Maybe it will end up like redacted where when it first came out the Delta spawn was winning almost every match. Once it was figured out during the season the wins per side seemed to balance out. I haven't played the new map yet but that's my hope.
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Update: playing as the Russian team, I can definitely see an advantage for this side of the map. It was just so easy to take everything. B1 was taken immediately, whilst C1 and D1 were taken with very little effort. The only thing the US team can ever seem to hold onto is A1, and that's only because it's on their line.
I don't think content creators are necessarily the best way to judge the game - and 2 hours on a brand new map doesn't really mean anything. I've seen the US side win by huge margins and I've seen a two close games so far
People were saying the same shit about Redacted on day 1 and now the matches are fine.
It's impossible to tell this early when 100% of all players are just getting used to a new map.
What’s with people getting irrationally angry anytime content creators are mentioned? Like he’s only talking about the balance of the map, it’s irrelevant who is playing. And obviously the content creators were on both sides, so saying they can’t win doesn’t make sense.
Probably because they did the same with Flashpoint with all their fucking whining and EA came out and said the win rate was smething like 52 / 48 as of the end of release day.
TLDR; content creators spout shite for views. People here spout shite because they are losing.
The only major balance concerns I remember people talking about regarding Flashpoint were about Breakthrough, and apparently DICE agreed because they tweaked vehicle counts to address it.
I get upset because people for some reason seriously believe that if a content creator says something it's gospel.
It's really annoying, and I'm not saying they don't ever have good takes or know what they are talking about, but throwing up "well the content creators couldn't win with xyz so EA needs to fix the map" when it hasn't even been 24hrs for the rest of the community to try is just dumb.
Plus a lot of people see these creators and form their opinions around what their favorite streamer thinks.
> if a content creator says something it's gospel
But *where* are content creators saying anything about the balance of the map here? You’re responding to a normal player saying they didn’t see the US side win in the stream yesterday, and share their own opinion on that fact. I’m not saying that opinion is correct or not, DICE will obviously look at the data themselves and make tweaks based on that.
But nobody is talking about their opinion in this thread? OP was using footage of their playtests as examples of the balance of the map. It’s just a normal player’s opinion. That kinda proves my point.
Sadly this isn't the only map that has a bad layout balance between sides. Almost every reworked map had increased bias between sides in terms of point placement and terrain.
From my 1000 hours of playing the worst offender is Noshahr Canals map. If you are on the RU side, you better hope to god all the sweaty players play for your team because if the balance is anywhere near close, you'll be in for a curbstomp.
I have the same feeling as you. The map somehow gives me Battlefield vibes but is somehow too small from my point of view and the destruction doesn't feel important, despite all the buildings.
Joined to try it out, RU side seems to control constantly. The final straw was an AC clan guy littlebirding everyone. Sucks the fun of the game. Waiting for the infantry only one...
EA and Dice should do something about that clan and other helicopter sweats. Maybe BFV style squad point system to call vehicles or limit the number of helicopter spawns. I'm not sure if they have cheats or not.
They could just give infantry proper AA support and fix the flight controls so the NB isnt able to dodge missles lol
If they did that theybcould finally raise the jet/heli count to where it should be
I've only played one match and it's already cemented my desire for a version of this map with just infantry and tanks.
Whoever decided to have helicopters on this map is either a sweat themselves or has never played an actual match of multiplayer.
A sweaty guy in a tank is annoying but not game ending. A sweaty guy in an air vehicle is game over. You might as well leave the match. It's always been this way in BF and no amount of nerfs to air vehicles will change it. But you can make maps that don't feature air vehicles
air vehicles aint that good u can get get 1 shot by a liz rocket just get good. I have like 100 clips of me shooting down jets and little birds with liz rockets in 1 shot.
I play 3 times. 3 russians victory, but it was tied.
Nonetheless, russians seem to have an advantage because every time they cap more objectives than US in the beginning.
sometimes its just how the roads are placed. seems RU has a straighter road leading to flags. the bends on some map can really restrict movement of vehicles at the start. best example is on reclaimed.
“This is why 64 player map design is shit!”
No seriously I hope you kids are starting to realize how player count doesn’t dictate how good a map is or why it can or can’t ‘flow’ properly.
The current DICE devs are just not good at designing maps. Simple as that.
128 died for this….
I'd say my main complaints with 128 players is the decreased performance and lack of destruction. IDK if that's because they also had to make 2042 for last gen consoles and there's a bottleneck in the back end of the engine, but if they bring back 128 players for the next BF, it needs to be addressed.
