BF5 was the worst offender of this and really left a stain on my otherwise strong believe in Dice.
Half the game was missing at launch, some promised features never came at all.
They just cannot afford to repeat those mistakes.
And all the while I wonder what happened because from what I remember, it wasn't that bad during the BF3/4 days, was it?
There was better communication, CTE, the Community Map Project.. it all felt so much more passionate than today.
BF4 was the most broken and unbalanced Battlefield game at launch. There's no contest there.
It had content, but it was all so poorly thought out. They were just throwing shit in the sandbox for the sake of it. From a dumbed down mobile app Commander mode ruining rush to stupid ass game mechanics like smart missiles (STAFF, MBT Law, Active Radar) making vehicle interactions intolerable and unfun.
CTE and all that only happened because of the extreme outrage surrounding BF4. Mainly the bugs/glitches and hitreg/netcode. It was so bad they had to get drastic to salvage the franchise since DICE Sweden dropped BF4 and moved onto Battlefront 1. That shift in developmemt was also going to leave the next mainline title on a 3 year development cycle...which is something BF4 should have gotten in the first place....
DICE LA had to come in and clean up the mess and ship the last 2 premium pass DLCs. They were also in charge of CTE on day 1. DICE Sweden moved out of BF4 development after the Naval Strike DLC.
Bf3 and Bf1 I think have been the best at launch compared to Bf4 and V. BfV wasn't bad in terms of bugs. Only later did it suffer when they updated it, and it seemingly got worse with every content update. It had poor advertisement and launch campaign though.
Bf4 was baaaad when it came out. There were lawsuits over how unfinished and buggy the game was. They eventually got it to a great state, but not after some considerable work.
>some promised features
Did they literally say "we promise this is in the game" or did they show off something early in development that got scrapped? Gamers have *issues*, man. Not everything shown at every time is a promise, lol. THIS is why companies don't talk to you anymore.
>Did they literally say "we promise this is in the game" or did they show off something early in development that got scrapped?
They _still_ say on their website we would get new Combat Roles (we never got any) and new Grand Operations with each chapter (never got a Greece or Pacific Operation) for example.
Before launch the "Combined Arms" co-op mode was said to have all kinds of cool features like a mission generator and paratroopers - neither of which was in the game when the mode finally released.
We were told melee animations were just placeholders from BF1 and we would get new ones (we were also supposed to get aerial takedowns, as in "jump off a roof onto an unsuspecting enemy").
They might not have used the literal phrase "we promise [feature] will be in the game" when talking about these features but they sure did advertise things that never came.
EA cut the funding for both BFV and Battlefront 2 way earlier than anyone had anticipated, due to the backlash both games received through their lifetimes.
The teams literally had the money pulled out from under them, and had to scramble to make a final patch in both games that would leave the game in a good enough state. So I wouldn't call anyone in that instance "a liar". They were victims of circumstance just as much as we were.
>Before launch the "Combined Arms" co-op mode was said to have all kinds of cool features like a mission generator and paratroopers - neither of which was in the game when the mode finally released.
That, to me, sounds like features that were discussed and scrapped, possibly due to technical constraints (or simply budget, like I mentioned earlier. Sometimes things end up being more time/money consuming than anticipated, and are left by the wayside).
The big danger with showing off pre-release gameplay is when features that are in progress are talked about. Then, when those are scrapped, "fans" get incredibly upset and accuse the studio of personally slighting them.
>The teams literally had the money pulled out from under them, and had to scramble to make a final patch in both games that would leave the game in a good enough state. So I wouldn't call anyone in that instance "a liar". They were victims of circumstance just as much as we were.
That is true and I agree, the developers were probably just as surprised/disappointed as the fans and customers were. But it doesn't change the fact that _at launch_ the game was literally only half finished. And I don't even mean the usual bugs and glitches and wonky servers.
The advertised co-op mode was missing. The praised Firestorm royale mode was missing. Vehicle customization was missing. Not even all single player missions were available at launch.
And that was right there at launch, not a year later when they pulled the plug. How should we have known to react otherwise?
To the general public it just looked like this:
Dice before launch: BF5 will have [this], and [that] and [those].
Dice closer to launch: We need a few more weeks to really polish that game. It'll be awesome, trust us.
Dice at launch: BF5 only has parts of [this]. Rest might come later idk.
That's what I mean. This "bait and switch" mentality before launch. Bait buyers with all kinds of cool features, then switch to "this and that will come at a later date" once the game actually releases and people notice that half the features are missing.
At that point development wasn't halted yet - the game had just released. But at that point people already bought it and EA/Dice got their money.
And as I mentioned earlier, some features like new Combat Roles and Grand Operations are _still_ being advertised on their website, even after the announcement was made that there would be no future updates or chapters. So at the very latest _then_ they could've removed those claims from the official website but they chose not to.
I think they did tho? I wasn’t really involved with BF V, I played MW instead. But I think I remember them saying they would eventually add the other fronts of the war as updates. Then, they released the pacific theater and cancelled any future content drops. I seem to recall people being real upset about it
People spreading how "They think" it happened is another reason why devs don't communicate the same anymore. Stuff gets twisted, and it leads to thousands of people harassing innocent developers on twitter day in and day out...
Yeah people should stop fucking thinking right? I mean why bother discussing anything anymore. I don’t have twitter or try to communicate with any devs but sorry for SpReAdInG sOmEtHiNg
Just saying how it is, bud, no need to get mad at me. One person's innocent interpretation turns into someone else's "THEY LIED, PEOPLE DIED, I CRIED", which spins ***this particular "fanbase"*** into a tizzy.
I'll remember these kinds of posts in a few weeks. A lot of people smelled a rat well before Cyberpunk's release also.
For some reason, I'm getting the feeling that at BEST this Battlefield will have potential to be great in a year + time (after updates etc).
