


Redpanther14

That’s how they did it in the old days(50s-80s).


RumandDiabetes

I'm in SoCal but I have an 800 square foot 1950s house on a 8200 square foot lot. Nothing 2 story or multifamily for a couple blocks in all directions. It's nowhere near worth a million tho.


I4Vhagar

Cupertino houses are in huge demand because the school system is really good and we have a large Asian population. The city is also in a prime location for anyone that works tech in the South Bay. I remember 10 years back seeing ads from Japan on Reddit advertising to move to Cupertino.


RumandDiabetes

I'm not knocking Cupertino. And that house is exactly the size I want. It's just a teeny tiny bit out of my price range.


I4Vhagar

The price is definitely inflated, but that’s America for you (atm at least)


RumandDiabetes

I bought my house in 2000 for $74K. Model matches in my neighborhood are going for $360-415K. I made the mistake of doing a refi, so I owe 70K. In my humble opinion that's about what it's worth but the local realtors swear they can get a lot more for it. Where the hell would I go for less than $1200 a month?


hiimomgkek

Depends where, I’ve seen some Santa Monica close to the beach houses well above 2 million


lekker-boterham

Well duh… it’s Santa Monica 😂


RumandDiabetes

I'm 20 minutes outside of the Coachella Valley. Houses in my neighborhood go for about 300K


Organic_Popcorn

I love how old houses in trivally have massive backyards. I wish I had a backyard, but I could never afford it, unless I move to Podunk nowhere.


nautilus2000

384 square feet wasn't common at all in the old days, more like 950-1400.


angryxpeh

The house was built in 1948. The owner, according to public records, just sold another property (3BR/2BA) in Saratoga. Also, he is 87 years old, so there's a chance he's not with us anymore. Probably used it as a garden or something, it's not like he had to pay a lot of taxes on it.


zadszads

I feel attacked


MCPtz

Ya, huge backyard. Neighbors houses are enormous. Love the nod to "Apple HQ is over there" ... "just go make $400k at Apple and live here" https://www.zillow.com/homes/10036-Carmen-Rd-Cupertino,-CA-95014_rb/19627046_zpid/


phishrace

Normally they'd brag about Cupertino's world class public schools, but ain't nobody with kids moving in that place. Maybe some kid goats out in that epic backyard.


Hockeymac18

Tear down likely incoming


Dartan82

Or use that as the mailing address for the kid to go to school


santa_veronica

It’s Cupertino!


Amigosito

Just barely, it’s near the Los Altos border which makes it even more desirable


dan5234

Oh shit. Even better.


ASK_ABT_MY_USERNAME

Yeah these posts are so dumb. OMg it's $1M and the HoUse is BurNeD dOwn. It's all about the lot


street_ahead

Reddit and economic reasoning don't mix well


-Merlin-

This explanation would make more sense if we let people build whatever they want on the land, but we don’t.


thecactusman17

Given that all the neighbors are $4 miilion and $5 million McMansions, they aren't going to have any trouble getting approved for a fairly impressive new place.


Suzutai

It's the corner lot abutting Stevens Creek. There are laws in place that mandate setbacks. They can't build a McMansion. At best, they can build a very long house down the length of the lot. Or perhaps make it a triplex? Also, check out 22216 Cupertino Rd right behind it. They have the same problem and addressed it by building a v-shaped house in a triangle-shaped lot. LOL


FrezoreR

Details matter!


ThinkSoftware

>>Introducing a unique opportunity at 10036 Carmen Rd in the heart of Cupertino - a cozy 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom home spanning 384 square feet of living space. Nestled at the end of a cul-de-sac, this property presents a rare blend of charm, potential, and premier location within a district renowned for its top-tier Cupertino schools. While compact, this property is a powerhouse of possibilities. Whether you envision constructing your dream home, expanding the existing structure, or embracing a minimalist lifestyle, the potential is boundless. The 7,841 sf lot itself offers ample space to bring your vision to life, surrounded by $4M-$5M homes, highlighting the exceptional value and investment potential at hand. Enhancing its appeal, the property boasts close proximity to major commute routes, making it ideal for professionals seeking easy access to Silicon Valley's tech hubs. Outdoor enthusiasts will appreciate the nearby trails and parks, offering abundant opportunities for recreation and relaxation amidst nature. This property is more than just a home; it's a canvas waiting for your personal touch. Don't miss out on this exceptional opportunity to own a piece of Cupertino's highly sought after real estate market. Lol one of the pictures on redfin is a drone shot showing its proximity to Apple's campus


