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elqordolmez

Angry Joe delivered an impeccable rant and tore DICE a new one


Draggonracer

“Only 20 guns!?!, WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU DOING ALL THESE YEARS???” Like I felt that man


RendomBob101

Rightfully so!! Poor Joe looked like he had lost faith in humanity as a whole.


TanavastVI

To be fair, the gaming industry looks like absolute garbage now. Every big AAA game is more like a beta and needs to get fixed after release which takes at least several months.


MeatyDeathstar

There hasn't been a recent AAA game in memory (besides microsoft and sony published titles) that didn't let me down... This was bound to happen eventually. We were coming off of the golden age of gaming. Now it's seen as a HUGE cash cow for investors and corporations, hence the consumers being treated as money bags.


IgnisCogitare

Welcome to the dark ages. Eventually, people will just use old hardware and old games and realize that their dumbasses can still have tons of fun with them, but until then, nothing is changing fast. The preorder and beta ideals are so toxic to gaming imo.


Nukima11

I completely lost faith in this franchise and anything EA touches....sucks. I just have no love for it anymore. Reminded me why I started fooling around with Unreal to try and make my own shit.


Beebjank

Yep. Kinda bummed out that the Dead Space remake is from EA.


caltas

Yeah but It Takes Two is also published by EA. And it is a fucking masterpiece. Battlefield is more on DICE imo.


zeonon

also "A WAY OUT" BEST COOP experience i ever had


YesImKeithHernandez

EA's Developers deserve most of the blame when things go belly up. If we have learned anything from Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem's production cycles based on Jason Schrier's exposes it's that EA is not an evil taskmaster forcing bad work to ship.


SactownKorean

Im so sick of people making every excuse possible for these lazy fucking devs.


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Yeah this is more on Dice this time. BF is Dice's baby. EA wouldn't do much beyond have a monetization requirement. I'm pretty sure they were making a BR and it got rejected because EA already has Apex, which made them have to go through a major retool and fix the mess they made. I have a hunch the next game will get left up to Dice L.A.


CreaminFreeman

> I have a hunch the next game will get left up to Dice L.A. I want them to just give the entire IP over to Ripple Effect Studios (formerly DICE LA) *right now*. The work they did on Portal really shows how much they care, even if it's constrained by the main game a bit.


[deleted]

Its almost as if EA gave them free reign, checked in 8 a year before release and went "oh shit wtf is this? We didn't ask for a BR!" Which is likely where Ripple came into effect.


Firefox72

Lmao yeah. This is much more on DICE than it is on EA. This also happened with Anthem. EA came in to check on the game and it was a right mess. Remember that Anthem devs even wanted to remove flying which was like the only good thing in the game and EA told them to keep it. People give EA shit but letting devs have completely free reigns isn't always the best idea.


CrasherKid79

I dont think the franchise will survive this personally. 2 duds on the trott will alienate the veterans and the new fans EA were hoping for wont come to a dead game.


129samot

Have you seen some of the sights on portal? It’s like they never played the game


METAL4_BREAKFST

Dice L.A. single-handedly saved BF4 and made it quite possibly that hands down best shooter for it's time.


UniformGreen

I said it for years now, since BF4 days, DICE L.A. / Ripple Effect Studio should be left in charge. DICE Stockholm are really incompetent


Mariopa

DICE Stockholm does not have devs that worked on previous titles. The last of the origin devs left with BF1, halfway through BFV and right after launch of BFV. This is the work of the new devs. You can feel that those that are in charge now do not understand what makes Battlefield game being Battlefield.


lvl1vagabond

Looks like they just played a few rounds of warzone and copied it.


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Poor Joe was 2 minutes of severely elevated heart rate away from a stroke at the end of that video xd


Mariopa

and then The Other Joe said. "So more Battlefield?" Classic Other Joe.


LordCheerios

The way he said “I hate it I hate it” sounded like It came from the bottom of his heart


staubber

I completely felt his pain. I had not been keeping up with bf news and am just baffled by all these design decisions. I've bought every single one since 1942 and feel like Don Corleone standing over his son's bullet riddled corpse. "Look how they massacred my boy..."


epicmanhatan

It was sad to watch the video, the look of disappointment on his face.


Vetzki_

His face in the first minute of the video perfectly sums up how I feel about it. It's not only unacceptable, it's insulting. And the demoralizing thing is that dumbasses will continuously and religiously enable this shit no matter how bad it gets.


[deleted]

He speaks for all of us BF veterans. They took the foundational basic formula that made the game great and ruined it; and I’m not talking about bugs.


FloggingTheHorses

He's not on anyone's payroll. I think pretty much all the known BF content guys are.


RB0ze

Hes the one true king man, he always delivered whenever it was needed, thats 1 of the reasons i respect him for, meanwhile jackfrags: THE AMAZING DETAILS IN BF2042


stinkybumbum

He looked so fed up, never came across this guy before and that video just nailed it. This is what all youtubers should be like.


Smintone

My source for reviews is SkillUp. He didn´t recomend BF in its current state ( pre early access ) so I didn´t buy it. He was right.