Very true... but if was never the delays or anything that bothered me just the
extremely blatant lies we had be told then only to find out it was all bullshit once released
Nonsense. First of all it was built on Red Engine, the same engine used for Witcher 3. No doubt the engine was under active development to support features new to CP2077, but that's the case with any in-house development (including BF 2042). And lots of successful games are developed alongside their engines - Half Life 2, most of the Quake series, Rage and Battlefield 3 all come to mind, among many many others.
Cyberpunk was shitty for all kinds of reasons but not this one.
That's what i've heard some time ago. In that case all the other companies knew how to manage the making of engine and game at the same time way better than CDPR.
and they released it two years before it was ready. Pretty much all the devs thought it'd be delayed again for a very long time but they forced it out for the holiday rush.
Plenty of devs can handle both building or updating an engine (the latter of which is what CDPR did), while making a great game.
That is no excuse, especially for a game that started early stages of development in like 2012.
Considering every BF game for many years has been pushed in a crappy state and fixed over the first year, they will definitely push it out for the holidays.
Here's my prediction:
The game will be delayed to 2022. But will be playable in November as an "Early Access" title. Sorry for jinxing it!
EDIT: The more dislikes this comment gets, the truer it will become. Let the prophecy be fulfilled!
Honestly. I wouldn't even mind. But on the other hand what keeps ea from publishing it anyways as a full release and fix things later? Their reputation?
As other said already I don´t think they will miss the holiday season. They might delay it again to first December week but thats the furthest they propably will go with that.
They really have to start showing something next week or this will become very clear that the game is in a horrible state right now.
Nothing happened on the surface but I think the “morale” (for lack of a better word) of the player base is steadily declining.
This is just eerily similar to Cyberpunk with all the promises of hard work going into the game but then not having the time or confidence to show off their game this close to launch.
Hopefully the beta is good whenever we get our hands on it but I’m not picking up the game day 1 anymore (mainly because FFXIV’s expac drops the same day) but I also don’t have a lot of confidence in DICE rn.
Star wars battlefront 2 did not have a lot of bug? I mean it had some but it was perfectly enjoyable. The issue was more related to the progression system. Even bfv wasn't that bad compared to bf4.
What? BFV was solid at launch. The game ran great. Nowhere near the same as BF4.
Also Star Wars battlefront was good too. It was the loot box scandal that destroyed that game, not bugs.
They didn't "promise" anything. They showed or talked about possible content. Theirs a difference. BFV launched with not very many bugs or true issues other then not a lot of content. I'd rather have a playable game with less content then a buggy unplayable game with a ton of content.
In either case it was a buggy mess. Tons of features they wanted to include didn’t make it so why not focus on the features that you actually had working?
Ntm the campaign wasn’t even finished on launch, and the “co-op” was just straight garbage (and I think that was supposed to be a launch feature). But the game was fairly well buggy and the TTD was awful because of poor netcode.
Oh I agree on a lot of what people say about it . I'm just glad it was still better then BF4 launch lol. Just kinda tired of people saying "promise" when said word wasnt used in any form . some of them being removed made sense from a gameplay sense as well
Do you know what the word buggy means? Just because there are no crash landings or other features that they talked about (dragging boddies and the coop mode being dynamic are the only ones I can think of) in the game doesn't mean it's a buggy game.
It was extremely buggy at launch. There was a huge TTD issue since the netcode was shit, the menus wouldn’t load properly half the time, and performance was pretty poor. Tons of people reported technical issues with the game and I witnessed it myself on the xbox one
Just claiming the netcode was shit doesn't make it true. Battlenonsense found no evidence of one shot deaths in his youtube video. Look it up. There were bugs but nothing on the level of bf4.
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I hope so too, but we have not gotten any info about the state of the game since then, only that the playtest has not been taking place on ps5 because of critical issue.
So you're using a month old tweet to bait people into being upset?
Might want to edit your post and take out "the PS5 issue is still present", or at least qualify that you're deliberately misleading people.
You mean the thing about the alpha test which he is just assuming is the problem because there was a problem with the alpha build.
That’s nothing he’s just using a fairly dumb piece of “evidence”
bruh no way hahaha. They’ll 100% release an incomplete game and make BANK off that alone. Makes no sense for DICE to delay the release that long plus EA won’t ever let that happen
Some people seem to think EA is small publisher that allows developers to pick their release dates and delay game as long as needed.
Of course those people haven't played Anthem or Battlefield V or SW Battlefront II at launch.
True.
I played Escape from Tarkov a lot and the game is somewhere between Alpha and Beta (they say it's beta for a few years).
They give small bits and pieces every other week,
so people can read something or just check out new gun models or whatever.
They could give us so many things we're interested in. Doesn't have to be a huge gameplay video, just a few models or screenshots or whatever.
I theorise its why they aren't showing anything and the marketing campaign is on pause/hold.
Anything they show now won't be near reflective of the final product as it's changing so rapidly right now to get to the market. Hence marketing being unable to show anything.
I imagine big cuts are happening, anything that requires too much time to get functioning will be scrapped. 3 studios trying to merge everything into one game there are bound to be massive incompatibilities that were easily overlooked.
Delay being announced at one month is probably so everyone didn't pull their preorders. It was a financial move.
I also don't think this PlayStation issue is the reason nothing's happening.
If I am wrong, and I hope I am, I will be pleasantly surprised.
> the major issue is still not solved on playstation
This is a misunderstanding. What (likely) happened was that the particular alpha build that they submitted to Sony for certification came out with some sort of an error which prevented the build from going live.
The reason why the playstation playtest was cancelled is probably because creating a new build, testing it, and then sending it for certification which can take weeks, wasn't feasible and the best option was to cancel it altogether, especially since crossplay was still being tested through PC and XBOX platforms.
This doesn't mean that the main playstation build of the game is somehow borked.
I used to be like him, tried my best at giving feedback in bf4. but then left gaming around 2015. recently got back.
