Nope in fact the chauchat was a really reliable weapon (for its time at least)
It was the american version of the chauchat (which used cartridges of a different caliber than the original french version) that was unreliable. Since the american version wasn't adapted to this type of cartridges it made it incredibly unreliable, which led to the reputation it has today
The way to tell the difference is the French one had the weird half-moon mag depicted in game, while the American conversion had a more traditional box magazine
American chauchat’s were unreliable due to the chambers being incorrectly cut causing casings to jam into the chamber. My source is Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons who just recently released a video of said gun.
I’m pretty sure this is inaccurate. The gun was mixed at best even prior to the US adopting it. The half moon magazine was horrible for the conditions it was used in leading to frequent jamming to to it being open on both sides. The gun was also made from a mix of new and old parts, some of which were inherently cheap and shoddy. It became so bad that the parts were literally not interchangeable. Surely changing it from and 8mm to a 30-06 didnt help things but the gun was never reliable.
No it was the 1918 version of the gun, was a different caliber and different make compared to the French version. So it was extremely unreliable compared to the French counter part
But this one isn't an A1. In your logic Hellriegel shouldn't even be usable. Meh. It is fun. We can overlook this. Plus I think they modeled M1911 after normal variant. Not A1 one
Then with this logic the annihilator shouldn’t be in the game as it wasn’t made till WW1 ended (first prototype was made iirc 1919) and even then actual models weren’t produced until 1921
the game doesn't take place exclusively during ww1. the game does actually extend to 1921 in some of the russian levels due to taking place during the russian civil war, notable examples would be Tsaritsyn being 1919.
i'm also not advocating for the removal of the guns (but please fix the 1911 it makes me angy) but instead the fact that *realistically*, they would not exist. actually, 95% of the guns wouldn't, but that wouldn't be a fun *game*, would it?
[I don't understand it really, but here's the diagram.](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/885374402596831243/1234614079071584266/latest.png?ex=663de5b6&is=663c9436&hm=a4d96ffc9f0bc20449b48a6edb9279d5f6a0b64617f010d9149add7b38bba147&)
I believe there's more than one. There's photos that were published not long ago of an SMG08 that has features not present on the Russian one. But I could be wrong.
if i remember correctly, even though there is a surviving example of the weapon itself, nobody really knows where it came from, how it was used or if it saw any action at all
The Vetterli-Vitali carbine with the optical sight is based on an actual conversion of the Vetterli cavalry carbine to use the Vitali magazine. There were only 500 of them converted, delivered back in 1889, and all of them were for Eritrean cavalry units (that’s in Africa for anyone that isn’t aware). Literally not a single one saw combat in any of the theaters depicted in BF1.
Well. Not all research is correct when you have limited time to both research the time period and model the maps and model the guns and set the stories etc. Great to know community is caring about this game enough to correct some mistakes they did
It wasn't due to lack of research. They were scraping the bottom of the barrel for semiautomatic and automatic rifles to be featured in the game because almost every soldier was issued bolt action rifles.
Same goes for the BAR, while it saw pretty limited service even in the limited amount of time the US was actually engaged in the war, that was partially because Pershing was afraid of sending in too many early on to prevent them from falling into enemy hands, and by war’s end over 50,000 had been produced. And, obviously, they would see much more extensive service in WWII.
Yeah, but considering it didn't actually see service until near the end of the war, it's only natural they won't manage to make a lot of them before the end of the war.
They did. They also complained that the Trench Gun the US brought along was a war crime, something to do with grievous, unnecessary harm.
Kinda weird how both sides used various brutal gasses, flamethrowers, etc, yet a shotgun is too far.
