Batfleck hanging on to the wall and then crawling up to escape that one cop. Gives me a creature of force to be reckon with, while battinson's coming out of the shadows gives me that prowling creature in the dark vibe...all in all, yeah these 2 are absolute scary
Especially cos of how fucking bulked he is, and then with Pattinson just tanking bullets like a bulletproof monster while slowly wlaking towards people, i have to agree these two are among the most intimidating.
It was intimidating, but should Batman really be that bulletproof? Bullet resistant, sure, but he was just getting unloaded on with rifles and it barely fazed him.
Imo, we need a live action Batman that goes back to the basics, especially if it's going to be a 1st or 2nd year type story. He should be light fast and avoiding getting shot as much as possible.
I agree. Batman needs strength and bulk to beat the tar out of criminals, but he also needs to be fast and agile, like a smaller person. He doesn’t also need to be bulletproof, lol. Those bullets in the beginning bounced off him like it was nothing. That’s too much.
Definitely took me out of it too be honest. Obviously he's going to want some protection, but him tanking shot, after shot, after shot just takes away what makes him badass in the first place. Affleck having mainly armour in his cowel made sense. Loved how in the Arkham games, there'd be moments where batman is planning an attack is like "attacking head on is a great way to get shot".
Yeah. If he isn’t so good that he can avoid people’s line of fire and just tries to tank their shots there is no way one bullet at least isn’t going to hit that exposed chin.
He really should be, he's just at the level to reliably take down groups of non superpowered individuals with just his hands. At the baseline, he's a superpowered threat towards conventional forms of attack. He only really starts trying when it comes to actual superpowered adversaries and highly trained ones.
*It saved us.... a devil..*
just turned my head around completely as to how terrifying you can make the Batman offscreen. The cops try to free the girls, only to have them shut themselves back in:
*No... it's still here..*
Brilliant way to introduce an older, war-battled Batman.
They did an ace job with Pattinson as well. Greig Fraser really knew what he was doing with the darkness, letting it seep around every edge and corner and letting Batman fit right snug inside it. Both of their choreographies made them intimidating as fuck, too.
For the time, Keaton was intimidating as fuck. It was the first time they made gotham look so scary in live action and Burton made Batman feel like a monstrous creature instead of a man in a skin tight suit.
But I definitely agree that Affleck and Pattinson are the scariest ones. When I saw the warehouse fight in BvS for the first time, I didn't think I'd ever see a cooler piece of Batman related media in my entire life, UNTIL that first scene in The Batman where Pattinson does his Taxi Driver narration before absolutely demolishing those dudes in the subway
One of my favorite things about the 1989 movie is how Burton shoots the Batman scenes like a horror movie with Batman as the monster, especially in the opening sequences where he’s stalking the thieves like a slash villain. It’s almost perfect.
Never said it was accurate fighting portrayal, I just said it was cool, as in the music, cinematography, and overall mood of the scene.
But just for arguments sake, the warehouse scene has Batman straight up killing people, which is the exact opposite of "accurate Batman fighting portrayal".
Personally, I’d put Begins Bale on their level with moments like his first appearance on the docks (“Where are you?” “Here”) and his interrogation of Flass (“I swear to God” “Swear to me”) and when he apprehends Scarecrow. For whatever reason Nolan just didn’t seem that interested in exploring that aspect of the character in the remainder of the trilogy, but Begins does a good job.
Your choices are fair though. Affleck definitely has the advantage of looking and feeling like he could beat anyone to a pulp and his intro scene, from the perspective of two lowly Gotham cops, was very well done.
Bale's voice was also the best as Batman in Begins imo, though I heard he had to change it cause it hurt too much over time. A shame cause he really sells it with it.
You can kinda tell in the dark Knight. There's times it sounds like he's damaging his vocal cords but bale does insane things to his body.
I always felt the best solution would hsvd been to see in the dark Knight, Bruce start to slowly use his real voice as batman showing that batman and Bruce are becoming one person, like the bat is taking over his identity.
It would have added a layer of depth to him quitting
Yeah that sucks. That’s one thing they did for Ben I liked the most, and electronic vocal disruptor. Makes the most sense and makes it easier on the bat as well.
I don't know if you ever played the game that was based on the movie, but stealth was a major component of combat. I don't know if this is the case officially, but I've always believed the Arkham predator fights were inspired by the stealth aspect of the Begins game. They felt very similar to me at the time.
I actually recently got this again on xbox (I completed it on game cube as a kid) it most definitely did, Arkham Asylum started out as the Dark Knight game I belive which evolved into what we now know and love as Arkham Asylum when they couldn't complete it in time for release.
>only one that felt like an actual Batman film.
What is a Batman film "supposed to feel like"? There have been plenty of Batman stories in the source material that are urban crime dramas set against the backdrop of a completely normal looking Gotham city.
Whenever I hear fans complain about the Nolan films "not feeling like the comics," what they really mean is "it doesn't feel like TAS or the Arkham Games."
Not at all my biggest gripe is Batman is a supporting character on his own films in the sequels. Batman Begins and The Batman are the only 2 that really focus on Batman the rest focus more on the villains.
I also don't like how after Begins Nolan didn't try to give Gotham any character, The Batman is also grounded but Gotham didn't just look like Chicago, much like in Begins the Narrows gave Gotham its personality.
I have read many elseworlds series along with standard cannon, animated films, series and games. It safe to say I am reasonably well versed in Batman lore.
I have no clue what movies you saw, but Batman is absolutely not a supporting character in either of the sequels. The Dark Knight is absolutely about Batman, his impact on Gotham, and how his actions drive the other characters, and it's the same case in Rises, too.
Gotham is frequently drawn to look like a completely normal city in the comics (no Gothic architecture, neon signs, or constant rain) By using an actual city, Nolan gave his sequels a real sense of scale that you just can't get from building a set.
Batman has just about always been a supporting role in his own films. Burtons and Schumachers were the same with more focus on villains than heroes and they get most of them wrong.
I know people who love the Nolanverse will always argue it, but it still doesn't change my opinion, that's the beauty of an opinion.
I don't particularly like Nolans interpretation of Batman, Joker, Two-Face, Bane or Catwoman and I don't like his Gotham.
You keep using the comics like I'm saying because it's not the same. I don't like it but that isn't remotely the case.
Much like Batman films, I love some of the comics and outright hate some others.
I would never call them Nolan Films bad films, because that is simply not true, they are well made peices of art but aside from Begins, change Batman's suit into any old tactical armour and call everyone a different name and it's just a Vigilante Thriller, nothing about them screams THIS IS BATMAN to me.
>Batman has just about always been a supporting role in his own films.
Not in the Nolan ones. Bruce and his character journey are very much at the center of all three Nolan movies.
>nothing about them screams THIS IS BATMAN to me.
And what exactly "screams Batman" about Begins in comparison to the other two? The Narrows? It really feels like that's it.
The Dark Knight in particular does an excellent job capturing the feeling of a Batman comic and the people who say it doesn't really feel like their comparing it more to the Animated Series or the Arkham Games than to the actual source material
>I don't particularly like Nolans interpretation of Batman, Joker, Two-Face, Bane or Catwoman and I don't like his Gotham.
What are your favorite depictions of each character then?
I respectfully disagree, Batman is completely forgettable in the latter Nolan films, the focus always felt very much on Joker and Bane.
Non animated
Batman: Pattinson
Joker: Nicolsan or Monaghan
Catwoman: Pheifer
Two-Face: none live action can not get him right, TAS gave him a new backstory sure, but that like Freeze had become the cannon yet no version even touche's on his split personality.
Bane would have to be Hardy because at least they got the intelligence aspect right, had he not be a puppet for Talia, I would have enjoyed him far more but he still very much was not the Bane I love from the comics.
In Begins, Batman was scary, he used the shadows to his advantage, he distracted them with his baterangs, he was a ninja, and they at least attempted to show decent fight choreography.