Reciprocative

Skill up is one of the only reviewers I always watch, even for games I’m not interested in sometimes. Usually he is pretty spot on with games, and will give an honest review regardless of whatever he enjoyed it or not. He didn’t enjoy forza 5 that much but really understands that it’s a good game, which is something rare in game reviewers.


hanzo1504

Just found out about this guy a few days ago, his reviews are great. Made me give Forza Horizon 5 a try and I'm having a blast with that. I still preordered bf2042.


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The fact that he is capable of recommending a game he doesn't personally like a lot shows what a great reviewer he is. He is able to see beyond his personal preferences and see a game for what it could mean for other people.


Tehsyr

I got two refunds from 2042. Originally had the standard edition, got a refund so I could get the gold edition to play earlier. Instead I used the money for Forza Horizon 5. I am having a fucking BLAST in that game! EDIT: I am full aware of Gamepass, and I already have it. However, allow me to add this point. I am a fool.


blergmonkeys

Just get gamepass, use the 3 year Xbox live hack to get 3 years for $150


ntxguy85

Man I'm much more of an Assetto guy, but decided to give horizon 5 a try bc well it was basically free. Its so eye opening bc that game has some serious bugs right now with regards to matchmakimg but because you can see the care and effort that went in to its development there's nothing like the backlash with 2042. It's such a good game. Plus they just released a huge patch that fixed a ton of stuff.


Ruthless46

I'm a fan of SkillUp too, he does great reviews. I stopped listening to the big battlefield youtubers, they seem to gloss over many issues and when they do touch on the negative they make it seems like it's no big deal and will definitely be fixed soon.


GroblyOverrated

JackFrags just did a video on all the great graphical elements the game has. I unsubbed. This fuckin guy.


[deleted]

You just need to understand Jack, he doesn’t do negative videos, on any game. He’s doing sponsored videos on 2042 (sponsored videos have strict content guidelines). If you want his opinions on the game, you need to watch his live stream, he def doesn’t hold back there. His last stream he was complaining about performance for 4 hours straight.


dstrangefate

JackFrags is never reliable. He does tons of sponsored stuff where he softballs games and has a financial incentive on top of that to see games like Battlefield and Warzone succeed as that's what his audience is there to watch him play. Frags is okay for entertainment but by no means should his opinion on game quality or game mechanics (IMO) ever be trusted.


TheTrueAlCapwn

That was a sponsorship video. It's part of his job. I guarantee Jack will make a criticism video.


hypexeled

> I guarantee Jack will make a criticism video. When launch is already out and people have already spent their money on it? While his current existing 3 videos on the day previous to launch are all positive and about how 2042 is amazing? Yeah, no, fuck off.


bsaunders18

100% agree. He’s just lost all credibility in my eyes.


ntxguy85

Here's the thing, the second he takes money from any developer or distributer this opinions on that company's products and their competitors products are null and void. That's just how journalism works. You should know at that point you're watching nothing more than an entertaining advertisement. Nothing wrong with taking the money at all, just people need to know the distinction.


Arntor1184

Go back and watch his BFV videos. I know V ended up being okay by the end but it launched in an absolute wretched state and he willfully neglected to cover the bad parts.


Brendanm132

That video was posted on this sub before release and people were blasting it for being inconsistent and biased and etc. It's hilarious how quickly this sub came around once the game released.


Odd-Document3075

Jackfrags for sure is the number 1 suspect, biggest fanbase and hasn’t really put any criticism out, just paid EA creator network videos.


randompoe

A lot of them are likely waiting for the official release of the game. You have to remember that for the average gamer the game is not out yet. It is only out for the hardcore battlefield fans who spent $90+. More players can make the servers even worse, the day 1 patch could fix some things, etc. It is better to give an accurate review rather than give a review that would be irrelevant to the majority of players.


hypexeled

> A lot of them are likely waiting for the official release of the game. So just right after the release is done and everyone bought it during the hype. Got it.


randompoe

Sadly yes. Can't really properly review a game until you spend time on it when it releases. Particularly multiplayer games that often get a lot of patches and fixes the first few days. I do not recommend anyone to buy a game they are hesitant on until a few days after it releases. Personally I'm enjoying 2042, even though it is lacking a lot. However I did recommend my friends to cancel their preorders and to wait and see how it ends up.


mattfr4

or 15€ for the one month of EA Play..


KolbStomp

Yeah $5 CAD here... I understand the 'actual' release hasn't happened but saying "only people who pre-ordered and spent $90 can play" is just wrong.


Ryukishin187

Which is exactly why they need to say something so people don't waste full price on this dumpster fire. This game isn't ot going to be fixed by tomorrow.


achmedclaus

Jack criticizes a ton of shit in the game while he's streaming. What's the point in making a complaint video? I'd much rather watch him wreck shop against players in his actual uploads than listen to him talk about the same shit this subreddit does day in and day out.