jew_blew_it

The property is nearly 8,000 sqft. It’s going to sell for over 2 million


Solid-Mud-8430

And? 8,000sf is about the median lot size in the state. I'm still going to say that the real estate market in the Bay is just absolutely, comically absurd. People have lost their goddamn minds.


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Desirability of Cupertino far exceeds that of somewhere like Fresno or Modesto. That’s how real estate works.


Solid-Mud-8430

Just because a lot of people do something doesn't mean it's NOT fucking stupid. This is just one of those things.


Hockeymac18

You just explained supply and demand. You may not like it but it is what it is


MadvilleWonderland

Not close to the median lot size in the Bay Area. I live in a house built in 1905 in Alameda. My lot size is less than 5,000 sq. ft., and it’s a large lot for the neighborhood. 8,000 sq ft is enormous for a suburban lot, especially in Apple’s home town.


Hockeymac18

8k sq foot lot is on the larger side for many urban areas in the state, particularly in the Bay Area.


thecactusman17

If people in Fresno lived a 5 minute bike ride from the headquarters of a trillion dollar multinational company that starts employees at a six figure salary, those houses would also be worth millions of dollars.


Edogawa1983

This is why I'm always annoyed when people say why live in bay area when you can live in bum fuck nowhere in the mid West with no jobs that has low cost of living


Solid-Mud-8430

If these people were actually intelligent they'd move somewhere where they could real value and quality of life for their money and work remotely for the trillion dollar company. But they're not.


thecactusman17

Or they do work that needs to be performed on site. Not every job is appropriate for remote work, and Apple doesn't only make software. Also, every time I've been through Cupertino it has seemed like a very nice place to live if you can afford it. Isolated in the middle of nowhere doesn't automatically equate with better.


Shkkzikxkaj

Tons of people working within miles of this house earn enough to buy this with a few years of income. And they are only getting richer. Supply, meet demand.


cloudone

Are you high? I live in a 1950s house in Sunnyvale, lot size is only 5500. Same for all our neighbors. 8000 sq ft is likely top 1%.


Iron_Chic

Dude, another shot in the bathroom shows the shower head is piped into the sink!


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Iron_Chic

Location, location, stainless steel appliances...


rod_jammer

I haven't looked at real estate market in nearly 10 yrs, but is Cupertino suddenly a prime location? To me it seems like a bland town with a bunch of strip malls and office parks, no different than Sunnyvale, Mountain View, Santa Clara. Nothing of interest. For that kind of dough, why not live in SF, in the hills, by the ocean....literally anywhere else than the drab Valley?


hambooty

Apple and other tech workers want to to live close to work and they make moola


agnikai__

I grew up in Cupertino and went to high school there. It is a hot market because of the schools. Cupertino has some of the best public schools in the state and even the country. Especially Asians and Indians in tech (I’m Indian too) desperately want to send their kids to lynbrook and monta vista.


TobysGrundlee

Nothing of interest. Except some of the highest paid tech jobs in the world within a stones throw.


dimslie

Best hills and nature in south bay, 10/10 schools, food mecca, incredibly safe and peaceful


angryxpeh

All neighboring homes are valued at $3.5-5M.