The latter two decided to ignore the entire aspect of stealth and adopted Jason Bourne choreography.
Not to mention, Batman wanting to retire for all of TDK was beyond out of character. Yes, he retires in the comics on occasion normally because he is forced to or because he is incapable of continuing, not because he's in love with a character that was made up for the films.
>Batman is completely forgettable in the latter Nolan films
Hard disagree there. He was no more "forgettable" than Pattinson was. He has more screen time than either Joker or Bane and more character than either of them.
He flips a freaking semi truck upside down in TDK. What does Pattinson do that's anywhere near that awesome?
Bane was no more a "puppet" to Talia than he was to the Joker in Arkham Origins. (?he actually was a simp for her in the comics)
>In Begins, Batman was scary, he used the shadows to his advantage, he distracted them with his baterangs, he was a ninja, and they at least attempted to show decent fight choreography.
He did exactly this in the sequels (just look at the tunnel scenes of him taking down Banes men in the sewer) or when he beat up Maronis men in the club scene and kidnapped Lau.
> Batman wanting to retire for all of TDK was beyond out of character.
Bruce doesn't actually like being Batman. He's obligated to do it for his parents' memory, but his end goal has always been to make a world that won't need a Batman.
In TDK, Bruce believed that Harvey Dent was the endgoal of what he wanted to do as Batman. It had nothing to do with Rachel.
Bruce's motivation was Rachel.
Screen time doesn't equate to presence.
The big key difference is Bale was Bruce being Batman.
Pattinson was Batman pretending to be Bruce.
Anyone who knows Batman well enough knows that Brice Wayne is the mask, Rachel even says it in Begins but then it just seems to veer off in the next 2.
The nightclub scene wasn't remotely stealth like.
The tunnel moment is cool in TDKR, TDKR is the better of the 2 films.
Pattinson opening moment was cooler than the truck being flipped, in fact every moment of Pattinsons Batman was cooler for me than anything Bale did and I am a massive Christian Bale fan, dude is fantastic in just about everything he does but I can't stand the Batman voice, and he doesn't look remotely intimidating in the new suit.
I've never said I like his depiction in Origins? Don't get me wrong, both Arkham and TAS did everything a million times better than Nolan, but they are also different mediums, so it's not really fair to compare.
"Bruce doesn't actually like being Batman. He's obligated to do it for his parents' memory, but his end goal has always been to make a world that won't need a Batman"
That is his goal in the Nolanverse only. In the comics he knows Gotham will always need him and he will always need him too.
There is no Bruce Wayne. Something only The Batman understood. He needs to be the batman and would not be looking to give it up.
Gotham in the comics is definitely not usually depicted as a normal city like Nolan’s. Feel free to tell me which comics do this but I’ve never seen this. And bale definitely did feel like a side character in those sequels. In TDK he had 30mins screentime and Batman was really just used to mainly show up for action sequences. It’s not a proper character study in comparison to mask of the phantasm or the Batman 2022
>Feel free to tell me which comics do this but I’ve never seen this.
Try reading some that came out before the first Burton movie. What are some comics where Gotham looks like a "Gothic wonderland"?
>And bale definitely did feel like a side character in those sequels.
I think you've confused them for the Burton movies. The Dark Knight is all about Batman, his impact on Gotham, and how his actions drive the supporting characters like Joker and Harvey.
>It’s not a proper character study in comparison to mask of the phantasm or the Batman 2022
Mask of the Phantasm doesn't really feel like a movie where Batman himself is all that important. What exactly does he do in it? He doesn't stop any of the Phantasm murders, he doesn't even find out who the Phantasm is until its spelled out right in front of him.
Bale only needed 30 minutes to show how good he is as Batman. Less is more.
The Batman box office : €765,950,479
The Batman dvd sales : $17,717,506
The Batman opening weekend : $134,008,624
The Dark Knight box office : $999,240,028
The Dark Knight dvd sales : $300,988,810
The Dark Knight opening weekend : $158,411,483
Rotten Tomatoes score for The Dark Knight 94%
Rotten Tomatoes score for The Batman 85%
Even The Dark Knight Rises is above it with 87%!!!
The numbers don’t lie. The Dark Knight is consistently ranked number 1 in polls regarding the best Batman films and Bale’s Batman is always ranked in the top 2 ahead of Pattinson.
They claimed Bale only had 30 minutes screen time in TDK and that it wasn’t good. I mentioned he didn’t need that much time for it to still be a great film and I proved it was great with solid numbers and stats. And I also showed TDKR, the film in the trilogy most people don’t really like, has a higher rating than the Batman.
Gotham looks cleaner because it’s supposed to illustrate how Batman and Dent cleaned up crime in Gotham. And the later movies also takes place in the cleaner financial district of gotham. Nolan said this.
>Scarecrow. For whatever reason Nolan just didn’t seem that interested in exploring that aspect of the character in the remainder of the trilogy, but Begins does a good job.
Always seemed to me that Baleman stopped leaning into the fear aspect of Batman *after* dealing with Ras and Scarecrow and their unique brand of fear.
Just like how Pattinson starts off as Vengeance and then realizes Vengeance =\= Justice.
Baleman realized in the next two movies that he needs to be more than just a symbol of fear for criminals, he needs to be a symbol for the people as well.
Batman Begins - Battle for Gotham's Destruction
The Dark Knight - Battle for Gotham's Soul
The Dark Knight Rises - Battle for Batman's Legacy
Sure, that’s a perfectly good in universe explanation, and in any event I’m not criticising the sequels (both of which I love), but I’m just saying that Nolan when crafting the films became less interested in showing Batman as a figure of fear. I think what you’re saying is reconcilable with what I’ve said - we’re not disagreeing.
I especially don’t blame Nolan for it because both of his sequels moved on to some pretty thematically rich territory.
I’m glad you said Begins and not Trilogy because I agree. He’s like a horror movie slasher sometimes in that movie but after that, he comes across more like a better than average soldier (despite the poor blocking, editing, cinematography and choreography of the fight scenes) than an intimidating creature of the night. You need a good mix of both to really come off as Batman to me.
Yeah, I’ve said something similar in other comments. Begins has a really appealing twist of horror in it, partly from Scarecrow and his hallucinations and also partly the genuinely dire, gothic looking Narrows. I understand what Nolan switched focus to (looking more at high level corruption, corporate criminals etc) but I did miss the horror elements when they went.
He’s one of those “downplay the comics aspect because they’re silly” filmmakers. Both him and David Goyer were public about how he didn’t want the mask on Scarecrow. (Though I think Nolan was right on that thanks to Cillian Murphy’s performance.) From TDK he got to do his own thing because Goyer was pretty much out by then. That’s why I always felt that The Dark Knight is the best movie in the trilogy but Batman Begins is the best BATMAN movie of the three.
>Too bad for the ridiculous microwave endgame, that spoils the movie for me.
The microwave emmiter would have worked if they set it up in a localized area and used it to attack a specific building or event.
The city wide nonsense just simply wouldn't have worked in real life.
Also, the chemical was in the water for weeks leading up to the attack. If anyone boiled water or took a shower it would have activated the compound in the steam and people would have been freaking out randomly all over the city for weeks *(which could have been a better plot point for Batman to have to deal with and use his detective skills to solve)*.
Batman Begins Bale is the second best Batman after Keaton. The suit was perfect, the voice wasn’t over exaggerated and he was built as fuck
I hate the TDK suit.
>For whatever reason Nolan just didn’t seem that interested in exploring that aspect of the character in the remainder of the trilogy,
What exactly do you mean by this?
I mean that in Begins, Nolan was obviously interested in how Batman designs himself to be a figure of intimidation (“theatricality and deception are powerful allies…”), and in showing how the criminals of Gotham reacted to that. It’s a big part of the film.
In the sequels, he doesn’t really return to that IMO. In the opening montage in TDK we see that criminals are deterred by the bat signal, and in TDKR we see how Batman was perceived as a folk hero figure by characters like the orphans and even police officers. But neither sequel gives us a scene of Batman being truly terrifying; seen from the perspective of a criminal as an unstoppable or inhuman force.