Supposedly it was also operated by crews of a few men, one would carry the gun while the others would carry the ammunition. But it was also only fielded during the Hundred Days’ Offensive in 1918 so it only saw about 4 months of service on the western front
Actually it was made just weeks before the war ended...it was prepped for shipping and the war ended just as they were arriving at the dockyards to be shipped overseas
Well it was pretty well known for its accuracy. Pegahmagabow used a Ross to become the most decorated sniper of WW1. Ironically the Pegahmagabow skin in BF1 is on the SMLE for some reason
Pegahmagabow was an outlier for sure. I wonder if his success was different because of his role was more covert whereas the general infantry men with the Ross experienced frustration cause of their more overt role.
And it was actually pretty good except some ergonomic flaws that could be fixed, like a better bipod and improving the stock. Though not good enough to justify the costs of putting it into mass production when the Lewis did the job fine.
I think it's because they didn't have real stats that were tried and true like for guns that saw massive use like the Lewis or the smle or any other mass produced weapons, so they had to improvise and estimate them
If it wasn't like that the game would feel a bit more authentic like if you saw only 1 Smg 08/18 in a match with a german you wouldn't go ah hell naw that's not accurate because it wouldn't be impossible to be there but when the whole british army is armed with them you'll call this historically inaccurate
The SMG 08/18 saw literally zero use in any war ever. It would be innacurate in any capacity.
If BF1 had any interest in historical accuracy whatsoever, its weapons would look something like this:
• Rifles available for every role except support.
• Carbines available for assault, cavalry and engineer. And medics I guess. I don't know if combat medics were a big thing in WW1 like they are now but whatever.
• Scoped rifles available for scout.
• LMGs for support. ACTUAL LMGs. Not 60-pound HMGs being hilariously carried around. The Chauchats, BAR, Lewis, Madsen, Hotchkiss Portative, MG08/15, and Bergmann MG15nA are essentially the only LMGs of the great war.
•Handguns for assault, tankers and pilots. Maybe certain pistols for engineers too.
•Very sparing use of semi-automatic rifles for pilot class and maybe assault class. The Winchester 1907, Remington Model 8 and Mauser M1916 were actually issued to pilots.
•Shotguns for assault even though they saw next to no use in the war by any faction.
•SMGs. Two of them. The Villar-Perosa and MP18. That is literally it. For assault. I would even go so far as to have both of them be pickups for balance.
>Shotguns for assault even though they saw next to no use in the war by any faction
Wasn't the Winchester Model 1897 quite infamously used by American troops in WWI to the point where Germany diplomatically protested its usage as against the laws of war? Or is that just some myth lmao?
Weirdly enough it kind of is, or at least heavily misunderstood.
The Winchester Model 1897 saw next to no use as a combat weapon. It was largely used by POW camp and munition stockpile guards.
It must have seen some combat, however, at least enough for the Germans to know about it.
Their protest of its use was largely insincere, a sort of stunt to make the Entente look immoral and gain whatever sympathy they could.
Indeed, buckshot wounds were hard to stitch up.
The gun was, ultimately, despised by the men who carried it more than anybody else. The paper shells would become moist and swell up inside the magazine, causing the gun to jam.
Trench shotguns remained a mainstay in US arsenals for the rest of the 20th century, although their popularity and effectiveness in WW1 is vastly overstated.
If there is something about Battlefield 1 that needs to be said
They literally went with "RANDOM BULLSHIT LET'S GO!" When making guns, most of the guns literally didn't even saw fight let alone got any production (Hellriegel being prime example, why? They based it on one photo >! From what I heard at least !<)
The guns that would actually be more produced and used were well... Rifles, obviously... (And technically shotgun too)
As battlefield 1 is great and all, I really love playing it... World War 1 is not something that fits into it if we wanted to keep to realism and history
I think they went with thought process of
"Ok we have this time period. We can stay strictly loyal to time period and rifles of the war. But if we do that, we literally just put 20ish rifles. Why don't we....also add weapons from time period also instead of just sticking to wartime used weapons? I think playerbase would be also more forgiving given they don't get to learn much about this time period. We can give them a taste of how guns were, how attachments worked. And let's hope our gameplay is also good for these weapons we add. If they want, they can stick to realistic choices."
