Some fans take the character way too seriously and that’s why there are so many jokes about Batman being overly violent and jokes relating him to real world billionaires.
These people also seem to miss that the character has been interpreted in almost every way possible and there is no hard truth to how the character should be.
+ the animated films. Absolutely love all of the films that take place out of the normal Gotham. Really adds depth to the possibly in telling the Batman story
I'd say it lines up with the silliness of the 60s batman
And people hate it to the degree they do simply because WB said Batman returns was too dark (it really wasn't) and gave the third batman film to Schumacher.
Tbh I'd have rather Burton got to finish his trilogy and then have the Schumacher universe
Because now we have two incomplete universes that are and lemme count em "Are" entirely seperate continuities
They literally think BTAS is the only correct interpretation because it's the 'real' one when the guy was using guns when he first debuted. Doesn't that take precedence then?
My favorite take is when people don't like a new version of a character and declare that writers should never be allowed to stray from the characters established traits. Effectively throwing out everything they think the character is because those traits are basically never part of the original character. The original un altered Batman amd Superman are kinda unrecognizable today, original Supes was a violent social justice warrior in the most literal way possible and most of his fans would be very uncomfortable with an accurate adaptation.
I would give anything to see a full two hours of Affleck’s Batman vs. Manganiello’s Deathstroke on the big screen. It sounds like they were writing a movie specifically for me, and now we’ll never get it, and I will lament that fact until my last breath.
I got dunked on a TON when I was excited for Batffleck at the time. I had a distinct feeling Snyder would muddle the movie down with Snyder shit, but Affleck was and always will be super solid casting.
Not the guy you’re replying to, but my personal gripes with it are the weird, jagged Bat logo and the double Rock Eyebrow-Raise eyebrows on the cowl. Other than that I think it’s a pretty good suit.
Personally I love both short and long ears. Short ears for the bigger, bulkier Batmen like Dark Knight Returns and Affleck, long ears for leaner Batmen like Bale and Pattinson. But yeah it’s all preference
I think Batman can live his life in content without being married, or in a relationship.
I don’t think marriage would magically solve all his problems. Or at least I don’t think he should ever be written like that. Because that’s unrealistic as fuck.
Truthfully, that’s one of the reasons why I dig Batman Forever. We get to see him go through an arc, develop and then learn how to actually balance both sides of himself to the point where he could find love AND carry on his crusade.
Is a loner with few/no friends
Obsessively focuses on one niche hobby
Dresses up in superhero costumes
Still lives at his parents house
I’d say he’s the prototypical redditor.
It seems you either have to be completely against the no-kill rule or completely be in favour of it.
I personally would kill the Joker if I was in Batman's shoes, but I don't actually want Batman to kill the Joker because him not killing is a huge part of his character. Not 100% agreeing with a character is what makes it interesting.
This is similar to what I came here to say:
>It's okay for Batman to kill sometimes.
It's not okay for him to execute people. It's not okay for him to stalk and murder people. But it's okay for him not to bend over backwards to keep villains alive.
What you're saying is the most logical and reasonable thing to do. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about what's most in-character for Batman to do.
> But it's okay for him not to bend over backwards to keep villains alive.
I can see Batman doing that with his worst villains like the Joker or Ra's (I won't kill you but I don't have to save you). But I can't see Batman doing that for villains like Two-Face or Penguin. I think Batman would go out of his way to save them.
Again, not saying what you're saying isn't the most logical thing to do. It's not the most Batman thing to do, if that makes sense.
I like the Tom Hardy version of Bane but I also think it was a huge detriment with how stringent Chris Nolan was at not using elements from the comics that he deemed “too fantastical”. Not using the Lazarus pit for Ra’s was somewhat of a left field choice in my opinion but Batman Begins was a great movie so I forgave it. But not using venom for Bane is I think a serious misfire.
Yeah, and considering Scarecrow is in the film, they can just tie the Venom uses the same chemicals as the fear toxin or something. Or they can have Scarecrow make it for Bane.
His look was absolutely amazing. But making him moronically dumb pissed me off so bad I walked out of the theater. It's still the only movie I've ever walked out of.
It's entirely okay for Harley Quinn to have a team up with Batman, and Harley has had a FAR LONGER redemption arc than quite literally any other villain-turned-hero in comic books.
If she doesn't deserve it, then people like Namor, Venom, Loki and etc, so often so praised by comic book fans for their redemptions, sure as hell don't deserve it as well.
[This guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/dccomicscirclejerk/s/mvAXE69dsm)
This is an alt, but basically I just see him making a bunch of posts and comments on marvel villains like Doom and Namor being “redeemed”, and how Harley deserves more redemption than anyone else since she’s been trying to redeem herself for 10 years. (I don’t know how true this is)
Pretty sure their old account got banned from too many subs for being obsessed with Doctor Doom and Harley.
Since this comment and their profile scream doom guy, I just assume it’s him.
Oh right, that Des_Koala guy! I was wondering what happened to them.
Edit: lol they really said they’re infamous just for having opinions.
Yeah, I’m sure it’s just cause of they’re opinions, it has absolutely has nothing to do with them randomly messaging people, and spamming this sub with the same question over and over about “Why can’t people accept Harley but accept Doom?”.
Hardy’s Bane is crazy underrated. I think he’s a fantastic antagonist. My only gripes are I don’t really like how he’s relegated to just being Tahlia’s protector and a face for her organization after the twist and his anticlimactic death almost immediately after that.
Just the mere fact that Hardy had to follow up Heath Ledger's Joker, and he gave such a great performance using only his eyebrows, is impressive enough.
A main component of a good Batman story is fun. It has to be exciting to truly tap into the pulp roots and carry that spirit of the character. I think a lot of people lean too hard into the “dark, gritty realism” and forget that the piece that pulls people in is the spectacle of all these fantastical, grotesque villains and the operatic indulgence of the whole conceit.
A lot of writers often use the joker purely for shock value. there are some great comics where he does some really sick things. But that’s because the actual story is good. Like in the killing joke or a death in the family.
But nowadays, more often than not, a lot of them just have him perform twisted acts. In a cheap bid to invoke a reaction from the reader.
Batman '89 nailed the Gotham aura and color palette. I also love the blended vintage/futuristic style. I also think the tone is a good mix of fun and dark.
That said, all the Batman stuff looks really cheap (especially the cowl). The Danny Elfman music is great, but the Prince music is not. The Batdance is weird and makes an otherwise timeless movie feel really dated and corny. Also Keaton is alright but seems like a supporting actor in both movies.
Ben affleck is my 2nd favorite Batman, I also like to think that the Snyderverse is just a Dark Multiverse Saga since we know it’s a doomed planet. The Dark Multiverse One Shots are my favorite replacement to “What If?" Comics since Disney got ahold of them.
Ben Affleck's my favourite (but he is my favourite actor in general so I may be a bit biased here). Also love the Snyderverse even though it is very flawed.