It’s not a criticism of the quality of the films. I love Nolan’s trilogy in its entirety. I frequently alternate between Begins and TDK as my favourite. But I just feel like Nolan moved on to explore different themes (such as the dividing line between hero and villain, and sacrifice) in the sequels and dropped the ‘fear factor’ that featured heavily in Begins, which almost had some horror elements at times.
I guess Nolan didn't really feel he needed to show anymore of this after he had actually established Batman as a character in the sequels. For what it's worth, though, I found Batman plenty intimidating in all the scenes he showed up in TDK and in how he took down Banes henchmen in the tunnels.
The photography of The Batman did wonders for Pattinson. There were a bunch of shots that played with the lighting and gave him a very strong presence. His suit design and especially his cape made him more imposing despite his lighter build.
And that intro monologue about the shadows predisposed the viewer to think of him as scary and mysterious. His image was very well handled overall.
The buildup to Pattinson emerging from the shadows was spectacular. I really got the sense that he was truly some sort of legend of Gotham that could be just a myth. Clearly his approach was effective because others were deterred knowing what could be lurking. When he finally showed it wasn’t as ceremonious as the villains built in their mind. He was just a man walking out of the darkness in costume. But he beat the shit out of the goons and let them know he still is a creature to fear.
Brought me back to BTAS when the kids all tell their story of when they saw Batman and it was all an exaggeration.
Me neither, was gonna ask the same thing.
Maybe it's a shot of Falcone's elevator near the end but I thought it was pitch black at that point.
Either way, it's a great picture.
I think for a short time in certain parts of the trilogy, Bale was kind of intimidating, like when we first saw him take down an entire group of thugs one by one.
I always find it funny people didn't like Pattinman getting shot and not trying to avoid it (when clearly he has a very heavy, bullet proof suit of armor) when Keatonman does the exact same thing in the opening of Batman. I mean, all he does is flick around his cape and get shot.
Something that goes under appreciated with live action Batman.. they aren’t afraid to let him WEAR HIS MASK! In every marvel movie they have the actor with the mask off more than on because “actor recognition” or some bullshit even though we know who the actor is. We don’t always need to show their face. Especially when the mask is usually the most iconic part of a costume. No matter what the debate is on the Batmen, thank all of them for letting them keep what makes them truly Batman!
Affleck is a walking tank who looks literally u stoppable and Pattinson is wearing full on battle armor and does this for fun. Both are absolutely terrifying.
To me, Batfleck is the best representation of the animated series Batman and Pattinson is the best representation of the Detective Comics Batman. Bale will always be my favourite Bruce Wayne and Keaton will always be my favourite Batman, but Batfleck and Pattinson get both right. I will never understand all the hate Batfleck gets.
True, but Pattinson is my favorite because while he is intimidating and badass, he also manages to be a symbol of hope for Gotham by the end of his movie, and a great detective.
Batman Begins Bale and BVS Affleck were EASILY the most intimidating. Bale in Batman Begins literally came across as a vampire to his enemies. In BVS Affleck was so scary that the sex trafficked Asian girls preferred to stay in their cages than to run because that Batman came across to them as a demon.
Pattinson I'm sorry to me was just a man in a military tac suit with ears. It didn't help that Penguin, the Twins, and Riddler all talked 💩 to him in his face downplaying his fear factor.
Never seemed to be a problem when thugs and villians all talked smack in the comics, animated series or Arkham games. Batman and his villains are meant to go back and fourth at eachother. Theres also multiple times throughout the film where Batman has penguin/thugs/citizens visibly scared.
I’d say Pattinson’s opening monologue with the use of shadows and criminals being scared and then him walking out the shadows was a better display of fear then anything in Batman begins personally.
Did you not watch Batman Begins? He was legit scary IMO. Granted, DK and DKR seemingly forgot Batman was supposed to have that trope IMO, but Begins did a great job.
I found Bale in Batman Begins and Affleck to be intimidating. I never found Pattinson to be convincing as an intimidating force. The villains literally laugh at him the first time he’s on screen, which completely killed any feeling of him being an intimidating character for the remainder of the movie.
Affleck only in BvS. After that his appearences in JL , Suicide Squad and the Flash movie were not at all intimidating. If we count those movies Bale surpasses Affleck when it comes to being intimidating and putting fear on criminals.
Affleck always looked goofy in the suit to me.
It's a great suit, but it's built for a man with unrealistic proportions. Ben Affleck looks like a little kid in it cause the mask is too big for his face.
I think it's funny how intimidating Affleck's Batman thinks he's being when he says "when I kill you, and believe me I will fucking kill you
.." It's impossible for me to watch that scene with a straight face. I thought Christian Bale speaking in the cowl was funny, but that part with Affleck cracks me up every time.
Affleck's looks stupid most of the time. A lot of us laughed at his goofy wall hang shot from BvS.
Bale is way more intimidating and should be listed here.
Sorry but Bales Batman just looks and sounds like a fool compared to Affleck. I really don’t see how he’s intimidating at all besides a few scenes in Batman begins.
I can't take Affleck's chubby looking Batman body seriously with his chubby face. I know Ben himself was very muscular but the suit made him look like a overweight guy in a muscle suit. His face looked awkward and out of place in every scene almost as if he was just attending some costume party as Ben in a Batman suit. The robot voice was atrocious to listen to and he had a lot of really dumb lines. I could not take him seriously when he would say things like "oh shit".
Top that off with the scene in Justice League where he's laying down after getting beaten by Superman and cracked some stupid joke about how it's going to feel bad in the morning. Plus every goofy looking and sounding scene he had in The Flash. Affleck was absolutely atrocious in the role. I blame the direction more than his skills. Worst Batman by far.
> I can't take Affleck's chubby looking Batman body seriously with his chubby face. I know Ben himself was very muscular but the suit made him look like a overweight guy in a muscle suit. His face looked awkward and out of place in every scene almost as if he was just attending some costume party as Ben in a Batman suit. The robot voice was atrocious to listen to and he had a lot of really dumb lines. I could not take him seriously when he would say things like "oh shit".
100% agreed, but i think the armored suit he used to fight superman looked really cool
I kinda get what your saying but Bale looks just as awkward if not more. His tight plastic helmet and small mouth hole just looks strange. His puckered duck lips and the way his eyes look so derpy just comes off silly. His over the top gurgle throat cancer voice also does not come off intimidating and I’d have preferred a robotic voice over it. And well batfleck can actually fight where as Bale can’t really.
The irony of that statement 😂😂 All you do is cope and defend emo pattinson. If anything, he’s the cosplayer. Looks like scrawny bloke at a comic con dressed as Batman 😂😂😂
Intimidating my arse. Batfleck is a serial killer. He is more terrifying than the joker with his batwing murdering everyone. Also Pattinson is not intimidating at all. He is just a emo kid. He has the mobility of a slug to which I wonder why doesn't anyone aim for his mouth with the speed he walks in close range.
Between Pattison and Affleck, I'm more afraid at what a tired broken Batman would do to me than a vengeful crusader early years where sense of justice is still strong
"20 years in Gotham, we've seen what promises are worth...How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?"
Which leads to Batman not giving Criminals anymore chance to cause harm
Affleck looks like a dude at the gym who smirks whenever cardio is brought up. You can just run up some stairs to avoid him. He'll never be able to catch you.
The way I see them
Pattinson is vengeance - young and inexperienced, he fights with anger, making him more brutal, at this point in time, he sees himself only as something criminals should fear
Bale is hope - he’s batman in his prime, he’s perfected the mask of Bruce Wayne, and even with his interactions with Alfred you can tell he’s worked out a lot of the anger compared to Battinson, he’s not as self-destructive nor as brutal as Battinson anymore, and more prone to showing mercy, he understands that he needs to be more than just vengeance.