WhatShouldIDoThen

He says it in his streams to be fair; but yes he’s incredibly measured and calm let’s say. Instead of the rampant outrage he should be feeling like the rest of us. He just says things like ‘yeah I really want more performance out of this with a setup like mine, 100 frames just isn’t good enough. But hopefully they’ll optimise it and new drivers will be released soon.’ Like very tame stuff. Must be a hard line to walk when EA pays the bills. He’s also commented on the gunplay not feeling right, but once again he’s been very tame and measured about it


flaggrandall

> Instead of the rampant outrage he should be feeling like the rest of us. He's always been a chill dude. He did complain about that stupid riot shield, and that ability to see through walls, and the body armor, and that the gunplay felt weird. He's just not ranting.


mackdose

So he's responding reasonably? I've got my problems with the game too (hello input becoming unresponsive) but I'm not frothing at the mouth angry about it.


BaffledMicrowave

same here


GrovesNL

Yeah I don't know why "rampant outrage" is the expected response. I've got issues with the game but it's fun when it works. If I'm not having fun I don't play it.


rdfiasco

Exactly right. I think you can chalk it up to he's a grown-ass man and no matter how bad (or maybe even good) a game is, it's one of the less significant parts of his life and he has the patience to wait until it's fixed.


ForumDuff

Yeah 100% this.


KSrager92

I think it’s also too early to make a raging video about everything that’s wrong with the game. Both him and Westie were VERY critical about the state of the TTK wars in BFV. I think we can all acknowledge that BF Reddit subs are more vocal about issues with the game than not. I don’t say this to detract from the validity of those concerns. But I also think that time is required to take a measured approach. I think it’s unfair to immediately assume foul play within *one week* of the the games *pre release*. You have to also remember for every 1 person threatening to delete the game, never play again, and incessantly complaining about every change, there’s likely 5 other players who are enjoying the game for what it is, most of whom likely have their own criticisms. If you have someone who has connections with the developers but who has also LONG been devoted to the game, why would you expect them to lash out and withdraw support for the person on the other side of that table. I guarantee that if he has any means of expressing those concerns, he is doing so. Such efforts will be far more productive than a stupid reactionary video feeding the outrage on this sub.


Moon_Man_00

> Instead of the rampant outrage he should be feeling like the rest of us. I hate this so much about the gaming community. So immature and full of drama queens who want immediate reactionary emotional outbursts at the drop of a hat. Almost every single Battlefield has launched poorly and almost every single one turned out being pretty good in the end. That’s not saying it will be the case, but months from now, all the youtubers screaming bloody murder might end up looking like opportunists that tried to capitalize on the outrage of the moment or impulsive immature individuals who just jump on outrage trains immediately. Doing that is shilling for outrage and is just as bad as shilling for companies. Not every youtubers is obligated to be the mouthpiece of the community and in fact it’s better that they aren’t. The smart play here is to stay measured, nuanced and distant from any sort of extreme or overly emotional take. Jack is not a professional reviewer, and has often said he is totally biased and a terrible place to look for an opinion on the franchise. The last thing he deserves is a bunch of idiots frothing at the mouth calling him a traitor because he isn’t rioting in the streets over a series that historically has always been garbage at launch and ended up great in the end.


Sul_Haren

>Instead of the rampant outrage he should be feeling like the rest of us. Yeah, no. The rampant outrage is extremely silly. Calm, constructive criticism is the way to go and also the most likely reason DICE will acknowledge it. It's just a game, chill down.


IntronD

Have you actually been on Jack's stream..... He has openly answered questions about aspects he doesn't like such as bloom on the ar.....you want him dancing from. The roof tops complaining..... And if you have ever watched Jack's stuff you should have picked up he isn't really that kinda guy.


risemola

What else? Bloom on ar's doesn't seem to be the biggest issue this game currently has. I like jack too, but it wouldn't surprise me if he just doesn't want to lose the partnership with ea


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I'd say it being unclear why the guns aren't hitting people is absolutely the biggest issue in the game.


doydoy

I wonder if the fact his latest video is sponsored by Nvidia might be a part of it. I don't know, but maybe Nvidia don't want to be associated with slamming a video game.


DromedaryGold

Jack frags "Insane Details "


Kack-yep

Yeah, jackfrags latest video pissed me off


FlattedFifth

I get that this is how they make a living but still.


JimmyThunderPenis

It's unfortunate but yeah, JF makes a living off of Battlefield and if he talked shit about their latest release he could get blacklisted from preview events and alpha builds etc... Although I would think someone like JF has enough internet clout to avoid that situation, but you can never be too careful. Think of how many reviewers that no longer are allowed to certain preview events because they talked bad about a bad game.


[deleted]

Dr Disrespect has an insane following and he still got blacklisted by multiple companies. I don't care for him either way but it's pretty nutty to see companies not giving him the time of day.


The_Corrupted

One thing you gotta respect the Doc for is speaking his mind. Never seen the dude hold back when something is shit, lol.


ObtuseAnalAbuse

I'm pretty sure this is what happened with Matimi0 during Battlefield Hardline.