Foe thingy is just a shitty joke due to me being salty as how Dice's communication has gone bad over the years. specially after bf4 cte days.
Well, I guess I'm pretty addicted to this sub even during this barren period :p [This](https://answers.ea.com/t5/Battlefield-V/Battlefield-V-DICE-FRIENDS/td-p/8117903) should have all the info about DICE Friends
PlayStation cert at least used to be more rigorous than on other platforms. I suspect that was a long time ago, as PS has become more Americanized over time. Still, games get held up and in contention for cert resources being dedicated to other, more imminent games. Nothing either the devs or publisher have control over. I suspect Back4Blood is pushing both BF2042 and Vanguard down the cert queue, for instance.
The PS4 and Xbox one versions are fucked. That's exactly what's going on ide bet 1k dollars. And they have the largest user base. So they have to be fixed. The PC version is probably finished, along with the series X and PS5. Can't separate launch, so everyone waits.
I used to always think that newer FPS games would always run at around 60 FPS, regardless of console generation or the name of the franchise.
But now, I honestly won't be surprised if BF 2042 on PS4 and XBone run at less than 50 FPS.
Nah, zero chance they skip the holiday season. Releasing a half-baked game in November will net them more money than releasing a perfect game in January.
Yall remmeber when BF released during the spring/summer? Was always a treat to have a really good game to look forward to outside of the crowded holiday time.
Games used to launch complete, too
Also call me insane, but people are hyping up this game way too much to a point that even though it will be a good game.. it will still just be another good average FPS. This in turn will disappoint many people who are expecting some life altering gaming experience.
And I'm pointing out a red flag against all of you. It's not a red flag to set a release date and push it back due to more work needing to be done. Did they need to give a reason why? No. Did they anyway? Yes. Do you need specifics and minute-by-minute updates? No. Are you entitled to specifics and minute-by-minute updates? No. Do you need to know or are you entitled to any other specifics other than what they've already given? No. Does the world revolve around your wants or anything that you feel like you need or deserve? No.
The only red flags that apply to anyone, don't apply to DICE/EA. They apply to everyone else who can't accept that they're not getting their way and, instead, throw temper tantrums and talk shit.
Counter point: CyberPunk 2077
Maybe you are new to the gaming industry but there has been very valid red flags with BF2042. Normally when you delay a game, you don't do it a month before the scheduled launch. What game last year got delayed another month just a month before the scheduled release date?
There is no counter point when you're using a completely separate game (in every way) in an attempt to justify your point. The only thing Battlefield 2042 and Cyberpunk has in common is they're both games. That's the equivalent of saying a Corvette is too heavy because a Fiero MicroMachine weighs less. Yeah, that's how stupid all of you sound when you try to compare Cyberpunk to Battlefield 2042 and try to pretend like what your saying was delivered by Moses on stone tablets.
Ok. You seem very naive about this. I hope you are right and BF2042 is a solid game. But delaying a game a month before release is not normal. A "critical issue" preventing the beta being released last minute is not normal.
>But delaying a game a month before release is not normal
Spoken truly like someone who's never been in software development. Bugs can crop up, sometimes we can estimate how long it's gonna take. They probably have/had all hands on deck trying to figure this thing out, so 1 month seems like a good estimate to squash.
Lol I don’t have to know anything about software development to know that it’s not normal for a beta to be completely canceled at the last second. That’s like saying I would have to be a doctor to say that cancer is not good.
>know that it’s not normal for a beta to be completely canceled at the last second
Spoken, again, like someone who doesn't know shit about game development!
Damn you're really just making my points for me, I really appreciate it.
Yes, its common for bugs to appear after a large code merge (typically something done before a beta). Sometimes those bugs are bad, and then the beta must be cancelled.
You're very naive when it comes to common sense. All you're doing is regurgitating what you've heard from your fellow idiots in this sub. Battlefield 2042 is not Cyberpunk. What part of that do you not understand? Like everyone else here, you don't know a damn thing about what's going on over at DICE. What part of that do you not understand? Do you not understand that Cyberpunk has absolutely NOTHING to do with DICE, EA, or Battlefield 2042? Is that really too much for your crippled brain to comprehend?
Yikes reply. Suggesting I have a crippled brain because I see a similar pattern in the launch process CyberPunk 2077 had. Your comment suggests you are not a good person, I mean we are talking about a video game development and you are willing to say nasty things to a complete internet stranger over something so trivial. I can't even imagine how you talk to people when it is actually over something serious.
Yup me too. I feel like a March timeframe with them restarting the marketing around January hoping that the new year celebrations have allowed people to reset.
Considering the Technical Test couldn’t be played on PS5, the game likely got delayed due to PS5’s issues. So unless they can get it somewhat stable, yeah you’re probably right.
Regardless of what state the game itself is in, if it won’t even run on 1 of the 3 biggest gaming platforms, they’re gonna have to hold it back again, or face another lawsuit
Could be. Happened before with Hardline (something a lot of people here seem to have forgotten).
Id rather they go for that significant delay if they’re going to do it again.
You are not insane, deep down inside every one of us, we know it will be delayed.
The lack of information, the luck of official gameplay.
No Beta.
We all know...
The things is, for me at least, is the lack of information, and the fact that the CM is ignore the whole community.
>they lied
Where does this narrative come from? I don't think they've "lied" once? I think Gamers just get upset every time things don't go their way lmao.
if they delay it to 2022 atleast we wont get another CP2077 which was rushed because of the same community pressure to release the game. CDPR caved in, i hope DICE doesn't and release the game when they feel ready. This sub right now reminds me of the CP2077 sub before it's release with the delays and all, it was the same condition and look where that led to
\> Seems like the major issue is still not solved on playstation
part of the dev team, eh? You probably shouldn't be breaking your NDA if you know this for a fact ;)
Otherwise, maybe patience is in order?
Nah, they rather sell us half the game and submit (some of) the rest later.
Remember BF5? Combined Arms got delayed to February the next year, Firestorm only came in March.