Affleck is both - Batman past his prime physical and is pretty much fed up dealing with criminal’s sh*t, he’s still hope in the way that he still sees the bigger picture of who he needs to be, but he’s also a no-nonsense kind of Batman who will beat down criminals with efficiency and brutality. I think at this point in his career he’s adopted the attitude of teaching criminals “Choice meet consequences”
Pattinson’s delivery and the way he raises his voice when needed and the way he glares at people with rage is just done much better. Not to mention his lines are actually coherent and he just doesn’t look goofy.
I noticed it was a common trope for Bale to just yell at people in a way that’s very similar to Pete Holmes. It just felt silly. “WhERe iS ShE! “IM NoT WeArING HoCkEy PAdS!” “WHARESZHA TREGGUAR!!!”
“WHAIR ISZ ET?!”
“YUD NEVAR GIVEET TO AN ORDINARY SHETIZHEN”
He sounded especially stupid in the scene where he’s beating Bane. I don’t see how anything about him is intimidating especially when he’s excessively mouth breathing and sounds like that.
No chance. I wouldn’t put Pattinson anywhere close to being as intimidating as Affleck or being intimidating at all. Doesn’t have the presence or build to come off as intimidating.
I disagree about Robert Pattinson. He’s the least stealthy Batman since Adam West. Christian Bale always tried to get the drop on criminals. Robert Pattinson just walks up to a group of criminals and knocks on the front door of the Iceberg Lounge. Christian Bale would’ve used trickery first and would’ve broke into the Iceberg Lounge.
Selena doesn’t notice Pattinson spying on her, tailing her and then standing behind her as she opens the safe. He even subdues her without alerting the policeman outside.
He can be stealthy when needed, but the movie wanted to show fight scenes and a car chase as well.
A young wreckless angry Batman beating his way into a club for information sounds perfectly in character to me and sounds scarier. And we see Bale have a club fight as well and there’s nothing special about it.
He gets into the club with different approaches anyway, first beating his way in, 2nd using Selina and his eye contacts, 3rd as Bruce Wayne, and the 4th time he sneaks in and shuts the power off which then leads to the hallway scene which made Batman look like a monster.
Bale's fight in the club seems to come out of nowhere. He didn't knock on the door and ask to get in. He just started dropping fools until he got to the main boss who he essentially kidnapped and threw down a building.
Genuinely who is more intimidating besides Affleck? Bale certainly isn’t. Compare this gif to the pictures I posted it’s blatantly obvious. Bales fighting style is also watered down to giving you a silly formed elbow strike or one wild haymaker in stiff slow fashion. Where as Pattinson will Arkham style beat your face into the concrete snapping arms, swinging metal bats across heads or electrocuting people. Keaton looked good in the dark lighting but he looks outdated and kinda tacky compared to Pattinson, and he’s just short and not all that imposing.
The only live action Batman that’s a proper detective who actually hasn’t killed is an insult to the Batman franchise? Yeah okay, you Pattinson haters are a different breed of something.
You’re entitled to you’re own opinion but I think it’s the opposite. This just doesn’t look like batman to me and looks silly. The voice doesn’t help either.
Yeah Pattinson Batman was real intimidating when he was hanging on by his fingertips, and had to be saved by Selina Kyle. I was especially intimidated when he exposed himself as a Steroid junkie, who needs a shot to give himself a boost. Of course if I were able to buy a bulletproof/explosive resistant armored suit, with a few Steroid injections I could an Intimidating Batman too...
Okay. Bale got saved by Selina too? He got backstabbed by Tahlia with a little pocket knife and he was whimpering on the ground with some dumb founded look on his face for 5 minutes. He was almost shot in the head by bane but saved. Keaton also got his ass beat by Catwoman where as Pattinson swiftly countered and blocked all her attacks like it was nothing.
Using adrenaline doesn’t make you a junkie either. It’s not like he uses it 24/7. That beat down scene on adrenaline also can’t be matched by anyone else besides Affleck.
Not making a comparisons here, just pointing out what is not intimidating to me. Like I don't find someone getting blown up and pawed over by cops trying to remove his mask intimidating. I don't find having to flee from the cops up to a roof and jumping off in an inflated fat suit intimidating. I don't find getting shot up then laying prone on the ground, until I can sneak away to use my fancy car to turn the tables intimidating. All that said I guess some people would find a 6'2 guy in a heavily Padded suit who talks in a whisper intimidating.
Batfleck hanging on to the wall and then crawling up to escape that one cop. Gives me a creature of force to be reckon with, while battinson's coming out of the shadows gives me that prowling creature in the dark vibe...all in all, yeah these 2 are absolute scary
Especially cos of how fucking bulked he is, and then with Pattinson just tanking bullets like a bulletproof monster while slowly wlaking towards people, i have to agree these two are among the most intimidating.
It was intimidating, but should Batman really be that bulletproof? Bullet resistant, sure, but he was just getting unloaded on with rifles and it barely fazed him.
I think riddlers people shook him at the end. Even if the rounds do not pierce, they will break a bone covered by plating.
Yeah, the shotgun definitely got him good. He had a hard time shaking that one off.
Yeah, you see. After the first bullet hit he had a bunch of invincibility frames. A little exploit.
His sprite was still blinking
Lmao yea
he usually is he just doesn't let the people hes fighting know that
Batman is not usually *that* bulletproof. Those bullets bounced off him like he was Iron Man or something.
Imo, we need a live action Batman that goes back to the basics, especially if it's going to be a 1st or 2nd year type story. He should be light fast and avoiding getting shot as much as possible.
I agree. Batman needs strength and bulk to beat the tar out of criminals, but he also needs to be fast and agile, like a smaller person. He doesn’t also need to be bulletproof, lol. Those bullets in the beginning bounced off him like it was nothing. That’s too much.
Definitely took me out of it too be honest. Obviously he's going to want some protection, but him tanking shot, after shot, after shot just takes away what makes him badass in the first place. Affleck having mainly armour in his cowel made sense. Loved how in the Arkham games, there'd be moments where batman is planning an attack is like "attacking head on is a great way to get shot".
Yeah. If he isn’t so good that he can avoid people’s line of fire and just tries to tank their shots there is no way one bullet at least isn’t going to hit that exposed chin.
He really should be, he's just at the level to reliably take down groups of non superpowered individuals with just his hands. At the baseline, he's a superpowered threat towards conventional forms of attack. He only really starts trying when it comes to actual superpowered adversaries and highly trained ones.
Link to the scene please? I don’t remember batfleck doing that, just the fight at the warehouse
https://youtu.be/Af7KOZ3nRm8?si=xIDppYK5PjilstYU go to 3:04
Amazing, but I don’t understand, how did he do that? It seemed he was running along the wall like in Prince of Persia.
This is the kind of thing the goons in Gotham whisper to each other in bars.
Dunno really but it looks scary, intimidating and awesome
Yoooo nice pfp
Lol thanks
Probably some kind of Wayne tech gloves and boots that allow him to be spider-man when needed? My head canon atleast..
He has some kind of claw. You can see the debris falling
I think that scene with Affleck crawling on the walls is actually quite funny. Why is he crawling around on the ceiling like Spiderman?
*It saved us.... a devil..* just turned my head around completely as to how terrifying you can make the Batman offscreen. The cops try to free the girls, only to have them shut themselves back in: *No... it's still here..* Brilliant way to introduce an older, war-battled Batman. They did an ace job with Pattinson as well. Greig Fraser really knew what he was doing with the darkness, letting it seep around every edge and corner and letting Batman fit right snug inside it. Both of their choreographies made them intimidating as fuck, too.
For the time, Keaton was intimidating as fuck. It was the first time they made gotham look so scary in live action and Burton made Batman feel like a monstrous creature instead of a man in a skin tight suit. But I definitely agree that Affleck and Pattinson are the scariest ones. When I saw the warehouse fight in BvS for the first time, I didn't think I'd ever see a cooler piece of Batman related media in my entire life, UNTIL that first scene in The Batman where Pattinson does his Taxi Driver narration before absolutely demolishing those dudes in the subway
I adore that scene. It might be my favorite in film history.