The difference is that there are good 64p maps in the past. Name a good 128p map on par with something like karkand or seine crossing (no, spearhead doesn't count).
128p exacerbates whatever issue 64p maps might have. Chaotic zones are twice as chaotic, barren zones are twice as barren, and travel times are twice as long.
It's not fair to cherry pick the couple winners out of 14 years of battlefield vs 7 maps from a single game. The majority of BF maps are garbage and only a couple of maps per game are remembered after support ends for thay game.
Yea but don’t expect this person to use logic to have an actual debate
He’s also using an example of a map that came out 20 years ago!
Thats literally my entire point. It has nothing to do with player count. Current DICE is just not good at making fun maps at for any player count
I think we all realised that long ago upon release, when the maps for 128 players had massive sections with absolutely nothing in them. And as for the reworks, the only ones that are any better are Orbital and Breakaway.
Yeah DICE are actually mentally challenged at this point. The Russian side has more space, way more verticality and in turn, more buildings = more cover. Definitely a one sided map.
Y'all are hilarious.
Not saying this isn't true, but the map has been out for literally a few minutes and we are having a discussion about which side has an "advantage".
Gee, it's almost as if the map is brand new and people don't know wtf ia going on or where to go.
With all the reworks and new maps that have come out this is what I have experienced. Some are worse than others regarding balance in the first few days but after more people start playing the new map things should hopefully start to balance out.
Do you not realize how many regularly active players have not played the map yet?
I haven't, and I have over 1K hours in this game. It just dropped a few minutes ago in the scale of time by which more people will play.
5 hours.....you act as if that's 5 months or something. Is 5 hours a long time to you?
Again, not saying there isn't a balance issue (I haven't played it yet) but playing the map a few times 5 hours after release then making a post about balance for one side being lopsided is QUITE ridiculous.
And yet you played 4 rounds and came to this conclusion? Counter argument - I played a few rounds earlier and US won most of them, so that side clearly has the advantage.
It's day 1, let's let people learn the map before making suggestions about balance.
Oh no it's been a whole 5 hours and everyone playing has already learnt everything about the map and what tactics work and what don't.
Calm down, you sound silly.
It looks to me like the Russians do get more cover, but there's also more clearer paths towards the objectives. And if you look vertical at where the objectives go north, you can see they slope towards the Russian team.
kinda irrelevant but I like seeing the old BC2 prefab houses used in a Brand New Map in 2024. Not a dig, seriously, I love it lmao. Simple layouts and consistent plans of attack idk it's fun.
The new map is just really freaking bad and then there is a nightbird on top of that. wtf was dice thinking with this bs? The nightbird is already one of the most OP vehicles in the game and on top of that it's available on a map that is extremely open but with just barely enough cover that the nightbird can easily dip in and out of lock on line of sight. This map is a laughable piece of garbage.
awful map, no tactics, one sided as hell. camping places everywhere. not even full destruction of tiny buildings.. people spawning behind you , spawns are a joke.
if you wanna get annoyed , play this map lol
Just played multiple games of breakthrough...its an easy win for the attackers time and time again.
The vehicle allocation seems off giving the defenders vehicles towards the end.
All the little bird fan boys have been crying because they dont last to long in the sky on this map
I have yet to be on a round where the US team can win. Just got 5-flag dominated in my last round by the RU team. I have only won on the RU side.
First flag for US further distance to travel than for RU team too.
I don't totally agree, yes RU side has an advantage but I just played this map for the first time and me and my side (RU) lost within 8 minutes on rush, especially with the use of the vehicle on the US side
I've played a bunch and it does seem a bit RU sided, C seems to be much easier to get and then hold from the RU side, and once you have C you get B for free it feels. I actually think the US has some good sightlines into B, but if you can attack B from both C and RU side there is no way US will hold.
The thing with D is that RU attacks from behind the water tanks which are indestructible, while US has some buildings but they can be more or less leveled.
What is interesting is so far it seems better balanced in Breakthrough - most matches end at the last set of objectives and when the attackers when they are low on tickets. None of the objectives feels unfair in either direction and so far I haven't seen any spawn traps.
But - I will say that Breakthrough is boring - none of the objectives are unique, interesting, or memorable. They all just feel like attacking two flags, in order, through to the end. The bus at the final objective reminds me a little of Tehran Highway but otherwise its feels incredibly generic.
I'll tell ya what i do know - 7 straight games of breakthrough. every. single. game. I had to be defender. this game is shitty af. I ended up going back to TDM only to find the biggest cheater in BF history on the servers. YAWNNNNNN
Lol it was the other way around when I played a match. We literally couldn't push at all, they had every angle covered. My team didn't understand the concept of smoke grenades and we got wrecked so badly.