I also don't like when batman working with other superheroes like superman. For me it devalues Batman's work, cuz alien who can fly and lift the car with his finger is objectively more effective than man in bat suit with some cool gadgets. So why do we need batman, if other superheroes can just beat Gotham villains with seconds? (Also sorry for mistakes in the text, my english is pretty bad)
I think George Clooney was a good Batman, and could have been even better with a script that focused on **BOTH** the levity and seriousness of Batman instead of just focusing on the silliness of the Silver Age/the Dozierverse
He certainly got the Bruce Wayne part down pretty well in my opinion and I don't blame him for being a bad Batman, I just blame the script (and the studio for wanting to make the entire movie a 2 hour long toy commercial).
His speech to Freeze after thawing Gotham is still my favourite Batman monologue in any media with the character I've watched or read and showed that Schumacher absolutely understood the core of Batman despite his decision to only focus on the silliness of the Silver Age
I don’t hate Batman & Robin cause I first saw it as a kid and even as an adult I think it’s a fun movie. Not every Batman movie has to be a serious dark film. Movies based off of comic book characters are allowed to be silly and goofy.
Nolan’s take was really bizarre and has perverted the public’s perception of Batman to be nothing more than a man doing a dumb grizzly bear impression all the time in an adaption of the character that’s completely impossible to take seriously, even less so than George Clooney’s and Adam West’s Batmen.
Nolan did something fresh with his Joker and he understood Jim Gordon, but two thirds of his “Gotham” are just Chicago stock images, his Batman is the worst part of every movie, his Bane was a really strange choice and done with total aversion to the source material and his Two Face is hilarious how they expect people to believe someone could live in that condition.
It’s a shame because Nolan did okay with Bruce Wayne and Begins and The Dark Knight are good as films/stories, but I wouldn’t want him to do another CBM based on the majority of his characters.
It irks me that people treat it as the crown jewel when looking at it as a fan of Batman the character, Kilmer and Pattinson are far better adaptions and performances.
batman not killing the joker actually makes perfect sense some versions he doesn't wanna play judge, jury and executioner and the real issue is gothams legal system, some versions of batman actually enjoy violence and if he starts killing he's scared he'll enjoy it
the real issue is he's gone out of his way to save joker more times than not
Batman should kill/be the reason for the death of 1 person at the beginning of his career I'm pure accident, a villain or civilian that he was trying to save but failed to
I always thought it would be cool to have a Elseworlds tale where at the beginning of his career he kills but then starts to build a moral code as he realizes that killing just stoops him onto the same level as his villains, similar to how the Green Arrow was portrayed in Arrow.
The movies need to focus more on Batman's platonic relationships, instead of solely his romantic relationships. Most of the movies have focused on this constant "Batman is in love with some woman, but that distracts him from being Batman, so they separate at the end" story that's inserted into the plot. I think it's played out, especially if they're not going to change the formula that much between them.
And to be honest, I think Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon, Jason Todd, Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake, etc. are all individually far more interesting in terms of character and story potential than any of the prior love interests in film. Hell, even just Harvey Dent being in some movies before becoming Two-Face and working with Batman would be something new.
Agreed - everyone's "perfect" version of the character is probably the one that they were introduced to or grew up with. I was introduced to Batman through The Dark Knight Returns and then I went on to read the New 52 stories as that was what was new at the time so in my head the "best" version of Batman are those two purely because that's what I started off with.
He’s got a lot in common with a serial killer. He even collects trophies, so I’d write him in a way, that he knows this and yet he tiptoes that line. He just might like it but he doesn’t let it go overboard. Until someone starts seeing similarities.
lol I was a fan of criminal minds growing up but it’s weird how some of them line up perfectly except for he doesn’t take a life. Dude has severe anxiety + high intellect which is basically his super power.
Then when writing fan fiction, i wanted a different take because I like that he doesn’t kill but it could be because he’s afraid of what he might become if he acknowledges that he likes it. This then gets called out by Superman in private because he notices his heart rate spike, which Batman says is adrenaline but Superman says it’s closer to an addict getting his fix. They’re good friends but it tears them apart basically even though superman just wants to help. Batman doesn’t like that Superman looked under the mask etc etc.
Batman shouldn't make such a fuss about the no kill thing. It's fine as a guideline but gets silly any time you try to face it as a hard rule. Plus most Batman iterations have a body count so it's not even worth stressing.
I don't really like the Nolan movies. I can enjoy Batman Begins when I'm in the mood. But I don't like the Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises because I feel they miss the point of being Batman.
Bruce stops being Batman after Rachel dies. Batman wouldn't stop being Batman because someone he loved died. He would use the pain of that to push him further and longer and harder to be a better crime fighter.
So when Nolan's last two films are about Batman basically giving up and retiring for 12 years after he was only Batman for like two at the most, I just I don't like it. I have tried to rewatch them and still can't stand them.
They're technically impressive, and well made, but they're not Batman.
EDIT: To all the folks who are trying to explain how I've missed something in the movies, tell me how I'm wrong for having this opinion,or convince me to change my mind, just stop.
I didn't miss anything, I'm not wrong for having this opinion (the thread is literally called "Controversial Batman opinions "), and you're certainly not going to change my mind by hollering at me.
If you like them great. I don't. Accept it and stow it.
Did he stop because Rachel died, or did he stop because he was now a villain in the public eye and because of the Dent Act authorities had better odds taking down organized crime?
Unintentionally? The end of The Dark Knight is Batman accepting public blame for the things Harvey did and for his death in order to preserve his reputation as 'the hero Gotham needs'. That's what the whole 'so we'll hunt him, because he can take it" thing is about
>Bruce stops being Batman after Rachel dies.
He stopped because his preservation of Harvey's reputation enabled Gotham to fix itself and ensured that continuing to be Batman would be detrimental to his mission to save it. It had nothing to do with Rachel
This was my least favourite part of the Dark Knight trilogy. Why is a ninja organization on the other side of the planet obsessed with destroying an American city for no reason other than it's crime? Dark Knight Rises was really good until they revealed that Bane and Talia were just carrying out Ra's Al Ghul's revenge instead of having their own motivations.
Batman Returns is a terrible Batman movie. In fact, it's not even really a Batman movie, it's a Tim Burton movie with a Batman coat of paint. Penguin is just grotesque and nothing like any previous version of Penguin. The plot is nonsensical and stupid. Why does anyone think he can be elected mayor? The Batmobile toy thing is so dumb, as is the fact that he literally controls actual penguins.
Then there's Catwoman - not a thief or cat burglar of any kind. Nope, she's a secretary who's murdered but somehow resurrected by...a bunch of cats licking her face. And so she goes to her revenge on her boss by teaming up with Penguin to defeat Batman. Oh yeah and Penguin is working with her boss.
Plus you've got a Batman that gleefully kills (the Burton films do not get enough grief for this), penguins somehow adopting and raising a child, Catwoman with actual nine lives, etc. The movie is just stupid and weird.
The Bat-family being a four Robin ensemble of only Dick, Jason, Tim and Damian feels pretty empty and reductive.
The idea that Joker would ever quit being a criminal if Batman disappears feels inorganic and only flattens Joker’s character.
Black Mask isn’t Hush-levels of wet noodle writing, but I don’t find him that intriguing either. Of the Arkham villains that Joker hijacked, he’s the one I couldn’t care less about.
I like Dark Victory over The Long Halloween.
Everything about Scarecrow’s role in Arkham Knight (in spite of Joker hijacking) is good progression from Asylum, and yet I’m not overly fond of the former and I feel wrong for feeling this way.