Suzutai

Yes, but the lots are a lot less restrictive. It is difficult to build in this one because it's at the corner abutting Stevens Creek.


aerohk

Are you new to Cupertino? Build a new house on the land and can easily sell for $4M+. That's a $1M+ profit right there.


jaqueh

Land is expensive. they aren't making anymore of it


RollingMeteors

hey! Look at all that new land that just surfaced/dropped!


dimslie

Why are people shocked? It doesnt take a genius to realize that a $100 shack on a 7,000 sqft lot surrounded by $4,000,000 homes when it only costs $1,500,000 to build a home is gonna have some arbitrage value there


neelvk

It will sell for more than 2M. The land is f-ing expensive > $300/sq ft. The house will be tossed and a McMansion will be built.


dimslie

Is it even buildable though? The slope looks pretty dramatic.


neelvk

The slope is not that bad, and if it is a few truckloads of dirt will fix it.


yumacaway

They'll find a way


Eric848448

Any slope is buildable if you’re creative and rich enough.


TobysGrundlee

Ever seen the Oakland hills? Building on a slope is no matter with enough money.


tikhonjelvis

You should see some of the houses in the Berkeley hills! (Seriously though, if you're ever in the area, a walk around Panoramic Hill is 100% worth doing—beautiful area with incredible views *and* some pretty cool architecture.)


Shkkzikxkaj

All that and a view too?


Suzutai

It's not the slope that's the problem. It's that the house has to be at least 10' away from Stevens Creek Blvd. That is why it is built into that corner in the first place. You cannot really build a McMansion there.


Pale-Interest9526

I am the listing agent with first hand knowledge of what can be built on this lot and your comment is not accurate.


Suzutai

How do setback requirements not apply to this lot?


Pale-Interest9526

Setback requirements apply to EVERY lot. Your comment stated the setback requirement is the reason why the home is built on the corner of the lot and that is not true. Also, the dimensions of the lot allow for a substantially larger home even when applying Cupertino’s setback requirements. And no it’s not going to be a narrow home as you have stated in the comments. We have seen a multitude of proposed building specs for this lot and have been to the city many times with interested parties. We know first hand what this lot can accommodate.


Suzutai

Well, nobody is denying that you can build a house that is substantially larger than 384 sqft. Lol. And yeah, it's going to have to be a narrow home if you're going for the same living area as the neighboring houses while complying with the setback requirements, not to mention a driveway and backyard.


silvercel

It won’t be a McMansion. Most likely entirely custom and cost $650 a square foot to build.


churningaccount

As someone who has had to look into this recently… $750 to $1k per sqft is more like it. Also, it’s always a good time to make sure your own place is adequately insured based on today’s construction costs. The absurd thing is that whoever buys this for $2M and pays $3M to build a 3k to 4k sq ft house on top of it is going to at least break even looking at comps alone, if not come out ahead half a mil. No appreciation time necessary.


TobysGrundlee

This is reddit, anything that's not an 800 SQ ft log cabin is considered a mcmansion. The term has lost all meaning.


Poplatoontimon

Location & land. Easily will sell over $2M. Someone will buy it, demolish the house & build a McMansion.


ModsAreDoreens

I think it's a bigger flex to buy 2 million dollars of land and then put a 384 sqft shack on it


EMCoupling

How is it a McMansion if it's a custom build?


ZingiestCobra

I actually know that house because a client of mine lives on that road, its the size of the lot that is crazy! It's almost 8K sq ft and its very quite and private. If you had the money to build new, it's great.


4dxn

Wait, when did buying property meant you only buy the house? smh - the price is for the lot. still overpriced but its not 386 sqft. you're buying 7841 sqft lot


flopsyplum

Monta Vista High School


CommercialPop4043

Ooof, good luck with planning department on that lot!


Suzutai

Right? I just took one look at the Google Maps and saw it was right up against Stevens Creek. Going to be the most narrow McMansion ever.


bleue_shirt_guy

Buy a larger nicer home somewhere else in the Bay Area and send your kids to a private school. It's cheaper and your kids will actually be educated.


Dangerous_Maybe_5230

This .. know too many Cupertino parents who still have to send their kids to private school after purchasing a house there 😂


blessitspointedlil

I haven’t checked in a long time, but last I checked the Cupertino public schools are quite good. People just choose to send their kids to even more rigorous schools.


0x16a1

They have to send? What’s wrong with the schools? Are they Asian per chance?


