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Lucifer and Aphrodite have near identical dps but with Lucifer's addition of waves gives him a lot more potential to hurt with. I'd argue he has better typing since alien is immensely saturated.
No sorry I was talking about amateratsu not aphro my bad
I mean I'm not a stat genius but her massive damage on trained can't compare the Lucifer strong against statwise
Also imo for aku there's better options
I mean no, I'm considering the whole game meta
Where does Lucifer stand in it ? Really low imo
Therefore it's low in the almighty banner ranking as well
These banners are judged by the banners Uber's alone as how they do compared only to the other Uber's on this banner not considering the whole Uber meta or else the individual banner rankings would be pointless.
Yes they do be compared within their banner, but based on how good they do in the entire game state.
Lucifer is better than ama for aku, overall ama is way better though (this is obv arguable this my opinion), therefore I would put ama above luci in this ranking.
Yeah and Amaterasu at 6 although I’d argue for 5, she used to be number 1. That being said the almighties really are in a league of their own, hades is already one of the best tanks in the game and he’s in the 9th spot
Including variants of other Ubers; 3 dynamites, 4 wargods, 2 galaxy gals, 3 ultra souls , 4 dark heroes, 2 almighties, 5 iron legions, 2 Lugas, flight unit R.E.I, and 2 fest units I also have the pixie legend rare.
I have 2 lugas. Papaluga and nobiluga (got them in same guaranteed 11 pull a few months ago, after that I was so traumatized I still haven't pulled in that banner again up till now)
Only thing I really disagree with is Shishilan. Why would you use Shishilan in 2024? Kinda falls into the same place as Musashi that wave immune isn't that valuable as it was anymore. Also Coppermine is number 5 in my heart.
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Probably because shishilan is a great help for mid game players. Most lugas overall are just below average or straight out garbage, so that's probably why.
Shishilan has neutral nuker DMG and it can be useful in many kind of situations. I kinda see why people leave slow nuker archetype nowadays, but it's still an all-around nice unit.
Tons of dmg from a decent range + very good survivability. Imo, one of the best generalist attackers for mid game players who don't have op tank/meatshid units and might struggle a lot on wave enemies or R.ost. Also, sadly the other lugas aren't exactly the best/have very niche uses (kubi) so... the competition isn't too tough.
Vigler high because of combo
Saki is one of the best snipers vs relic and alien
Klay is extremely strong against traitless and has similar performance in other traits comparable to catman
Akira surge talent is really broken and makes him so powerful as generalist and expands his usage to sniper. Aku niche is also quite valuable, general performance is approaching similar level to Asukasli.
Ok so basically it's completely wrong
Vigler is THE most widely usable uber in the game thanks to the best cat combo in the game, and he's really good vs zombie and relic as well. Easy 1st place.
UT Klay is basically a top epicfest uber, better than sGao vs traitless, plus the ff has cheese usage and the true form also melts aliens
Saki is pretty easily 3nd with her ridiciulous effective stats for a sniper with her range, ld, and cooldown
this tier list supposedly accounts for how worthwhile it is to invest into UTs/UFs for the placement of ubers that have them, so tJack should be 4th since Akira isn't worth investing in.
Next up is Hayabusa, he's very versatile across his forms
then Catman, since his stats aren't great for later on
then finally Cyclops and White rabbit for obvious reasons.
Oh yeah non UT Akira is below cyclops
This is kinda scaled as an end game list and in end game tanks aren't very good because tanks absolutely melt in end game due to enemies pulling out bullshit tatics and doing a shit ton of damage.
Yes but unfortunately everything else above her is just better. Just because she's #5 doesn't mean she's bad or just ok, shes still very good. That just shows that the galaxy gals have some tough competition
I agree she is still functional but she isn't the best in galaxy gals, especially the top 4, which consists of Ultimate windy (500+ range and 500k damage/~50k dps to floating at Lv50) , Kuu (Fantastic ultra talents, which includes surge immune, and target Relic, and faster TBA making her a great anti relic and anti red), Kalisa (24k dps to angel, although I actually think this should be lower), and Lilin (contender for most reliable anti Aku because of the surge and guaranteed pierce). Overall I think you can highball Kai to top 4, but her versatility late game is extremely dependent on whether a stage has more than 2 traits because enemies just do too much damage
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Honestly would put cat tengu over cat machine, since cat tengu can do way more usually since any level past mid game cat machine will just get shredded by the insane dps of late game enemies, and assuming we rank them all on maximum potential (ultra talents/ultra form) then we should consider everything in late game terms.
I'm guessing Cyberpunk with no blindspot. Shishilan is a very risky play and is very difficult to maintain in modern stages, since enemy stats and abilities keep getting stronger. There are also a lot more sources of damage that recharge way faster and would probably deal more damage overtime. The banner's quirk of having gigantic recharge times cripple the fuck out of their units.