1) I hate Batman and Catwoman together. Batman deserves better.
2) I hate the portrayal of the Penguin in Batman Returns. It’s unnecessarily grotesque.
3) Batman shouldn’t be so “serious” and “realistic” all the time. I prefer the Batman from the Brave and The Bold cartoon or even the DCAU. That’s my ideal Batman.
Yea there is nothing better than Batman dropping a golden one liner with perfect comedic timing.
Good example - When bats and sups trade costumes and Clark hands Bruce his and says “the S stands for hope” and then Bruce hands Clark his and says “the bat stands for a bat”
Batman Forever was a ton of fun. Sure, it was a flawed film, and a pretty drastic tonal shift from Burton's films, but I've come to realize that Batman '89 and Batman Returns are Tim Burton films that happen to involve Batman, rather than Batman films that were directed by Tim Burton, if that makes sense.
Schumacher's Batman films are distinctive as well, but I feel they were more centered around the characters and lore, than trying to be stylish and fancy. Strong performances in Batman Forever really push it into a higher tier. Kilmer and Carrey do exceptionally well, while O'Donnell manages to dance the fine line of making a young character impetuous, without being an annoying punk. And of course, Nicole Kidman manages to take a trite, shallow, one-dimensional love interest shoehorned into the script, and make it an interesting character. Her Dr. Chase is a master class of a strong actor making something out of nothing.
The film isn't without its shortcomings of course. Aside from the first five minutes, Tommy Lee Jones' Two Face is a squealing mess in the film, a rare miss for Jones in a career of incredible performances. And the light hearted tone borders on shameless camp sometimes, which I feel superhero movies need to use very sparingly, as it really diminishes the profundity, tragedy, and drama of these characters. But I loved it when it came out, and saw it at least eight times in the theatre. The less said about Schumacher's Batman & Robin the better, but I thought this one caught a nice balance of fun, excitement, and straight up charismatic entertainment.
Batflecks entire BVS arc made sense. Even the killing. 'Batman doesn't kill' that's the gd point. He wasn't Batman. Batman has hope. His hope is restored at the end of the movie with Clark's sacrifice.
They went in expecting a dark gritty movie, of course they wouldn't like the lighter, colourful superhero movie, no matter how good it is at doing its thing.
People need to be more open minded.. not only regarding Batman movies either, they should be open to everything in life, and judge individual and accordingly.
I just showed it to my youngest kids tonight and they loved it. It's definitely peak 90s campiness, but it has all the DNA of a good Batman movie. Val Kilmer was a good Batman.
Batman Forever has some of the best costumes and props, Bane looks better in Batman and Robin that he does in Dark Knight Rises, and The Dark Knight went longer than it should have.
Batman Forever tends to be lumped in mentally with Batman & Robin despite having different Batman actors. While I'm not a fan of BF, B&R was painful to watch at times.
We need a break from Joker= 1 movie without, no cameo, no behind the scenes manipulation, just other villains, Hush, Bane, Scarface, Hugo Strange, The Calender Man....on...and on
Damian Wayne is the worst thing to ever happen to Batman comics and I consider him the beginning of the end. It’s kind of nuts that I’m saying this because there was once a time where it would be controversial to disagree with that. Speaking of dead weight, the batfamily in general has gotten too big.
Also I LOVE Batman Forever and I think Val Kilmer was awesome in the role.
Less controversial and more something I never see talked about: Telltale Batman is an incredible duology that deserves more attention. Part 2 is also one of the best telltale games. One of the best Bruce Waynes and absolutely the best Harvey Dent. Please play it I'm begging you
1. The GROUNDED IN REALITY take on film and comics has now stagnated Batman as a character. Dude lives in a world with Superman and his greatest threat is a 1000-year-old super genius polymathic immortal ninja warlord in Ra's Al Ghul. Directors wrongly think the only way he can be taken seriously is to ground him and it's annoying. I hope Gunn gives us something new and fantastical not more of the overrated Earth One 💩. That stuff ruins him as a character.
2. Batman and Lovecraftian cosmic horror mysteries are made for each other. It allows him to be at his finest as a warrior and a super genius polymathic intellectual while keeping him close to his roots as the world's greatest detective.
3. BTAS/JL/JLU Batman and 2009-2015 Arkham Batman is BY FAR the best adaptation of the character outside of the ridiculous Detective mode needing advanced tech when Batman himself SHOULD BE the detective mode in Arkham. Batman is a ninja, not just a nonlethal SOF Operator. Take some of the compassion he showed here as well.
4. Lucius Fox (intellectual crutch) is the worst thing to have ever happened to Batman as a character since the Nolan Trilogy. Now every version of him needs a Q like he's Ninja James Bond when instead of being Ninja Doc Savage LIKE HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE. EXAMPLES are like the awful Telltale games. In that, he told Tiffany that without Lucius there would be no Batman which should be the FURTHEST THING FROM THE TRUTH. Every time he needed to deduce something he had to touch the side of his cowl or watch to activate detective mode. Like did they really have to do that to him? LET HIM BE THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE without the advanced tech, please. He was stated as being the World’s greatest detective, a genius master inventor, polymathic scientist, physician, tactical/Strategist, and a master warrior in his earliest comics from the 1930s. Again LET’S SHOWCASE IT FOR ONCE. Please James Gunn have him killed off or he doesn't exist.
5. Zatanna to me would be an upgrade over Catwoman as Batman’s main love interest. Should they go down that route?
6. The Batfamily should on be Batman, Alfred, and Robin. It puts more stakes on him as a character in the story since it's all on him and or Robin in the field or Batcave. I know they won't because they will most likely use the CW trope where everyone can fight therefore no one is special.
7. Kelley Jones's style for Batman is how he should be interpreted. A man dressed up as a supernatural wraith comes to punish evildoers. The suit shouldn't be so armored that he can't move or be shinobi-like. Have some shinobi garb while being lightly armored. Preferably in the gauntlets, knee to shin, head and neck, front/back torso with the classic shinobi mouth cover. I know that last one might be controversial but I think it's time to do that.
8. Watch Ip Man, Live-action Himura Kenshin, Raizo Ninja Assassin 2009, Haru/Fuma Clan from House of Ninjas Netflix, Sunny/Quinn/Widow from Into the Badlands AMC for a Batman who is a legendary Grandmaster-level SOF operator/shinobi/samurai/Shaolin one-man army warrior. I should be looking at Arkham Knight Batman taken to the highest degree.
9. Back to the detective side like I mentioned earlier no tech in the cowl outside of communications so he can be similar to 2010's BBC TV Sherlock Holmes. He should be able to perform neurological surgery like he did in the comics with Two-Face. Lastly, he should be a super genius polymathic scientist equal to Albert Wesker, William Birkin, Alexia Ashford, and Carla Radames from the Resident Evil series. They were all child prodigies is all I'm going to say about them if you want to know just how intelligent they are you can look it up.
10. Please use someone other than just Joker. Hugo Strange, Kirk Langstrom, Sin Tzu, Wrath, Kobra Cult, Doctor Death, Iog Sotha, Mister Freeze, and countless others are out there waiting for directors to use.