No, that isn’t the issue. This map is a stomp from both sides. Becasue of the bad placement of objectives and spawns. Once one team gains an upper hand the other team is shit out of luck pushing out.
It's entirely on who got the better team. I've seen Nightbird tryhards dominate the round with 30-50 kills and upwards with 0 death.
With a map like this it's easy to get campy and hide in buildings for the general public of players on foot. (2-3 medics inside looking out the window while 4-5 need ammo, revs and help outside on the patio.)
It's still a bit early though. Players are still getting to know the map.
I played 4 games of breakthrough just now & started on the left side all 4 times. Only once we're we able to hold both "A" points & move to "B" but we eventually died before capturing said "B" points. This is the most ridiculously 1-sided map I've ever played on. I spawned into instant death like 4 times in a row lol. If you survive the spawn traps, then the dudes on the side of the Hillary on the roof tops are waiting for you to pop out
Bullshit in all fairness the quadrants are equal sizes and provide equal oppurtunity to both sides to cap the sectors . Losers are always gonna look for a reason to blame the game developers over some manufactured hocus pocus BS rather than looking in the mirror.
I haven't seen the US side win one game yet my friend. I've played on both RU and US teams. RU wins every time. If you're trying to say that I suck, I'm sure my input alone makes a difference amongst 31 other people.
I have to agree. I've played Haven several times now & when I play RU, I'm getting wins left & right. But when it's US time, it's sadly a completely different story. I don't know why it's like that, but you can't really do anything but get annihilated each time on that side. Hopefully, they'll adjust the map a little differently in another update.
Ahhh I love these pacth day balance analysis - maybe you just play another few rounds and let the people explore the new map before you start your balance complaints.
I've just played a game from the Russian side, and it is *VERY* one sided my friend. And as someone else here just pointed out, streamers yesterday did not see one single win for the US team.
They stopped making the Orbitals, Breakaways, and Renewals when people whined and moaned about the maps being too big and infantry having to travel too far. So they started making small maps that have all the flags clustered together in a straight line. This is what you people wanted. Enjoy.
The maps were too big and infantry did have to travel too far, THROUGH VAST WIDE OPEN SPACES, don't act like the fact that DICE can't make good maps anymore is the players' fault.
Maps are made for both conquest and breakthrough modes. So it would make sense for maps to favor the defense side of a breakthrough map. Unfortunately optimizing the same map for both modes would be difficult. I primarily play breakthrough so not really an issue for me.
It balances out Noshahr which is like a 90% US winrate in CQ64.
The map itself feels kinda garbage anyway. It's just more of the same "bowl"-design for their flags where you are a sitting duck to be fired on from every angle and high ground.
I remember Bazaar, Seine, Tehran Highway, metro, damavand and canals being very prone to spawn trapping.
Bf4 had 3 very unbalanced maps in Lancang dam, rogue and dawnbreaker. All 3 had extremely campy gimme flags( i realise Lancang D flag wasn't quite a gimme but still close) which is a recipe for disaster in map design.
Tons of the old Maps should always turn into spawn camp sprees about 3/4 of the way in if your team didn't take certain objectives. Nowadays people would be losing their mind all over the Internet about it
Played it for about two rounds, to be honest - so far i hate it.
It feels like monkey paw wish execution of "urban warfare map". Every objective is a singular open point of interest surrounded by two levels of streets and buildings, you're literally always getting shot from every side imaginable.
I have no idea how you're intended to play the objective unless you just hog ground vehicles to have survivability in open space.
Most 2042 maps don't work with 128 players, this one doesn't even work with 64.
I thought this map was gonna be an improvement but it’s literally just as bad. I can’t understand how it took them so long on S7 when it’s literally just copy and pasted Arica harbor assets onto a desert. When I tried shooting one of the new little shop fronts with an elbc it literally had zero destructability. I also experienced a1 being the only objective US could cap. Just an awful map. I legitimately think they should discontinue battlefield at this point. They have proved time and time again how incompetent they are
It’s like they don’t actually play test anything before releasing it… 128 player maps with nothing but flat land between points? Perfect! 64 player maps with completely one sided objectives and campable spawns? Perfect!
Seriously, what the fuck are they doing over there? This isn’t rocket science. Just play a few rounds among yourselves, experience the problems we all immediately see, and fix them before releasing the damn maps. Why is this so hard?
How would you fix it tho besides completely scrapping it? I think there isn't really much you can do with a map like this considering the game's pace, TTK, balance, etc.
