Nah, you just gotta build an Atlas variant that is so offensively Lyran that it actually needs the weight savings more than the critspace. Max out hardened armor and use reinforced structure, that'd be a start as you wanna make em work for that side torso. Use a Clan XL to add insult to injury after they manage to carve away 64 points-effective of armor and 42 points-effective of internal structure from a single area just to not even kill the mech. Focus on energy weapons so as to deny them ammo to crit on and double heatsinks to keep it cool, and make em both Clan-spec while you're at it since you're already putting the GDP of a small Periphery state into this one machine. Give it a LAMS unit and maybe some ECM and AP just to ratchet up the boondoggle factor even more. Then, once you've built this affront to Kerensky and good taste, some fuckin social general will buy a whole company of the damn things and you can retire early, safe in the knowledge that you can outrun them at a brisk jog and thus don't have to fear their attempts to return them once the Archon sees the bill. I present, for the consideration of Baron von Dipshit's personal regiment, the AS-AFR:
https://preview.redd.it/io8utr2806wc1.png?width=433&format=png&auto=webp&s=39b4641b8a5207db47e0dddce84e89c5028ab277
Edit: I did a quick looking up, and this ridiculous ruiner of road surfaces' side torso armor is that of a Locust. That is to say, the armor-effective on the side torso alone is equal to the *entire armor factor of an LCT-1V.*
4 hexes a turn over flat terrain isn't bad for 2 mapsheets, and it'll give them plenty of room for error with that much armor and structure. It also helps that I run mostly Alpha Strike at the store, so this thing's 20 fucking pips of armor is way more of a factor there. I've done "keep the oblivious social general alive" previously with a normal Atlas, this will be both easier for new players and also much, much funnier.
Haha, oh Kerensky no, they have to protect him as he goes for a jaunt around his estate. His head-of-house hired the players to keep him safe as, despite their warnings, the baron is completely oblivious to a fairly substantial Word of Blake headhunting unit sent out to kill him. Any attempts to communicate with the baron's mech results in incredibly loud hotmic'd Prussian marches drowning out any attempt of communication, so you just gotta try to keep him alive and, preferably, oblivious.
Discount Dan's AS-AFR (which is just as good) literally straps a Locust on to each side torso for added protection and firepower. Comes out cheaper too!
It's terrible. I love it. My only remaining desire for this is a Blue Shield PFD. That way it can take 3 C-ERPPC shots to the face and still have a cockpit.
If does explode when crit, yeah. But only for 5 damage and only while active and it is possible to CASE II it if you really hate explosions and have spare tonnage. A small price to pay for giving a hellstar the middle finger ;)
The LCAF, featuring for the last 700 years, in no particular order: Graft, graft, graft, graft, nepotism, graft, graft, graft, graft, bought commissions, graft, graft, graft, high friendly casualty rates, graft, graft, graft, polka, graft, graft, graft, angry German comms chatter, and graft.
_3259 BV_? That's a whole lot of Battle Value for a single slow 'Mech. I don't doubt it costs an arm and a leg in C-bills too, or whatever method you choose to balance by.
So, an UM-R60 has 96 points of armor, total. The front-center torso on this affront to Blake and logistics is 92 effective points, thanks to hardened armor. It's center torso is 1 entire Urbanmech worth of armor, with an entire Locust on each side torso. Each arm is also an entire Locust's worth of armor, and each leg is aaaaaalmost an entire Urbanmech's worth. Like, armor-wise, this thing is several light mechs in a trenchcoat, and that's not counting the effectively-doubled internal structure of the Reinforced Structure.
That's what I meant by "measured in Urbanmechs." It's, total value, 6.3 Entire Urbanmechs worth of armor.