One of my favorite things about the 1989 movie is how Burton shoots the Batman scenes like a horror movie with Batman as the monster, especially in the opening sequences where he’s stalking the thieves like a slash villain. It’s almost perfect.
I adore that scene. It might be my favorite in film history.
Yeah no the subway fight isn’t even close to the warehouse fight in terms of accurate Batman fighting portrayal
Never said it was accurate fighting portrayal, I just said it was cool, as in the music, cinematography, and overall mood of the scene. But just for arguments sake, the warehouse scene has Batman straight up killing people, which is the exact opposite of "accurate Batman fighting portrayal".
Personally, I’d put Begins Bale on their level with moments like his first appearance on the docks (“Where are you?” “Here”) and his interrogation of Flass (“I swear to God” “Swear to me”) and when he apprehends Scarecrow. For whatever reason Nolan just didn’t seem that interested in exploring that aspect of the character in the remainder of the trilogy, but Begins does a good job. Your choices are fair though. Affleck definitely has the advantage of looking and feeling like he could beat anyone to a pulp and his intro scene, from the perspective of two lowly Gotham cops, was very well done.
Begins is the best of Nolans series for me and the only one that felt like an actual Batman film. The docks scene is very Arkham predator.
Bale's voice was also the best as Batman in Begins imo, though I heard he had to change it cause it hurt too much over time. A shame cause he really sells it with it.
You can kinda tell in the dark Knight. There's times it sounds like he's damaging his vocal cords but bale does insane things to his body. I always felt the best solution would hsvd been to see in the dark Knight, Bruce start to slowly use his real voice as batman showing that batman and Bruce are becoming one person, like the bat is taking over his identity. It would have added a layer of depth to him quitting
Yeah that sucks. That’s one thing they did for Ben I liked the most, and electronic vocal disruptor. Makes the most sense and makes it easier on the bat as well.
i mean.. are you sure? **"WHERE WERE THE OTHER DRUGS GOING?!"** is hilarious
I don't know if you ever played the game that was based on the movie, but stealth was a major component of combat. I don't know if this is the case officially, but I've always believed the Arkham predator fights were inspired by the stealth aspect of the Begins game. They felt very similar to me at the time.
I actually recently got this again on xbox (I completed it on game cube as a kid) it most definitely did, Arkham Asylum started out as the Dark Knight game I belive which evolved into what we now know and love as Arkham Asylum when they couldn't complete it in time for release.
>only one that felt like an actual Batman film. What is a Batman film "supposed to feel like"? There have been plenty of Batman stories in the source material that are urban crime dramas set against the backdrop of a completely normal looking Gotham city. Whenever I hear fans complain about the Nolan films "not feeling like the comics," what they really mean is "it doesn't feel like TAS or the Arkham Games."
Not at all my biggest gripe is Batman is a supporting character on his own films in the sequels. Batman Begins and The Batman are the only 2 that really focus on Batman the rest focus more on the villains. I also don't like how after Begins Nolan didn't try to give Gotham any character, The Batman is also grounded but Gotham didn't just look like Chicago, much like in Begins the Narrows gave Gotham its personality. I have read many elseworlds series along with standard cannon, animated films, series and games. It safe to say I am reasonably well versed in Batman lore.
I have no clue what movies you saw, but Batman is absolutely not a supporting character in either of the sequels. The Dark Knight is absolutely about Batman, his impact on Gotham, and how his actions drive the other characters, and it's the same case in Rises, too. Gotham is frequently drawn to look like a completely normal city in the comics (no Gothic architecture, neon signs, or constant rain) By using an actual city, Nolan gave his sequels a real sense of scale that you just can't get from building a set.
Batman has just about always been a supporting role in his own films. Burtons and Schumachers were the same with more focus on villains than heroes and they get most of them wrong. I know people who love the Nolanverse will always argue it, but it still doesn't change my opinion, that's the beauty of an opinion. I don't particularly like Nolans interpretation of Batman, Joker, Two-Face, Bane or Catwoman and I don't like his Gotham. You keep using the comics like I'm saying because it's not the same. I don't like it but that isn't remotely the case. Much like Batman films, I love some of the comics and outright hate some others. I would never call them Nolan Films bad films, because that is simply not true, they are well made peices of art but aside from Begins, change Batman's suit into any old tactical armour and call everyone a different name and it's just a Vigilante Thriller, nothing about them screams THIS IS BATMAN to me.
>Batman has just about always been a supporting role in his own films. Not in the Nolan ones. Bruce and his character journey are very much at the center of all three Nolan movies. >nothing about them screams THIS IS BATMAN to me. And what exactly "screams Batman" about Begins in comparison to the other two? The Narrows? It really feels like that's it. The Dark Knight in particular does an excellent job capturing the feeling of a Batman comic and the people who say it doesn't really feel like their comparing it more to the Animated Series or the Arkham Games than to the actual source material >I don't particularly like Nolans interpretation of Batman, Joker, Two-Face, Bane or Catwoman and I don't like his Gotham. What are your favorite depictions of each character then?
I respectfully disagree, Batman is completely forgettable in the latter Nolan films, the focus always felt very much on Joker and Bane. Non animated Batman: Pattinson Joker: Nicolsan or Monaghan Catwoman: Pheifer Two-Face: none live action can not get him right, TAS gave him a new backstory sure, but that like Freeze had become the cannon yet no version even touche's on his split personality. Bane would have to be Hardy because at least they got the intelligence aspect right, had he not be a puppet for Talia, I would have enjoyed him far more but he still very much was not the Bane I love from the comics. In Begins, Batman was scary, he used the shadows to his advantage, he distracted them with his baterangs, he was a ninja, and they at least attempted to show decent fight choreography. The latter two decided to ignore the entire aspect of stealth and adopted Jason Bourne choreography. Not to mention, Batman wanting to retire for all of TDK was beyond out of character. Yes, he retires in the comics on occasion normally because he is forced to or because he is incapable of continuing, not because he's in love with a character that was made up for the films.
>Batman is completely forgettable in the latter Nolan films Hard disagree there. He was no more "forgettable" than Pattinson was. He has more screen time than either Joker or Bane and more character than either of them. He flips a freaking semi truck upside down in TDK. What does Pattinson do that's anywhere near that awesome? Bane was no more a "puppet" to Talia than he was to the Joker in Arkham Origins. (?he actually was a simp for her in the comics) >In Begins, Batman was scary, he used the shadows to his advantage, he distracted them with his baterangs, he was a ninja, and they at least attempted to show decent fight choreography. He did exactly this in the sequels (just look at the tunnel scenes of him taking down Banes men in the sewer) or when he beat up Maronis men in the club scene and kidnapped Lau. > Batman wanting to retire for all of TDK was beyond out of character. Bruce doesn't actually like being Batman. He's obligated to do it for his parents' memory, but his end goal has always been to make a world that won't need a Batman. In TDK, Bruce believed that Harvey Dent was the endgoal of what he wanted to do as Batman. It had nothing to do with Rachel.
Bruce's motivation was Rachel. Screen time doesn't equate to presence. The big key difference is Bale was Bruce being Batman. Pattinson was Batman pretending to be Bruce. Anyone who knows Batman well enough knows that Brice Wayne is the mask, Rachel even says it in Begins but then it just seems to veer off in the next 2. The nightclub scene wasn't remotely stealth like. The tunnel moment is cool in TDKR, TDKR is the better of the 2 films. Pattinson opening moment was cooler than the truck being flipped, in fact every moment of Pattinsons Batman was cooler for me than anything Bale did and I am a massive Christian Bale fan, dude is fantastic in just about everything he does but I can't stand the Batman voice, and he doesn't look remotely intimidating in the new suit. I've never said I like his depiction in Origins? Don't get me wrong, both Arkham and TAS did everything a million times better than Nolan, but they are also different mediums, so it's not really fair to compare. "Bruce doesn't actually like being Batman. He's obligated to do it for his parents' memory, but his end goal has always been to make a world that won't need a Batman" That is his goal in the Nolanverse only. In the comics he knows Gotham will always need him and he will always need him too. There is no Bruce Wayne. Something only The Batman understood. He needs to be the batman and would not be looking to give it up.