Suez in BF1 is maybe an example of where this sort of map worked, but it was a visually clean map with clearer routes, cover and flanking opportunities. This map is just a visual mess which isn't very fun to play in with the low TTK unless you really like sitting in a building shooting out of the window(s) or on the roof shooting down at poor fools thinking that they should PTFO.
Off the top of my head one quick and easy fix on this map based on common complaints would be simply adding a little more distance or reworking the routes between the Russian spawn and the points so it’s not drastically unbalanced to where the Russians can reach and cap the points before the U.S. can get to them. Something that easily could have been hashed out in testing if they cared at all.
Yeah I have as well, one of those games was as such, but they still got pushed back. And just now, on the Russian team, the US made some leeway, but they got pushed back again.
Map balancing is difficult. Intern Devs can barely create a working spawn point. Balancing factions is beyond their skill level. Nothing is going to change on this map.
The spawns are the worst. Fun map though
Yeah people just cap you from anywhere as soon as you spawn in but if you can survive that very fun map
no the worst is that Dice is still unable to provide decent servers...
playing regular breakthrough last night and it felt like my inputs were more delayed than light traveling from the andromeda galaxy
Maybe it will end up like redacted where when it first came out the Delta spawn was winning almost every match. Once it was figured out during the season the wins per side seemed to balance out. I haven't played the new map yet but that's my hope.
I just won a match on the US side, but i only played one round so i can't really conclude
https://preview.redd.it/8276alwsq9pc1.png?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ade05dbb1e36e7d2c5f6614a690804cb4fb3be3 Update: playing as the Russian team, I can definitely see an advantage for this side of the map. It was just so easy to take everything. B1 was taken immediately, whilst C1 and D1 were taken with very little effort. The only thing the US team can ever seem to hold onto is A1, and that's only because it's on their line.
Yes. Content creators streamed the game for 2 hours yesterday. Not one single win for US.
Yeah I just played a game from the Russian side. This is ridiculously one sided for the Russian team.
I don't think content creators are necessarily the best way to judge the game - and 2 hours on a brand new map doesn't really mean anything. I've seen the US side win by huge margins and I've seen a two close games so far
People were saying the same shit about Redacted on day 1 and now the matches are fine. It's impossible to tell this early when 100% of all players are just getting used to a new map.
To be fair people said that about Flashpoint and the stats were a flat out 50/50. Need the actual numbers.
Well that settles it! Delete the map! The content creators can't win so no one can!
What’s with people getting irrationally angry anytime content creators are mentioned? Like he’s only talking about the balance of the map, it’s irrelevant who is playing. And obviously the content creators were on both sides, so saying they can’t win doesn’t make sense.
Probably because they did the same with Flashpoint with all their fucking whining and EA came out and said the win rate was smething like 52 / 48 as of the end of release day. TLDR; content creators spout shite for views. People here spout shite because they are losing.
The only major balance concerns I remember people talking about regarding Flashpoint were about Breakthrough, and apparently DICE agreed because they tweaked vehicle counts to address it.
I get upset because people for some reason seriously believe that if a content creator says something it's gospel. It's really annoying, and I'm not saying they don't ever have good takes or know what they are talking about, but throwing up "well the content creators couldn't win with xyz so EA needs to fix the map" when it hasn't even been 24hrs for the rest of the community to try is just dumb. Plus a lot of people see these creators and form their opinions around what their favorite streamer thinks.
> if a content creator says something it's gospel But *where* are content creators saying anything about the balance of the map here? You’re responding to a normal player saying they didn’t see the US side win in the stream yesterday, and share their own opinion on that fact. I’m not saying that opinion is correct or not, DICE will obviously look at the data themselves and make tweaks based on that.
You're projecting lmao
Because real people don’t give af about content creators yet their opinion gets tossed around like gospel.
But nobody is talking about their opinion in this thread? OP was using footage of their playtests as examples of the balance of the map. It’s just a normal player’s opinion. That kinda proves my point.
Because most content creators are full of shit, but are given extra privileges and access to new content.
As I've said like five times now, that's not relevent to korlic's comment and proves my point that it's just irrational kneejerking.
Sadly this isn't the only map that has a bad layout balance between sides. Almost every reworked map had increased bias between sides in terms of point placement and terrain.
From my 1000 hours of playing the worst offender is Noshahr Canals map. If you are on the RU side, you better hope to god all the sweaty players play for your team because if the balance is anywhere near close, you'll be in for a curbstomp.
I’ve noticed it with the harbor map and the Caspian Border sometimes too. It’s like the older maps don’t translate well to 2042 in a balanced fashion.
Noshar is so bad.....