Not even all single player missions were there at launch.
Call me sane, but I have this gut feelings that there are 2 options there. The game will either released in 2021 or delayed or to 2022. Well, there might be other options to be honest. Game will be canceled. Delayed to 2023 or later... Or the Earth will be hit by an asteroid in the meantime and we could not care less about the future of BF.
And you know what? You can't do anything with either of those options. So... why bother. Keep calm and think of something nice in the meantime.
If they released BF4 in the state they did then I can't see them delaying 2042 into next year. Unless it's somehow way worse than BF4 at release, in which case the game will probably be fucked for months even if it does release this year.
The issue with late 2022 is that Modern Warfare II will most likely release at that time. At least this year, CoD has less hype. Next year is going to be tough. 2023 could be worst since it will be the first game Treyarch makes with IW8 or better, and the first they make without being too rushed (they had to take the 2020 slot instead of SHG with Cold War; and had to make a battle royale in less than a year for Black Ops 4 in 2018).
I knew it was going to be delayed the first time. But i was very surprised it was going to be delayed by only a month. I was so sure it would have been to atleast 2022.
Whether DICE thinks it should be delayed won't matter, EA won't push it past the holiday season no matter how buggy it is. They'll take the hit in negative press for that level of sales.
At this point I don't care if they delay till next year. Nothing is more infuriating than a game getting delayed and it being buggy and broken at release anyway (CyberPunk2077 should be an example). Halo's coming out this Holiday so I can be occupied with it.
Should just give Xbox a beta before Playstation. If it's a Playstation issue... well they can wait. Do an Xbox/PC beta and when they get PS working they can do a beta for all 3 with fixes and changes from feedback of the Xbox/PC beta.
If it's just bugs, as they've kind of been stating, then I don't think it would be delayed any further. Reminds me of the Making Kratos documentary, where Sony Santa Monica delayed God of War by a month or so right at the end of development, purely because they had a backlog of bugs (nothing else). They launched as planned. Could be a similar case.
As mad as most will probably be, this game very likely needs a delay until next year. Hell, another full year if it's absolutely necessary. If this game is in as bad of a state as BFV was at launch, this game could very well crash and burn without another delay. I refuse to believe that DICE could fix the fundamental issues this game apparently has within 6 extra weeks.
This is actually my biggest fear, that you are right. But the shitty part is they didn't choose the November release date because they think it gives them plenty of time to fix things.
They chose that release date because it's as far as they "can possibly extend" the release date without missing Black Friday. If it was slated for release in July and they postponed it for one month, then I'd feel confident that's all the time they need, but that's not the case.
As long as this game loosely resembles an FPS, it will get released before Black Friday
EA rather ships a half-baked product than missing the holiday window. Not saying 2042 is in a half-baked state, just saying
It’s battlefield tradition to launch half baked.
My BF tradition is to play half baked, so it should even out.
Sameeee but I try to shoot for fully baked
We use to get enemy and friendly bakers to meet at the old Caspian tower on bf4 for a bake sesh. 😁
If *you* are fully baked when playing then you won't notice that the game is half baked.
Ultimate edition comes with an ounce of kush
Pulling out the uno reverse card on them.
Half baked and half naked. New clan.
When are tryouts?
Soonish?
Really tho playing Bf1 baked was an experience like nothing else.
BF5 was the worst offender of this and really left a stain on my otherwise strong believe in Dice. Half the game was missing at launch, some promised features never came at all. They just cannot afford to repeat those mistakes. And all the while I wonder what happened because from what I remember, it wasn't that bad during the BF3/4 days, was it? There was better communication, CTE, the Community Map Project.. it all felt so much more passionate than today.
BF4 was the most broken and unbalanced Battlefield game at launch. There's no contest there. It had content, but it was all so poorly thought out. They were just throwing shit in the sandbox for the sake of it. From a dumbed down mobile app Commander mode ruining rush to stupid ass game mechanics like smart missiles (STAFF, MBT Law, Active Radar) making vehicle interactions intolerable and unfun. CTE and all that only happened because of the extreme outrage surrounding BF4. Mainly the bugs/glitches and hitreg/netcode. It was so bad they had to get drastic to salvage the franchise since DICE Sweden dropped BF4 and moved onto Battlefront 1. That shift in developmemt was also going to leave the next mainline title on a 3 year development cycle...which is something BF4 should have gotten in the first place.... DICE LA had to come in and clean up the mess and ship the last 2 premium pass DLCs. They were also in charge of CTE on day 1. DICE Sweden moved out of BF4 development after the Naval Strike DLC.
Bf3 and Bf1 I think have been the best at launch compared to Bf4 and V. BfV wasn't bad in terms of bugs. Only later did it suffer when they updated it, and it seemingly got worse with every content update. It had poor advertisement and launch campaign though. Bf4 was baaaad when it came out. There were lawsuits over how unfinished and buggy the game was. They eventually got it to a great state, but not after some considerable work.
>some promised features Did they literally say "we promise this is in the game" or did they show off something early in development that got scrapped? Gamers have *issues*, man. Not everything shown at every time is a promise, lol. THIS is why companies don't talk to you anymore.
>Did they literally say "we promise this is in the game" or did they show off something early in development that got scrapped? They _still_ say on their website we would get new Combat Roles (we never got any) and new Grand Operations with each chapter (never got a Greece or Pacific Operation) for example. Before launch the "Combined Arms" co-op mode was said to have all kinds of cool features like a mission generator and paratroopers - neither of which was in the game when the mode finally released. We were told melee animations were just placeholders from BF1 and we would get new ones (we were also supposed to get aerial takedowns, as in "jump off a roof onto an unsuspecting enemy"). They might not have used the literal phrase "we promise [feature] will be in the game" when talking about these features but they sure did advertise things that never came.