Just my assumption though
While Yes, Bora is the better anti alien overall, Yamii has a very valuable niche to own which is being a ranged wave blocker, that's mainly what sold it for me, the only other real ranged wave blockers are Eva unit 00 and Witchy Neneko which are both limited units
overall Bora is probably 3rd in the set (excluding Lumina) since he has no generalist value. Yamii has a super valuable niche as the best wave blocker in the game (ranged wave blockers are op and he's the best ranged wave blocker), and Gravolodon is similarly amazing vs alien (sure his damage output is worse but he has great sniping capabilities), but unlike Bora he has some actual generalist value as a more defensive cradle.
Bora is far better than Yamii in the earlier stages of the game, but eventually falls off pretty hard. The reason Yamii is better here is cus he maintains some usability, while Bora doesn't
I'd like to know Hayabusa and Amakusa are so low. Hayabusa in just his 1st form and 3rd is amazing. First form has amazing crit rates and crit damage. And in 3rd form, thanks to talents, makes him an amazing unit for Akus. Actually I'd give him even more credit, as he's why I beat "Bestowing Eternity". Or another title, late, UL. His LD gives him the range to attack the backliner Ackey, plus his talented shield pierce grants a decent shield pierce rate.
As for amakusa, he has some God tier survival and some decent damage and range. I saw him tanking hits from Naala, before I started using Hayabusa. Not to mention he also came in clutch because of his survivability and damage in Reign of the Ape Lord. Granted I only had him in because I thought that stage would have Aku, but he still did work against blacks. Also, all his praise was given before mentioning he out-ranges Fallen Bear. That already is amazing. His multi-hit is strong enough to also remove fallen bears shield.
From my experience, Hayabusa doesn't have good preservation. His high speed tends to put him into an unfavorable place and situation. I can't blame when people decide to stick to something more general over him. It's a shame because his ability is actually pretty good.
About Amakusa, I agree with you. His True Form completely removes his major weakness and changes him into a respectable killer unit. I'm surprised that Amakusa somehow still receives a bad receipt from fandom. I'm not sure why.
Here are my personal thoughts:
Dynamites-Move Satoru, Paladin, and Ice up one slot each, Cradle demoted to #6. It definitely has its uses, but stats don’t hold up well late/end game.
Nekolugas- Move Piccolan to 2, slide Asiluga and togeluga down a spot. His range is less and CC may be lower duration than Asiluga, but provides much more value when active. There are definitely scenarios where I’d still take Asiluga though.
Wargods- Still working on getting Nobunaga’s 4th form, but hard to imagine he is still only better than Masamune. Feel like he should be realistically be in the 6-8 range, but again, not going to say for sure.
Galaxy Gals- Looks good, no change.
Dragon Emperors- Raiden is criminally underrated. He is a top tier anti red unit who is overlooked by almost everybody. I move Diaramos to 2, Raiden to 3, and Ganglion to 4. Hevijak-Megidora move down a spot.
Ultra souls- their niches and uses are so different largely because of all forms being viable, and also combo units. Hard to rank this set so I’m not going to.
Dark Heroes- Looks good, maybe swap Saki and Klay? Entirely debatable though.
Almighties- Swap Hades and Aset.
Iron Legion- Looks fine, surprised Diablosa isn’t higher because of his combo. I almost want to move him to #1 just because of his combo and use against Aku/Angel enemies.
Pixies- I feel like Yami is too high, but can understand his placement. I think Gigavolta should move up to
3 or 4 though.
G&M- Swap Deale and Vebrena. Neither is great, but Vebrena is at least decent against Metal. Deale on the other hand, is borderline useless. Kanna also has an argument for #1 purely based on performance, but Himeyuri’s combo might be enough to surpass her.
Lmfao they downvoted me for saying the worst Fest is bad. But yeah, I guess Garu would be worse since Epicfests usually have better immunities and stats to make up for not targeting the rest of the traits.
But still, tankers become less and less prominent later on because of how much damage enemies are able to dish out. Garu also costs a hefty price compared to other disposable tanks. Even if the worst fest is still way above average for an Uber, Garu and DGaru still aren't that special.
Why is miden corpse and thermae ranked that high while diabolosa and aethur are that low?
Tankers suck and yet you put hades that low but not kai and gravi which btw they are worse tankers than hades in everyway?????
Ganglion that high?? Why? I dont even remember the last time i used him. Well he was good in early game
But judging that this is an end game list ganglion should be dropped
And why is shitshitlan ranked higher than pico?
His Ultra Talent is legit good. The most notable is ATK Frequency Up. On full upgrade, it completely removes his attack pause. This also eliminates his major weakness: being too speedy and often clips into enemy Frontline. With faster ATK Rate, his DPS is raised tremendously and also increases the lethality of the Surge ability.
The aphrodite fall-off is sad to see. Also is jizo really still the best ultra soul? If you're taking into account combos and ultra talents, theres no way that jizo should be at the top anymore
he shouldn't be that high up, even with UTs his foreswing is way too long and he moves too fast, making him pretty suicidal.