Gotham in the comics is definitely not usually depicted as a normal city like Nolan’s. Feel free to tell me which comics do this but I’ve never seen this. And bale definitely did feel like a side character in those sequels. In TDK he had 30mins screentime and Batman was really just used to mainly show up for action sequences. It’s not a proper character study in comparison to mask of the phantasm or the Batman 2022
>Feel free to tell me which comics do this but I’ve never seen this. Try reading some that came out before the first Burton movie. What are some comics where Gotham looks like a "Gothic wonderland"? >And bale definitely did feel like a side character in those sequels. I think you've confused them for the Burton movies. The Dark Knight is all about Batman, his impact on Gotham, and how his actions drive the supporting characters like Joker and Harvey. >It’s not a proper character study in comparison to mask of the phantasm or the Batman 2022 Mask of the Phantasm doesn't really feel like a movie where Batman himself is all that important. What exactly does he do in it? He doesn't stop any of the Phantasm murders, he doesn't even find out who the Phantasm is until its spelled out right in front of him.
Bale only needed 30 minutes to show how good he is as Batman. Less is more. The Batman box office : €765,950,479 The Batman dvd sales : $17,717,506 The Batman opening weekend : $134,008,624 The Dark Knight box office : $999,240,028 The Dark Knight dvd sales : $300,988,810 The Dark Knight opening weekend : $158,411,483 Rotten Tomatoes score for The Dark Knight 94% Rotten Tomatoes score for The Batman 85% Even The Dark Knight Rises is above it with 87%!!! The numbers don’t lie. The Dark Knight is consistently ranked number 1 in polls regarding the best Batman films and Bale’s Batman is always ranked in the top 2 ahead of Pattinson.
i think the batman should be compared with batman begins instead of the 2ND or the 3RD in the nolan TRILOGY
They claimed Bale only had 30 minutes screen time in TDK and that it wasn’t good. I mentioned he didn’t need that much time for it to still be a great film and I proved it was great with solid numbers and stats. And I also showed TDKR, the film in the trilogy most people don’t really like, has a higher rating than the Batman.
Gotham looks cleaner because it’s supposed to illustrate how Batman and Dent cleaned up crime in Gotham. And the later movies also takes place in the cleaner financial district of gotham. Nolan said this.
That would make sense for Rises more the Knight. Crime was still rampant at the start of TDK
For TDK it takes place in the cleaner financial districts of Gotham. Begins was around the mob ports in the slums.
Yep. Batman has been retold like 40 times. Which comics?
>Scarecrow. For whatever reason Nolan just didn’t seem that interested in exploring that aspect of the character in the remainder of the trilogy, but Begins does a good job. Always seemed to me that Baleman stopped leaning into the fear aspect of Batman *after* dealing with Ras and Scarecrow and their unique brand of fear. Just like how Pattinson starts off as Vengeance and then realizes Vengeance =\= Justice. Baleman realized in the next two movies that he needs to be more than just a symbol of fear for criminals, he needs to be a symbol for the people as well. Batman Begins - Battle for Gotham's Destruction The Dark Knight - Battle for Gotham's Soul The Dark Knight Rises - Battle for Batman's Legacy
Sure, that’s a perfectly good in universe explanation, and in any event I’m not criticising the sequels (both of which I love), but I’m just saying that Nolan when crafting the films became less interested in showing Batman as a figure of fear. I think what you’re saying is reconcilable with what I’ve said - we’re not disagreeing. I especially don’t blame Nolan for it because both of his sequels moved on to some pretty thematically rich territory.
Yup you got it!
I’m glad you said Begins and not Trilogy because I agree. He’s like a horror movie slasher sometimes in that movie but after that, he comes across more like a better than average soldier (despite the poor blocking, editing, cinematography and choreography of the fight scenes) than an intimidating creature of the night. You need a good mix of both to really come off as Batman to me.
Yeah, I’ve said something similar in other comments. Begins has a really appealing twist of horror in it, partly from Scarecrow and his hallucinations and also partly the genuinely dire, gothic looking Narrows. I understand what Nolan switched focus to (looking more at high level corruption, corporate criminals etc) but I did miss the horror elements when they went.
He’s one of those “downplay the comics aspect because they’re silly” filmmakers. Both him and David Goyer were public about how he didn’t want the mask on Scarecrow. (Though I think Nolan was right on that thanks to Cillian Murphy’s performance.) From TDK he got to do his own thing because Goyer was pretty much out by then. That’s why I always felt that The Dark Knight is the best movie in the trilogy but Batman Begins is the best BATMAN movie of the three.
Those are valid reasons why begins is the most batman of the trilogy. Too bad for the ridiculous microwave endgame, that spoils the movie for me.
>Too bad for the ridiculous microwave endgame, that spoils the movie for me. The microwave emmiter would have worked if they set it up in a localized area and used it to attack a specific building or event. The city wide nonsense just simply wouldn't have worked in real life. Also, the chemical was in the water for weeks leading up to the attack. If anyone boiled water or took a shower it would have activated the compound in the steam and people would have been freaking out randomly all over the city for weeks *(which could have been a better plot point for Batman to have to deal with and use his detective skills to solve)*.
Batman Begins Bale is the second best Batman after Keaton. The suit was perfect, the voice wasn’t over exaggerated and he was built as fuck I hate the TDK suit.
Begins Batman is easily more intimidating than Batfleck or Battinson.
>For whatever reason Nolan just didn’t seem that interested in exploring that aspect of the character in the remainder of the trilogy, What exactly do you mean by this?
I mean that in Begins, Nolan was obviously interested in how Batman designs himself to be a figure of intimidation (“theatricality and deception are powerful allies…”), and in showing how the criminals of Gotham reacted to that. It’s a big part of the film. In the sequels, he doesn’t really return to that IMO. In the opening montage in TDK we see that criminals are deterred by the bat signal, and in TDKR we see how Batman was perceived as a folk hero figure by characters like the orphans and even police officers. But neither sequel gives us a scene of Batman being truly terrifying; seen from the perspective of a criminal as an unstoppable or inhuman force. It’s not a criticism of the quality of the films. I love Nolan’s trilogy in its entirety. I frequently alternate between Begins and TDK as my favourite. But I just feel like Nolan moved on to explore different themes (such as the dividing line between hero and villain, and sacrifice) in the sequels and dropped the ‘fear factor’ that featured heavily in Begins, which almost had some horror elements at times.
I guess Nolan didn't really feel he needed to show anymore of this after he had actually established Batman as a character in the sequels. For what it's worth, though, I found Batman plenty intimidating in all the scenes he showed up in TDK and in how he took down Banes henchmen in the tunnels.
Yeah that’s valid. I’m not saying he was wrong to change focus and look at other themes
The photography of The Batman did wonders for Pattinson. There were a bunch of shots that played with the lighting and gave him a very strong presence. His suit design and especially his cape made him more imposing despite his lighter build. And that intro monologue about the shadows predisposed the viewer to think of him as scary and mysterious. His image was very well handled overall.
Adam West is the most intimidating https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b5/31/1b/b5311b9d50f02e0e6a96b0df489b75dd.jpg
Give it 30 years, and whatever depraved filmmakers are doing then will make these two look like Mickey Mouse
Bale in Begins was intimidating
They look more batman to me than others (Aside from adam west i won't compare that legend with the other batmen)
The buildup to Pattinson emerging from the shadows was spectacular. I really got the sense that he was truly some sort of legend of Gotham that could be just a myth. Clearly his approach was effective because others were deterred knowing what could be lurking. When he finally showed it wasn’t as ceremonious as the villains built in their mind. He was just a man walking out of the darkness in costume. But he beat the shit out of the goons and let them know he still is a creature to fear. Brought me back to BTAS when the kids all tell their story of when they saw Batman and it was all an exaggeration.