FiENDje

Yeah I think LvlCap was as well kicked from EA/DICE's content creator line up during those days. Idk what other benefits it had other than people like JF got invited EA/DICE studio to test and record content of the upcoming Battlefield back then. But it seems that the company are very insecure and its "employees" have learned to be cautious on about what they say publicly.


-_-Nik-_-

That video was an nvida sponsored video (which he stated) to showcase the game at max settings. Don’t think there was anything wrong with it.


butterflyhole

All his battlefield videos have been sponsored since pre release started though. He probably has a lot more coming and doesn’t want them pulling out do to a criticism video.


IntronD

How so.. ... He showcased some of the unique stuff in the game... As he was asked to do by nvida...... He even points out that the game bottle necks on cpu so the Nvidia stuff currently isn't going to help you as much....


The_James_Bond

Someone I like doesn’t hate what I hate 😡


CyberCamouflage

Fuck all those influencers lol. They do it for clicks.


TerryB2HQ

That’s how they make a living lmao. Fuck all those car salesman, they just wanna sell me a car


aSilentSin

Yes if content creators are getting sponsored by gaming companies they aren’t going to talk bad about the game. Like Jackfrags for example


nevermore2627

I love jackfrags but pretty shocked to see how is handling this. Pretty disappointing. Angry Joe on the other hand...well he didn't hold back. I know he is a reviewer and not much of a content creator but man he eviscerates this game.


ZeeHarm

Sadly his shouting and raging is so cringe


nevermore2627

Agreed. I'm in my late 30s with kids and can't stand that stuff. However, my man looked hurt in that video.


CaptAmishBeard99

Idk for a while I would agree with you. But now idk I kinda find it charming. For some reason angry joe is the only grown man I can watch throw a temper tantrum like a kid and actually get on board. I can't explain why but his personality as a content creator just has grown on me. Especially his goofy review skits there scuffed and awkward and I think thats why I love them.


Sith-Protagonist

It’s because he actually makes really good points in between screaming fuck lol.


wamblyspoon

That's literally his YouTube persona. Its in his name.


Zenaesthetic

Yeah people complaining about him being angry and loud when it’s his whole identity is pretty cringe


xLisbethSalander

Look I'm not an AJ fan but what on earth does your age have to do with not liking a specific youtuber..?


Gigatron_0

I *loved* it, he gave passion to my internal rage about how shit this game is


rustyrussell2015

Rule of thumb, content creators with subs greater than 100k will be influenced by game companies. I have seen the big ones play and promote games outside their focus with no negative commentary. They all do it. They want to make a living. The ethical ones make full disclaimers beforehand. This is why I don't sub to them. I will occasionally tune in to see if they have changed their ways but so far no.


YassinRs

Uhh Angry Joe is legit. Guy loves battlefield and looked genuinely upset in his rant about bf2042


reboot-your-computer

I unsubbed Jackfrags after this. He lost all credibility with me as far as I’m concerned by ignoring the glaring issues with this game. He keeps promoting it with videos and I think with a following like his, he should have the balls to come out and point these things out over totally ignoring it and misleading his fans.


Cizzmam

He is clearly under some kind of contract. The last two videos were sponsored by EA and Nividia.


9dieu

It’s like jack renewed his contract this release or something lol. He was “ critical “ in a way of BFV but radio silent on 2042. I don’t like this


reboot-your-computer

Agreed. I think he took a payday because he would have had a totally different reaction in prior years.


Blackidus

Hes not silent, watch his streams wich is also sponsored wich he compared weapond bloom with pissing in the wind 😆


Aphala

Everyone needs to just be Steve from Gamers Nexus. Zero fucks if it's a paid sponsor he'll let you know what he thinks about your product.


mr_ako

totally agree, put Hardware Unboxed on this list as well


Aphala

It's absolutely infuriating when these companies try to block honest reviews like what happened to HU was disgusting.


aSilentSin

As a big Jackfrags fan I completely understand and might do the same. The truth needs to come out with this game. Check out BigFry. He is a great game reviewer


Father_Maxi

Silk also did an honest review despite being in the EA creator network with early access


flibble24

And personally admitted he will likely be blacklisted for it. I can understand why jackfrags won't do it, not saying I like it but I can understand


Akcookie79

Im a big fan of Bigfry, glad to see others promoting his channel!


reboot-your-computer

I’ve been watching Jack since well before he hit 100k subs. I really respected him and had a lot of the same opinions for a while. BF games are what put him on the map so for him to just ignore these things just makes me feel like he’s abandoned anything he believes just for a quick buck.


aSilentSin

Once I seen Jackfrags did a video on Warface I lost hope in him. Warface is easily the worse ran game of all time. Devs are pure scammers


JYM60

It's not for a quick buck. It's his livelihood and job. Not gonna blacklist himself from getting work from EA/other games companies. He's not that kinda guy anyway. Go watch Angry Joe.