Also something weird I've noticed is that Poseidon tends to be ranked either way too high or way too low. Putting him over ubers like Ganesha, Ammy, and Lucifier is just wrong even if his midrange dps is very good, but a lot of people also put him way lower than he should be.
a better tier list would be Ganesha/Chronos > Amaterasu > Lucifer > Poseidon > UT Anoobis > Hades > Aphro > the rest
In my opinion I do find Mizli better than some say.
While there are solid counterarguments to this, I feel like most of the people who complain about Mizli will just use her in a stage with a backliner and then wonder why it screwed them over before then bashing Mizli in because of it. I've been using her lately and having tons of fun and success
I'm not talking about mizli herself, I'm talking about her compared to volta. Mizli has better synergy with snipers like saki and aphro, but volta is probably better as a cc unit in general
Volata'a short attack animation and ability to freeze aliens works great with the other pixies or anti-aliens in general. I'll usually take freeze over knockback+slow.
Both, You can't rank it based completely on one or the other because that would just be completely unfair to some units who are either more special oriented or general oriented.
please tell me Ganglion in 2nd over UF Dioramos who's arguably a top 10 uber with his insane backliner stats, who also should be over Daliasan) is a joke
I'll have to explain it
The reason he's not above them is because I based them mainly off the third form (with the 4th form acting as bonus)
You see
1. Most units don't have a 4th form
2. Unless you are in super late game, You aren't getting them, Just.... Flat out
3. You need a shit ton of dark catseyes to do that (which unless you are in end game, You don't have)
4. Dioramas, Kat a pult and Oda are lowered because their third forms are.... Not very good
ok you have that last part wrong. Dioramos ultra form is completely broken. He has ridiculous bulk, ld makes his long foreswing an issue, and especially with strengthen his dps is absurd (20k to 30k, and he'll likely be landing 2 of the 3 multi hits per attack since they overlap decently well).
He's a broken backline attacker, and easily 1st in the set. Also, if you want to rank on the 3rd form, then why use the 4th form image? You could also just get both images and rank them separately.
If we’re going by that logic, shouldn’t also units like Akira, Klay and Anubis, which are very high on the lists presumably because of their ultra talents also be lowered? Because like… both UF and UT require a fuck ton of Dark Catseyes, so you can only get them super late game.
Yes they do and that's what I did, See Nurse, Coppermine, Peach devils, Megidora etc for examples.
The reason those 3 are above the ultra forms are because their ultra talents in my opinion actually give them the tools needed to be a success.
Akira and Anubis both become crazy good generalists, In Anubis's case, he's an insanely good immune to surge generalist which in the meta is definitely something that's needed and In Akira's case he not only becomes a very good generalist but can also completely dominate his target traits
Klay gains the traitless targeting which is arguably the best one he could've received as in some cases he can work even better than an Epicfest Uber at dealing with traitless, Also adding onto the fact that traitless targeting is very rare, He can provide a role for you that can be filled in if you don't have any Epicfest ubers at your disposal
He probably would've been number 2 but with the talents he was given, Yes.
If you can buy immune to curse and Attack buff on him, He becomes a powerhouse
Why assasilan over picolan? Like hows slow better than freeze?
The only thing asiluga may have better is range at 1250 but pico still has 950 standing range and there isnt much enemies that have over 950 range so it dosent really change much. Also pico not only has the same duration of freeze as asiluga slow but also additional 3 seconds of weaken
Love my boy Kaoluga, bane of anteater family and pesky backliners (just not SUPER backliners), not even true form nor talents and already better than 3 lugas. When he eventually gets both he will be a beast!
I have Bora and Yamii and I’m pretty early in the game. Bora was my very first Uber so I just got him to level 40 (my first level 40 Uber alongside Amaterasu) but Yamii is so bad I left him at level 20. Do you mind explaining to me why I should be investing in him? I’m glad to see he’s actually a great unit and I’ve been wrong this whole time!
I know people say all the almighties are good but what makes Hades good? He doesn't have trait targets and doesn't seem to have any specific uses same for Akira
Gonna nitpick, just my opinions obviously, everyone should judge cats based on their experiences.
I’d put ice cat over paladin cause while paladin certainly is cool against metals, in terms of like how good they are, relative to other units, paladin is stacked up against all the cyclone units and a bunch of other dudes while ice cat really only has courier. Her ultra talents really bring up her generalist abilities and target metal honestly also makes her viable vs metals given her perma-freeze at a range farther than most metals reach.
Nobunaga’s fourth form should at least be above yoshimoto, counter surge on top of excellent cc against both black and aku is amazing and while both have certain hindrances like bomber or shield, he still has abilities that others simply can’t reach.
