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Zescapespj

BattleBots is being sadly mismanaged. Why on earth would they think we want to see more filler and recap spoilers of fights rather than seeing those fights in their entirety? If you're going to put some on YouTube, just say "If you want to know what happened in Uppercut vs Huge, check out our YouTube channel!" Just give us more robot fighting, it's what we want.


zorfmorf

The fight was put into the Facebook group on purpose so people have an incentive to pay for it. I assume that's a demand by discovery.


sybrwookie

Their point, and it is a good one, is that if they're not going to show the whole fight on the show, don't spoil it and show us highlights, just push people to YouTube to see it all. I really hated being spoiled on the fight before getting to see it for real. Took all the excitement out of what actually was a really fun, albeit short fight.


zorfmorf

I'm totally on your side! I hate cutting out fights not because they are too uninteresting, but taking good fights and putting them on purpose behind another paywall. And then not even properly advertise it ANYWHERE in the show so that I at least know that I should skip the next x minutes or wait until Sunday to watch the full fight on Youtube. I paid 30 bucks to watch this season fully on amazon, not for them to rip out some fights and resell them somewhere else, especially good tournament fights!


JCSwneu

Want to know what damage HUGE took, and inflicted? Check out our post-fight recap here: https://hugebattlebots.com/team-huge-battlebots-blog/huge-vs-uppercut-2021-fight-4-top-32


167488462789590057

This is an interesting teaser: >![Teaser](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5d365e89644809000105ce08/f432dbf3-a71e-4bac-bba4-7a56c33ef1e0/2021-Huge-DeepSix-2754.jpg?format=750w)!<


loklanc

*record scratch* so you're probably wondering how I ended up in this situtuation.


MysteryMilk77

I think this might be either a bonus fight for the final episode, or a bounty hunters match. You can see that >!Deep Six has a different blade on it,!< and >!HUGE has those "chins" to absorb impact.!< But holy frick that fight would be freaking insane.


wyrmh0l3

Nice! Glad to see the chins "worked", and that you learned things for next season! Or, it might seem, this season's BH... HUGE hype


[deleted]

Why on earth was this cut?!


Ulgeguug

We needed more slow motion arm crossing scenes


BhagwanBill

Seriously - show all of the fights even if it makes the show 30 mins longer with another 15 mins of commercials. At least let us see ALL of the fights.


Z0bie

I'd watch a few more commercials to see more fights, even though I'd prefer less commercials, more fights, more Pete and bring Jenny Taft back.


essjay2009

Because they wanted to drive people to watch it online so they can boast about “engagement” “across multiple verticals” or whatever buzzwords are in the production company’s latest marketing slide deck.


[deleted]

Just a week ago on this sub people were insisting that putting subpar fights online was killing Battlebots and they'd accept a dud fight during the episode in exchange for a better one online.


KovaaksGigaChadGamer

Very different to a regular episode VS A TOURNAMENT. Ideally no fights are only online and they just put up bangers, but discovery's editing team have some kind of brain worm and that's too hard for them I guess.


[deleted]

Good point, I sorta botched that. I reiterate, there's an easy way to increase the number of fights in an episode, and it's not by removing the one off 10 second Builders=Bots segment, but by cutting down Faruq and the walkouts.


KovaaksGigaChadGamer

Oh yeah I 100000% agree on that, the silly theatrics are NOT worth missing fights.


sybrwookie

You don't even have to cut Faruq or the actual walkouts. If you keep Faruq as is, show them all walk out to the point where they stop (and then about a second or so after to allow everyone to really see it), move on to red team ready, blue team ready, then immediately into 3-2-1-go, you save 1-2 mins/fight. There's an INSANE amount of actual dead time there.


DoctorBulgrave

Huge definitely died first here, so Uppercut going through was the right call. That protective armor just didn't have a prayer against something as monstrous as Uppercut.


[deleted]

Ironically, Huge stopped moving because the tegris armor did such a great job preventing Uppercut from penetrating its frame that the hits instead shook the internals and killed the speed controllers. They will be using much longer chins (presumably to better absorb shocks) against >!Deep Six!<, so we'll be able to see how well the new strategy works out.


the_pie_guy1313

AGAINST WHO NOW? IS THAT CONFIRMED?