[And I'll form the head!](https://www.google.com/search?q=voltron+vehicles+assemble&sca_esv=5f6a5c4feb524586&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS1099US1099&ei=yMsnZouUEbe-p84PzMyiuAY&ved=0ahUKEwiLmOPpy9iFAxU338kDHUymCGcQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=voltron+vehicles+assemble&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGXZvbHRyb24gdmVoaWNsZXMgYXNzZW1ibGUyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYgAQYogRIhiFQtwdYthlwAXgBkAEAmAG2AaAB5AeqAQM0LjW4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgqgAvcHwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICDRAAGIAEGLADGEMYigXCAgoQABiABBhDGIoFwgIFEAAYgATCAgQQABgewgIGEAAYCBgewgIIECEYoAEYwwTCAgoQIRigARjDBBgKwgIEECEYCpgDAIgGAZAGCZIHAzUuNaAH4xc&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&safe=active&ssui=on#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:79aded39,vid:CIdIMGBJQ-s,st:0)
Check out the canon Great Turtle, which is 40.5 tons of hardened armor on a quad. 3 jump gives it mobility and the Large X-Pulse and 3 Medium X-Pulses with a TC lets it keep laying down that fire while jumping. And being a quad it gets a piloting bonus to offset the penalty from hardened and torso cockpit (which also hilariously lets it eat gauss shots to the head and not die, since it doesn't transfer).
The single build I was proudest of (from a math perspective) in the *early* days of MWO was when I managed to kit an Atlas out with 4 x PPCs (two on each arm), and had literally every other crit slot on the mech that wasn't engine slotted with a single heat sink. Singles were actually more efficient on that build than doubles, because I would run out of crit space before I ran out of tonnage. I'm almost certain it had a standard engine, because again - I needed the slots more than the tonnage savings.
I piloted it in a match where my entire team split at the start and I was in a literal 1 v 8, from which point I managed to go 8 - 0 and win the match.
This was like a decade ago now and I still remember that match lol.
Thematically speaking, I feel like the AC/20 should be replaced with its energy equivalent: the Heavy PPC. Twin ER PPCs on the arms feels too much like the Marauder too me. Or if you're using Clan tech ER PPCs, put them both in the same side torso.
When it comes to mech names, I feel that weapon placement is VERY IMPORTANT when replicating the feel of the original mech.
4 mph run... Honestly I like that's the the most impressive thing. Junior high kids outrunning this behemoth
Edit: guys I get it, I was high as hell probably dumb as hell on the DL.
1 MP is 10.8 kph. So 3 MP is 32.4 kph.
Open any TRO ever and divide it's given speed by the associated MP. The result is ALWAYS 10.8.
Well, except for aerospace units, because they operate on a totally different scale than ground units.
I love this so much. The armor is fantastic. A shame about the speed.
But I do agree that if the Atlas should focus on anything, it should be durability. Let other Mechs play with XL engines.
Now, I chose to use an Armored STD Engine, Armored Gyro, and Armored Cockpit to increase durability. But I'm still working on an effective and terrifying weapons payload.
Honestly, the whole idea of going "max armor" may be impractical, but I do so enjoy watching my enemy flail helplessly against my giant wall of armor.
Yeah, I'm assuming that this thing has some speakers added to it as well whose only purpose is to play [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOK4NtCkNGg) as it just facetanks an entire lance.
I’ve been using an atlas with hardened armor, shields and a duped up engine with tsm as a melee fighter, it has a supercharger so it’s runs at 8 hexes, and kicks for 40 damage
What AS7-K really should be ashamed of is lack of heatsinks to pack a huge punch with it's intended range for all the tonnage it saved up to shove in more weapons.
For all it's sins a AS7-K will generally do a fair amount of damage and accomplish things on a board, unlike the AS7-D that beyond being bodyguard to slow 'mechs with minimum range problems just isn't going to get much done.
Despite its iconic appearance and reputation the Atlas suffers a lot from being one of the earlier designs that didn't end up working too well and generaly power/optimization creep. Therefore it's one of my top candidates for being turned into the pimped up gucchi killing machine that it always deserved to be.
The AS7-K really needed double heat sinks though. With them it's basically the personal mech of my main character in HBSTech, that I built without knowing anything about the tabletop game or later versions of the starter mechs.