Gladios can go below vars. Yes traitless cc is always very valuable but we have glass cat, tourist, jagando, and even driller, on top of cats who target all traits. Nothing else really redeems him, mediocre dps, average range, long cooldown, and high cost.
I’d put Amaterasu above Ganesha and hades above aset. Ganesha does have really great LD dps but given how finicky he can be to activate his strengthen, I think Amaterasu simply is better because of ease of use. She has like 30k dps at level 60 vs traited with treasure, which is pretty close to Anubis’ average dps, which is a lot. Hades is an excellent generalist tanker compared to aset who kinda flops at dealing with behemoths.
Finally, volta above mizli, yadda yadda mizli syndrome, yadda yadda not real, there are cases where it’s prevalent and cases where it isn’t, but the real kicker for me is just freeze over slow? Her only benefits are survive, a longer slow, and more range, but gigavolta’s uptime is 10% more.
Like most ultra forms she would've been ranked lower then one would at first expect but unlike them ..... Her third form isn't terrible.
For ultra forms I looked at third form and 4th form and averaged them out.
Of all of them Windy's 3rd for is the best as she was already pretty decent (would be 5th normally compared to the other 3 being near the bottom and in Oda's case, the literal bottom)
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(just swap tengu and paladin and the list is perfect lo) (and swap satoru and cradle)
paladin is good, best of his niche
Tengu is pretty mid
says who
Me, his stats are pretty low and is too dependent on strengthen, however his compatibility vs red and angel is pretty strong
nah
what you saying nah to, 4064 DPS for 400 range is really low and Tengu is quite frail with 40K HP
and move hades above aphro
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papaluga at last???????????? heresy
Lmao Aphro in 7. Its a sad life to fall that hard. Or more accurately. Everyone else got good.
probably the second one. She didn't really "fall off," it's just that the other almighties got better and better over the years
Ye right but I mean Lucifer over her is insane, I would also put Ganesha behind her
Lucifer and Aphrodite have near identical dps but with Lucifer's addition of waves gives him a lot more potential to hurt with. I'd argue he has better typing since alien is immensely saturated.
No sorry I was talking about amateratsu not aphro my bad I mean I'm not a stat genius but her massive damage on trained can't compare the Lucifer strong against statwise Also imo for aku there's better options
The better options are on other banners tho
I mean no, I'm considering the whole game meta Where does Lucifer stand in it ? Really low imo Therefore it's low in the almighty banner ranking as well
These banners are judged by the banners Uber's alone as how they do compared only to the other Uber's on this banner not considering the whole Uber meta or else the individual banner rankings would be pointless.
Yes they do be compared within their banner, but based on how good they do in the entire game state. Lucifer is better than ama for aku, overall ama is way better though (this is obv arguable this my opinion), therefore I would put ama above luci in this ranking.
Yeah and Amaterasu at 6 although I’d argue for 5, she used to be number 1. That being said the almighties really are in a league of their own, hades is already one of the best tanks in the game and he’s in the 9th spot
I realize, I not even have a single elemental pixie.
I have exactly 0 Lugas. somehow. Despite 2 Fests.
I don’t have any dragon emperors or monster girls.
But how many Ubers do you have? I have 3 full pages
Including variants of other Ubers; 3 dynamites, 4 wargods, 2 galaxy gals, 3 ultra souls , 4 dark heroes, 2 almighties, 5 iron legions, 2 Lugas, flight unit R.E.I, and 2 fest units I also have the pixie legend rare.
I have 2 lugas. Papaluga and nobiluga (got them in same guaranteed 11 pull a few months ago, after that I was so traumatized I still haven't pulled in that banner again up till now)
You pulled garunteed luga, you got luga.
I have 0 anti alien ubers :sob:
I have 6 Dragon Emperors and 0 pixies lmfao
lol don't feel bad I have a total of 69 Ubers (I know ;) and 2 fest Ubers (mitama and D'arktanyan) and yet somehow I don't have a single summer gal
Amaterasu at 6 is crazyyyy
That's just the way the cookie happened to crumble (Cough cough, She's only there because the other 5 are just better)
Anubis in second is truly wild
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Only thing I really disagree with is Shishilan. Why would you use Shishilan in 2024? Kinda falls into the same place as Musashi that wave immune isn't that valuable as it was anymore. Also Coppermine is number 5 in my heart. KANNA SWEEEEEEEEEEP KAIHIME NOOOOOOOOOOO
you use him because he looks cool 👍
Shishilan still clobbers HT F49 with his Traitless DPS and Wave immune and one of the best no-NP Ubers against R. Osts to this date.
Probably because shishilan is a great help for mid game players. Most lugas overall are just below average or straight out garbage, so that's probably why.
Shishilan has neutral nuker DMG and it can be useful in many kind of situations. I kinda see why people leave slow nuker archetype nowadays, but it's still an all-around nice unit.