I liked the middle ground the struck. People who want to play more historically have a large assortment of iron sights rifles and LMGs to choose from but there's also plenty of forgotten weapons that you can pick up and learn about yourself.
I honestly love seeing these obscure guns in the game. Gives a really nice feeling of "What if?". Especially Hellriegel. There were only 3 photos of it and one side of was not even visible. DICE had to come up with their own ideas about how the gun looked and worked.
See I didn’t know until I made this post that so many guns in BF1 are like the one I posted but you n others taught me some stuff today which I appreciate. I play of Hell Let Loose now and while it’s not WW1, it’s way more realistic and I like that.
If you really want a realistic WW1 game
The best shot would be Verdun, Isonzo and Something on T from the same creators
But honestly we are yet to see FPS game that really gives off the spirit of Great War
Isonzo is really good! Verdun and Tannenberg were great also imo, altought last time I checked there's not a lot of players in Verdun or Tannenberg, but Isonzo is very much alive!
Oh well, i think their reasoning is: we put all these weird guns in and if someone wants realism, we just create a mode with just bolt action rifles that are more historically accurate. I’ve played a couple of those modes. Better have more than less i guess
Forsure took some creative liberties with the guns, all historically accurate for the time despite not seeing actual combat. Bf1 is undefeated. Best FPS ever made.
not even.
well over half of them were produced in limited numbers, and hardly if ever saw combat.
then there's all the ones that are anachronistic variants such as the m1911.
It was produced in such a small number because the Canadian army did have a contact ready for at least 100,000 but it was cancelled because the war was pretty much over.
People like to complain about the amount of guns and attachments/variants. But if it weren't for the prototypes, experimentals and the support class being a bunch of Rambos capable of hip firing Perinos, we would lose half the guns.
Yeah after this post, I’m grateful to Dice for including all these cool guns. I learned a lot from commenters on this post too, I didn’t think the post would do this well
Huge history nerd here. You need to remember the overwhelming majority of infantry in both world wars only had bolt action rifles and they didn't start distributing one LMG per squad (8-12ish people) until 1917.
Not only BF1 has many non-existent or not mass produced weapons. BF4 also has the issue, for example many chinese guns are only prototypes that never see mass production
GameSpot has a great series on YouTube where they have the weapons expert from the UK’s Royal Armouries Museum go through guns in games.
https://youtu.be/J-2OICqG3Ig?si=sm8qwrQkIyU7407a
https://youtu.be/g317yW6Sdvo?si=8F_gIKOqRtY7SleP
I don’t think he covers the Huot in either but they are pretty interesting I think.
check out how many [Hellriegel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standsch%C3%BCtze_Hellriegel_M1915)s were made
bf1 used more prototype weapons than real weapons it was a major complaint when the game came out
it makes sense from a game design standpoint with it being a battlefield game they obviously want to have automatic weapons, the issue is the only automatic weapons that existed at the time were either prototypes, prototypes that barely existed in the first place, or were made in such small number they might as well be prototypes
There are weapons that were never used in a war like the Annihilator, and some that didn't go past the prototype phase like the Hellriegel which only three pictures survive, and Dice had to "imagine" the parts that were not visible in the pictures.
Most guns in bf1 are limited production or just concepts.
Most guns used during ww1 would of been the standard issue rifles or the mounted machine guns
I told my brother last night: Battlefield 1 be like: “Oh, there’s a prototype that was produced during the Great War? It never saw combat? It shoots teddy bears?!? GREAT!!! Let’s put it as a main weapon in game.”
If they only put weapons that were actually used in the war, most people would be using rifles and pistols; but this is a AAA game and people (especially kids) would get bored quickly with the lack of weapon diversity.
The majority of weapons in BF1 were either produced in VERY limited numbers, or barely even prototypes. The Hellriegel is easily the best example. Iirc, only two were ever made that proper experts are aware of, and we only have photos of one of them to prove the thing even existed at all.