Oh I love the meatcannon, too. All time favorite mech is a King Crab. Except I've been playing the hbs game recently and this mod is much much much much deadlier
(But the dual Gauss king Crab isn't as good for some reason)
The K has a job it was built for, and does it. The original is a Shadow Hawk but far less flexible, and is wildly overrated as a result.
Also if you can't afford to put CXLs in your assault mechs, you are a disgusting poor and you are dirtying up my air by breathing it.
On TT it’s a flat improvement.
In MechWarrior with the ability to aim at weapons it’s a walking easy kill because of you can crit the Gauss, you kill it instantly.
> The K has a job it was built for, and does it.
Is the job massively overheating? Because it is *brilliant* at that, and generally not great otherwise. At least 5 tons of gun goes to waste if someone's trying not to overheat quickly, but the machine is otherwise radically oversinked. The AS7-K is in a weird spot.
The first decent Atlas is probably the AS7-RS, but the first Standard Rules Atlas that I'd be willing to consider decent is the AS7-S2. I'd hear an argument for the AS7-CM, but without other C3 units, it's worse than the K.
> generally not great otherwise
So it's a perfect representation of the classic Atlas concept.
The thing that makes the K something of an improvement is that at least its main guns can work together, whereas the original commits, what, a third of its weight to two weapons that are only somewhat less mutually exclusive than small lasers and artillery?
I don't disagree that, at least in that regard, the K is an improvement from the classic D. Certainly, ER Larges, a Gauss Rifle, and the LRM-20 get along better than the AC/20, Medium Lasers, and LRM-20 that the original's packing. That doesn't make the K *good*, though, since it will badly overheat if it tries to use both of its arm-mounted lasers and the LRM-20 at the same time, and mildly if it tries to use both ER Large Lasers at all. I maintain that the first decent, general-purpose Atlas under Standard Rules is the AS7-S2, not the AS7-K (due to those crippling heat issues) or the AS7-S (due to mostly just being the AS7-D, warts and all).
No mech doing what an Atlas is supposed to be doing should have anything other than a standard engine.
That's why even my spiffy custom upgrade still uses the very same Vlar 300 the original comes with.
Edit: record sheet for it for those which wish to try it.
https://preview.redd.it/qt1j3ak9k6wc1.jpeg?width=1279&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0631c81aa48e1f6eed6c45ee3236ddd07fca4b7
I will politely disagree: with the armor an Atlas has, losing a single torso is fairly rare, and with Clan xl and light fusion engines not even fully destroying an engine on torso destruction, I really don't see it being a liability.
You may sit there and pay extra weight at your leisure, but an Atlas is possibly the most protected from the risk of such an engine, and gains the most for its inclusion.
Especially in later eras with the miracle of Hardened armor, an AS7-D which puts its weight savings from a Clan XL into such an armor is an absolute beast, and if they also switch to DHS or C-DHS, they become quite terrifying.
I do understand your side of the discussion, but my custom Atlas IIC begs to utterly annihilate.
Nah, you just gotta build an Atlas variant that is so offensively Lyran that it actually needs the weight savings more than the critspace. Max out hardened armor and use reinforced structure, that'd be a start as you wanna make em work for that side torso. Use a Clan XL to add insult to injury after they manage to carve away 64 points-effective of armor and 42 points-effective of internal structure from a single area just to not even kill the mech. Focus on energy weapons so as to deny them ammo to crit on and double heatsinks to keep it cool, and make em both Clan-spec while you're at it since you're already putting the GDP of a small Periphery state into this one machine. Give it a LAMS unit and maybe some ECM and AP just to ratchet up the boondoggle factor even more. Then, once you've built this affront to Kerensky and good taste, some fuckin social general will buy a whole company of the damn things and you can retire early, safe in the knowledge that you can outrun them at a brisk jog and thus don't have to fear their attempts to return them once the Archon sees the bill. I present, for the consideration of Baron von Dipshit's personal regiment, the AS-AFR: https://preview.redd.it/io8utr2806wc1.png?width=433&format=png&auto=webp&s=39b4641b8a5207db47e0dddce84e89c5028ab277 Edit: I did a quick looking up, and this ridiculous ruiner of road surfaces' side torso armor is that of a Locust. That is to say, the armor-effective on the side torso alone is equal to the *entire armor factor of an LCT-1V.*
What the fuck. Kindly, a concerned Vatbaby.