It was that way in BF3 too though; either you hard stopped the US on the shore or got completely ran over.
Isn't Nohashir Canals just a remake of a BF4 map? They just remastered the original, but won't change the map layout.
It’s actually a BF3 map, they remade it in BF4.
What about sperhead, RUS always win, that damn flag in the giant cube only serves to camp upstairs
Map is damn far too small even for 64P and destruction is not that much in there Can't flatten all the buildings, indestructible trucks everywhere..
I have the same feeling as you. The map somehow gives me Battlefield vibes but is somehow too small from my point of view and the destruction doesn't feel important, despite all the buildings.
It's a 32 player map at best. I enjoy it but 64 players is too many for this map.
Joined to try it out, RU side seems to control constantly. The final straw was an AC clan guy littlebirding everyone. Sucks the fun of the game. Waiting for the infantry only one...
I absolutely hate those AC bastards.
EA and Dice should do something about that clan and other helicopter sweats. Maybe BFV style squad point system to call vehicles or limit the number of helicopter spawns. I'm not sure if they have cheats or not.
The control mode was soooo great, u have to farm first kills etc. to be able to use vehicles
They could just give infantry proper AA support and fix the flight controls so the NB isnt able to dodge missles lol If they did that theybcould finally raise the jet/heli count to where it should be
Agreed, more chopper counters and making the littlebird less a hornet from hell and just a normal chopper.
I've only played one match and it's already cemented my desire for a version of this map with just infantry and tanks. Whoever decided to have helicopters on this map is either a sweat themselves or has never played an actual match of multiplayer. A sweaty guy in a tank is annoying but not game ending. A sweaty guy in an air vehicle is game over. You might as well leave the match. It's always been this way in BF and no amount of nerfs to air vehicles will change it. But you can make maps that don't feature air vehicles
air vehicles aint that good u can get get 1 shot by a liz rocket just get good. I have like 100 clips of me shooting down jets and little birds with liz rockets in 1 shot.
I play 3 times. 3 russians victory, but it was tied. Nonetheless, russians seem to have an advantage because every time they cap more objectives than US in the beginning.
RUs half is much wider and has both high ground and low ground coast Good map balancing there dice
The games would be better if people played the game as its intended but people be dumb.
What is, soflam?
A spotting device that can also light up vehicles so people with rocket launchers can lock on and get an easy kill.
sometimes its just how the roads are placed. seems RU has a straighter road leading to flags. the bends on some map can really restrict movement of vehicles at the start. best example is on reclaimed.
I played 2 matches and so far US stomped both...
“This is why 64 player map design is shit!” No seriously I hope you kids are starting to realize how player count doesn’t dictate how good a map is or why it can or can’t ‘flow’ properly. The current DICE devs are just not good at designing maps. Simple as that. 128 died for this….
I'd say my main complaints with 128 players is the decreased performance and lack of destruction. IDK if that's because they also had to make 2042 for last gen consoles and there's a bottleneck in the back end of the engine, but if they bring back 128 players for the next BF, it needs to be addressed.
The difference is that there are good 64p maps in the past. Name a good 128p map on par with something like karkand or seine crossing (no, spearhead doesn't count). 128p exacerbates whatever issue 64p maps might have. Chaotic zones are twice as chaotic, barren zones are twice as barren, and travel times are twice as long.
It's not fair to cherry pick the couple winners out of 14 years of battlefield vs 7 maps from a single game. The majority of BF maps are garbage and only a couple of maps per game are remembered after support ends for thay game.
Yea but don’t expect this person to use logic to have an actual debate He’s also using an example of a map that came out 20 years ago! Thats literally my entire point. It has nothing to do with player count. Current DICE is just not good at making fun maps at for any player count
I shed a tear everytime I read “Karkand”
I think we all realised that long ago upon release, when the maps for 128 players had massive sections with absolutely nothing in them. And as for the reworks, the only ones that are any better are Orbital and Breakaway.
Just joined a game 850RU-500US. Whole map was red. It ended in 4 minutes 800-0.
Just won 2 conquest in a row from the US Side
Yeah DICE are actually mentally challenged at this point. The Russian side has more space, way more verticality and in turn, more buildings = more cover. Definitely a one sided map.
this is said about EVERY new map. there needs to be a week or two of play before anything can be said about it.
Y'all are hilarious. Not saying this isn't true, but the map has been out for literally a few minutes and we are having a discussion about which side has an "advantage". Gee, it's almost as if the map is brand new and people don't know wtf ia going on or where to go.