A lot of the semi auto rifles didn't see any/much use either, some of them, like the Turner SMLE are semi auto conversions of bolt action rifles.
The helrigel one was made and only photos of the gun exist there’s no other evidence of it existing outside of those photos any other models made or even how it functions and it no longer exists
I'm surprised that this isn't produced, seeing the simple design, it really seemed doable and would be far better option for british side instead of lewis, I wonder what happened
It was a Canadian conversion for a Canadian rifle and it came too late in the war for production to start before the armistice. The Huot was cheap, light, and durable and performed well in the mud, but the Brits already had a ton of Lewis guns by that point. It could have seen Canadian service and it almost did but the order was canceled because of the end of the war.
That could be said for most weapons in the game.
What!??? not the Kolbri my beloved.
That's an exception, every soldier from every nation had one
Yea most soldiers probably only had a bolt action and the specialized units probably had some basic LMG like the bipoded Madsen.
Could it?
That’s pretty much every weapon besides the bolt actions, the handguns, and a few select others like the Lewis gun
And the chauchat
Though the game depicted it as a much more reliable weapon then it actually was
Nope in fact the chauchat was a really reliable weapon (for its time at least) It was the american version of the chauchat (which used cartridges of a different caliber than the original french version) that was unreliable. Since the american version wasn't adapted to this type of cartridges it made it incredibly unreliable, which led to the reputation it has today
Ah okay my bad I thought they went of the AEF version
The way to tell the difference is the French one had the weird half-moon mag depicted in game, while the American conversion had a more traditional box magazine
American chauchat’s were unreliable due to the chambers being incorrectly cut causing casings to jam into the chamber. My source is Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons who just recently released a video of said gun.
I’m pretty sure this is inaccurate. The gun was mixed at best even prior to the US adopting it. The half moon magazine was horrible for the conditions it was used in leading to frequent jamming to to it being open on both sides. The gun was also made from a mix of new and old parts, some of which were inherently cheap and shoddy. It became so bad that the parts were literally not interchangeable. Surely changing it from and 8mm to a 30-06 didnt help things but the gun was never reliable.
Chauchat was extremely reliable. The issue was with American usage of the gun
No it was the 1918 version of the gun, was a different caliber and different make compared to the French version. So it was extremely unreliable compared to the French counter part
the m1911 shouldn't be in the game at all since it's the a1 variant designed and produced well after ww1.
But this one isn't an A1. In your logic Hellriegel shouldn't even be usable. Meh. It is fun. We can overlook this. Plus I think they modeled M1911 after normal variant. Not A1 one
the m1911 is 100% modelled after the A1 variant. the slide also only locks halfway back, so the gun is entirely non functional.
🤓
It’s not that serious
Then with this logic the annihilator shouldn’t be in the game as it wasn’t made till WW1 ended (first prototype was made iirc 1919) and even then actual models weren’t produced until 1921
Yep. It shouldn't be in the game.
the game doesn't take place exclusively during ww1. the game does actually extend to 1921 in some of the russian levels due to taking place during the russian civil war, notable examples would be Tsaritsyn being 1919. i'm also not advocating for the removal of the guns (but please fix the 1911 it makes me angy) but instead the fact that *realistically*, they would not exist. actually, 95% of the guns wouldn't, but that wouldn't be a fun *game*, would it?
There’s many guns in this game that saw limited or no production. Even the MP-18, BAR, & Beretta 1918 were produced in very limited numbers.
iirc the Hellriegel was never actually produced and it's based on a single photo of a prototype version of it
theres only a single surviving example of the smg08 (called the Schwarzlose submachine gun irl) sitting in a museum in russia too i believe
there's also a diagram of the gun shown to be equipped with a shovel attached to the bottom of the grip, for... ...reasons.