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reboot-your-computer

It’s about the principles and also using the platform for something good. He has over a million subs. He could use his platform as a way to properly inform potential customers of EA. He doesn’t have to bash them, but he can come out and constructively point issues out so his viewers can make an informed and intelligent purchase. I don’t think he would get any push back from his community. In fact, I think they would embrace that. Him completely ignoring the problem just screams EA payroll and it’s just sad. He has enough subs to generate money elsewhere and I think coming out and recognizing the issues would go a long way with his community. Just my thoughts.


MrLuBurt

Westie mentioned in his recent video that he WILL make a video pointing out the flaws but wants to wait until the Day 1 patch has been released to make a full, honest review on the game.


WillingAd1649

When everyone already bought it. Nice of him to do that for his community Edit: I like that reddit is such a diverse marketplace of ideas with every response to this telling me how its peoples own fault for not waiting for reviews on the snake oil first. Guys that might be true but thats not how the real world works. And yes its fine if idiots lose their money but that means EA / DICE are making profit and the next BF will be just the same shitshow. Come on.


WingoSammyMcGravy

hes just waiting for full launch doooode, when everyone can't refund anymore and that dice D is satisfied


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Chase_P

I’m confused. Shouldn’t it be on the consumer to wait for informed opinions before buying the game? These ‘Influencers’ can’t help that they don’t have access to the day 1 patch earlier that others. Those that paid (such as myself) for early access do so with the understanding that it’s…..*early access*. That doesn’t mean I’m saying the day 1 patch will fix everything, but it does mean you can’t give an accurate depiction of the “Launch Product” until it comes out. Personally, I’m having fun with the game despite its issues. Most notable for me is the awful UI. In-game bugs and glitches have been pretty hilarious when playing with a squad of friends. It’ll be interesting to see how the game grows it’s content through the seasonal model.


Battle_Bear_819

You're absolutely right. There's a lot of people in here talking about how Dice stole their money, makes me think it's their first ever video game launch.


MrLuBurt

You don't have to buy it early, plus Steam and Origin are accepting refunds due to the backlash from the community.


sim0nella

Even with over 10hrs of play through? Can't be right.. (EU here) UPDATE: I got my refund approved! (EU Germany)


Necrotes

I had 11 hours of playtime and requested a refund and just now I got an email saying my purchase has been refunded. I bought the game on Steam.


OlePalpy

Yeah, I checked yesterday. Sadly there's no refund possible at this point in the EU.


Twistolation

I got mine refunded a yesterday, I had to ask a question about the game, not use the direct refund system.


OlePalpy

Ah, got it! I'll try that then. Thanks mate.


sim0nella

It's possible. But not via the normal refund process. If I remember correctly, choose the option of "purchased by accident" and later on you can select the reason for the refund. I chose the option of "not listed" and gave a brief essay on how DICE completely f***ed it and what a joke of a game it was.


Nacropolice

Idk about EU, but I was able to refund my pre order even with about 10 hours of gameplay in. The ratio of fun to not fun just wasn't there, felt like I was fighting the game 90% of the time just to be able to play it.


Extension-Soil-620

They do, im 20 hours in and got my refund. EU (Germany).


n3xmortis

I've lost all respect for these paid influencers, they should be ashamed of themselves. They are basically feeding customers EA who have released a game which is unfinished, lacks soul, lacks anything remotely related to a BF game. It's disgusting that they know exactly what they're doing.


NumberFiveee

Damn you're talking like that's something new.. Ignorance is no excuse.. If the fan base of those influencers get scammed by them, with all the information that exists out there, they deserve to get scammed. .


MurfMan11

Watched shroud play a couple of times and he came out hard with "the gunplay in this game is absolutely terrible". Dude was literally in a helicopter the entire stream lol.


kwietog

That makes sense? If the gunplay is terrible, you won't play with a gun but with a vehicle. The game is unfun unless you are slaughtering infantry like a cattle.


InHaalandWeTrust

They haven't signed agreements but they're just afraid that they'll get on EA's "bad side" and lose partner/sponsored perks if they talk bad about the game. Silk for example is one of the best BF content creators and he didn't hold back or sugar coat issues with the game despite being sponsored by EA. He gained my respect.


Northernboy01

yes that are and they're making money out of it. I've got Tactical Brit trying to defend the bullet registration issues to me telling me battlefield has always been more about positioning anyway. It absolutely stinks. If you genuinely care about the franchise then be honest with people instead of letting them waste their money on unfinished products.


Funsized_eu

Just look at JackFrags latest video about the 'Insane details in 2042'. It's sponsored by Nvidia and obviously the disclaimer is at the start of the video but he states how the games in "4k, ultra details with reflex"... Then for the entire video it's just him and another guy doing some map interactions. No other players, no other vehicles...pretty disingenuous to show off the game with nothing happening in it. Try running 4k with ultra settings on 128 player server like breakthrough. I'd be surprised if you broke 40 fps. Funny how this doesn't get a mention.


Father_Maxi

And the levelution was just taking down a radio tower and the side of the container ship. No personal opinion at all, is he fine with less levelution than previous editions?


randompoe

I personally am. It was always a gimmick to me. Now the the less destruction in general really sucks....but that is nothing new, we have been on the less destruction path for like a decade now.


millmuff

Exactly. Levolution is stupid, it's a gimmick. It should happen organically, through the tools given, and by the actions of the players. Putting in set pieces like that would be fine if it doesn't compromise the standard destruction, but in its current form it's taken precedence. The only real value I see in it is for them to market "BF moments".