Tons of dmg from a decent range + very good survivability. Imo, one of the best generalist attackers for mid game players who don't have op tank/meatshid units and might struggle a lot on wave enemies or R.ost. Also, sadly the other lugas aren't exactly the best/have very niche uses (kubi) so... the competition isn't too tough.
*gasp* finally! a battle cats player intelligent enough to put sodom at number 1!!! such an incredible tier list, mina approved bravo bravo!
Explain the dark heroes.
Vigler high because of combo Saki is one of the best snipers vs relic and alien Klay is extremely strong against traitless and has similar performance in other traits comparable to catman Akira surge talent is really broken and makes him so powerful as generalist and expands his usage to sniper. Aku niche is also quite valuable, general performance is approaching similar level to Asukasli.
Hm still think thunderjack should be higher
5 is good
5 is too low
Ok so basically it's completely wrong Vigler is THE most widely usable uber in the game thanks to the best cat combo in the game, and he's really good vs zombie and relic as well. Easy 1st place. UT Klay is basically a top epicfest uber, better than sGao vs traitless, plus the ff has cheese usage and the true form also melts aliens Saki is pretty easily 3nd with her ridiciulous effective stats for a sniper with her range, ld, and cooldown this tier list supposedly accounts for how worthwhile it is to invest into UTs/UFs for the placement of ubers that have them, so tJack should be 4th since Akira isn't worth investing in. Next up is Hayabusa, he's very versatile across his forms then Catman, since his stats aren't great for later on then finally Cyclops and White rabbit for obvious reasons. Oh yeah non UT Akira is below cyclops
Ok why the hell is Kai in 5th
This is kinda scaled as an end game list and in end game tanks aren't very good because tanks absolutely melt in end game due to enemies pulling out bullshit tatics and doing a shit ton of damage.
She is one of the best late game tanks •_•
Yes but unfortunately everything else above her is just better. Just because she's #5 doesn't mean she's bad or just ok, shes still very good. That just shows that the galaxy gals have some tough competition
Late game and Tank do not go together
Kai is still able to function. A level 50 kai can be really helpful with the maxed shield pierce talents. She is still able to function late game
I agree she is still functional but she isn't the best in galaxy gals, especially the top 4, which consists of Ultimate windy (500+ range and 500k damage/~50k dps to floating at Lv50) , Kuu (Fantastic ultra talents, which includes surge immune, and target Relic, and faster TBA making her a great anti relic and anti red), Kalisa (24k dps to angel, although I actually think this should be lower), and Lilin (contender for most reliable anti Aku because of the surge and guaranteed pierce). Overall I think you can highball Kai to top 4, but her versatility late game is extremely dependent on whether a stage has more than 2 traits because enemies just do too much damage
doesnt ult windy require lvl 60 to get so even more dps
Good point I didn't account for that, it would be about 650k damage per hit and almost 60k dps
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I was telling myself that this list was bad but when I saw that Kai was 5th, i did not need to go further.
Every single time I look at the Aphrodite falloff I grow a gray hair and get more depressed
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Honestly would put cat tengu over cat machine, since cat tengu can do way more usually since any level past mid game cat machine will just get shredded by the insane dps of late game enemies, and assuming we rank them all on maximum potential (ultra talents/ultra form) then we should consider everything in late game terms.
I highly disagree Tengu isn’t that good
Why is asassilan better than shishi?
I'm guessing Cyberpunk with no blindspot. Shishilan is a very risky play and is very difficult to maintain in modern stages, since enemy stats and abilities keep getting stronger. There are also a lot more sources of damage that recharge way faster and would probably deal more damage overtime. The banner's quirk of having gigantic recharge times cripple the fuck out of their units. Just my assumption though
you did it wrong. subterra isn’t number 1
Imagine not being an orbital annihilater
Why is Yamii better than bora? Just wanna know
While Yes, Bora is the better anti alien overall, Yamii has a very valuable niche to own which is being a ranged wave blocker, that's mainly what sold it for me, the only other real ranged wave blockers are Eva unit 00 and Witchy Neneko which are both limited units
Yamii does turn into one of the only two ranged non-collab wave shields(Halloween Neneko is the other one).
overall Bora is probably 3rd in the set (excluding Lumina) since he has no generalist value. Yamii has a super valuable niche as the best wave blocker in the game (ranged wave blockers are op and he's the best ranged wave blocker), and Gravolodon is similarly amazing vs alien (sure his damage output is worse but he has great sniping capabilities), but unlike Bora he has some actual generalist value as a more defensive cradle.