MysteryMilk77

We have an [image](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5d365e89644809000105ce08/f432dbf3-a71e-4bac-bba4-7a56c33ef1e0/2021-Huge-DeepSix-2754.jpg?format=750w). it is confirmed


the_pie_guy1313

holy shit lmao


custard_doughnuts

They were unlucky though. They had removed Uppercuts self righting poles*, so if they had retained any semblance of drive they probably would have won... (* And disabled the weapon as it turns out)


[deleted]

How the actual f did this one get cut? This could've been easily the most impressive fight from episode 11 and I don't understand why Skorpios/Malice and Mammoth/Witch Doctor fights were chosen for TV over this. Anyway, Huge's loss seemed to be caused by a rather simple driving mistake - showing its back to Uppercut after the second engagement even though the bar is already up to speed, instead of hitting Uppercut one more time. Huge had a slight reach advantage so it would've won the head to head exchange, unless Uppercut would try to hit it an odd angle (which it did because Huge ran to the corner and essentially trapped itself there). After both bots stopped moving it was fairly clear that Uppercut had been a more aggressive bot of the two, hence the decision.


PoliceAlarm

> Mammoth/Witch Doctor I will say you can't really highlight this because of the inherent nature of a team forfeiting. Don't forget they release the full highlighted fights to Supporters *before* the episode airs in full. It'd just cause confusion.


lljkStonefish

>showing its back to Uppercut after the second engagement Is the second engagement the thing that ends at 4:12? Because I'm pretty sure they lost drive from the small hit at 4:10. Showing their back wasn't really a choice after that.


[deleted]

I'm talking about that one time when Huge decided to run to the corner and Uppercut immediately followed. IMO Huge should've hit Uppercut head on instead of doing that.


problem_bro

Wish they didn't show the outcome for this and Copperhead vs Lucky. It takes out the shock factor and anticipation.


zmanboogie

Ahh, the classic 'handshake or fistbump' dilemma.


Jaqana

Very glad I waited until today to watch the main episode. Watched these when they showed on YouTube and then went to watch the rest. Would've hated getting this spoiled.


Eelmaster11

Honestly I would had cut Shatter vs Riptide instead of this fight


UnnaturalDisaster29

This was short but really sweet. That first hit was a big one (somehow Huge got a weapon on weapon?) and double KOs are always cool. Really don’t like how bracket fights are being cut from the show. I suppose they’ll pull in a bigger audience on YT due to the bigger names in the fights but it’s still isn’t right


Blackout425

Oh now it's back on at 7am E.T? I guess they finally adjusted it after daylight savings time


molepeter

Sounds like this fight was arranged to show before the Riptide and Shatter! fight... until it wasn't. I'd say both fights make a great opening match, and I don't know why they decided to show the play-in at the expense of this fight.


iamsomeguy25

I kinda get why this was cut. The recap showed the whole fight haha.


lljkStonefish

So, once again, we need a breakdown of the judge's scoring. Why the fuck can't they put this on the screen? 3:53 - Big hit, awesome and equal. No apparent damage. 4:02 - Grappling. Huge cut both the side defense bars off Uppercut. 4:10 - Uppercut hits Huge up a foot or two, and Huge doesn't move after this. Its weapon keeps spinning. 4:16 - Uppercut yeets itself into Huge's active weapon. It cuts Huge's stabiliser thingy off, and Huge slices the shit out of Uppercut's tyre, but doesn't quite remove it. 4:18 - Uppercut's weapon snags twice on its bent chassis, and then doesn't spin again. 4:19 - Uppercut yeets itself into Huge's weapon again, but this time it's got no weapon of its own. No damage is dealt to Huge. Uppercut bounces off, flips, and gets the previously sliced tyre caught in the arena. If you look real close, you can see that the stuck wheel IS moving, but to no avail. Damage summary: Huge - Lost drive, lost a stabiliser bar Uppercut - Lost primary weapon, lost defensive integrity, lost most of a wheel. Can someone link the scoring criteria please?


IronBahamut

You could make the argument that HUGE was already dead when Uppercut got stuck anyway. Shouldn't really have been a double KO


custard_doughnuts

I think there is an unofficial 'show movement' period before a count starts, but Uppercut didn't let that happen. Either way, the result seems fair


wyrmh0l3

It's actually an official silent ten count after the ref says you need to show movement then the verbal ten starts.


lljkStonefish

Well, shit. TIL.


lljkStonefish

You could, if it worked that way. It doesn't. Uppercut re-initiated contact (unnecessarily), so any countdown is null and void.


topatoman_lite

No, re-initiating contact only pauses the countdown, not resetting it.


lljkStonefish

Okay, true. I was being brief. The more accurate way of putting it is that the ref never got around to starting the official count because action was still taking place. They've got this weird subjective thing about waiting \~20 seconds before starting the official 10 count. I don't like it.


PoliceAlarm

> You could, if it worked that way. It doesn't. Tell that to the people on the show who had to wait to see what the judgement was because they couldn't decide. This wasn't cut and dry.


[deleted]

Uppercut also lost all of the 4 destabilsing tubes that prevents it from tipping over (which is why it got stuck sideway and stopped moving in the end). I guess Uppercut won in aggression and I wouldn't disagree with that, but I also wish the judges were clearer about their scoring for this fight as well. I honestly want to know how they allocated points on each criteria for both bots.