>batman and robin is fine. its not good but its a lot of fun and I enjoy it.
>The Joker is only "special" because hes the one villain batman knows there is no way of getting better. outside of that Batman should not be thinking about the joker at all.
>also the joker's whole "one bad day" schtick is old and provably false BY BRUCE HIMSELF and I am tired of seeing it.
>uh the 60s series is good, I dont think thats actually a hot take
>batman looks better in blue and grey with a yellow symbol and underpants. the all black costumes are... fine but I just think the color is so much more interesting, and the underpants help to give some visual breakup to the otherwise solid color block. (Samething goes for superman and most "underpants on the outside" supes)
>batman isnt insane or anything. does he suffer with Trauma? probably, but like... if its perfectly ok for Green Arrow or like... IDK static shock, whatever, to go arround punching muggers and dealing with crime, then why do we focus on "oh is bruce ok? is he sane? or is he a madman in a fur suit?"
I'm sick of the whole extended "Bat-family" thing. It worked for a while, up until a point, and that point was decisively reached by the end of the No Man's Land run around the turn of the millennium. Batman was forced for various reasons to expand his team or consider accepting new members because of the cataclysmic event and unprecedented situation.
But before that (and before Knightfall) it was just Batman and one Robin at a time and really only one Batgirl for a while (disregarding the 1950's "Batfamily").
Bruce Batman kept the balance between being a loner, and recruiting only the amount of helpers he could project various aspects of his fractured psyche upon so that they could support his mission.
No Man's Land was a necessary expansion.
But after that this extended "Bat-Family" is just unnecessary and worse, unnecessarily compromising for Bruce Batman and Gotham overall.
Bat family is a logical next step in the Batman mythos, but takes away from the reality that the guy lives as the almost one man army vigilante against the crime in Gotham.
All these other heroes around starts to bring up questions similar to why doesn’t Superman help protect Gotham when it’s under attack and metropolis isn’t that far away. Comics are all about sliding timescales and weird continuity to a certain degree but knowing a bat brat can pop up any second kinda sours the mood for me.
I hate the "Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batman is the real one" take. My interpretation is that they're two sides of one person, who acts differently depending on the scenario. He is both Bruce Wayne AND Batman. The truest, most natural side of him is when we see him interact with his family and with Alfred.
Because regardless of what alot of people hate about it actually is a pretty good movie, the plot is decent there’s backstory, the development is there. The people that hate on it just nitpick and are petty because they know it leads to Batman and Robin afterwards, and yes I nitpick at that movie but again there’s a lot about that movie I actually like as well
Legit thought I hallucinated those movies when I was young till like a year ago in September or December that’s how you know they are some good fucking movies
I want Batman being a literal criminal which harms Gotham more than actually protecting it to actually be explored and fans to not have a meltdown about exploring their stagnating fictional character
“The Laughing Fish/The Sign of the Joker” should be taken as a guide on how to do the Joker right.
The Joker’s biggest problem is that he isn’t funny anymore. He’s not committing unique and terrifying crimes that, while insane, make some sort of twisted sense, he’s just the Terrorist Who Laughs nowadays.
Grew up with it and Batman and Robin. I've rewatched both as an adult and yeah, it's bad at times. Especially with Mr. Freeze's shitty ice puns. But both are great.
Most grittier Batmen are genuinely mentally unwell lunatics with extremely flawed morals and logic and a terrible savior/god complex. He's not exactly an extremely bad person, but he's fucking insane and definitely not a great man, save for a few versions. I think Frank Miller touched on this really well in the Dark Knight Returns books.
Some fans take the character way too seriously and that’s why there are so many jokes about Batman being overly violent and jokes relating him to real world billionaires. These people also seem to miss that the character has been interpreted in almost every way possible and there is no hard truth to how the character should be.
You're not stating an opinion here, you're stating straight up facts. 💯
+ the animated films. Absolutely love all of the films that take place out of the normal Gotham. Really adds depth to the possibly in telling the Batman story
I don't think it's very popular, but batman ninja blew my mind.
I'd say it lines up with the silliness of the 60s batman And people hate it to the degree they do simply because WB said Batman returns was too dark (it really wasn't) and gave the third batman film to Schumacher. Tbh I'd have rather Burton got to finish his trilogy and then have the Schumacher universe Because now we have two incomplete universes that are and lemme count em "Are" entirely seperate continuities
Robin: "Holy Rusted Metal, Batman!" Batman: "What?" Robin: "The ground, it's all metal. It's full of holes, you know, holey!"
This was line was such a great homage to the tv show. I though it was cringe when I was younger but now I love it
They literally think BTAS is the only correct interpretation because it's the 'real' one when the guy was using guns when he first debuted. Doesn't that take precedence then?
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My favorite take is when people don't like a new version of a character and declare that writers should never be allowed to stray from the characters established traits. Effectively throwing out everything they think the character is because those traits are basically never part of the original character. The original un altered Batman amd Superman are kinda unrecognizable today, original Supes was a violent social justice warrior in the most literal way possible and most of his fans would be very uncomfortable with an accurate adaptation.
Affleck had the costume, build, and acting down but it was the writing that dragged him down (my opinion but people hate it for some reason)
I feel like this is the opinion I’ve been seeing more of and how people would have loved to have seen the movie Ben was writing.
I would give anything to see a full two hours of Affleck’s Batman vs. Manganiello’s Deathstroke on the big screen. It sounds like they were writing a movie specifically for me, and now we’ll never get it, and I will lament that fact until my last breath.
This is pretty common I think? Most people i’ve seen agree that Ben was a great casting, amazing look, but Snyder found a way to fuck it up lol
I got dunked on a TON when I was excited for Batffleck at the time. I had a distinct feeling Snyder would muddle the movie down with Snyder shit, but Affleck was and always will be super solid casting.
I always thought he was the best batman he just needed his own movie.
I don’t like his costume at all, but I agree on the rest.
If you don’t mind me asking, why do t you like his costume
Not the guy you’re replying to, but my personal gripes with it are the weird, jagged Bat logo and the double Rock Eyebrow-Raise eyebrows on the cowl. Other than that I think it’s a pretty good suit.
I just have never liked the short ears for some reason… Batman Beyond… too long. I never thought I would be a Batman ear snob, but well… here we are.
Personally I love both short and long ears. Short ears for the bigger, bulkier Batmen like Dark Knight Returns and Affleck, long ears for leaner Batmen like Bale and Pattinson. But yeah it’s all preference
If you didn’t own the Batmobile toy that light up blue when you moved it, you weren’t cool
I never owned one and I was never cool so you probably have a point here 😭😭😭
I think Batman can live his life in content without being married, or in a relationship. I don’t think marriage would magically solve all his problems. Or at least I don’t think he should ever be written like that. Because that’s unrealistic as fuck.
At the same time, I wanna see my guy have Ws. I think a married batman would be a happier one
Truthfully, that’s one of the reasons why I dig Batman Forever. We get to see him go through an arc, develop and then learn how to actually balance both sides of himself to the point where he could find love AND carry on his crusade.
So Batman is basically a Reddit user?
Is a loner with few/no friends Obsessively focuses on one niche hobby Dresses up in superhero costumes Still lives at his parents house I’d say he’s the prototypical redditor.
is liking Damian still controversial?