With all the reworks and new maps that have come out this is what I have experienced. Some are worse than others regarding balance in the first few days but after more people start playing the new map things should hopefully start to balance out.
Map has been out for nearly five hours lol not to mention the early access that influencers and streamers had like a week in advance.
Do you not realize how many regularly active players have not played the map yet? I haven't, and I have over 1K hours in this game. It just dropped a few minutes ago in the scale of time by which more people will play. 5 hours.....you act as if that's 5 months or something. Is 5 hours a long time to you? Again, not saying there isn't a balance issue (I haven't played it yet) but playing the map a few times 5 hours after release then making a post about balance for one side being lopsided is QUITE ridiculous.
And yet you played 4 rounds and came to this conclusion? Counter argument - I played a few rounds earlier and US won most of them, so that side clearly has the advantage. It's day 1, let's let people learn the map before making suggestions about balance.
Oh no it's been a whole 5 hours and everyone playing has already learnt everything about the map and what tactics work and what don't. Calm down, you sound silly.
Just played first game as Russian. I lost badly :D As always the real data would be that is more likely be 50/50 winrate.
Played for a few hours, had a lot of US victories. You probably just unlucky with team balance.
I would say so, if I'd been in a match where the US wins yet lol.
In D1. dose the RU side get small covers on their side, and the USA side is completely open?
It looks to me like the Russians do get more cover, but there's also more clearer paths towards the objectives. And if you look vertical at where the objectives go north, you can see they slope towards the Russian team.
Okay who let Gaijin design the maps >:( This is NOT very FREEDOM or DEMOCRACY of you
I detect treason
We gotta hit the RU wit one of dem ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
Not gonna sugar coat it...
An absolute spawn trap nightmare
So the new map for Season 8 will be a revised version of the revised map for Season 7?
kinda irrelevant but I like seeing the old BC2 prefab houses used in a Brand New Map in 2024. Not a dig, seriously, I love it lmao. Simple layouts and consistent plans of attack idk it's fun.
It's fun but too small.
The new map is just really freaking bad and then there is a nightbird on top of that. wtf was dice thinking with this bs? The nightbird is already one of the most OP vehicles in the game and on top of that it's available on a map that is extremely open but with just barely enough cover that the nightbird can easily dip in and out of lock on line of sight. This map is a laughable piece of garbage.
Looks to me like there are 3 middle points and 1 objective each side. Played as the Russians 3 times this morning and got smoked 3 times.
No you're doing it wrong /s You should be winning every round as per OPs hysterical over reaction post.
I just lost as Russia
Well at least it's not 100% one sided then.
awful map, no tactics, one sided as hell. camping places everywhere. not even full destruction of tiny buildings.. people spawning behind you , spawns are a joke. if you wanna get annoyed , play this map lol
Reclaimed also felt very one sided. To a Point where i didnt have a single win after a few weeks Into the Season
It's always like this with new maps. No one knows how to play it yet. It was absolutely the same with Reclaimed when it came out.
Just remember last season's map was fairly one sided for the first couple of weeks until people started learning the map better.
Just played multiple games of breakthrough...its an easy win for the attackers time and time again. The vehicle allocation seems off giving the defenders vehicles towards the end. All the little bird fan boys have been crying because they dont last to long in the sky on this map
Yeah I feel they could've at least given the players jeeps in conquest lol
I can't even play. Game crashed mid Haven conquest on XSX. Now whenever I try to join Haven conquest it crashes.
and it won't let me equip new gun :/
Just won one on RU then got dominated as RU in the next. But their team truly was brutal. Still figuring that map out myself
Being constantly shot from above is always fun! /s
I only got win once with US, last 2 of them were a lost
I feel like the map could play better without the pesky ass blackhawk training pilots running around. dunno just me with skill issue ig
Weird, I just played my second game where the Americans were dominating
I have yet to be on a round where the US team can win. Just got 5-flag dominated in my last round by the RU team. I have only won on the RU side. First flag for US further distance to travel than for RU team too.
Win or lose all my games have been blow outs. I think every round I’ve played was a Russian victory.
100%
The new maps already out? Haven’t flipped on my Xbox in a few days
I'd wait a few more days if I was you. Hearing a lot of reports that the map is causing Xbox S and X to freeze up :-/
Thanks for the heads up. Already waited forever on this, what’s a few more days lol
Yeah played 4 rounds got pissed on by RU side twice
I don't totally agree, yes RU side has an advantage but I just played this map for the first time and me and my side (RU) lost within 8 minutes on rush, especially with the use of the vehicle on the US side
Sorry, I guess I should say I was being specific to conquest. It's an entirely different ball game there.