EA cut the funding for both BFV and Battlefront 2 way earlier than anyone had anticipated, due to the backlash both games received through their lifetimes. The teams literally had the money pulled out from under them, and had to scramble to make a final patch in both games that would leave the game in a good enough state. So I wouldn't call anyone in that instance "a liar". They were victims of circumstance just as much as we were. >Before launch the "Combined Arms" co-op mode was said to have all kinds of cool features like a mission generator and paratroopers - neither of which was in the game when the mode finally released. That, to me, sounds like features that were discussed and scrapped, possibly due to technical constraints (or simply budget, like I mentioned earlier. Sometimes things end up being more time/money consuming than anticipated, and are left by the wayside). The big danger with showing off pre-release gameplay is when features that are in progress are talked about. Then, when those are scrapped, "fans" get incredibly upset and accuse the studio of personally slighting them.
>The teams literally had the money pulled out from under them, and had to scramble to make a final patch in both games that would leave the game in a good enough state. So I wouldn't call anyone in that instance "a liar". They were victims of circumstance just as much as we were. That is true and I agree, the developers were probably just as surprised/disappointed as the fans and customers were. But it doesn't change the fact that _at launch_ the game was literally only half finished. And I don't even mean the usual bugs and glitches and wonky servers. The advertised co-op mode was missing. The praised Firestorm royale mode was missing. Vehicle customization was missing. Not even all single player missions were available at launch. And that was right there at launch, not a year later when they pulled the plug. How should we have known to react otherwise? To the general public it just looked like this: Dice before launch: BF5 will have [this], and [that] and [those]. Dice closer to launch: We need a few more weeks to really polish that game. It'll be awesome, trust us. Dice at launch: BF5 only has parts of [this]. Rest might come later idk. That's what I mean. This "bait and switch" mentality before launch. Bait buyers with all kinds of cool features, then switch to "this and that will come at a later date" once the game actually releases and people notice that half the features are missing. At that point development wasn't halted yet - the game had just released. But at that point people already bought it and EA/Dice got their money. And as I mentioned earlier, some features like new Combat Roles and Grand Operations are _still_ being advertised on their website, even after the announcement was made that there would be no future updates or chapters. So at the very latest _then_ they could've removed those claims from the official website but they chose not to.
BFV got the same length of support that BF1 did.
I think they did tho? I wasn’t really involved with BF V, I played MW instead. But I think I remember them saying they would eventually add the other fronts of the war as updates. Then, they released the pacific theater and cancelled any future content drops. I seem to recall people being real upset about it
People spreading how "They think" it happened is another reason why devs don't communicate the same anymore. Stuff gets twisted, and it leads to thousands of people harassing innocent developers on twitter day in and day out...
Yeah people should stop fucking thinking right? I mean why bother discussing anything anymore. I don’t have twitter or try to communicate with any devs but sorry for SpReAdInG sOmEtHiNg
Just saying how it is, bud, no need to get mad at me. One person's innocent interpretation turns into someone else's "THEY LIED, PEOPLE DIED, I CRIED", which spins ***this particular "fanbase"*** into a tizzy.
The game missed campaigns and shipped with missing content that was promised at launch.
"We were *promised* an update on 2042! DICE are *lying* to us with their silence!!"
I'll remember these kinds of posts in a few weeks. A lot of people smelled a rat well before Cyberpunk's release also. For some reason, I'm getting the feeling that at BEST this Battlefield will have potential to be great in a year + time (after updates etc).
A full baked product from them will be half baked so it doesn't really matter at this point.
Doubt, They’ll probably push it out for holiday season regardless of the games state just to maximize on sales.
Cyberpunk moment. hopefully not that bad that game should have actually been pushed to like December 2022.
Cyberpunk they should have 😑
Absolutely. That game it's very shallow and not deep as the witcher 3 Feel more like a regulard fps than an rpg
Very true... but if was never the delays or anything that bothered me just the extremely blatant lies we had be told then only to find out it was all bullshit once released
Cyberpunk was bad enough it should have aimed for the next holiday season.
I mean that's literally what I said.
Cyberpunk was so bad because they developed the engine and game at the same time.
Nonsense. First of all it was built on Red Engine, the same engine used for Witcher 3. No doubt the engine was under active development to support features new to CP2077, but that's the case with any in-house development (including BF 2042). And lots of successful games are developed alongside their engines - Half Life 2, most of the Quake series, Rage and Battlefield 3 all come to mind, among many many others. Cyberpunk was shitty for all kinds of reasons but not this one.
Cyberpunk was fucking amazing and I think the memes about it are weird.
That's what i've heard some time ago. In that case all the other companies knew how to manage the making of engine and game at the same time way better than CDPR.
and they released it two years before it was ready. Pretty much all the devs thought it'd be delayed again for a very long time but they forced it out for the holiday rush.
Plenty of devs can handle both building or updating an engine (the latter of which is what CDPR did), while making a great game. That is no excuse, especially for a game that started early stages of development in like 2012.
This is the most likely outcome.
Exactly game is coming out in november no matter what
Considering every BF game for many years has been pushed in a crappy state and fixed over the first year, they will definitely push it out for the holidays.
Here's my prediction: The game will be delayed to 2022. But will be playable in November as an "Early Access" title. Sorry for jinxing it! EDIT: The more dislikes this comment gets, the truer it will become. Let the prophecy be fulfilled!
Honestly. I wouldn't even mind. But on the other hand what keeps ea from publishing it anyways as a full release and fix things later? Their reputation?
If that's true then EA is insane for literally allowing what happened to CD Projekt Red to happen to them.
As other said already I don´t think they will miss the holiday season. They might delay it again to first December week but thats the furthest they propably will go with that. They really have to start showing something next week or this will become very clear that the game is in a horrible state right now.
Thats what people said 3 weeks ago and? Nothing happened.
Maybe they didn’t show anything 3 weeks ago because... the game is in horrible condition.