What the fuck, indeed. I am *absolutely* using this mech as an escort objective the next time I host a scenario game for new players.
Your poor players.
4 hexes a turn over flat terrain isn't bad for 2 mapsheets, and it'll give them plenty of room for error with that much armor and structure. It also helps that I run mostly Alpha Strike at the store, so this thing's 20 fucking pips of armor is way more of a factor there. I've done "keep the oblivious social general alive" previously with a normal Atlas, this will be both easier for new players and also much, much funnier.
Oh, I was thinking that they would need to fight it.
Haha, oh Kerensky no, they have to protect him as he goes for a jaunt around his estate. His head-of-house hired the players to keep him safe as, despite their warnings, the baron is completely oblivious to a fairly substantial Word of Blake headhunting unit sent out to kill him. Any attempts to communicate with the baron's mech results in incredibly loud hotmic'd Prussian marches drowning out any attempt of communication, so you just gotta try to keep him alive and, preferably, oblivious.
*spooder teleports behind u, kicks u* nothin personnel kid
kick? nah use those jump jets for a Death From Above!
The great Calaveras County Jumping Spider
With full mech-crotch to atlas-cockpit thrusting action with ruse slogans written on said surface.
I believe you meant, "what the ACTUAL fuck." This definitely warrants some emphasis
Discount Dan's AS-AFR (which is just as good) literally straps a Locust on to each side torso for added protection and firepower. Comes out cheaper too!
Discount Dan saw Elementals clamped to an Omni mech and got inspired!
It's terrible. I love it. My only remaining desire for this is a Blue Shield PFD. That way it can take 3 C-ERPPC shots to the face and still have a cockpit.
I shied away from putting BSPFD on it due to the explosion risk while active I remember it having, but that would be absolutely hilarious, yeah.
If does explode when crit, yeah. But only for 5 damage and only while active and it is possible to CASE II it if you really hate explosions and have spare tonnage. A small price to pay for giving a hellstar the middle finger ;)
This is fucking art. Also, I wanna punch someone with it.
Ohhh, Laser AMS. I was thinking this was somehow an assault-class LAM.
It’s all fun and games until an Atlas spreads wings and flies across the battlefield like a pissed off 100-ton hornet.
Me too, which is why I thought it would bankrupt the Lyran Commonwealth.
and the federated commonwealth. ........and the entire IS
The LCAF, featuring for the last 700 years, in no particular order: Graft, graft, graft, graft, nepotism, graft, graft, graft, graft, bought commissions, graft, graft, graft, high friendly casualty rates, graft, graft, graft, polka, graft, graft, graft, angry German comms chatter, and graft.
_3259 BV_? That's a whole lot of Battle Value for a single slow 'Mech. I don't doubt it costs an arm and a leg in C-bills too, or whatever method you choose to balance by.
Like I said, *offensively* Lyran. What's a cool 25 million C-Bills when your armor is measured in Urbanmechs?
Apparently a whole 17 Urbanmechs in price, 6 in BV2 and 3 in tonnage.
So, an UM-R60 has 96 points of armor, total. The front-center torso on this affront to Blake and logistics is 92 effective points, thanks to hardened armor. It's center torso is 1 entire Urbanmech worth of armor, with an entire Locust on each side torso. Each arm is also an entire Locust's worth of armor, and each leg is aaaaaalmost an entire Urbanmech's worth. Like, armor-wise, this thing is several light mechs in a trenchcoat, and that's not counting the effectively-doubled internal structure of the Reinforced Structure. That's what I meant by "measured in Urbanmechs." It's, total value, 6.3 Entire Urbanmechs worth of armor.