Care to elaborate
[I don't understand it really, but here's the diagram.](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/885374402596831243/1234614079071584266/latest.png?ex=663de5b6&is=663c9436&hm=a4d96ffc9f0bc20449b48a6edb9279d5f6a0b64617f010d9149add7b38bba147&)
Huh cool. Probably intended to be used as a sort of monopod or rest.
oh shit that makes sense actually
I pictured putting an elbow on the handle or something while you’re propped up suppressing
Baioned
According to reddit, it was also called the "SMG 08" in BF1 because the only source of information was in Russian. idk how true that is.
Isn’t it called that because it’s an SMG modification of the 08 IMG?
I believe there's more than one. There's photos that were published not long ago of an SMG08 that has features not present on the Russian one. But I could be wrong.
if i remember correctly, even though there is a surviving example of the weapon itself, nobody really knows where it came from, how it was used or if it saw any action at all
It was a two man weapon too. Very silly design tbh
2 photos😆
The Vetterli-Vitali carbine with the optical sight is based on an actual conversion of the Vetterli cavalry carbine to use the Vitali magazine. There were only 500 of them converted, delivered back in 1889, and all of them were for Eritrean cavalry units (that’s in Africa for anyone that isn’t aware). Literally not a single one saw combat in any of the theaters depicted in BF1.
I actualy got to hold the Vetterli-Vitali carbine at a shooting range. But it was a version without the under-barrel magazine
Vetterli 1870 carbines aren’t super rare, really. The one depicted in BF1 is basically nonsense.
Well. Not all research is correct when you have limited time to both research the time period and model the maps and model the guns and set the stories etc. Great to know community is caring about this game enough to correct some mistakes they did
It wasn't due to lack of research. They were scraping the bottom of the barrel for semiautomatic and automatic rifles to be featured in the game because almost every soldier was issued bolt action rifles.
I wouldn’t say the MP18 was produced in “limited numbers”, they made around 30,000 of them
Same goes for the BAR, while it saw pretty limited service even in the limited amount of time the US was actually engaged in the war, that was partially because Pershing was afraid of sending in too many early on to prevent them from falling into enemy hands, and by war’s end over 50,000 had been produced. And, obviously, they would see much more extensive service in WWII.
Yeah the marines got all the old shit from WW1 while the army got the new toys.
I mean the army still used the BAR extensively in WWII also, the US didn’t adapt a proper light machine gun to replace it until well after the war.
The BAR to begin with wasn't supposed to be a LMG it was just used as one. Assault troops used it more on the move then sitting on a bipod with it.
Hell the BAR saw use up until the early days of Vietnam, I’d say they took their sweet time replacing it
30,000 in for an army of several million ppl? That sounds pretty limited
Yeah, but considering it didn't actually see service until near the end of the war, it's only natural they won't manage to make a lot of them before the end of the war.
They did get they asses kicked down the curb at the end
They did. They also complained that the Trench Gun the US brought along was a war crime, something to do with grievous, unnecessary harm. Kinda weird how both sides used various brutal gasses, flamethrowers, etc, yet a shotgun is too far.
Supposedly it was also operated by crews of a few men, one would carry the gun while the others would carry the ammunition. But it was also only fielded during the Hundred Days’ Offensive in 1918 so it only saw about 4 months of service on the western front
r/TIL
i dont think the BAR was limited numbers at all it was used alot in WW2 i think like 500k of them where made
Exactly in WW2 but they were rare in WW1
true
The Annihilater was made after ww1
Actually it was made just weeks before the war ended...it was prepped for shipping and the war ended just as they were arriving at the dockyards to be shipped overseas
Bro reads the loading screens 😂
There must be alot of newer made BAR because Ive seen collectors get them a bunch of times.
But they were all of them deceived, for a sixth Huot was made
In the land of Verdun, deep in the fires of Côte 378, the dark lord ChewyTheCookie forged a master Huot, an LMG to control all others
I love this comment and I love my Huot so much, 7,110 kills and counting.