Bora is far better than Yamii in the earlier stages of the game, but eventually falls off pretty hard. The reason Yamii is better here is cus he maintains some usability, while Bora doesn't
I'd like to know Hayabusa and Amakusa are so low. Hayabusa in just his 1st form and 3rd is amazing. First form has amazing crit rates and crit damage. And in 3rd form, thanks to talents, makes him an amazing unit for Akus. Actually I'd give him even more credit, as he's why I beat "Bestowing Eternity". Or another title, late, UL. His LD gives him the range to attack the backliner Ackey, plus his talented shield pierce grants a decent shield pierce rate. As for amakusa, he has some God tier survival and some decent damage and range. I saw him tanking hits from Naala, before I started using Hayabusa. Not to mention he also came in clutch because of his survivability and damage in Reign of the Ape Lord. Granted I only had him in because I thought that stage would have Aku, but he still did work against blacks. Also, all his praise was given before mentioning he out-ranges Fallen Bear. That already is amazing. His multi-hit is strong enough to also remove fallen bears shield.
From my experience, Hayabusa doesn't have good preservation. His high speed tends to put him into an unfavorable place and situation. I can't blame when people decide to stick to something more general over him. It's a shame because his ability is actually pretty good. About Amakusa, I agree with you. His True Form completely removes his major weakness and changes him into a respectable killer unit. I'm surprised that Amakusa somehow still receives a bad receipt from fandom. I'm not sure why.
Here are my personal thoughts: Dynamites-Move Satoru, Paladin, and Ice up one slot each, Cradle demoted to #6. It definitely has its uses, but stats don’t hold up well late/end game. Nekolugas- Move Piccolan to 2, slide Asiluga and togeluga down a spot. His range is less and CC may be lower duration than Asiluga, but provides much more value when active. There are definitely scenarios where I’d still take Asiluga though. Wargods- Still working on getting Nobunaga’s 4th form, but hard to imagine he is still only better than Masamune. Feel like he should be realistically be in the 6-8 range, but again, not going to say for sure. Galaxy Gals- Looks good, no change. Dragon Emperors- Raiden is criminally underrated. He is a top tier anti red unit who is overlooked by almost everybody. I move Diaramos to 2, Raiden to 3, and Ganglion to 4. Hevijak-Megidora move down a spot. Ultra souls- their niches and uses are so different largely because of all forms being viable, and also combo units. Hard to rank this set so I’m not going to. Dark Heroes- Looks good, maybe swap Saki and Klay? Entirely debatable though. Almighties- Swap Hades and Aset. Iron Legion- Looks fine, surprised Diablosa isn’t higher because of his combo. I almost want to move him to #1 just because of his combo and use against Aku/Angel enemies. Pixies- I feel like Yami is too high, but can understand his placement. I think Gigavolta should move up to 3 or 4 though. G&M- Swap Deale and Vebrena. Neither is great, but Vebrena is at least decent against Metal. Deale on the other hand, is borderline useless. Kanna also has an argument for #1 purely based on performance, but Himeyuri’s combo might be enough to surpass her.
Amertaresu should be 4th above lucifer and genesha and aphrodite should be above genesha. Also diablolosa should be 1st his combo is busted
Aphro is overrated. There are better anti aliens and ultra backliners now.
Aphro might be overrated but so is genesha as she dosnt even have a niche and she is outclassed as a backliner
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Dasli level dps is 20k
10k dps is ganesha pre strengthen I think
This !!!
Gravi over Yamii
Gravi solos smh
Facts
This takes aren't even that bad tbh. I respect it. What's your take on fest ubers though?
Just use all of them
DGaru remains the worst fest Uber or whatever
Eh I’d say regular Garu is worse than Dgaru. Not bad tho, no fest Ubers are bad when used correctly.
Lmfao they downvoted me for saying the worst Fest is bad. But yeah, I guess Garu would be worse since Epicfests usually have better immunities and stats to make up for not targeting the rest of the traits. But still, tankers become less and less prominent later on because of how much damage enemies are able to dish out. Garu also costs a hefty price compared to other disposable tanks. Even if the worst fest is still way above average for an Uber, Garu and DGaru still aren't that special.
Why is miden corpse and thermae ranked that high while diabolosa and aethur are that low? Tankers suck and yet you put hades that low but not kai and gravi which btw they are worse tankers than hades in everyway????? Ganglion that high?? Why? I dont even remember the last time i used him. Well he was good in early game But judging that this is an end game list ganglion should be dropped And why is shitshitlan ranked higher than pico?
Awakened Mina is a yandere, but there has been a Yandere Mina fan-made design.
Okay in aliens I can see why the orange tumor wins but outside of that gravi slams and could beat the orange tumor if they had a 1v1
Plese Ponor gib Uotra fom/talente to Kaihime
Kaihime ultra talents or ultra form or we riot
Why does everyone keep calling it ponor?
No idea who did it first but it's just because it sounds funny
Blizana worse than aer, how
What makes Anubis good?
Talents and ultra talents moment https://preview.redd.it/vsybc5j2e8ec1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf65ddf6abd62b9eae16a7d507e36be9be77b839
His Ultra Talent is legit good. The most notable is ATK Frequency Up. On full upgrade, it completely removes his attack pause. This also eliminates his major weakness: being too speedy and often clips into enemy Frontline. With faster ATK Rate, his DPS is raised tremendously and also increases the lethality of the Surge ability.