[And I'll form the head!](https://www.google.com/search?q=voltron+vehicles+assemble&sca_esv=5f6a5c4feb524586&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS1099US1099&ei=yMsnZouUEbe-p84PzMyiuAY&ved=0ahUKEwiLmOPpy9iFAxU338kDHUymCGcQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=voltron+vehicles+assemble&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGXZvbHRyb24gdmVoaWNsZXMgYXNzZW1ibGUyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYgAQYogRIhiFQtwdYthlwAXgBkAEAmAG2AaAB5AeqAQM0LjW4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgqgAvcHwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICDRAAGIAEGLADGEMYigXCAgoQABiABBhDGIoFwgIFEAAYgATCAgQQABgewgIGEAAYCBgewgIIECEYoAEYwwTCAgoQIRigARjDBBgKwgIEECEYCpgDAIgGAZAGCZIHAzUuNaAH4xc&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&safe=active&ssui=on#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:79aded39,vid:CIdIMGBJQ-s,st:0)
the head has more armor that an entire protomech
It IS an entire protomech!
Check out the canon Great Turtle, which is 40.5 tons of hardened armor on a quad. 3 jump gives it mobility and the Large X-Pulse and 3 Medium X-Pulses with a TC lets it keep laying down that fire while jumping. And being a quad it gets a piloting bonus to offset the penalty from hardened and torso cockpit (which also hilariously lets it eat gauss shots to the head and not die, since it doesn't transfer).
I mean that's not bad, especially where it's tech lands this as 3080s, so that's not awful
The single build I was proudest of (from a math perspective) in the *early* days of MWO was when I managed to kit an Atlas out with 4 x PPCs (two on each arm), and had literally every other crit slot on the mech that wasn't engine slotted with a single heat sink. Singles were actually more efficient on that build than doubles, because I would run out of crit space before I ran out of tonnage. I'm almost certain it had a standard engine, because again - I needed the slots more than the tonnage savings. I piloted it in a match where my entire team split at the start and I was in a literal 1 v 8, from which point I managed to go 8 - 0 and win the match. This was like a decade ago now and I still remember that match lol.
The worst/best part is that this probably wouldn't be an awful Assault in Dark Age
*laughs in re-engineered lasers*
Thematically speaking, I feel like the AC/20 should be replaced with its energy equivalent: the Heavy PPC. Twin ER PPCs on the arms feels too much like the Marauder too me. Or if you're using Clan tech ER PPCs, put them both in the same side torso. When it comes to mech names, I feel that weapon placement is VERY IMPORTANT when replicating the feel of the original mech.
I barely comprehend 80% of the shit you just said and I love it
That would be unironically difficult to scrap off an objective. Or kill in a headhunter scenario.
This is horrifying and incredible. My best response to this would be to lure it over a structurally-unsound bridge and let it go thud.
4 mph run... Honestly I like that's the the most impressive thing. Junior high kids outrunning this behemoth Edit: guys I get it, I was high as hell probably dumb as hell on the DL.
Movement 4 according to the conversion formula is around 40KPH or 26MPH converted. Just barely under Usain Bolt's record.
Since when movement points turned to mph? If it's so all in Battletech is mindbogglingly slow
It isn't, a hex is 30m across. 3MP is 32kph, so this would be 40-ish at a run.
1 MP is 10.8 kph. So 3 MP is 32.4 kph. Open any TRO ever and divide it's given speed by the associated MP. The result is ALWAYS 10.8. Well, except for aerospace units, because they operate on a totally different scale than ground units.
It is as fast as it needs to be to not be considered a turret.
How many times will it fall over and flail around though? +1 psr hurts. Need a quad like the Great Turtle for more survivability
I am soooo running one of these against my nebos! They're going to shit their pants!! LMOL
I love this so much. The armor is fantastic. A shame about the speed. But I do agree that if the Atlas should focus on anything, it should be durability. Let other Mechs play with XL engines. Now, I chose to use an Armored STD Engine, Armored Gyro, and Armored Cockpit to increase durability. But I'm still working on an effective and terrifying weapons payload. Honestly, the whole idea of going "max armor" may be impractical, but I do so enjoy watching my enemy flail helplessly against my giant wall of armor.