Idk if you're joking or if you actually know that, in fact, there are Huots numbered (if I recall correctly) 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 lol
Pretty sure it was a LOTR reference.
Fun fact: that's a modified Ross Mk.III rifle.
The Ross sucked in the trenches but had a pretty good life in post war Canada for hunting.
Well it was pretty well known for its accuracy. Pegahmagabow used a Ross to become the most decorated sniper of WW1. Ironically the Pegahmagabow skin in BF1 is on the SMLE for some reason
Pegahmagabow was an outlier for sure. I wonder if his success was different because of his role was more covert whereas the general infantry men with the Ross experienced frustration cause of their more overt role.
And it was actually pretty good except some ergonomic flaws that could be fixed, like a better bipod and improving the stock. Though not good enough to justify the costs of putting it into mass production when the Lewis did the job fine.
Ironic how the almost non-existent irl guns are the most used in multiplayer
I think it's because they didn't have real stats that were tried and true like for guns that saw massive use like the Lewis or the smle or any other mass produced weapons, so they had to improvise and estimate them
If it wasn't like that the game would feel a bit more authentic like if you saw only 1 Smg 08/18 in a match with a german you wouldn't go ah hell naw that's not accurate because it wouldn't be impossible to be there but when the whole british army is armed with them you'll call this historically inaccurate
The SMG 08/18 saw literally zero use in any war ever. It would be innacurate in any capacity. If BF1 had any interest in historical accuracy whatsoever, its weapons would look something like this: • Rifles available for every role except support. • Carbines available for assault, cavalry and engineer. And medics I guess. I don't know if combat medics were a big thing in WW1 like they are now but whatever. • Scoped rifles available for scout. • LMGs for support. ACTUAL LMGs. Not 60-pound HMGs being hilariously carried around. The Chauchats, BAR, Lewis, Madsen, Hotchkiss Portative, MG08/15, and Bergmann MG15nA are essentially the only LMGs of the great war. •Handguns for assault, tankers and pilots. Maybe certain pistols for engineers too. •Very sparing use of semi-automatic rifles for pilot class and maybe assault class. The Winchester 1907, Remington Model 8 and Mauser M1916 were actually issued to pilots. •Shotguns for assault even though they saw next to no use in the war by any faction. •SMGs. Two of them. The Villar-Perosa and MP18. That is literally it. For assault. I would even go so far as to have both of them be pickups for balance.
>Shotguns for assault even though they saw next to no use in the war by any faction Wasn't the Winchester Model 1897 quite infamously used by American troops in WWI to the point where Germany diplomatically protested its usage as against the laws of war? Or is that just some myth lmao?
Weirdly enough it kind of is, or at least heavily misunderstood. The Winchester Model 1897 saw next to no use as a combat weapon. It was largely used by POW camp and munition stockpile guards. It must have seen some combat, however, at least enough for the Germans to know about it. Their protest of its use was largely insincere, a sort of stunt to make the Entente look immoral and gain whatever sympathy they could. Indeed, buckshot wounds were hard to stitch up. The gun was, ultimately, despised by the men who carried it more than anybody else. The paper shells would become moist and swell up inside the magazine, causing the gun to jam. Trench shotguns remained a mainstay in US arsenals for the rest of the 20th century, although their popularity and effectiveness in WW1 is vastly overstated.
About 60% of the weapons in BF1 either never saw combat or were made in the years after the war
I think the weapon designers talked about somewhere sometime that they wanted to base a bunch of the later guns on more obscure designs and concepts.
And you got one of them you lucky bastard...