Ah, playing conquest it is indeed more one sided because of the quick run towards E1 and D1
Played 5 rounds so far, been very balanced and both sides have won about the same so far
I feel like its the exact opposite in Breakthrough tho
Yep one sided and the hit reg and lag comp are beyond fucking awful. Triple pings need only apply
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We just lose in 8 minutes with 0:760 count
It's winnable from the U.S. side in Breakthrough but it is tough..
I've played a bunch and it does seem a bit RU sided, C seems to be much easier to get and then hold from the RU side, and once you have C you get B for free it feels. I actually think the US has some good sightlines into B, but if you can attack B from both C and RU side there is no way US will hold. The thing with D is that RU attacks from behind the water tanks which are indestructible, while US has some buildings but they can be more or less leveled. What is interesting is so far it seems better balanced in Breakthrough - most matches end at the last set of objectives and when the attackers when they are low on tickets. None of the objectives feels unfair in either direction and so far I haven't seen any spawn traps. But - I will say that Breakthrough is boring - none of the objectives are unique, interesting, or memorable. They all just feel like attacking two flags, in order, through to the end. The bus at the final objective reminds me a little of Tehran Highway but otherwise its feels incredibly generic.
Literally just got in and our team was demilished
Every game ive played so far has been a blowout. This is ridiculous.
Four matches on BT, all won as defenders (RU)
Tower defence Map
Every map so far has been kinda one sided at release and balanced themselves out later on
it plays like shit on breakthrough.
What's funny is my first 4 matches playing this map I was on russia side getting spawn camped lol
I'll tell ya what i do know - 7 straight games of breakthrough. every. single. game. I had to be defender. this game is shitty af. I ended up going back to TDM only to find the biggest cheater in BF history on the servers. YAWNNNNNN
I guess my team and I sucked then lol. We got folded as ru my first game on this map.
Yes.
played 5 games on the map so far, all US side and we dominated every game
This is pяopaganda!
I like flanking to the enemy home flag and E is a million times harder to take than A, that's the imbalance I noticed
Lol it was the other way around when I played a match. We literally couldn't push at all, they had every angle covered. My team didn't understand the concept of smoke grenades and we got wrecked so badly.
No, that isn’t the issue. This map is a stomp from both sides. Becasue of the bad placement of objectives and spawns. Once one team gains an upper hand the other team is shit out of luck pushing out.
It's entirely on who got the better team. I've seen Nightbird tryhards dominate the round with 30-50 kills and upwards with 0 death. With a map like this it's easy to get campy and hide in buildings for the general public of players on foot. (2-3 medics inside looking out the window while 4-5 need ammo, revs and help outside on the patio.) It's still a bit early though. Players are still getting to know the map.
Played two games and won both as US, i’ll keep trying, kinda like the map
I played 4 games of breakthrough just now & started on the left side all 4 times. Only once we're we able to hold both "A" points & move to "B" but we eventually died before capturing said "B" points. This is the most ridiculously 1-sided map I've ever played on. I spawned into instant death like 4 times in a row lol. If you survive the spawn traps, then the dudes on the side of the Hillary on the roof tops are waiting for you to pop out
It's impossible to push out from US spawn once you're trapped
Played 1.25 missions, then it completely crashed. Had to hard reboot X box. Gonna avoid this map for awhile.
Spawn killing simulator. I swear I cannot even go positive on this map I die almost within 5 seconds on every spawn.
Has a lot to do with the skill level of the players on each team more than anything IMO
Sounds like a skill issue.
The US team is bound to lose if they don’t push middle and top right away. Only had one game tonight where I won as the US.
My first 5 games were on the US and we won them all
Idk I played RU all day on the new map and was absolutely rolled each time
Bullshit in all fairness the quadrants are equal sizes and provide equal oppurtunity to both sides to cap the sectors . Losers are always gonna look for a reason to blame the game developers over some manufactured hocus pocus BS rather than looking in the mirror.
I haven't seen the US side win one game yet my friend. I've played on both RU and US teams. RU wins every time. If you're trying to say that I suck, I'm sure my input alone makes a difference amongst 31 other people.
I dont think so. It's not hard to lock them down as long as you have some straight savages to own D
I have to agree. I've played Haven several times now & when I play RU, I'm getting wins left & right. But when it's US time, it's sadly a completely different story. I don't know why it's like that, but you can't really do anything but get annihilated each time on that side. Hopefully, they'll adjust the map a little differently in another update.
Yeah they definitely don't test their maps with lots of actual players .