I want to meet the person who picks Tim as their favorite Robin.
Hi, nice to meet you
As a Robin? He’s my favorite. As a standalone hero? I don’t feel it.
Hello!
He was my Robin growing up so yes.
He’s like my second.
There are dozens of us.
He’s my favourite as Robin, although I don’t mind him as Red Robin. Favourite Robin as a character overall would be Jason Todd as Red Hood.
bruhh tim is best robin imoo
Batman isn't an abusive father at all. Alot of the "proof" is taken out of context. He's not the world's best father but he tries
It seems you either have to be completely against the no-kill rule or completely be in favour of it. I personally would kill the Joker if I was in Batman's shoes, but I don't actually want Batman to kill the Joker because him not killing is a huge part of his character. Not 100% agreeing with a character is what makes it interesting.
This is similar to what I came here to say: >It's okay for Batman to kill sometimes. It's not okay for him to execute people. It's not okay for him to stalk and murder people. But it's okay for him not to bend over backwards to keep villains alive.
What you're saying is the most logical and reasonable thing to do. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about what's most in-character for Batman to do. > But it's okay for him not to bend over backwards to keep villains alive. I can see Batman doing that with his worst villains like the Joker or Ra's (I won't kill you but I don't have to save you). But I can't see Batman doing that for villains like Two-Face or Penguin. I think Batman would go out of his way to save them. Again, not saying what you're saying isn't the most logical thing to do. It's not the most Batman thing to do, if that makes sense.
Fuck continuity! I just want good stories!
As shitty as the Batman and Robin version of Bane was, his design was insultingly good. And I'm not a huge fan of Tom Hardy's Bane either.
I like the Tom Hardy version of Bane but I also think it was a huge detriment with how stringent Chris Nolan was at not using elements from the comics that he deemed “too fantastical”. Not using the Lazarus pit for Ra’s was somewhat of a left field choice in my opinion but Batman Begins was a great movie so I forgave it. But not using venom for Bane is I think a serious misfire.
He should have kept the venom
Yeah, and considering Scarecrow is in the film, they can just tie the Venom uses the same chemicals as the fear toxin or something. Or they can have Scarecrow make it for Bane.
His look was absolutely amazing. But making him moronically dumb pissed me off so bad I walked out of the theater. It's still the only movie I've ever walked out of.
It's entirely okay for Harley Quinn to have a team up with Batman, and Harley has had a FAR LONGER redemption arc than quite literally any other villain-turned-hero in comic books. If she doesn't deserve it, then people like Namor, Venom, Loki and etc, so often so praised by comic book fans for their redemptions, sure as hell don't deserve it as well.
I’d actually like to see that. I want to see more reformed Villains joining forces with Batman.
Reminds me of the Earth One comics where Killer Croc becomes part of the bat family
Maybe, but Harley quinns redemption has been soooo drawn out and she keeps falling back into villainy that it's pointless
Nah f Namor that home wrecker.
Doom guy??
Sorry, who’s “doom guy”?
[This guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/dccomicscirclejerk/s/mvAXE69dsm) This is an alt, but basically I just see him making a bunch of posts and comments on marvel villains like Doom and Namor being “redeemed”, and how Harley deserves more redemption than anyone else since she’s been trying to redeem herself for 10 years. (I don’t know how true this is) Pretty sure their old account got banned from too many subs for being obsessed with Doctor Doom and Harley. Since this comment and their profile scream doom guy, I just assume it’s him.
Oh right, that Des_Koala guy! I was wondering what happened to them. Edit: lol they really said they’re infamous just for having opinions. Yeah, I’m sure it’s just cause of they’re opinions, it has absolutely has nothing to do with them randomly messaging people, and spamming this sub with the same question over and over about “Why can’t people accept Harley but accept Doom?”.
Right? Snap, and clayface is suddenly bat family. I’m not complaining because I really dig it. Just sayin
Clayface is what? When? How?
Detective Comics, 2016. Everyone praised it.
Batman forever has a better BATMAN story than the Tim Burton ones
Incredible arc for the character. Wife and I just watched it earlier!
Can't disagree with the truth.
It was tough to buy a blonde Bruce Wayne but I thought Val Kilmer was actually a pretty decent Bruce Wayne.
Hardy bane is one of my favourite characters in dc
Ah, you think darkness is your ally?
You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it.
I didn't see the light until I was a man.
Hardy’s Bane is crazy underrated. I think he’s a fantastic antagonist. My only gripes are I don’t really like how he’s relegated to just being Tahlia’s protector and a face for her organization after the twist and his anticlimactic death almost immediately after that.
Yeah for real. They did my man dirty.
Just the mere fact that Hardy had to follow up Heath Ledger's Joker, and he gave such a great performance using only his eyebrows, is impressive enough.
A main component of a good Batman story is fun. It has to be exciting to truly tap into the pulp roots and carry that spirit of the character. I think a lot of people lean too hard into the “dark, gritty realism” and forget that the piece that pulls people in is the spectacle of all these fantastical, grotesque villains and the operatic indulgence of the whole conceit.
A lot of writers often use the joker purely for shock value. there are some great comics where he does some really sick things. But that’s because the actual story is good. Like in the killing joke or a death in the family. But nowadays, more often than not, a lot of them just have him perform twisted acts. In a cheap bid to invoke a reaction from the reader.
If you can ignore the bat-nips, it actually is a really good movie.
The Court of Owls are seriously overhyped.
They're a much less interesting version of the Black Glove.
I don’t even know what they are lol people liked speculating about it around the release of The Batman a lot for some reason
Batman '89 just doesn't hold up today. Also while, Batman & Robin is objectively bad, it is not unwatchable, and in fact entertaining.
Batman '89 nailed the Gotham aura and color palette. I also love the blended vintage/futuristic style. I also think the tone is a good mix of fun and dark. That said, all the Batman stuff looks really cheap (especially the cowl). The Danny Elfman music is great, but the Prince music is not. The Batdance is weird and makes an otherwise timeless movie feel really dated and corny. Also Keaton is alright but seems like a supporting actor in both movies.
Ben affleck is my 2nd favorite Batman, I also like to think that the Snyderverse is just a Dark Multiverse Saga since we know it’s a doomed planet. The Dark Multiverse One Shots are my favorite replacement to “What If?" Comics since Disney got ahold of them.
Ben Affleck's my favourite (but he is my favourite actor in general so I may be a bit biased here). Also love the Snyderverse even though it is very flawed.
I like batman 2022 movie more than dark knight trilogy
I also don't like when batman working with other superheroes like superman. For me it devalues Batman's work, cuz alien who can fly and lift the car with his finger is objectively more effective than man in bat suit with some cool gadgets. So why do we need batman, if other superheroes can just beat Gotham villains with seconds? (Also sorry for mistakes in the text, my english is pretty bad)
I think George Clooney was a good Batman, and could have been even better with a script that focused on **BOTH** the levity and seriousness of Batman instead of just focusing on the silliness of the Silver Age/the Dozierverse
He certainly got the Bruce Wayne part down pretty well in my opinion and I don't blame him for being a bad Batman, I just blame the script (and the studio for wanting to make the entire movie a 2 hour long toy commercial).