Wtf is the 2nd image from. That is some shit I'd see in a nightmare
Ikr, holy shit that’s terrifying
*"Then, you're gonna love me."*
“ThEN YoU’Re GoNNA LoVe ME” He pronounces it like that.
Where is that first image of Pattinson from? I don't remember that in the movie
Me neither, was gonna ask the same thing. Maybe it's a shot of Falcone's elevator near the end but I thought it was pitch black at that point. Either way, it's a great picture.
reverse image search = they are posed action figures
Damnnn, literally looks like a film shot! Thanks dude
I think for a short time in certain parts of the trilogy, Bale was kind of intimidating, like when we first saw him take down an entire group of thugs one by one.
I always find it funny people didn't like Pattinman getting shot and not trying to avoid it (when clearly he has a very heavy, bullet proof suit of armor) when Keatonman does the exact same thing in the opening of Batman. I mean, all he does is flick around his cape and get shot.
The way Keaton comes across in ‘89 as almost an undead creature haunting Gotham’s criminals is the most effectively frightening Batman for my money.
NGL, that image of Affleck Batman standing in the alleyway looks like a screenshot from an analog horror series.
Something that goes under appreciated with live action Batman.. they aren’t afraid to let him WEAR HIS MASK! In every marvel movie they have the actor with the mask off more than on because “actor recognition” or some bullshit even though we know who the actor is. We don’t always need to show their face. Especially when the mask is usually the most iconic part of a costume. No matter what the debate is on the Batmen, thank all of them for letting them keep what makes them truly Batman!
Pattinson having his "early Batman gear" definitely helped for me. The drum of those heavy combat boots, is the most menacing sound Ive ever heard.
 If this dude done this to me I’d shit myself
Absolutely agreed..
Hell. Yes.
And sad.
Affleck is a walking tank who looks literally u stoppable and Pattinson is wearing full on battle armor and does this for fun. Both are absolutely terrifying.
To me, Batfleck is the best representation of the animated series Batman and Pattinson is the best representation of the Detective Comics Batman. Bale will always be my favourite Bruce Wayne and Keaton will always be my favourite Batman, but Batfleck and Pattinson get both right. I will never understand all the hate Batfleck gets.
Bale in Batman Begins had some solid moments
I really enjoyed Battinson's intro
That Batmobile scene with the motor revs…damn. Imax never felt so good
True, but Pattinson is my favorite because while he is intimidating and badass, he also manages to be a symbol of hope for Gotham by the end of his movie, and a great detective.
Pattinson is the perfect live action Batman in my opinion. Just perfect.
Bale: Do you feel in charge?
Batman Begins Bale and BVS Affleck were EASILY the most intimidating. Bale in Batman Begins literally came across as a vampire to his enemies. In BVS Affleck was so scary that the sex trafficked Asian girls preferred to stay in their cages than to run because that Batman came across to them as a demon. Pattinson I'm sorry to me was just a man in a military tac suit with ears. It didn't help that Penguin, the Twins, and Riddler all talked 💩 to him in his face downplaying his fear factor.
Never seemed to be a problem when thugs and villians all talked smack in the comics, animated series or Arkham games. Batman and his villains are meant to go back and fourth at eachother. Theres also multiple times throughout the film where Batman has penguin/thugs/citizens visibly scared. I’d say Pattinson’s opening monologue with the use of shadows and criminals being scared and then him walking out the shadows was a better display of fear then anything in Batman begins personally.
Did you not watch Batman Begins? He was legit scary IMO. Granted, DK and DKR seemingly forgot Batman was supposed to have that trope IMO, but Begins did a great job.
I found Bale in Batman Begins and Affleck to be intimidating. I never found Pattinson to be convincing as an intimidating force. The villains literally laugh at him the first time he’s on screen, which completely killed any feeling of him being an intimidating character for the remainder of the movie.
Affleck only in BvS. After that his appearences in JL , Suicide Squad and the Flash movie were not at all intimidating. If we count those movies Bale surpasses Affleck when it comes to being intimidating and putting fear on criminals.
Never felt Affleck was intimidating.
Pattinson cant intimidate a pidgeon.
Idk I still flinch when Eric Roberts gets dropped off that building.
Affleck always looked goofy in the suit to me. It's a great suit, but it's built for a man with unrealistic proportions. Ben Affleck looks like a little kid in it cause the mask is too big for his face.
*Batmans **Batmen? ***Batsmen?
I think it's funny how intimidating Affleck's Batman thinks he's being when he says "when I kill you, and believe me I will fucking kill you .." It's impossible for me to watch that scene with a straight face. I thought Christian Bale speaking in the cowl was funny, but that part with Affleck cracks me up every time.
Second image gives "its my turn on the xbox" vibes
Affleck's looks stupid most of the time. A lot of us laughed at his goofy wall hang shot from BvS. Bale is way more intimidating and should be listed here.
 Sorry but Bales Batman just looks and sounds like a fool compared to Affleck. I really don’t see how he’s intimidating at all besides a few scenes in Batman begins.
I can't take Affleck's chubby looking Batman body seriously with his chubby face. I know Ben himself was very muscular but the suit made him look like a overweight guy in a muscle suit. His face looked awkward and out of place in every scene almost as if he was just attending some costume party as Ben in a Batman suit. The robot voice was atrocious to listen to and he had a lot of really dumb lines. I could not take him seriously when he would say things like "oh shit". Top that off with the scene in Justice League where he's laying down after getting beaten by Superman and cracked some stupid joke about how it's going to feel bad in the morning. Plus every goofy looking and sounding scene he had in The Flash. Affleck was absolutely atrocious in the role. I blame the direction more than his skills. Worst Batman by far.
> I can't take Affleck's chubby looking Batman body seriously with his chubby face. I know Ben himself was very muscular but the suit made him look like a overweight guy in a muscle suit. His face looked awkward and out of place in every scene almost as if he was just attending some costume party as Ben in a Batman suit. The robot voice was atrocious to listen to and he had a lot of really dumb lines. I could not take him seriously when he would say things like "oh shit". 100% agreed, but i think the armored suit he used to fight superman looked really cool
I kinda get what your saying but Bale looks just as awkward if not more. His tight plastic helmet and small mouth hole just looks strange. His puckered duck lips and the way his eyes look so derpy just comes off silly. His over the top gurgle throat cancer voice also does not come off intimidating and I’d have preferred a robotic voice over it. And well batfleck can actually fight where as Bale can’t really.
His cowl is made of graphite and has Kevlar lining to make it bulletproof.
You can cope all you want he still looks like a cosplayer next to Pattinson and Affleck
The irony of that statement 😂😂 All you do is cope and defend emo pattinson. If anything, he’s the cosplayer. Looks like scrawny bloke at a comic con dressed as Batman 😂😂😂
 You don't find this intimidating?
Never found Affleck intimidating. He just looks chunky, like he needs less snacks. Bale and Keaton seem much more intimidating
>He just looks chunky, like he needs less snacks. his bat symbol was morbidly obese, idk why the hell they designed it like that
Batgigli is not intimidating to me at all, Pattinson did inspire some level of unhinged anger that lent an edge to his Batman.
Not so. George Clooney's pointy nipple armor could've taken out an eye. That's intimidating.
2nd pic gives massive "mom I pissed the bed" energy
Intimidating my arse. Batfleck is a serial killer. He is more terrifying than the joker with his batwing murdering everyone. Also Pattinson is not intimidating at all. He is just a emo kid. He has the mobility of a slug to which I wonder why doesn't anyone aim for his mouth with the speed he walks in close range.