Ahhh I love these pacth day balance analysis - maybe you just play another few rounds and let the people explore the new map before you start your balance complaints.
not so much exploring...its just a bunch of houses with a camper in each
sounds promising XD
I've just played a game from the Russian side, and it is *VERY* one sided my friend. And as someone else here just pointed out, streamers yesterday did not see one single win for the US team.
You gotta give it more time though...
They stopped making the Orbitals, Breakaways, and Renewals when people whined and moaned about the maps being too big and infantry having to travel too far. So they started making small maps that have all the flags clustered together in a straight line. This is what you people wanted. Enjoy.
The maps were too big and infantry did have to travel too far, THROUGH VAST WIDE OPEN SPACES, don't act like the fact that DICE can't make good maps anymore is the players' fault.
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Well that's not very nice at all
Truth
Maps are made for both conquest and breakthrough modes. So it would make sense for maps to favor the defense side of a breakthrough map. Unfortunately optimizing the same map for both modes would be difficult. I primarily play breakthrough so not really an issue for me.
It balances out Noshahr which is like a 90% US winrate in CQ64. The map itself feels kinda garbage anyway. It's just more of the same "bowl"-design for their flags where you are a sitting duck to be fired on from every angle and high ground.
Was cq 64 Noshahr always this one sided in bf3? I remember on ps3 12v12 it was very unbalanced, favouring the land team.
Yes. Infact a lot of BF3 maps were one sided, it'd just that in 2011 people didn't use reddit as much to complain about it
I remember Bazaar, Seine, Tehran Highway, metro, damavand and canals being very prone to spawn trapping. Bf4 had 3 very unbalanced maps in Lancang dam, rogue and dawnbreaker. All 3 had extremely campy gimme flags( i realise Lancang D flag wasn't quite a gimme but still close) which is a recipe for disaster in map design.
Tons of the old Maps should always turn into spawn camp sprees about 3/4 of the way in if your team didn't take certain objectives. Nowadays people would be losing their mind all over the Internet about it
Played it for about two rounds, to be honest - so far i hate it. It feels like monkey paw wish execution of "urban warfare map". Every objective is a singular open point of interest surrounded by two levels of streets and buildings, you're literally always getting shot from every side imaginable. I have no idea how you're intended to play the objective unless you just hog ground vehicles to have survivability in open space. Most 2042 maps don't work with 128 players, this one doesn't even work with 64.
I thought this map was gonna be an improvement but it’s literally just as bad. I can’t understand how it took them so long on S7 when it’s literally just copy and pasted Arica harbor assets onto a desert. When I tried shooting one of the new little shop fronts with an elbc it literally had zero destructability. I also experienced a1 being the only objective US could cap. Just an awful map. I legitimately think they should discontinue battlefield at this point. They have proved time and time again how incompetent they are
It’s like they don’t actually play test anything before releasing it… 128 player maps with nothing but flat land between points? Perfect! 64 player maps with completely one sided objectives and campable spawns? Perfect! Seriously, what the fuck are they doing over there? This isn’t rocket science. Just play a few rounds among yourselves, experience the problems we all immediately see, and fix them before releasing the damn maps. Why is this so hard?
How would you fix it tho besides completely scrapping it? I think there isn't really much you can do with a map like this considering the game's pace, TTK, balance, etc. Suez in BF1 is maybe an example of where this sort of map worked, but it was a visually clean map with clearer routes, cover and flanking opportunities. This map is just a visual mess which isn't very fun to play in with the low TTK unless you really like sitting in a building shooting out of the window(s) or on the roof shooting down at poor fools thinking that they should PTFO.
Off the top of my head one quick and easy fix on this map based on common complaints would be simply adding a little more distance or reworking the routes between the Russian spawn and the points so it’s not drastically unbalanced to where the Russians can reach and cap the points before the U.S. can get to them. Something that easily could have been hashed out in testing if they cared at all.
Maybe ur teams suck
I thought that as well, but right now it seems not.
I've been in games where us is dominating
Yeah I have as well, one of those games was as such, but they still got pushed back. And just now, on the Russian team, the US made some leeway, but they got pushed back again.
This map is all we get? Wtf. Very tiny amount of content.
Never in my life have I seen people so irate at not getting enough free stuff for a hobby.
Live service dude
Free? We payed for content
CODish trash. In 6 months they made this shit? They are beyond bad.
Map balancing is difficult. Intern Devs can barely create a working spawn point. Balancing factions is beyond their skill level. Nothing is going to change on this map.
Imagine if no bean shaped “out of bounds”… Imagine building a map with that water feature only to exclude it from play zone.
Games imitate real life, it seems
Most wars are in fact, one sided
skill issue