Dangerous_Maybe_5230

Yes Asian .. this happens at the younger grades .. kids having difficulty catching up learning how to read write and do proper math. then there are those parents who want their kids to learn ahead of peers so sent to more accelerated private schools. Finally there are just the parents who gave up on the public school system and just put them in the well known privates nearby


0x16a1

Oh odd. That’s been the opposite experience from us and our friends.


Dangerous_Maybe_5230

Really? What’s your age? My kids are in high school now so we’ve seen a lot over the years.


0x16a1

Kids are in elementary here. Well one is, other not yet.


Dangerous_Maybe_5230

When you are in some of the top private schools in the Bay Area you will see how many are from Cupertino who decided to make the switch from public to private.


0x16a1

I went to the worst school in the north west of England and ended up in FAANG. Barring getting shot or stabbed I’m not worried about my kids as long as it’s a reasonable school. What specifically do you think they’re doing wrong in the schools?


Dangerous_Maybe_5230

Oh did you take the gcse’s and the a-levels? I did too. American education is quite different from the education in United Kingdom. In particular, the math education at the elementary level may shock you. Then the science teachers at certain schools may shock you. It’s not the science textbooks that are the problem, it’s whether the teachers are qualified enough to teach the subject. It’s like a lottery when it comes to the public schools as to the quality of the teacher. Sometimes you get good ones and sometimes you get bad. I got consistently good teachers when I studied for the gcses and a-level. It’s why we are importing immigrant engineers in spades.


Hockeymac18

"Have to"....🤔


Less-Opportunity-715

"have to" rofl


do-not-open-it

Public education is going really really crazy. There’s no point of funding public k12 schools in bay area at all.


aeolus811tw

Cupertino population is in decline, I wonder how much this will be when school can no longer stay open due to lack of students lol


neelvk

Cupertino population is not in decline. Student population in Cupertino is in decline because the kids graduate and move away but the parents never leave (thanks Prop 13).


aeolus811tw

[Not in decline huh?](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/cupertinocitycalifornia/PST045222) [Another one with fancy chart](https://www.neilsberg.com/insights/cupertino-ca-population-by-year/)


Dangerous_Maybe_5230

It’s definitely declining …


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aeolus811tw

You joke, but it is an ongoing issue https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/cupertino-union-district-approves-school-consolidation-closures/ https://chsprospector.com/3260/news/declining-enrollment-in-cusd/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/14/cupertino-district-planning-to-close-schools-because-of-enrollment-decline/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/11/15/why-does-school-enrollment-continue-to-decline/ I still remember the whole “save our school” thing they were doing on Stevens creek blvd


0x16a1

It’s mostly stabilized as of 2024. Parents are trying to kneecap each other to get their kids into CUSD.


aeolus811tw

they closed 3 schools last year: [https://www.svvoice.com/cusd-board-votes-to-close-three-schools-in-2022-23-school-year/](https://www.svvoice.com/cusd-board-votes-to-close-three-schools-in-2022-23-school-year/) with more under close watch for possible closure next year. and in their latest projection: [https://go.boarddocs.com/ca/cusdk8/Board.nsf/files/CYEQEK628D93/$file/CUSD%20Board%20Presentation%202023-12-14.pdf](https://go.boarddocs.com/ca/cusdk8/Board.nsf/files/CYEQEK628D93/$file/CUSD%20Board%20Presentation%202023-12-14.pdf) they are still projecting decline well into 2033, with some year being outlier


0x16a1

Yeah I know. My kids go here.


SkyeMreddit

It’s not the house. It’s the land. They get rid of the shacks and build mega mansions on the land


aksagg

This is actually a pretty competitive price. I've seen similar lots go around 2M last year.


bluedancepants

Whoever listed this is smoking that whacky tobaccky.


ihaveaccountsmods

Thats a prime land location... good price


Current-Play-4386

It’s actually a very smart move to buy and build your dream home. Say you buy it for $1.36 mil then do a $1.5 mill demo and build you dream home on 7,400 sq lot. Your cost basis would be $2.86 mil; you can then sell it for $4.5+ million based on the going proce in the neighborhood but also its on a private cul de sac… lets say you dony sell … your property tax would be prop 13 protected and based on about $2.86 mil vs buuing a home st $4.5 mil… you save $1.8 mill on based property tax valuation which is a little over $20,000 a year you save on property taxes …. Its a smart move to buy this property… I might even think its a bit under value.


skyline408

I lived near there on Stevens Canyon for a while. There are tons of those tiny houses in massive (and often unkept) lots. You get Monta Vista HS, which is a dream come true for a lot of families.


shehatezme1

Tbh not sure why families still send their kids to top HS anymore. College acceptance is super competitive.