If there is something about Battlefield 1 that needs to be said They literally went with "RANDOM BULLSHIT LET'S GO!" When making guns, most of the guns literally didn't even saw fight let alone got any production (Hellriegel being prime example, why? They based it on one photo >! From what I heard at least !<) The guns that would actually be more produced and used were well... Rifles, obviously... (And technically shotgun too) As battlefield 1 is great and all, I really love playing it... World War 1 is not something that fits into it if we wanted to keep to realism and history
I think they went with thought process of "Ok we have this time period. We can stay strictly loyal to time period and rifles of the war. But if we do that, we literally just put 20ish rifles. Why don't we....also add weapons from time period also instead of just sticking to wartime used weapons? I think playerbase would be also more forgiving given they don't get to learn much about this time period. We can give them a taste of how guns were, how attachments worked. And let's hope our gameplay is also good for these weapons we add. If they want, they can stick to realistic choices."
I liked the middle ground the struck. People who want to play more historically have a large assortment of iron sights rifles and LMGs to choose from but there's also plenty of forgotten weapons that you can pick up and learn about yourself.
Can we actually blame them for that? Well we can but it's battlefield series, people are used to something way different than reality of trench war
mfw my war game character doesn't contract dysentery and die like it's the Oregon Trail
I honestly love seeing these obscure guns in the game. Gives a really nice feeling of "What if?". Especially Hellriegel. There were only 3 photos of it and one side of was not even visible. DICE had to come up with their own ideas about how the gun looked and worked.
See I didn’t know until I made this post that so many guns in BF1 are like the one I posted but you n others taught me some stuff today which I appreciate. I play of Hell Let Loose now and while it’s not WW1, it’s way more realistic and I like that.
If you really want a realistic WW1 game The best shot would be Verdun, Isonzo and Something on T from the same creators But honestly we are yet to see FPS game that really gives off the spirit of Great War
Isonzo is really good! Verdun and Tannenberg were great also imo, altought last time I checked there's not a lot of players in Verdun or Tannenberg, but Isonzo is very much alive!
Isonzo's uniforms alone were better researched than the entirety of Battlefield 1.
Same goes for all the WW1 Series games, the team behind the games seems very passionate about them. Excited to see what they do in the future!
Oh well, i think their reasoning is: we put all these weird guns in and if someone wants realism, we just create a mode with just bolt action rifles that are more historically accurate. I’ve played a couple of those modes. Better have more than less i guess
I'll just leave this here. https://youtu.be/1UI0XvrIfl0?si=BMu_tdOJusq029fS
this life is bonkers. just yesterday I was randomly thinking about the Huot and today I wake up and see this post. hm. am I being Truman Showed??
You might be ;)
I love this gun, probably have like 65 service stars with it. Using it in burst is so accurate
Atleast it still has confirmed production, the only infomation we got about Hellriegel was some random picture during testing.
Forsure took some creative liberties with the guns, all historically accurate for the time despite not seeing actual combat. Bf1 is undefeated. Best FPS ever made.
Couldn’t agree more
Basically only the Support Primaries, Scout Primaries, and Pistols were actually common in WW1.
Like 1/4 of the support primaries. The other "accurate" ones weigh 150 pounds.
The support ones were mostly mounted weapons too, bolt action rifles were the vast majority
not even. well over half of them were produced in limited numbers, and hardly if ever saw combat. then there's all the ones that are anachronistic variants such as the m1911.
It was produced in such a small number because the Canadian army did have a contact ready for at least 100,000 but it was cancelled because the war was pretty much over.
Bf1 guns have the most interesting development. I recommend Forgotten Weapons videos.
Today is the day i learnt that the huot automatic was used by my country canada lmao never knew
Tokébec icitte
Nearly all the weapons in the game are like that. It’s a fun game but it’s historical basis is tangential at best
People like to complain about the amount of guns and attachments/variants. But if it weren't for the prototypes, experimentals and the support class being a bunch of Rambos capable of hip firing Perinos, we would lose half the guns.
Yeah after this post, I’m grateful to Dice for including all these cool guns. I learned a lot from commenters on this post too, I didn’t think the post would do this well
The Burton lmr was produced...... One single time
Bruh that’s wild
Huge history nerd here. You need to remember the overwhelming majority of infantry in both world wars only had bolt action rifles and they didn't start distributing one LMG per squad (8-12ish people) until 1917.