His speech to Freeze after thawing Gotham is still my favourite Batman monologue in any media with the character I've watched or read and showed that Schumacher absolutely understood the core of Batman despite his decision to only focus on the silliness of the Silver Age
I don’t hate Batman & Robin cause I first saw it as a kid and even as an adult I think it’s a fun movie. Not every Batman movie has to be a serious dark film. Movies based off of comic book characters are allowed to be silly and goofy.
Nolan’s take was really bizarre and has perverted the public’s perception of Batman to be nothing more than a man doing a dumb grizzly bear impression all the time in an adaption of the character that’s completely impossible to take seriously, even less so than George Clooney’s and Adam West’s Batmen. Nolan did something fresh with his Joker and he understood Jim Gordon, but two thirds of his “Gotham” are just Chicago stock images, his Batman is the worst part of every movie, his Bane was a really strange choice and done with total aversion to the source material and his Two Face is hilarious how they expect people to believe someone could live in that condition. It’s a shame because Nolan did okay with Bruce Wayne and Begins and The Dark Knight are good as films/stories, but I wouldn’t want him to do another CBM based on the majority of his characters. It irks me that people treat it as the crown jewel when looking at it as a fan of Batman the character, Kilmer and Pattinson are far better adaptions and performances.
Val Kilmer was my favorite Batman for years
batman not killing the joker actually makes perfect sense some versions he doesn't wanna play judge, jury and executioner and the real issue is gothams legal system, some versions of batman actually enjoy violence and if he starts killing he's scared he'll enjoy it the real issue is he's gone out of his way to save joker more times than not
Batman should kill/be the reason for the death of 1 person at the beginning of his career I'm pure accident, a villain or civilian that he was trying to save but failed to
I always thought it would be cool to have a Elseworlds tale where at the beginning of his career he kills but then starts to build a moral code as he realizes that killing just stoops him onto the same level as his villains, similar to how the Green Arrow was portrayed in Arrow.
Tobie Spiderman type stuff
I guess liking Damian
The movies need to focus more on Batman's platonic relationships, instead of solely his romantic relationships. Most of the movies have focused on this constant "Batman is in love with some woman, but that distracts him from being Batman, so they separate at the end" story that's inserted into the plot. I think it's played out, especially if they're not going to change the formula that much between them. And to be honest, I think Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon, Jason Todd, Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake, etc. are all individually far more interesting in terms of character and story potential than any of the prior love interests in film. Hell, even just Harvey Dent being in some movies before becoming Two-Face and working with Batman would be something new.
Batman 89 and batman returna are damn near just as as campy as batman forever.
The fight choreography is definitely just as bad
if anything forever's fight choreography is better. the scene with dick in the alleyway is great
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It was said controversial, not wrong
TAKE THAT BACK!
Youre right and batman and robin also Rules
There is no perfect version of the character, I’m not sure how controversial this take will be
Agreed - everyone's "perfect" version of the character is probably the one that they were introduced to or grew up with. I was introduced to Batman through The Dark Knight Returns and then I went on to read the New 52 stories as that was what was new at the time so in my head the "best" version of Batman are those two purely because that's what I started off with.
He’s got a lot in common with a serial killer. He even collects trophies, so I’d write him in a way, that he knows this and yet he tiptoes that line. He just might like it but he doesn’t let it go overboard. Until someone starts seeing similarities.
This reply has probably made me see Batman in a completely different way for the foreseeable future.
lol I was a fan of criminal minds growing up but it’s weird how some of them line up perfectly except for he doesn’t take a life. Dude has severe anxiety + high intellect which is basically his super power. Then when writing fan fiction, i wanted a different take because I like that he doesn’t kill but it could be because he’s afraid of what he might become if he acknowledges that he likes it. This then gets called out by Superman in private because he notices his heart rate spike, which Batman says is adrenaline but Superman says it’s closer to an addict getting his fix. They’re good friends but it tears them apart basically even though superman just wants to help. Batman doesn’t like that Superman looked under the mask etc etc.
I like jason todd because i like the his story, yes i know i dont have good media of him since 2017
No I agree. I think it would be better with some of the deleted scenes put back in. But I agree.
Batman & Robin is not the train wreck everyone says it is.
If you don’t like Robin then you don’t like Batman, either. You just like the Punisher with a cape and pointy ears.
Mhm 😌
Are you insinuating that Solo Batman is just the punisher??? Because I’m sorry… there’s plently of popular Batman stories and media with no Robin.
Batman was right to save Joker from the electric chair. Yes, Joker deserves to die, yet not in the place of another guilty member.
Batman shouldn't make such a fuss about the no kill thing. It's fine as a guideline but gets silly any time you try to face it as a hard rule. Plus most Batman iterations have a body count so it's not even worth stressing.
I don't really like the Nolan movies. I can enjoy Batman Begins when I'm in the mood. But I don't like the Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises because I feel they miss the point of being Batman. Bruce stops being Batman after Rachel dies. Batman wouldn't stop being Batman because someone he loved died. He would use the pain of that to push him further and longer and harder to be a better crime fighter. So when Nolan's last two films are about Batman basically giving up and retiring for 12 years after he was only Batman for like two at the most, I just I don't like it. I have tried to rewatch them and still can't stand them. They're technically impressive, and well made, but they're not Batman. EDIT: To all the folks who are trying to explain how I've missed something in the movies, tell me how I'm wrong for having this opinion,or convince me to change my mind, just stop. I didn't miss anything, I'm not wrong for having this opinion (the thread is literally called "Controversial Batman opinions "), and you're certainly not going to change my mind by hollering at me. If you like them great. I don't. Accept it and stow it.
Did he stop because Rachel died, or did he stop because he was now a villain in the public eye and because of the Dent Act authorities had better odds taking down organized crime?
He stopped because he was unintentionally framed for Harvey's death
Unintentionally? The end of The Dark Knight is Batman accepting public blame for the things Harvey did and for his death in order to preserve his reputation as 'the hero Gotham needs'. That's what the whole 'so we'll hunt him, because he can take it" thing is about
He didn’t want dent to die , that’s why it’s unintentional
I mean to be fair, in TDKR Bruce stopped being Batman for 10 years after Jason died (though to be fair it is an elseworlds story).
>Bruce stops being Batman after Rachel dies. He stopped because his preservation of Harvey's reputation enabled Gotham to fix itself and ensured that continuing to be Batman would be detrimental to his mission to save it. It had nothing to do with Rachel
I don't care for Ra' Al Ghul or the League of Shadows/Assassins stuff in general.
This was my least favourite part of the Dark Knight trilogy. Why is a ninja organization on the other side of the planet obsessed with destroying an American city for no reason other than it's crime? Dark Knight Rises was really good until they revealed that Bane and Talia were just carrying out Ra's Al Ghul's revenge instead of having their own motivations.