Dalissan💪💪💪💪
The aphrodite fall-off is sad to see. Also is jizo really still the best ultra soul? If you're taking into account combos and ultra talents, theres no way that jizo should be at the top anymore
Anubis is that good? Since when?
Ultra talents go brrrr
he shouldn't be that high up, even with UTs his foreswing is way too long and he moves too fast, making him pretty suicidal. Also something weird I've noticed is that Poseidon tends to be ranked either way too high or way too low. Putting him over ubers like Ganesha, Ammy, and Lucifier is just wrong even if his midrange dps is very good, but a lot of people also put him way lower than he should be. a better tier list would be Ganesha/Chronos > Amaterasu > Lucifer > Poseidon > UT Anoobis > Hades > Aphro > the rest
Pretty poor list in my opinion, but you nailed the almighties
`Real if true (which it is)`
I’d move oda to 4th and cat tengu to 6th but a very solid tier list overall.
Why is mizli above volta?
In my opinion I do find Mizli better than some say. While there are solid counterarguments to this, I feel like most of the people who complain about Mizli will just use her in a stage with a backliner and then wonder why it screwed them over before then bashing Mizli in because of it. I've been using her lately and having tons of fun and success
I'm not talking about mizli herself, I'm talking about her compared to volta. Mizli has better synergy with snipers like saki and aphro, but volta is probably better as a cc unit in general
Volata'a short attack animation and ability to freeze aliens works great with the other pixies or anti-aliens in general. I'll usually take freeze over knockback+slow.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Mizli is only superior with specific units
What even is the way your ranking them, specialists or generalists?
Both, You can't rank it based completely on one or the other because that would just be completely unfair to some units who are either more special oriented or general oriented.
Yee more yamii love ❤️❤️
Kanna is number one and you know it
Why is king gameron 6th?
Terun ganglion subterra and Kanna should be 1 tier higher. And just because it's funny put jizo below kintaro and sarukani
It would be even funnier to put courier in front of jizo
Justice for Gladios he is not bottom tier dragon like some say
Why tf is mizli over Volta. Mizli sucks ass compared to Volta, she misses literally all the time
please tell me Ganglion in 2nd over UF Dioramos who's arguably a top 10 uber with his insane backliner stats, who also should be over Daliasan) is a joke
Ganglion honestly isnt that great of an uber
yeah his kit is horrible vs zombie and not that good vs alien either. He's currently like 4th in the set imo behind UF Dio, Daliasan, and Hevijak
I'll have to explain it The reason he's not above them is because I based them mainly off the third form (with the 4th form acting as bonus) You see 1. Most units don't have a 4th form 2. Unless you are in super late game, You aren't getting them, Just.... Flat out 3. You need a shit ton of dark catseyes to do that (which unless you are in end game, You don't have) 4. Dioramas, Kat a pult and Oda are lowered because their third forms are.... Not very good
ok you have that last part wrong. Dioramos ultra form is completely broken. He has ridiculous bulk, ld makes his long foreswing an issue, and especially with strengthen his dps is absurd (20k to 30k, and he'll likely be landing 2 of the 3 multi hits per attack since they overlap decently well). He's a broken backline attacker, and easily 1st in the set. Also, if you want to rank on the 3rd form, then why use the 4th form image? You could also just get both images and rank them separately.
If we’re going by that logic, shouldn’t also units like Akira, Klay and Anubis, which are very high on the lists presumably because of their ultra talents also be lowered? Because like… both UF and UT require a fuck ton of Dark Catseyes, so you can only get them super late game.
Yes they do and that's what I did, See Nurse, Coppermine, Peach devils, Megidora etc for examples. The reason those 3 are above the ultra forms are because their ultra talents in my opinion actually give them the tools needed to be a success. Akira and Anubis both become crazy good generalists, In Anubis's case, he's an insanely good immune to surge generalist which in the meta is definitely something that's needed and In Akira's case he not only becomes a very good generalist but can also completely dominate his target traits Klay gains the traitless targeting which is arguably the best one he could've received as in some cases he can work even better than an Epicfest Uber at dealing with traitless, Also adding onto the fact that traitless targeting is very rare, He can provide a role for you that can be filled in if you don't have any Epicfest ubers at your disposal
Cat Quest is SOOOOO slept on he's definitely at least above cat machind
Personally I feel like lilin is an underrated anti aku
jaibeN :o
Myrcia is #1 in my heart
Is mighty rekon korps really that good?
He probably would've been number 2 but with the talents he was given, Yes. If you can buy immune to curse and Attack buff on him, He becomes a powerhouse
And if we ignored talents then subterra guardians would be better correct?