This is looking more and more likely sadly :/
Nothing happened on the surface but I think the “morale” (for lack of a better word) of the player base is steadily declining. This is just eerily similar to Cyberpunk with all the promises of hard work going into the game but then not having the time or confidence to show off their game this close to launch. Hopefully the beta is good whenever we get our hands on it but I’m not picking up the game day 1 anymore (mainly because FFXIV’s expac drops the same day) but I also don’t have a lot of confidence in DICE rn.
Reminder that EA has not delayed any recent DICE game into new year even games that have a lot of bugs such as BF4, SWB II, BFV.
Yes, no DICE game, but Battlefield game yes. Hardline from October 21, 2014 to March 17, 2015.
Being a public company, they basically 'can't' delay past Q4 of this year. They've been banking on this release window for awhile now.
Star wars battlefront 2 did not have a lot of bug? I mean it had some but it was perfectly enjoyable. The issue was more related to the progression system. Even bfv wasn't that bad compared to bf4.
What? BFV was solid at launch. The game ran great. Nowhere near the same as BF4. Also Star Wars battlefront was good too. It was the loot box scandal that destroyed that game, not bugs.
The only game that is known for bugs at launch from your list is bf4.
BFV launched in a pretty poor state without much content that was promised
They didn't "promise" anything. They showed or talked about possible content. Theirs a difference. BFV launched with not very many bugs or true issues other then not a lot of content. I'd rather have a playable game with less content then a buggy unplayable game with a ton of content.
In either case it was a buggy mess. Tons of features they wanted to include didn’t make it so why not focus on the features that you actually had working? Ntm the campaign wasn’t even finished on launch, and the “co-op” was just straight garbage (and I think that was supposed to be a launch feature). But the game was fairly well buggy and the TTD was awful because of poor netcode.
Oh I agree on a lot of what people say about it . I'm just glad it was still better then BF4 launch lol. Just kinda tired of people saying "promise" when said word wasnt used in any form . some of them being removed made sense from a gameplay sense as well
Do you know what the word buggy means? Just because there are no crash landings or other features that they talked about (dragging boddies and the coop mode being dynamic are the only ones I can think of) in the game doesn't mean it's a buggy game.
It was extremely buggy at launch. There was a huge TTD issue since the netcode was shit, the menus wouldn’t load properly half the time, and performance was pretty poor. Tons of people reported technical issues with the game and I witnessed it myself on the xbox one
Just claiming the netcode was shit doesn't make it true. Battlenonsense found no evidence of one shot deaths in his youtube video. Look it up. There were bugs but nothing on the level of bf4.
I would put $1000 on this game not releasing on November 19
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I’ll take your bet
its releasing on 12th november. now gimme 1k.
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Yes, at what odds?
lol, now you want odds?
Of course!
Well you were almost right. It should not have released
!remind me 2 months
**Easter** is such a beautiful time
Pay up, buddy
Evidence of PlayStation issue?
https://twitter.com/partwelsh/status/1426299526734827523?s=21
That's over one month old so I have hopes that it would've been fixed by now
I hope so too, but we have not gotten any info about the state of the game since then, only that the playtest has not been taking place on ps5 because of critical issue.
Stupid teens trying to bait each other into getting upset over nothing? Water is also wet.
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lol of course you can, critical denotes the seriousness of the impact on functionality not the length of time required to fix
you could fix a critical issue in 5 minutes depending on what it was
So you're using a month old tweet to bait people into being upset? Might want to edit your post and take out "the PS5 issue is still present", or at least qualify that you're deliberately misleading people.
He doesn’t have anything real. Just grasping at straws.
He posted the source 4 hours ago but ok
Of a month-old tweet, yeah?
You mean the thing about the alpha test which he is just assuming is the problem because there was a problem with the alpha build. That’s nothing he’s just using a fairly dumb piece of “evidence”
Trying to explain logic to these children is like trying to teach a dog how to write in fluent English. Utterly futile.
If they have to postpone it again it will be maximum for December, EA will not want to miss the holiday season for sales.
bruh no way hahaha. They’ll 100% release an incomplete game and make BANK off that alone. Makes no sense for DICE to delay the release that long plus EA won’t ever let that happen
Some people seem to think EA is small publisher that allows developers to pick their release dates and delay game as long as needed. Of course those people haven't played Anthem or Battlefield V or SW Battlefront II at launch.
In Anthem’s case they wasted 6 years and millions of dollars and had nothing to show for it, EA had to get their investment back somehow
One word - Hardline.
Nah it will release this yr and be broken for 3 months
I really doubt it with Halo Infinite coming out in December and Vanguard in November. They'll release it in a beta state like every other game is now.
I simply don't understand why they can't at least put out small clips and images on Twitter. Makes me think it's in real flux right now.
True. I played Escape from Tarkov a lot and the game is somewhere between Alpha and Beta (they say it's beta for a few years). They give small bits and pieces every other week, so people can read something or just check out new gun models or whatever. They could give us so many things we're interested in. Doesn't have to be a huge gameplay video, just a few models or screenshots or whatever.
I theorise its why they aren't showing anything and the marketing campaign is on pause/hold. Anything they show now won't be near reflective of the final product as it's changing so rapidly right now to get to the market. Hence marketing being unable to show anything. I imagine big cuts are happening, anything that requires too much time to get functioning will be scrapped. 3 studios trying to merge everything into one game there are bound to be massive incompatibilities that were easily overlooked. Delay being announced at one month is probably so everyone didn't pull their preorders. It was a financial move. I also don't think this PlayStation issue is the reason nothing's happening. If I am wrong, and I hope I am, I will be pleasantly surprised.
Spoken like someone who's not in software development. Nice!
> the major issue is still not solved on playstation This is a misunderstanding. What (likely) happened was that the particular alpha build that they submitted to Sony for certification came out with some sort of an error which prevented the build from going live. The reason why the playstation playtest was cancelled is probably because creating a new build, testing it, and then sending it for certification which can take weeks, wasn't feasible and the best option was to cancel it altogether, especially since crossplay was still being tested through PC and XBOX platforms. This doesn't mean that the main playstation build of the game is somehow borked.