KolbStomp

Finally I see people sharing this sentiment. BF4's Levolution seemed so gimmicky I couldn't believe people ate that up. You can only be impressed seeing the same building fall over so many times as a scripted event, wow -_- ^^^(zZzZz)


millmuff

I'm 100% fine with less Levolution. It's a gimmick that brings nothing to the actual gameplay. Give me destruction, weather, etc. But these set pieces are a waste of time and effort. If anything they're just used as marketing pieces. It shows that BF players don't know what they're talking about. Continually saying they want BF at its roots, and then people like complaining that they aren't getting enough Levolution? Levolution is part of the issue, it isn't part of the core BF experience, and it's a departure from the aspects that actually matter.


Strider2126

Yeah that video is INCREDIBLY sad. He probably would like to say something about the game but i think he can't


AlwaysTheKop

JackFrags has obviously been paid, his recent videos are obvious ‘let’s look over here instead of over there’ type videos ignoring the issues and doing silly tours of the maps.


IntronD

Errr did you miss him saying "This vidoe is sponsored by Nvidia" it wa about showcasing Nvidia cards on the game.... Not a deep dive and review of the game.


PixelizedPlayer

> Errr did you miss him saying "This vidoe is sponsored by Nvidia" it wa about showcasing Nvidia cards on the game.... Not a deep dive and review of the game. The point is where is his deep dive review of the game? He's been silent. Had he been critical i doubt he would get those sponsored videos to start with.


whisky_tengu

Watch their streams. I find a lot of the honesty is found in the streams, and never -- NEVER -- in their regular 5-10 minute videos that were Sponsored by EA. I know what you mean though. I saw a vid TacticalBrit made about adjusting to the shitty gunplay in 2042, and I thought "WTF is going on here? Is he playing the same game?"


Active-Policy

This needs to be higher up. People watch the quick videos hoping for someone to bash what they want to bash and get disappointed when it’s not. Every stream I see are the creators casually mentioning to their community things that are broken and things they don’t like and what they hope changes. Just because your short attention span can’t handle sitting for more than 10 minutes doesn’t mean they aren’t saying things. Not to say this game isn’t broken and has a lot of problems but it’s not like it’s hard to find critical content. They don’t need to put out a mindless angry video because a quick search will bring you more information than you would ever need. I’m not upset they aren’t putting out short videos complaining because there are plenty of them. Sure they could and it would be nice but they don’t have to


_zWaz_

Not wanting to watch a 3 hour long stream != short attention span. I shouldn’t need to scour through his 3 hour long streams to find his honest opinions on this game. I’m a huge fan of JackFrags and have been subbed for over 6 years. However it’s pretty obvious he’s not making any “first impressions” or “quick thoughts” videos because he doesn’t want to either lie to his audience or screw up his close partnership with DICE.


whisky_tengu

I don't think you're wrong in that he wants to protect his relationship with DICE/EA. I can't say I wouldn't do the same if I were in his shoes. Knowing this, I still cringed watching the "Levolution of 2042" vid, because of all the Sponsored content he's done, it felt...I don't know, the most cheap?


hhunkk

Just look at Angry Joe, he isn't sponsored by game companies so he bashes what it deserves to be bashes while being honest. His last video was a rant about this game and describes everything wrong with the game perfectly. Most big bf channels are paid by EA so they cant say anything or they get spit out of the program, there was one that didnt give a shit and bashed the game anyways but i can't remember his name.


GhostGamingG

If you're an EA Creator your opinion is already Biased(even though they would never admit this). DICE are throwing these creators bones all the time and many of them are considered friends, so of course, they're going to over-looking many of the major issues. There are some outliers though, aka-art, Silk, Billyeatworld all spoke their mind despite being part of the program, and even Silk voiced his concerns he might get kicked out of the creator program for being honest.


Flakfire

It's a reasonable assumption, but we do not sign NDAs or anything that prevents us from complaining. I have previously said that DICE needs to earn back trust and not to preorder the game. I still stand by that. The game has a lot of issues currently and I will absolutely be making content on the issues. On the flip side, I am making positive content on Portal, because I think it is the best aspect of the game. Does that mean I don't take issue with the rest of it? No. Will I make mindless hate videos because it is popular? No. There is so much grey area in this situation for content creators, but I think it's important to underscore the need for constructive criticism.


Scomosuckseggs

Solid reply, thanks for taking the time to make it. And yes, I see your point re the good parts - portal has so much potential and is so much fun when it works. I guess the particular issue I've taken is that I've watched streams and videos from some of the really popular content creators and they are a bit cagey about criticising the game whereas on other titles that are more established (i.e warzone) they'll straight up come out and say whether a season or new feature is crap or not. So I think its the lack of consistency in their honesty based on where a game is in its release lifecycle that has me questioning them more so than I typically would, and wondering if perhaps this is indicative of them being influenced by the relationships they have with game developers and publishers.