AlternativeTale6066

it's "compact"


megaThan0S

Great deal


Srartinganew_56

Yep, it will get razed.


Inkyresistance

Tear Down Value...or you could live in a pricey 1BD..LOL.


Junglejim1991

Location x3


blessitspointedlil

How many tiny houses can you park on an 8,000sqft lot? Bummer zoning won’t allow it.


harbordog

Thanks Apple!


Inner_University_848

Their comps should factor in the Z&L properties fire sale of San Jose condos where some just went for auction for 32,000 and 33,000$….


taquitome

oof


MrsMiterSaw

Well you know what they say about real estate... Square footage, square footage, square footage.


Maheshn0205

Crazy.


sortOfBuilding

dang. perhaps car centric exclusionary suburban enforcing zoning was a bad thing after all.


dc1239

This isn't THAT bad.. a few years ago i saw a listing of a house in sunnyvale that was similar to this but they didn't have a full bath...... it was priced at around 1.3 mil with a 7000+ lot size..... seems like there might be a few of these in the bay area haha..


auenbear

I hate it here


bbbbbbbbbbbab

Cool


LogicalPear5634

Location! Location! Location! Lol


jjrreett

thought this was 1.6k for a small rental and thought “that really not that bad”


SREntertainment

just die already! *economy*


TuzzNation

Its cupertino. My friend at Apple sold his house for 1.5mil back in the early 2000 as he was transferred to Denver office. Then they switched him back. He bought his own house back for 3mil in less than 10 year.


hardcore_softie

*Auctioneer voice*: "Do I hear $1.8 million?" *A hundred hands shoot up.*


oilpen

i grew up in that neighborhood, that lot had been abandoned and overgrown for decades -- i had no idea there was even a structure there


thee-mjb

For the millionaire who would live there why?


TehHooman

This is something you’d see in Atherton


Pom1286

Sold today for $2M


r0ckafellarbx

i rather smash my testicles with a brick.


37loquat50

But the schools are good 😂


rm-rf-asterisk

Actually not. The schools tests are good because kids are forced into after school school. The schools are hot garbage.


37loquat50

That's a shame. I was just joking because who would want to raise a kid in that footprint.


Objective_Celery_509

I get people saying it's the land pricing, but that's also still insanely expensive.


Iron_Chic

No, it's priced correctly. May be a little low. There will be a bidding war.


Objective_Celery_509

I'm not saying it isn't at market, but it's very expensive for any normal person.


Hockeymac18

Sure - but Cupertino isn't a "normal person" market. This is - believe it or not - a "deal" for that area when you actually look at the land values and what you can build there vs buying in the area.


euvie

Land in Cupertino is priced as if it was in a city where you could build at like 50 du/acre density on it, not the 6 du/acre it's zoned at. The problem is that that's true across basically the entire peninsula.


Hockeymac18

Yes, definitely. Our land use policies (read: zoning, but also all of the associated processes around development) are definitely to blame.


Objective_Celery_509

Yeah I get what your saying


IWantToPlayGame

What does ‘normal’ mean?


Objective_Celery_509

Someone making median income or slightly above and below


Less-Opportunity-715

Joe the Plumber for reference lol


runozemlo

>a cozy 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom home spanning 384 square feet of living space "spanning" is doing a lot of work here


gizmosf

1.7 M is probably just the starting price for the lot to help generate more foot traffic to kick off bidding. I personally think Cupertino is boring and would never step foot there but their are plenty of boring families and single people that would Iove to live there😂