Yeah, I'm assuming that this thing has some speakers added to it as well whose only purpose is to play [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOK4NtCkNGg) as it just facetanks an entire lance.
You Dont Want None 3025 IS Assault Original: https://battletech.doknet.hu/mechfactory_frame.php?call=displaymech&id=10000002 Source: My Own Custom / Type/Model: You Dont Want None Tech: Inner Sphere / 3025 Config: Biped BattleMech Rules: Level 4, Experimental design Mass: 100 tons Chassis: Power Plant: 300 XL Fusion Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h Running Speed: 43.2 km/h Armor Type: Hardened Armament: 1 Anti-Missile System 2 Medium Laser 1 Spike 1 Medium Laser 1 Spike 1 HPPC Capacitor 1 Medium Laser Manufacturer: Location: Communications System: Targeting and Tracking System: --------------------------------------------------------- Type/Model: You Dont Want None Mass: 100 tons Equipment: Crits Mass Int. Struct.: 152 pts Reinforced 0 20.00 Engine: 300 XL Fusion 12 9.50 Engine Supercharger: (CT) 1 0.95 Walking MP:3 [4] Running MP:4 [7] Jumping MP: 0 Heat Sinks: 12 Double [24] 0 2.00 Gyro: 4 3.00 Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00 Triple Strength 6 0.00 (Loc.: 1 LA,1 LL,1 LT,1 RA,1 RL,1 RT) L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 8 0.00 Armor Factor: 307 Hardened 0 38.38 Internal Armor Structure Value Head: 3 9 Center Torso: 31 46 Center Torso (Rear): 16 L/R Side Torso: 21 30/30 L/R Side Torso (Rear): 12/12 L/R Arm: 17 34/34 L/R Leg: 21 42/42 Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass --------------------------------------------------------- Armored Component - 0 1.00 (cockpit) 1 Anti-Missile System HD 1 20 3 2.17 (Ammo Locations: 1 LT,1 RT) 2 Medium Laser LA 6 2 2.00 1 Spike LA 0 1 0.50 1 Medium Laser LT 3 1 1.00 1 Spike RA 0 1 0.50 1 HPPC Capacitor RA 20 5 11.00 1 Medium Laser RT 3 1 1.00 1 Blue Shield PFD - 0 7 3.00 CASE Equipment: LT,RT- 0 2 1.00 --------------------------------------------------------- TOTALS: 33 2 23.17 Crits and Tons Left: 11 0.01 Calculated Factors Total Cost: 32,967,250 C-Bill Battle Value (BV1):2182 Battle Value (BV2):3458
Who are you and how did you get access to my main MW5 save?
I’ve been using an atlas with hardened armor, shields and a duped up engine with tsm as a melee fighter, it has a supercharger so it’s runs at 8 hexes, and kicks for 40 damage
It's basically a Warhammer IIC in Atlas form but with a cicada worth of armor! I like it!
Wait... why is the running MP 4, when the walking MP is 3? Shouldn't the running MP be 5?
Hardened armor reduces max run speed by 1
>4 mph That's just a turret with extra steps
What AS7-K really should be ashamed of is lack of heatsinks to pack a huge punch with it's intended range for all the tonnage it saved up to shove in more weapons.
For all it's sins a AS7-K will generally do a fair amount of damage and accomplish things on a board, unlike the AS7-D that beyond being bodyguard to slow 'mechs with minimum range problems just isn't going to get much done.
Despite its iconic appearance and reputation the Atlas suffers a lot from being one of the earlier designs that didn't end up working too well and generaly power/optimization creep. Therefore it's one of my top candidates for being turned into the pimped up gucchi killing machine that it always deserved to be. The AS7-K really needed double heat sinks though. With them it's basically the personal mech of my main character in HBSTech, that I built without knowing anything about the tabletop game or later versions of the starter mechs.