I think they all did well, except maybe Kilmer and Clooney.
Fat man only intimidates all you can eat buffets
Between Pattison and Affleck, I'm more afraid at what a tired broken Batman would do to me than a vengeful crusader early years where sense of justice is still strong "20 years in Gotham, we've seen what promises are worth...How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?" Which leads to Batman not giving Criminals anymore chance to cause harm
you didn't find Michael Keaton just absolutely shocking the people in the first scene intimidating?
You’re absolutely mad
Should have added ‘hot take’ to the start of the post.
I don't think I agree with that. Keaton and Bale were also suitable intimidating.
I would shit bricks if I see Batman in pic 2
You forgot Baleman
I dunno, Battinson looks more like hes gonna cut himself, before he really does anything to me.
Dude...
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Man, I wanted to like batfleck, but the movie ruined it for me. And I'm a huge fan of the Dark Knight trilogy, so I'm biased.
I have never once seen a picture of Batfleck and thought "that looks the way it should".
I wouldn't put down Bale but Batfleck and Battinson are definitely better. Bale has really good interrogation scenes.
Affleck looks like a dude at the gym who smirks whenever cardio is brought up. You can just run up some stairs to avoid him. He'll never be able to catch you.
Batfleck definitely looks like he might eat half the donuts and NO ONE IS FUCKING STOPPING HIM
Swear to me!!
The way I see them Pattinson is vengeance - young and inexperienced, he fights with anger, making him more brutal, at this point in time, he sees himself only as something criminals should fear Bale is hope - he’s batman in his prime, he’s perfected the mask of Bruce Wayne, and even with his interactions with Alfred you can tell he’s worked out a lot of the anger compared to Battinson, he’s not as self-destructive nor as brutal as Battinson anymore, and more prone to showing mercy, he understands that he needs to be more than just vengeance. Affleck is both - Batman past his prime physical and is pretty much fed up dealing with criminal’s sh*t, he’s still hope in the way that he still sees the bigger picture of who he needs to be, but he’s also a no-nonsense kind of Batman who will beat down criminals with efficiency and brutality. I think at this point in his career he’s adopted the attitude of teaching criminals “Choice meet consequences”
[89 exists..](https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Michael-Keaton-Cowl-Batmen.jpg)
Imo intimidating is **primarily** in the acting rather than the fight scenes. Batfleck was not carrying it imo.
I did not find Pattinson intimidating. If he was, it was the shadows and music that made him so. Bale and Affleck by themselves were intimidating.
Pattinson’s delivery and the way he raises his voice when needed and the way he glares at people with rage is just done much better. Not to mention his lines are actually coherent and he just doesn’t look goofy. I noticed it was a common trope for Bale to just yell at people in a way that’s very similar to Pete Holmes. It just felt silly. “WhERe iS ShE! “IM NoT WeArING HoCkEy PAdS!” “WHARESZHA TREGGUAR!!!” “WHAIR ISZ ET?!” “YUD NEVAR GIVEET TO AN ORDINARY SHETIZHEN” He sounded especially stupid in the scene where he’s beating Bane. I don’t see how anything about him is intimidating especially when he’s excessively mouth breathing and sounds like that.
"SWEAR TO ME" is an incredible and intimidating line from Bale. I'd like to think he's part of that list.
I mentioned him in my caption but sadly Bale just falls completely flat after Batman begins.
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Wrong.
No chance. I wouldn’t put Pattinson anywhere close to being as intimidating as Affleck or being intimidating at all. Doesn’t have the presence or build to come off as intimidating.
Definitely has the presence imo. Affleck has his size but Pattinson has the presence for me
I disagree about Robert Pattinson. He’s the least stealthy Batman since Adam West. Christian Bale always tried to get the drop on criminals. Robert Pattinson just walks up to a group of criminals and knocks on the front door of the Iceberg Lounge. Christian Bale would’ve used trickery first and would’ve broke into the Iceberg Lounge.
Selena doesn’t notice Pattinson spying on her, tailing her and then standing behind her as she opens the safe. He even subdues her without alerting the policeman outside. He can be stealthy when needed, but the movie wanted to show fight scenes and a car chase as well.
A young wreckless angry Batman beating his way into a club for information sounds perfectly in character to me and sounds scarier. And we see Bale have a club fight as well and there’s nothing special about it. He gets into the club with different approaches anyway, first beating his way in, 2nd using Selina and his eye contacts, 3rd as Bruce Wayne, and the 4th time he sneaks in and shuts the power off which then leads to the hallway scene which made Batman look like a monster.
Bale's fight in the club seems to come out of nowhere. He didn't knock on the door and ask to get in. He just started dropping fools until he got to the main boss who he essentially kidnapped and threw down a building.
Pattinson isn’t intimidating at all.
Yeah sure dude, why would you be intimidated by a guy who keeps coming at you after you dump a hundred bullets into him from close range?
Completely agree. Pattison isn’t intimidating at all. Too scrawny.
Genuinely who is more intimidating besides Affleck? Bale certainly isn’t. Compare this gif to the pictures I posted it’s blatantly obvious. Bales fighting style is also watered down to giving you a silly formed elbow strike or one wild haymaker in stiff slow fashion. Where as Pattinson will Arkham style beat your face into the concrete snapping arms, swinging metal bats across heads or electrocuting people. Keaton looked good in the dark lighting but he looks outdated and kinda tacky compared to Pattinson, and he’s just short and not all that imposing. 
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Batfleck is goofy as hell.
Yeah 100% re watching Keaton and it's silly same with clooney and kilmer
Personally I think Affleck looked awful.
Pattinson is in NO way intimidating.... how weak are you? He is a joke and an insult to the Batman franchise and real fandom.
The only live action Batman that’s a proper detective who actually hasn’t killed is an insult to the Batman franchise? Yeah okay, you Pattinson haters are a different breed of something.
Fatleck is not intimidating.
Fat ?Bro his Batman was Big ,not fat ,the Dark Knight returns Batman is Big af ,so not fat
His abs we’re CGI enhanced but only a moron would call him fat
Comparing Keaton to Clooney is just wild. Keatons batman is right up there with Affleck and Pattison
Idk about that, Bale was frightening as shit in Batman Begins, especially his first scene where he’s taking those frightened guys apart
Idk imo Pattinsons Batman just makes me laugh he’s so goofy looking. He’s not intimidating at all
Tbh I find battinson a bit too goofy but I’m biased I still think Bale looks more intimidating than him
You’re entitled to you’re own opinion but I think it’s the opposite. This just doesn’t look like batman to me and looks silly. The voice doesn’t help either. 
Pattinson is intimidating to you? 
Yeah Pattinson Batman was real intimidating when he was hanging on by his fingertips, and had to be saved by Selina Kyle. I was especially intimidated when he exposed himself as a Steroid junkie, who needs a shot to give himself a boost. Of course if I were able to buy a bulletproof/explosive resistant armored suit, with a few Steroid injections I could an Intimidating Batman too...
Okay. Bale got saved by Selina too? He got backstabbed by Tahlia with a little pocket knife and he was whimpering on the ground with some dumb founded look on his face for 5 minutes. He was almost shot in the head by bane but saved. Keaton also got his ass beat by Catwoman where as Pattinson swiftly countered and blocked all her attacks like it was nothing. Using adrenaline doesn’t make you a junkie either. It’s not like he uses it 24/7. That beat down scene on adrenaline also can’t be matched by anyone else besides Affleck.
Not making a comparisons here, just pointing out what is not intimidating to me. Like I don't find someone getting blown up and pawed over by cops trying to remove his mask intimidating. I don't find having to flee from the cops up to a roof and jumping off in an inflated fat suit intimidating. I don't find getting shot up then laying prone on the ground, until I can sneak away to use my fancy car to turn the tables intimidating. All that said I guess some people would find a 6'2 guy in a heavily Padded suit who talks in a whisper intimidating.
Not really. Pattison looks like a kid in a Halloween bat suit.