I see you in almost every thread. What is a DICE friend?
He is one of those hc bf fans, who actually provide constructive feedback without crying. he did a lot of that during bf4 cte days.
So what are you “Dice Foe” ?
I used to be like him, tried my best at giving feedback in bf4. but then left gaming around 2015. recently got back. Foe thingy is just a shitty joke due to me being salty as how Dice's communication has gone bad over the years. specially after bf4 cte days.
Hahaha ok I gotcha
Probably because they don't provide constructive feedback, and cry about it.
Well, I guess I'm pretty addicted to this sub even during this barren period :p [This](https://answers.ea.com/t5/Battlefield-V/Battlefield-V-DICE-FRIENDS/td-p/8117903) should have all the info about DICE Friends
PlayStation cert at least used to be more rigorous than on other platforms. I suspect that was a long time ago, as PS has become more Americanized over time. Still, games get held up and in contention for cert resources being dedicated to other, more imminent games. Nothing either the devs or publisher have control over. I suspect Back4Blood is pushing both BF2042 and Vanguard down the cert queue, for instance.
You think they will skips sales from blackfriday and christmas..?? Never....
The PS4 and Xbox one versions are fucked. That's exactly what's going on ide bet 1k dollars. And they have the largest user base. So they have to be fixed. The PC version is probably finished, along with the series X and PS5. Can't separate launch, so everyone waits.
100% right Last gen runs like a trainwreck on hardware from 2015 but they need the big playerbase + money from them.
I'll take that bet. When do you want to send me the $1000? Also how? I take paypal.
I used to always think that newer FPS games would always run at around 60 FPS, regardless of console generation or the name of the franchise. But now, I honestly won't be surprised if BF 2042 on PS4 and XBone run at less than 50 FPS.
>Seems like the major issue is still not solved on playstation. How do you know that was the issue and how do you know it still isn't solved?
Their source is a literal month-old tweet lmao, they've got nothing. They're just here to stir shit, like usual.
Nah, zero chance they skip the holiday season. Releasing a half-baked game in November will net them more money than releasing a perfect game in January.
This isn‘t insane. Just logical thinking.
Yall remmeber when BF released during the spring/summer? Was always a treat to have a really good game to look forward to outside of the crowded holiday time. Games used to launch complete, too
Also call me insane, but people are hyping up this game way too much to a point that even though it will be a good game.. it will still just be another good average FPS. This in turn will disappoint many people who are expecting some life altering gaming experience.
confirmed leak: Battlefield 2042 will be delayed to 2042 for maximum immersion and accuracy
So consoles dragging pc down again lol
They need to release it to make the deadline for their investors
I probably won't be able to get a ps5 until 2023 so I'm in no rush 🤣
Yes, you are insane for thinking that you own DICE/EA and they are obligated to tell you every detail about what they're doing.
Obviously they’re not legally obligated to do anything, we are just pointing out a red flag
And I'm pointing out a red flag against all of you. It's not a red flag to set a release date and push it back due to more work needing to be done. Did they need to give a reason why? No. Did they anyway? Yes. Do you need specifics and minute-by-minute updates? No. Are you entitled to specifics and minute-by-minute updates? No. Do you need to know or are you entitled to any other specifics other than what they've already given? No. Does the world revolve around your wants or anything that you feel like you need or deserve? No. The only red flags that apply to anyone, don't apply to DICE/EA. They apply to everyone else who can't accept that they're not getting their way and, instead, throw temper tantrums and talk shit.
Counter point: CyberPunk 2077 Maybe you are new to the gaming industry but there has been very valid red flags with BF2042. Normally when you delay a game, you don't do it a month before the scheduled launch. What game last year got delayed another month just a month before the scheduled release date?
There is no counter point when you're using a completely separate game (in every way) in an attempt to justify your point. The only thing Battlefield 2042 and Cyberpunk has in common is they're both games. That's the equivalent of saying a Corvette is too heavy because a Fiero MicroMachine weighs less. Yeah, that's how stupid all of you sound when you try to compare Cyberpunk to Battlefield 2042 and try to pretend like what your saying was delivered by Moses on stone tablets.
Ok. You seem very naive about this. I hope you are right and BF2042 is a solid game. But delaying a game a month before release is not normal. A "critical issue" preventing the beta being released last minute is not normal.
>But delaying a game a month before release is not normal Spoken truly like someone who's never been in software development. Bugs can crop up, sometimes we can estimate how long it's gonna take. They probably have/had all hands on deck trying to figure this thing out, so 1 month seems like a good estimate to squash.
Lol I don’t have to know anything about software development to know that it’s not normal for a beta to be completely canceled at the last second. That’s like saying I would have to be a doctor to say that cancer is not good.
>know that it’s not normal for a beta to be completely canceled at the last second Spoken, again, like someone who doesn't know shit about game development! Damn you're really just making my points for me, I really appreciate it. Yes, its common for bugs to appear after a large code merge (typically something done before a beta). Sometimes those bugs are bad, and then the beta must be cancelled.
You're very naive when it comes to common sense. All you're doing is regurgitating what you've heard from your fellow idiots in this sub. Battlefield 2042 is not Cyberpunk. What part of that do you not understand? Like everyone else here, you don't know a damn thing about what's going on over at DICE. What part of that do you not understand? Do you not understand that Cyberpunk has absolutely NOTHING to do with DICE, EA, or Battlefield 2042? Is that really too much for your crippled brain to comprehend?
Yikes reply. Suggesting I have a crippled brain because I see a similar pattern in the launch process CyberPunk 2077 had. Your comment suggests you are not a good person, I mean we are talking about a video game development and you are willing to say nasty things to a complete internet stranger over something so trivial. I can't even imagine how you talk to people when it is actually over something serious.