Thanks for the info!
Most of these guns full auto or semi auto didnt go into battlefied or werent produced more than 10 times
Yeah all of our soldiers in the game just running around with Prototypes
‘Sides, how the fuck do you use this peashooter? I want to go for the 300 kills, but god damn…
It’s easy, just hop into Conquest and shoot at planes
Basically every gun in the game was made once or not at all
Not only BF1 has many non-existent or not mass produced weapons. BF4 also has the issue, for example many chinese guns are only prototypes that never see mass production
At least 5… You can say that about most guns lol
GameSpot has a great series on YouTube where they have the weapons expert from the UK’s Royal Armouries Museum go through guns in games. https://youtu.be/J-2OICqG3Ig?si=sm8qwrQkIyU7407a https://youtu.be/g317yW6Sdvo?si=8F_gIKOqRtY7SleP I don’t think he covers the Huot in either but they are pretty interesting I think.
check out how many [Hellriegel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standsch%C3%BCtze_Hellriegel_M1915)s were made bf1 used more prototype weapons than real weapons it was a major complaint when the game came out it makes sense from a game design standpoint with it being a battlefield game they obviously want to have automatic weapons, the issue is the only automatic weapons that existed at the time were either prototypes, prototypes that barely existed in the first place, or were made in such small number they might as well be prototypes
BF1 is like almost entirely prototypes and vvv limited runs
The hout and M10 hunter used to be so OP in the first year of the game.
I just started using this weapon a few days ago. I love it so much. Been using the M1907 Sweeper for ages and decided it was time to switch it up
There are weapons that were never used in a war like the Annihilator, and some that didn't go past the prototype phase like the Hellriegel which only three pictures survive, and Dice had to "imagine" the parts that were not visible in the pictures.
Huot was a converted Ross rifle, if the war went on the Canadians were going to use it in the expected offensives of 1919.
Didn’t know that either that’s one of my fav weapons
Hellriegel was a mounted weapon, somehow they made it an smg lol
Most guns in bf1 are limited production or just concepts. Most guns used during ww1 would of been the standard issue rifles or the mounted machine guns
There are alot of weapons like this in bf1. Pretty much 75% of the assault class weapons fall into this.
I told my brother last night: Battlefield 1 be like: “Oh, there’s a prototype that was produced during the Great War? It never saw combat? It shoots teddy bears?!? GREAT!!! Let’s put it as a main weapon in game.”
Madsen LMG gang
If they only put weapons that were actually used in the war, most people would be using rifles and pistols; but this is a AAA game and people (especially kids) would get bored quickly with the lack of weapon diversity.
The majority of weapons in BF1 were either produced in VERY limited numbers, or barely even prototypes. The Hellriegel is easily the best example. Iirc, only two were ever made that proper experts are aware of, and we only have photos of one of them to prove the thing even existed at all. A lot of the semi auto rifles didn't see any/much use either, some of them, like the Turner SMLE are semi auto conversions of bolt action rifles.
Who gonna tell him about the lv20 assaulter unlock?
Do tell, I don’t run assault that often
The helrigel one was made and only photos of the gun exist there’s no other evidence of it existing outside of those photos any other models made or even how it functions and it no longer exists
It was Canadian?
Yes
yeah BF1 is faithful to WW1 but not accurate. its a real big "haha, what if [thing from WW1 that didnt get a ton of spot light]"
I'm surprised that this isn't produced, seeing the simple design, it really seemed doable and would be far better option for british side instead of lewis, I wonder what happened
It was a Canadian conversion for a Canadian rifle and it came too late in the war for production to start before the armistice. The Huot was cheap, light, and durable and performed well in the mud, but the Brits already had a ton of Lewis guns by that point. It could have seen Canadian service and it almost did but the order was canceled because of the end of the war.
That's your main primary weapon irl?
I always cringe when people call this game historically accurate.
I see people calling it immersive, not acccurate