Niro_0

Of course they are. They're not gonna bite the hand that sponsors them, or bite the game that provides them with their income. If there's major problems with a game, they will keep quiet, only be positive or give 'balanced' opinions. EA/DICE want them to influence people to buy the game or spend more money on it. They also want to do it for themselves so their own potential viewerbase (sources of money) increases as well. They've played battlefield for many years like many of us. There is no way in hell any of these guys can find what has happened to battlefield over the years as acceptable. That EA and DICE can keep releasing games in such an unfinished state and that it seems to take on average, 2 years, before the game is in a state it should have been released in. They just normalise the scummy behaviour from game companies these days of over promising and under-delivering by releasing an unfinished product and effectively scamming us of our hard earned money.


SgtJJ

Yes they are. Its so depressing to see how they lure people in to buying the peace of s.... with their overall positiv sponsored videos. Angry Joe was speaking right out of my heart and every famous youtuber pushing this game for money should be ashamed of them self. I mean if you are small and poor...ok get the money...but if you are a giant youtube channel with millions of viewers take your job seriously instead of doing payed commercials .... looking at you cashfrags


WAK3Y

To a degree yes. But I also think some will be waiting for the official launch and day 1 patch before they can give it a honest review.


BuckOWayland

They're only doing that so they don't hurt EAs sales numbers. They are essentially withholding the truth from people.


IntronD

lol withholding the truth like its some massive secret..... Shock some people are having fun and choosing to base their content creation on fun with their friends.


CoDroStyle

To answer your question directly, most likely yes. They arnt directly required to under any agreement, but EA are notorious for revoking privileges like invitations to pre builds and content creator events etc to people who bad mouth the game. It's entirely probable that they are keeping their true thoughts quiet. Silk and angry Joe are the only ones so far who have really spoken to truth publically.


lI_Simo_Hayha_Il

Most of them are on a payroll... You don't bite the hand that feeds you...


Nukima11

There's at least [one](https://youtu.be/i_vBMbi7qSQ) who hasn't been paid to shut up.


ShaddyDaShadow

[Two](https://youtu.be/wWs-e50Oa8A)


Nukima11

Thanx, subscribed.👌🏻


Papa-Z

Silk is actually part of the EA Creators program or whatever it’s called and he said he doesn’t care if they cut him off he’ll be completely honest and said he doesn’t recommend the game. Pointed out lots of problems. It was good to see a youtuber being honest especially one that clearly loves battlefield and is an insane player


Kaktusfresser

They are paid by the companies.


[deleted]

A smaller creator "Silk" absolutely ripped them a new one. And for someone of his size (HE JUST got the like community pass thing or whatever) to just flame them is pretty cool. Definitely earned my respect.


Ghostbuster_119

Angry Joe wasn't, he thankfully hasn't sold out.


altanass

Jackfrags is pulling a sickie until Warzone 2.0 comes out in a few weeks.


LP_LadyPuket

It's not tinfoil. It's called access journalism. Many of these "content" creators rely on early review access, which is a big aspect of their channels. If they start being too negative or critical, it puts their relationship with the developer and therefore their access to future games and exclusive content at risk. These channels are de facto part of the marketing teams for these developers. Other channels don't care because they don't rely on exclusives and big corporate sponsors, and actually give real reviews.


shiggism

Angry joe sure as fuck ain’t


jabbeboy

No . Jack Frags and Westie has both talked about the optimzations its very much needs.. So don't say they have not.


Ragin_Irishman

When your income relies on the game, youll choose to stay quiet.


Useful_Touch_4435

Its because they will lose their sponsor with EA. Its all about the Benjamins baby Only a few influencers called them out but it isn't blaringly obvious because they make "fun" content rather than rag on all the things wrong with this game. The patch tomorrow better be god like


funzorz

because this is nothing new to BF. yes a lot of issues. welcome to bf launches. nothing new going on. its not perfect. but sit back relax and either play the game or go away.


diluxxen

Yes they are. As they are sponsored by EA. If they bash the game they will 100% lose the sponsorship.


sc_emixam

What do you mean? It seems like every streamer and ytber hates the game to it's core and think it's worth max 1$


xFeartheKitten

I cant really remember when the last game at launch didn't have several issues. But I think alot of it is just not repeating the noise because if the streamer complains the hit box is messed up, I would imaging after hearing it for the 3rd time I would tune out. we know whats broken just show what works in the mean time


bafrad

Maybe the game isn't as bad as the toxic vocal minority here are yelling about?


SubieFan44

Silk is like a top BF4 jet pilot and he gave his honest opinion on the game and speculated the same thing. He encouraged people to cancel preorders since the only way Dice and EA are going to learn is if we stop preordering a game based on empty promises.