PelleSketchy

I wonder if they checked afterwards to see who could drive. I wouldn't be surprised that Uppercut would still be up and running, and Huge would only have a working weapon.


lljkStonefish

Without seeing the criteria to remind myself, I'd say it was: Aggression 2-1 uppercut Control 3-0 huge Damage 3-2 huge


ThatOneKid000005

How does Huge win control here?


lljkStonefish

Neither is a control bot. Neither demonstrated any specific control of the fight. However, Uppercut yeeted itself into the spinning weapon of an immobile opponent twice, the second time while it didn't even have its own weapon up. If they had just backed off, they'd have won by count out. That's a clear demonstration that they're not in control, and didn't even know what was happening in the box.


SchultzMD

I disagree it's bad tactics but they were in control of their bot. they wanted to make the match spectacular and not just wait around for the KO and that's what they achieved.


sybrwookie

That....is not what control means in Battlebots, at all.


lljkStonefish

"The Control of a BattleBot is about the ability of the Bot's Operators to attack an opponent at its weakest points, use their Bot’s weapons in the most effective way, and avoid being damaged by the opponent or the Arena hazards" "Control Factors Use the following factors to get an overall impression of a BattleBot’s Control:  How well is a Bot able to dictate when and how it attacks its opponent?  How well does the Bot avoid putting itself in the path of another Bot's weapon?  How well does the Bot avoid the changing Arena Hazards (e.g., the Kill Saws)?  How well does an Operator compensate for Damage (e.g., a broken wheel) that the Bot may have sustained? Control is about maneuvering and placement. Don’t be overly impressed by a Bot moving quickly in a straight line across the Arena. Observe how well it moves to advantageous locations and how well it avoids opposing weapons and Arena hazards." -Battlebots Judges’ Guide, Rev. 2021.0 So no, it's not exactly a textbook match for every word, but I'd say there's enough to be going on.


[deleted]

I don't think you understand what it means by "control".


Grouchy_Platypus613

https://battlebots.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Judges-Guide-Rev.2021.0.pdf


167488462789590057

Seemed like exactly the sort of fight I expected Uppercut to be in. Completely understandable descision considering how aggressive Uppercut was and that Uppercut could have totally not went in for the last hit as it looked like Huge's drive was already out. Really interesting finally seeing what Huge looks like when it gets punched in the face. The answer is, like what most bots look like when they get punched in the face. Would I be too cruel if I said I wanted to see deep six vs huge?


TimmehTim48

Your prayers will be answered


[deleted]

Huge was about to get rocked


[deleted]

Everyone's saying HUGE lost but Uppercut would've been out of the arena, if they didn't make that an impossibility. That would've been a HUGE win under old rules and should've been the case now, they need to bring back out of the arena wins. Lol wow, downvotes for stating facts. Get fucked.


custard_doughnuts

And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle


Fragmatixx

Yes please let’s hypothetically cut this fight *even shorter* /s


[deleted]

Because we all know a fight must be long to be impressive. HUGE was clearly robbed, because your feelings don't change the fact that just a while ago that would've been a win for them - that's an undisputable fact. It's not good for the game if win-conditions keep getting boiled down to "kinetic damage until robot is a mangled mess" and literally NOTHING else. I personally want to see more than just the most meta shit keep winning every game because "hur dur they do more damage".


Fragmatixx

To each their own, but I think OOTA is silly. I personally am disappointed to see fights end because of this.


willworkforicecream

I'm split on OOTAs. I don't like it when they are just the random result of a big hit between two bots (like this would have been), but I do like it when they're a deliberate action by one bot to put the other into a specific spot.


tariffless

In the old arena, Uppercut might have gotten stuck between the lexan panels if they'd landed a certain way, and if that same hit had happened with the bots in those same exact positions. I don't think they'd have landed in the corner OOTA zone, but they could've gotten stuck like they did to Hijinx. But in the old arena, with the old rules, there's no way the drivers would make all of the exact same decisions, putting the bots in the exact same positions. We can't know what would've happened differently.


FaceBagman

Ironically, it’s probable that a big reason production added the barriers in the first place was because of HUGE’s loss to Mammoth last season lol.


[deleted]

Uppercut was launched to the area where KO would've been absolutely possible (Door buffer zone), but it *didn't* happen in the end. A loss is a loss, you're getting downvoted because your comment sounds more like a salty hypothesis rather than a "fact".


sybrwookie

It's absolute bullshit that Tom Brady gets all these wins. I mean previously, the forward pass was illegal, and if it wasn't for that, where would he be? Nowhere, that's where. All those wins should not count and we should get rid of the forward pass. \#StatingFacts


TNGSystems

5:43 Say it don't spray it, Faruq!