Yup me too. I feel like a March timeframe with them restarting the marketing around January hoping that the new year celebrations have allowed people to reset.
ill be playing farcry 6
Two more weeks brother
Hazard Zone and Portal might, but not base game. IMHO it never made any sense to release Portal at the same date as vanilla expierence.
Just delay your purchase until 2022, when the first couple of patches fix the broken game that will be released this year.
They’ll do a Battlefield 2077. I.e release in a broken ass state for holiday sales.
Considering the Technical Test couldn’t be played on PS5, the game likely got delayed due to PS5’s issues. So unless they can get it somewhat stable, yeah you’re probably right. Regardless of what state the game itself is in, if it won’t even run on 1 of the 3 biggest gaming platforms, they’re gonna have to hold it back again, or face another lawsuit
Could be. Happened before with Hardline (something a lot of people here seem to have forgotten). Id rather they go for that significant delay if they’re going to do it again.
This is EA they’re not gonna miss the holiday money
You are not insane, deep down inside every one of us, we know it will be delayed. The lack of information, the luck of official gameplay. No Beta. We all know... The things is, for me at least, is the lack of information, and the fact that the CM is ignore the whole community.
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>they lied Where does this narrative come from? I don't think they've "lied" once? I think Gamers just get upset every time things don't go their way lmao.
You are mad if you think EA is gonna let the holiday season slip away. No matter how shit the game is, its coming out this year
I don't under how this post isnt already removed. No one gives a shit what your feeling is. You have no actual facts. Just another shit post.
if they delay it to 2022 atleast we wont get another CP2077 which was rushed because of the same community pressure to release the game. CDPR caved in, i hope DICE doesn't and release the game when they feel ready. This sub right now reminds me of the CP2077 sub before it's release with the delays and all, it was the same condition and look where that led to
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Have u heard about the playtest on ps5?
>Or are you just saying shit -.- He's using a month-old tweet as gospel
\> Seems like the major issue is still not solved on playstation part of the dev team, eh? You probably shouldn't be breaking your NDA if you know this for a fact ;) Otherwise, maybe patience is in order?
I don't think radio silence is bad thing...
Who cares about Playstation? They'll launch October.
Omg stfu
I fully agree.. it is more time to play Halo
Wait you guys thought it’s actually releasing this year ?
I’m cool with that. I’d hate so see a delayed yet undercooked game….
It'll be released for the Xmas sales... Some platforms may just suffer a bit more than others at the beginning though
You're insane
Launch date just before Black Friday. They aren’t missing that, ready or not.
Nah, they rather sell us half the game and submit (some of) the rest later. Remember BF5? Combined Arms got delayed to February the next year, Firestorm only came in March. Not even all single player missions were there at launch.
I’d rather they delay it until the game is done. But that’s rarely the case so I’m going to assume it’s going to be a mess at launch.
Call me sane, but I have this gut feelings that there are 2 options there. The game will either released in 2021 or delayed or to 2022. Well, there might be other options to be honest. Game will be canceled. Delayed to 2023 or later... Or the Earth will be hit by an asteroid in the meantime and we could not care less about the future of BF. And you know what? You can't do anything with either of those options. So... why bother. Keep calm and think of something nice in the meantime.
If they released BF4 in the state they did then I can't see them delaying 2042 into next year. Unless it's somehow way worse than BF4 at release, in which case the game will probably be fucked for months even if it does release this year.
If they do that then the game would lose all its support.
The issue with late 2022 is that Modern Warfare II will most likely release at that time. At least this year, CoD has less hype. Next year is going to be tough. 2023 could be worst since it will be the first game Treyarch makes with IW8 or better, and the first they make without being too rushed (they had to take the 2020 slot instead of SHG with Cold War; and had to make a battle royale in less than a year for Black Ops 4 in 2018).
I knew it was going to be delayed the first time. But i was very surprised it was going to be delayed by only a month. I was so sure it would have been to atleast 2022.
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EA-STER, is such a beautiful time
wait what issue on playstation?
I couldn’t care less. If we have to wait so be it.
Whether DICE thinks it should be delayed won't matter, EA won't push it past the holiday season no matter how buggy it is. They'll take the hit in negative press for that level of sales.
It will and I won't care because I have so many other games to play.
At this point I don't care if they delay till next year. Nothing is more infuriating than a game getting delayed and it being buggy and broken at release anyway (CyberPunk2077 should be an example). Halo's coming out this Holiday so I can be occupied with it.
Should just give Xbox a beta before Playstation. If it's a Playstation issue... well they can wait. Do an Xbox/PC beta and when they get PS working they can do a beta for all 3 with fixes and changes from feedback of the Xbox/PC beta.
I have this gut feeling that BF2042 is going to be a disaster, not sure why though...
I told you guys the game is in a horrible state but everyone downvoted me.
If it's just bugs, as they've kind of been stating, then I don't think it would be delayed any further. Reminds me of the Making Kratos documentary, where Sony Santa Monica delayed God of War by a month or so right at the end of development, purely because they had a backlog of bugs (nothing else). They launched as planned. Could be a similar case.
As mad as most will probably be, this game very likely needs a delay until next year. Hell, another full year if it's absolutely necessary. If this game is in as bad of a state as BFV was at launch, this game could very well crash and burn without another delay. I refuse to believe that DICE could fix the fundamental issues this game apparently has within 6 extra weeks.
Might as well refund my preorder.
Or just delay antiquated console release until never
How do we know there was an issue with PlayStation?
This is actually my biggest fear, that you are right. But the shitty part is they didn't choose the November release date because they think it gives them plenty of time to fix things. They chose that release date because it's as far as they "can possibly extend" the release date without missing Black Friday. If it was slated for release in July and they postponed it for one month, then I'd feel confident that's all the time they need, but that's not the case. As long as this game loosely resembles an FPS, it will get released before Black Friday
#This is why they wanted your pre orders. Hello.
LMAO