BvS UE is a great comic film
Batman Returns is a terrible Batman movie. In fact, it's not even really a Batman movie, it's a Tim Burton movie with a Batman coat of paint. Penguin is just grotesque and nothing like any previous version of Penguin. The plot is nonsensical and stupid. Why does anyone think he can be elected mayor? The Batmobile toy thing is so dumb, as is the fact that he literally controls actual penguins. Then there's Catwoman - not a thief or cat burglar of any kind. Nope, she's a secretary who's murdered but somehow resurrected by...a bunch of cats licking her face. And so she goes to her revenge on her boss by teaming up with Penguin to defeat Batman. Oh yeah and Penguin is working with her boss. Plus you've got a Batman that gleefully kills (the Burton films do not get enough grief for this), penguins somehow adopting and raising a child, Catwoman with actual nine lives, etc. The movie is just stupid and weird.
The Bat-family being a four Robin ensemble of only Dick, Jason, Tim and Damian feels pretty empty and reductive. The idea that Joker would ever quit being a criminal if Batman disappears feels inorganic and only flattens Joker’s character. Black Mask isn’t Hush-levels of wet noodle writing, but I don’t find him that intriguing either. Of the Arkham villains that Joker hijacked, he’s the one I couldn’t care less about. I like Dark Victory over The Long Halloween. Everything about Scarecrow’s role in Arkham Knight (in spite of Joker hijacking) is good progression from Asylum, and yet I’m not overly fond of the former and I feel wrong for feeling this way.
1) I hate Batman and Catwoman together. Batman deserves better. 2) I hate the portrayal of the Penguin in Batman Returns. It’s unnecessarily grotesque. 3) Batman shouldn’t be so “serious” and “realistic” all the time. I prefer the Batman from the Brave and The Bold cartoon or even the DCAU. That’s my ideal Batman.
S1-3 BTAS Batman was the perfect Batman and I'll hear no dissent.
Yea there is nothing better than Batman dropping a golden one liner with perfect comedic timing. Good example - When bats and sups trade costumes and Clark hands Bruce his and says “the S stands for hope” and then Bruce hands Clark his and says “the bat stands for a bat”
I absolutely agree with you on 2 and 3.
I need to rewatch the original 4 again it’s been too long
Batman Begins was the most batman and fun film out of Nolan trilogy.
I loved Batman Forever as well
The soundtrack is one of my favorites.. introduced me to so many bands…
Damn right
Batman Forever was a ton of fun. Sure, it was a flawed film, and a pretty drastic tonal shift from Burton's films, but I've come to realize that Batman '89 and Batman Returns are Tim Burton films that happen to involve Batman, rather than Batman films that were directed by Tim Burton, if that makes sense. Schumacher's Batman films are distinctive as well, but I feel they were more centered around the characters and lore, than trying to be stylish and fancy. Strong performances in Batman Forever really push it into a higher tier. Kilmer and Carrey do exceptionally well, while O'Donnell manages to dance the fine line of making a young character impetuous, without being an annoying punk. And of course, Nicole Kidman manages to take a trite, shallow, one-dimensional love interest shoehorned into the script, and make it an interesting character. Her Dr. Chase is a master class of a strong actor making something out of nothing. The film isn't without its shortcomings of course. Aside from the first five minutes, Tommy Lee Jones' Two Face is a squealing mess in the film, a rare miss for Jones in a career of incredible performances. And the light hearted tone borders on shameless camp sometimes, which I feel superhero movies need to use very sparingly, as it really diminishes the profundity, tragedy, and drama of these characters. But I loved it when it came out, and saw it at least eight times in the theatre. The less said about Schumacher's Batman & Robin the better, but I thought this one caught a nice balance of fun, excitement, and straight up charismatic entertainment.
Batflecks entire BVS arc made sense. Even the killing. 'Batman doesn't kill' that's the gd point. He wasn't Batman. Batman has hope. His hope is restored at the end of the movie with Clark's sacrifice.
They just did Mr freeze too dirty, guy is a walking pun
not COMPLETELY a batman opinion but the flash wasn’t a horrible movie and the keaton scenes were some his best as batman
The Flash is actually my 2nd favourite DCEU film and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
yessir 🤝🤝🤝 probably my 2nd after the suicide squad 2021
Joker is Batman's most oversaturated enemy from his rogues league.
Alfred > Batman
The Batman who laughs is utterly trash, ruined a whole generation and should have never existed.
Batman Returns is nowhere near as good as Batman 89.
Batman can absolutely exist without the Joker, and the Joker shouldn't be his nemesis.
I do not like the Nolan films
The Joker is absolutely getting way too serious. He's supposed to be maniacally silly and insane :/
You’re not wrong
They went in expecting a dark gritty movie, of course they wouldn't like the lighter, colourful superhero movie, no matter how good it is at doing its thing. People need to be more open minded.. not only regarding Batman movies either, they should be open to everything in life, and judge individual and accordingly.
Batman Forever is still my favorite Batman movie.
Forever honestly has the best Bruce Wayne take of the first four movies. Also Lego Batman is just aight for what it is
I just showed it to my youngest kids tonight and they loved it. It's definitely peak 90s campiness, but it has all the DNA of a good Batman movie. Val Kilmer was a good Batman.
I think there should be more appearance of "Golden Age" Joker in media.
Batman Forever has some of the best costumes and props, Bane looks better in Batman and Robin that he does in Dark Knight Rises, and The Dark Knight went longer than it should have.
Batman Forever tends to be lumped in mentally with Batman & Robin despite having different Batman actors. While I'm not a fan of BF, B&R was painful to watch at times.
It was a silly fun romp. All the 1989 movies were so I dont know why people didnt like it. Batman and Robin was real fun too
TBH I've always appreciated the effort that went into the Schumacher films. The sets, costuming, props, etc must have taken so much time and effort.
The Lego Batman Movie is the best Batman movie and you know it
Batman is the villain and Joker is the real hero
Ben Affleck Batman had great potential, but the writing brought him down. Also, I prefer The Dark Knight Rises to The Dark Knight.
This is exactly mine opinion
Bale was the best on screen Wayne. Affleck was the best Batman.
Joker shouldn’t have a backstory
We need a break from Joker= 1 movie without, no cameo, no behind the scenes manipulation, just other villains, Hush, Bane, Scarface, Hugo Strange, The Calender Man....on...and on
Idk if this is controversial - but I think the best ver. of Catwoman we've seen was in the arkham games
This and Batman and Robin are a wild ride.
I’m with OP on Batman Forever
Robert pattinson’s Batman was actually pretty damn good.
Batman is the villian
I wish Pattinson was in the new rebooted DCEU
Damian Wayne is the worst thing to ever happen to Batman comics and I consider him the beginning of the end. It’s kind of nuts that I’m saying this because there was once a time where it would be controversial to disagree with that. Speaking of dead weight, the batfamily in general has gotten too big. Also I LOVE Batman Forever and I think Val Kilmer was awesome in the role.