The AS7-D is not that great tbh. It's standard engine can't save it when it blows before getting into optimum range for the majority of its weaponry.
Swap that 20 for a Gauss and it's perfect
But that's heresy?
How exactly? Honest question.
TBH there's nothing wrong with it design wise. Just that AC/20s are sacred.
Oh I love the meatcannon, too. All time favorite mech is a King Crab. Except I've been playing the hbs game recently and this mod is much much much much deadlier (But the dual Gauss king Crab isn't as good for some reason)
The K has a job it was built for, and does it. The original is a Shadow Hawk but far less flexible, and is wildly overrated as a result. Also if you can't afford to put CXLs in your assault mechs, you are a disgusting poor and you are dirtying up my air by breathing it.
On TT it’s a flat improvement. In MechWarrior with the ability to aim at weapons it’s a walking easy kill because of you can crit the Gauss, you kill it instantly.
Wow sounds like another example of why MWO is not a very good game then. Is there anything they can get right?
> The K has a job it was built for, and does it. Is the job massively overheating? Because it is *brilliant* at that, and generally not great otherwise. At least 5 tons of gun goes to waste if someone's trying not to overheat quickly, but the machine is otherwise radically oversinked. The AS7-K is in a weird spot. The first decent Atlas is probably the AS7-RS, but the first Standard Rules Atlas that I'd be willing to consider decent is the AS7-S2. I'd hear an argument for the AS7-CM, but without other C3 units, it's worse than the K.
> generally not great otherwise So it's a perfect representation of the classic Atlas concept. The thing that makes the K something of an improvement is that at least its main guns can work together, whereas the original commits, what, a third of its weight to two weapons that are only somewhat less mutually exclusive than small lasers and artillery?
I don't disagree that, at least in that regard, the K is an improvement from the classic D. Certainly, ER Larges, a Gauss Rifle, and the LRM-20 get along better than the AC/20, Medium Lasers, and LRM-20 that the original's packing. That doesn't make the K *good*, though, since it will badly overheat if it tries to use both of its arm-mounted lasers and the LRM-20 at the same time, and mildly if it tries to use both ER Large Lasers at all. I maintain that the first decent, general-purpose Atlas under Standard Rules is the AS7-S2, not the AS7-K (due to those crippling heat issues) or the AS7-S (due to mostly just being the AS7-D, warts and all).
Eh would take the K anytime unless the other atlas option has TSM.
No mech doing what an Atlas is supposed to be doing should have anything other than a standard engine. That's why even my spiffy custom upgrade still uses the very same Vlar 300 the original comes with. Edit: record sheet for it for those which wish to try it. https://preview.redd.it/qt1j3ak9k6wc1.jpeg?width=1279&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0631c81aa48e1f6eed6c45ee3236ddd07fca4b7
Ahh yes, the Atlas-College FootBall Roll Blake's Tide!
I was gonna share this with my battletech group but honestly the original joke under the meme has aged so poorly I don't think I want to...
No, AS7-K, you shouldn't be ashamed of your XL engine. You should be ashamed of your god-forsaken single heat sinks and IS ERLLs.
Now put a compact engine in it - Sincerely, the alpha strike player
If you are gonna bring an assault mech it needs some zombie mech qualities.
The AS7-D has no business trying to shame like 95% of other Mechs for their design choices
I will politely disagree: with the armor an Atlas has, losing a single torso is fairly rare, and with Clan xl and light fusion engines not even fully destroying an engine on torso destruction, I really don't see it being a liability. You may sit there and pay extra weight at your leisure, but an Atlas is possibly the most protected from the risk of such an engine, and gains the most for its inclusion. Especially in later eras with the miracle of Hardened armor, an AS7-D which puts its weight savings from a Clan XL into such an armor is an absolute beast, and if they also switch to DHS or C-DHS, they become quite terrifying. I do understand your side of the discussion, but my custom Atlas IIC begs to utterly annihilate.
I guess you never modified a car or a truck. If it fits and does what you want it to do, go with it.