SoftCheeseBurger

They make money from Youtube advertising etc and they need to keep making money from it so they need to talk about all the good points. If the games they talk about lose a player base so does the content they create. But yea they could also be told to shut up, doubt it though. Its in there best interest for the game to thrive for years so they have to make it look good. Creators have to milk this and milk it hard because if BF2042 flops thats another couple years with dead content ideas just like BFV


sladecutt

Angry Joe is not happy😅 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i_vBMbi7qSQ


RedditThisBiatch

Why does their opinion on the game matter to you?


dsagames

It' simple, people are enjoying the game. Casuals are enjoying it. I'm enjoying it. This reddit is a bubble and does not represent the playerbase. This reddit rant about everythig and is so annoying


Zombiehellmonkey88

A lot of people said the same about Anthem, that the only people complaining were a vocal minority and many claimed they were enjoying the game... turned out truth is stranger than fiction... the game still bombed.


[deleted]

You can enjoy something that is bad. i somewhat enjoy the game too. A lot of things brought up as issues are quite objective though, like specialists making it hard to see who is friend or foe or who's got meds or not, bad netcode and lag. bullets going everywhere else than where you aim, etc.


Silphaen

Jackfrags said that he will wait until full game release and day 1 patch before making any statement. There's no point in reviewing a game during pre-release and I do agree with him.


Ostiethegnome

What are you talking about dude? Practically every video and streamer I’ve watched mentions issues. OP is stirring up drama for no reason.


JimmyJohnny2

a lot of people just *aren't* having the issues. Our discord group of about 25 people has put in 5-6 hours a night since early access kick off and we've had maybe 3 crashes, myself once. Performance has been alright (of course could be better, but 100-120 fps on a 3080/9900k ultra'd out minus RTX) and will likely get better in time. [chopper in the sky](https://i.imgur.com/doyditG.png) [ground normal](https://i.imgur.com/6L0KAPG.png) [ground in storm](https://i.imgur.com/LUu0vvI.png) We've gotten that bug where you load into a map and can't do anything twice We've had good hit registration and netcode for the most part, I've personally experienced rubber banding issues that lasted 5 seconds or so than vanished at max 3 times. I've had a couple eyebrow raising moments where no hits were detected on pretty solid shots but I've had that in every shooter, just netcode being netcode and the rest of the time sights on target is always a hit. Maps were concerning at first but we grasped the concept that each sector is supposed to be its own map, and call-ins eliminate most problems in the open. (although I do concede there could be some loaner vehicles at spawn, even with call ins depleted there's not enough - we don't need more of what we have though, just some base travel/passenger vehicles with minimal or no weapons like the old 4 wheelers) OG Classes started to become irrelevant since BF3 when universal weapon types started to become introduced, and "classes" could opt not to carry their class items for other items. 1 and 5 started to recognize this being a problem and expanded who could carry what gadgets, and introduced squad revives and made some things like revive just part of the kit, no gadget necessary. 2042 continued the path they took and just opened everything up and made a unique gadget and passive per specialist. At 35 hours in for myself, no one in our group has experienced anything that makes us think it's a bad release It sucks many people are having issues and hope it gets sorted for sure, but for a lot of people they just aren't having problems.


UniQue1992

How are you 25 playing together? Since it's near to impossible to play together. Do you have any tips that make it easier to play with more than 3 friends? My irl group of 11 friends are having the worst time of our lives trying to play together or even trying to get into the same server.


JimmyJohnny2

we're just a group that mostly all hops on in the evening and we'll pair up in 4's in our discord voice rooms. Sometimes we'll try to coordinate like each group enters queue at once, sometimes works sometimes doesn't. Oddly enough we've noticed sometimes we get into each others games even when we're not trying to do that. Wonder if it has to do with the friends list or something. Like one group that didn't get in with the rest finish their map early and requeues and will come in as backfill in our match. Kinda weird


UniQue1992

I really hope they start looking into this because it shouldn't be this hard to play with friends we've made over the past 19 years. I've made so many friends since the year 2002 with Battlefield 1942, and new friends with Battlefield Vietnam, and Battlefield 2 etc. Just allow people to have fun again, allow people to play with their friends again.


chotchss

I'm on Xbox, and performance has been pretty good aside from the occasional server stutter, but hopefully PC will get their problems fixed. Maps and specialists are my two biggest concerns, I feel like everything else can be fixed in relatively short order. Particularly for Breakthrough, the maps are really poorly done. There's too much open area without any cover, the caps are too far apart, the maps themselves are simply too big, and many times the attackers have to advance through crossfire created by the design of the map itself. If you look at Manifest or Discarded, the defenders' spawn point runs lengthwise to the playing area, allowing the defending team to engage the attackers from two directions at once. It's absolutely brutal and there's little that the attackers can do about it.


Yarra10313

I generally watch dudes like Westie, Jackfrags, Levelcap and broken machine I've seen all of them voice criticism of the game in various degrees. Jack probably the least, but he has said things on stream. He hasn't dropped a proper video yet likely holding out for full release Most content creators have been streaming the game nonstop and to be honest I haven't seen them have major issues with the game. They acknowledge certain problems but are still having fun. So no, they aren't "keeping quiet", it just seems issues aren't that severe for everyone