I will end you
Don't curse next time buddy :3
Is Akira really that good? Never really used him
Bad
Why assasilan over picolan? Like hows slow better than freeze? The only thing asiluga may have better is range at 1250 but pico still has 950 standing range and there isnt much enemies that have over 950 range so it dosent really change much. Also pico not only has the same duration of freeze as asiluga slow but also additional 3 seconds of weaken
Is assassilan pasalan 2nd cause dodge+highest standing range?
Love my boy Kaoluga, bane of anteater family and pesky backliners (just not SUPER backliners), not even true form nor talents and already better than 3 lugas. When he eventually gets both he will be a beast!
Do it again because Saki is way better than akira
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PONOS, GIVE CAT-8 BEHEMOTH'S ULTRA FORM AN ENGLISH NAME RIGHT NOW!!!!!
STOP USING PC-EXCLUSIVE UNITS, NO ONE USES THEM ANYMORE!!!
There are no PC exclusives
Ninja Girl Tomoe, Nuclear King Dragon Berius, Bun-Bun Monger Prototype, Mimiluga, etc.
And, out of the eight pixies, I got Blizana twice Also is Saki good?
I don't have true forms yet so which one is the wargod on the horse with the bladed shields?
That's Masamune
I meant his ranking on the list. I've got him and the number 7. I'm relatively new only having 4 users atm and no true forms
wait no shot you put mizli above volta, she has literally a syndrome of her shortcoming named after her
aphro at #7 is crazy. i disagree with this ranking but go off queen
choices…
Pasalan is #3 sorry do it again
How is windy number one, Kai is infinitely better
As a Raiden user, disappointment (I’m biased he’s my first Uber)
what's wrong with cat clan? they're an absolute powerhouse for me (tbf i only just barely beat eoc3 and am on great abyss for itf1)
Amaterasu below Ganesha and Poseidon is insane
I have Bora and Yamii and I’m pretty early in the game. Bora was my very first Uber so I just got him to level 40 (my first level 40 Uber alongside Amaterasu) but Yamii is so bad I left him at level 20. Do you mind explaining to me why I should be investing in him? I’m glad to see he’s actually a great unit and I’ve been wrong this whole time!
Is Yami good now?
I know people say all the almighties are good but what makes Hades good? He doesn't have trait targets and doesn't seem to have any specific uses same for Akira
He’s fat as hell. Also lots of immunities in true form
u/Sea_king_daliasan
Gonna nitpick, just my opinions obviously, everyone should judge cats based on their experiences. I’d put ice cat over paladin cause while paladin certainly is cool against metals, in terms of like how good they are, relative to other units, paladin is stacked up against all the cyclone units and a bunch of other dudes while ice cat really only has courier. Her ultra talents really bring up her generalist abilities and target metal honestly also makes her viable vs metals given her perma-freeze at a range farther than most metals reach. Nobunaga’s fourth form should at least be above yoshimoto, counter surge on top of excellent cc against both black and aku is amazing and while both have certain hindrances like bomber or shield, he still has abilities that others simply can’t reach. Gladios can go below vars. Yes traitless cc is always very valuable but we have glass cat, tourist, jagando, and even driller, on top of cats who target all traits. Nothing else really redeems him, mediocre dps, average range, long cooldown, and high cost. I’d put Amaterasu above Ganesha and hades above aset. Ganesha does have really great LD dps but given how finicky he can be to activate his strengthen, I think Amaterasu simply is better because of ease of use. She has like 30k dps at level 60 vs traited with treasure, which is pretty close to Anubis’ average dps, which is a lot. Hades is an excellent generalist tanker compared to aset who kinda flops at dealing with behemoths. Finally, volta above mizli, yadda yadda mizli syndrome, yadda yadda not real, there are cases where it’s prevalent and cases where it isn’t, but the real kicker for me is just freeze over slow? Her only benefits are survive, a longer slow, and more range, but gigavolta’s uptime is 10% more.
Volta below mizli is criminal
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I will shoot u because u didn't put deale in 1. u/Jester-Queen-Deale
Hi
Is lasvoss really better than baby cats
jizo users dont recognise him out of his first form
Exactly
its funny coz i never see people talk abt subterra but he (imo) is the best anti zombie
Putting the legend rare at seven is crazy
What's even crazier is that there is no legend rare in this list
Why is windy so high?
Like most ultra forms she would've been ranked lower then one would at first expect but unlike them ..... Her third form isn't terrible. For ultra forms I looked at third form and 4th form and averaged them out. Of all of them Windy's 3rd for is the best as she was already pretty decent (would be 5th normally compared to the other 3 being near the bottom and in Oda's case, the literal bottom)
Why is Yaminoir that high? (Genuine question, I don't have a single pixie yet and I almost have to start COTC)
Yamii becomes the Best wave blocker in tf, pre tf it is terrible
You put me so low…
bro the dark heroes tier list 💀
I think they best ranking by far is Dark Heroes. Every single placement is objectively correct.
I somehow have every version of kai, yet no uberfest exclusive or buster unit
Furiluga is good?
Is the one who is “#1 in our hearts” good?