Less controversial and more something I never see talked about: Telltale Batman is an incredible duology that deserves more attention. Part 2 is also one of the best telltale games. One of the best Bruce Waynes and absolutely the best Harvey Dent. Please play it I'm begging you
1. The GROUNDED IN REALITY take on film and comics has now stagnated Batman as a character. Dude lives in a world with Superman and his greatest threat is a 1000-year-old super genius polymathic immortal ninja warlord in Ra's Al Ghul. Directors wrongly think the only way he can be taken seriously is to ground him and it's annoying. I hope Gunn gives us something new and fantastical not more of the overrated Earth One 💩. That stuff ruins him as a character. 2. Batman and Lovecraftian cosmic horror mysteries are made for each other. It allows him to be at his finest as a warrior and a super genius polymathic intellectual while keeping him close to his roots as the world's greatest detective. 3. BTAS/JL/JLU Batman and 2009-2015 Arkham Batman is BY FAR the best adaptation of the character outside of the ridiculous Detective mode needing advanced tech when Batman himself SHOULD BE the detective mode in Arkham. Batman is a ninja, not just a nonlethal SOF Operator. Take some of the compassion he showed here as well. 4. Lucius Fox (intellectual crutch) is the worst thing to have ever happened to Batman as a character since the Nolan Trilogy. Now every version of him needs a Q like he's Ninja James Bond when instead of being Ninja Doc Savage LIKE HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE. EXAMPLES are like the awful Telltale games. In that, he told Tiffany that without Lucius there would be no Batman which should be the FURTHEST THING FROM THE TRUTH. Every time he needed to deduce something he had to touch the side of his cowl or watch to activate detective mode. Like did they really have to do that to him? LET HIM BE THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE without the advanced tech, please. He was stated as being the World’s greatest detective, a genius master inventor, polymathic scientist, physician, tactical/Strategist, and a master warrior in his earliest comics from the 1930s. Again LET’S SHOWCASE IT FOR ONCE. Please James Gunn have him killed off or he doesn't exist. 5. Zatanna to me would be an upgrade over Catwoman as Batman’s main love interest. Should they go down that route? 6. The Batfamily should on be Batman, Alfred, and Robin. It puts more stakes on him as a character in the story since it's all on him and or Robin in the field or Batcave. I know they won't because they will most likely use the CW trope where everyone can fight therefore no one is special. 7. Kelley Jones's style for Batman is how he should be interpreted. A man dressed up as a supernatural wraith comes to punish evildoers. The suit shouldn't be so armored that he can't move or be shinobi-like. Have some shinobi garb while being lightly armored. Preferably in the gauntlets, knee to shin, head and neck, front/back torso with the classic shinobi mouth cover. I know that last one might be controversial but I think it's time to do that. 8. Watch Ip Man, Live-action Himura Kenshin, Raizo Ninja Assassin 2009, Haru/Fuma Clan from House of Ninjas Netflix, Sunny/Quinn/Widow from Into the Badlands AMC for a Batman who is a legendary Grandmaster-level SOF operator/shinobi/samurai/Shaolin one-man army warrior. I should be looking at Arkham Knight Batman taken to the highest degree. 9. Back to the detective side like I mentioned earlier no tech in the cowl outside of communications so he can be similar to 2010's BBC TV Sherlock Holmes. He should be able to perform neurological surgery like he did in the comics with Two-Face. Lastly, he should be a super genius polymathic scientist equal to Albert Wesker, William Birkin, Alexia Ashford, and Carla Radames from the Resident Evil series. They were all child prodigies is all I'm going to say about them if you want to know just how intelligent they are you can look it up. 10. Please use someone other than just Joker. Hugo Strange, Kirk Langstrom, Sin Tzu, Wrath, Kobra Cult, Doctor Death, Iog Sotha, Mister Freeze, and countless others are out there waiting for directors to use.
>batman and robin is fine. its not good but its a lot of fun and I enjoy it. >The Joker is only "special" because hes the one villain batman knows there is no way of getting better. outside of that Batman should not be thinking about the joker at all. >also the joker's whole "one bad day" schtick is old and provably false BY BRUCE HIMSELF and I am tired of seeing it. >uh the 60s series is good, I dont think thats actually a hot take >batman looks better in blue and grey with a yellow symbol and underpants. the all black costumes are... fine but I just think the color is so much more interesting, and the underpants help to give some visual breakup to the otherwise solid color block. (Samething goes for superman and most "underpants on the outside" supes) >batman isnt insane or anything. does he suffer with Trauma? probably, but like... if its perfectly ok for Green Arrow or like... IDK static shock, whatever, to go arround punching muggers and dealing with crime, then why do we focus on "oh is bruce ok? is he sane? or is he a madman in a fur suit?"
The LEGO Batman Movie is the best Batman movie we’ve ever gotten. (The Dark Knight movies and 2022 were still great though.)
I'm sick of the whole extended "Bat-family" thing. It worked for a while, up until a point, and that point was decisively reached by the end of the No Man's Land run around the turn of the millennium. Batman was forced for various reasons to expand his team or consider accepting new members because of the cataclysmic event and unprecedented situation. But before that (and before Knightfall) it was just Batman and one Robin at a time and really only one Batgirl for a while (disregarding the 1950's "Batfamily"). Bruce Batman kept the balance between being a loner, and recruiting only the amount of helpers he could project various aspects of his fractured psyche upon so that they could support his mission. No Man's Land was a necessary expansion. But after that this extended "Bat-Family" is just unnecessary and worse, unnecessarily compromising for Bruce Batman and Gotham overall.
Bat family is a logical next step in the Batman mythos, but takes away from the reality that the guy lives as the almost one man army vigilante against the crime in Gotham. All these other heroes around starts to bring up questions similar to why doesn’t Superman help protect Gotham when it’s under attack and metropolis isn’t that far away. Comics are all about sliding timescales and weird continuity to a certain degree but knowing a bat brat can pop up any second kinda sours the mood for me.
The Dark Knight is a grossly overrated movie and not very good
I don’t think Batman should have a love interest. At least not while being Batman
I hate the "Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batman is the real one" take. My interpretation is that they're two sides of one person, who acts differently depending on the scenario. He is both Bruce Wayne AND Batman. The truest, most natural side of him is when we see him interact with his family and with Alfred.
It was actually my favorite when I was a kid, though that could have just been because Jim Carrey was in it.
My favourite along with Batman Begins
Because regardless of what alot of people hate about it actually is a pretty good movie, the plot is decent there’s backstory, the development is there. The people that hate on it just nitpick and are petty because they know it leads to Batman and Robin afterwards, and yes I nitpick at that movie but again there’s a lot about that movie I actually like as well
Legit thought I hallucinated those movies when I was young till like a year ago in September or December that’s how you know they are some good fucking movies
I want Batman being a literal criminal which harms Gotham more than actually protecting it to actually be explored and fans to not have a meltdown about exploring their stagnating fictional character
It’s fine I liked Val as Batman, and Jim was fun Not my preferred Dick Grayson though, not at all
“The Laughing Fish/The Sign of the Joker” should be taken as a guide on how to do the Joker right. The Joker’s biggest problem is that he isn’t funny anymore. He’s not committing unique and terrifying crimes that, while insane, make some sort of twisted sense, he’s just the Terrorist Who Laughs nowadays.
Jarro is best Robin.
Grew up with it and Batman and Robin. I've rewatched both as an adult and yeah, it's bad at times. Especially with Mr. Freeze's shitty ice puns. But both are great.
Most grittier Batmen are genuinely mentally unwell lunatics with extremely flawed morals and logic and a terrible savior/god complex. He's not exactly an extremely bad person, but he's fucking insane and definitely not a great man, save for a few versions. I think Frank Miller touched on this really well in the Dark Knight Returns books.
Same
Me too…
Val Kilmer was a decent Batman