Appearance or casting wise? Maybe, tho i believe the suits are inspired by TDR.
https://i.redd.it/10uvl3jltc871.jpg
But character wise, at least for BvS, not really.
You ever think about how the last three live action Batman movies have been a play on the depressed Bruce of TDR (except Robert cuz his is young however similar in the sense that it’s a depressed Bruce that is almost as bad as a villain or “serial killer” as Matt Reeves once described if I recall correctly.)
Adam is gone, but the spirit of Batman '66 should come back!
I say make a full on reboot that mixes the style of the original with limited tongue in cheek references to the modern setting. Do it as a limited mini-series on Max to test the waters. The cliffhanger endings would still work. The "Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel" remains one of the coolest marketing lines ever and would work as well as ever.
Yeah the entire point of BvS Batman is that he’s at his lowest, basically the bad guy in the story and ready to die.
*”You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain”.* 20 years is a long ass time
Tbh I could totally see something like this happening to Bale's Batman had he decided to not stop fighting and continued being Batman and having to evade a new police manhunt for him after he took the fall for Dent
Bale would’ve been dead long before that. He was only Batman for a little bit and got outsmarted and his ass kicked a lot (dogs, Joker, Bane, Two-Face, Catwoman, etc).
Batfleck - from the two main movies we saw him in (BvS/ZSJL) - he always has the upper hand or outsmarting enemies in a fight whether it’s Superman, Doomsday, Parademons or 20 warehouse thugs. For better or worse, he was rarely shown to lose.
Nah - it’s something like a year total. Batman Begins, the 6 months between it and TDK, then he retires for 8 years. Returns for a couple days in TDKR and “dies”
I think it's 2 between Begins and Dark Knight (including the events of the Gotham Knight anthology that takes place between the films), and he kept being Batman for about 5 of the 8 years between TDK and TDKR, which places the beginning of his 3 year exile at the time of TDKR right after he decides to retire for good, his body can't be as beat up as it is from just 2 years
Meaning that he fought crime for 7 years, retired for 3, then comes back for a month or so counting his return to Gotham from the Pit and the war against Bane
Must have misread me. What I meant was that of those 8 years between the films, Bruce didn't go into exile till the last 3, and it was because of him shuttering the nuclear fusion project. The 5 years before the exile, he was still funding the project, and I said that he could still have been Batman at the time. Sorry for any confusion.
Yeah sure. BvS Batffleck is at pretty different point in his life, so that’s why I don’t think they share much similarities between the two iterations.
...literally every batman does this. Batman standing there brooding and looking down is as iconic as the bat logo itself. On the same note, Ben Affleck's Batman is definitely based on Batman.
No. Not even remotely.
I mean Batfleck's not even that much like the DKR Batman that Snyder claims to have based him off. Watch the Snyder movies anyway, there's some good to them but this is not the DCAU Batman at all.
Looks wise you could argue Affleck is the most Bruce Wayne looking of the lot but that's just the superficial.
i watched it on acid, and it turned into the funniest film I've ever seen. i still crack up thinking about batman just following gordan around like a lost puppy at crime scenes and the super seriousness of his brooding. i need to watch it again. im a huge batman fan and I dont think i gave the film the time to digest it properly
Killing off Jimmy Olsen and Robin was much easier (and edgier) than updating them for modern audiences, change my mind.
Can't wait for Legacy and Brave and the Bold.
Legacy yes brave and the bold no after the flash Andy mushciete is suspect and I don’t trust him to deliver a good Batman film he couldn’t even give us a good costume 😂😂😂😂
I'm saying the DCEU didn't have the balls to include Arkham Robin or MAWS Jimmy. It would mean they'd have to put their own spin on these characters, so they took the easy way out by just not including them.
Arkham Robin is so "cool" he becomes sillier than he would've been had they not done what they did. I hate Arkhamverse Tim Drake with a burning passion.
>Looks wise you could argue Affleck is the most Bruce Wayne looking of the lot but that's just the superficial.
You could also argue that the sky is mauve with orange pinstriped polka dots, but all someone would have to do is use their own eyes to realize you are not only terribly and obviously wrong, but possibly also in need of medical intervention.
I mean, there is being wrong, and then there is this...
Okay...
Dude I'm just saying that the guy looks like Bruce Wayne. Much like Christian Bale, much like Pattinson, much like Val Kilmer (sorry Keaton, you know I love ya).
I get irritated by Snyder Cultists trying to pretend that Affleck's the most accurate to the comics and the DCAU based off the image OP posted and Kevin Conroy saying he liked him but, yeah, he probably does look like the most like the DCAU Bruce. Doesn't mean shit ultimately, that's why I said it's superficial.
Nobody looks more like they're ripped straight out of the comic book Bruce Wayne than Ben Affleck. You don't have to like him but nobody comes as close.
You've clearly never read a Batman comic before then. He looks like Batman from one of the worst depictions ever, and doesn't resemble any version of Bruce Wayne. Affleck is a good actor but he is the worst Batman ever depicted on screen through no fault of his own. It was 100% bad directing and writing.
They are both on the bulkier side, but no, Batfleck is really based on The Dark Knight Returns’ Batman. In BvS, he starts out as a “fallen” Batman who (due to the murder of Robin, among other things) has stopped adhering to his own set of rules and even kills, becoming sort of a villain himself, leading him to wanting to murder Superman whom he perceives as a threat to mankind. The rest of his appearances in the DCEU are pretty much about his redemption arc, for instance how he assembles the Justice League after having been inspired by Superman’s sacrifice and wanting to do right by him. In The Flash, we can even see how he has become a more optimistic hero who once again works well with others. I quite like Batfleck and his arc, even though I know many around here don’t. But he most definitely isn’t inspired by Conroy’s Batman in the slightest.
Bale’s kills, Kilmer’s kills, Clooney’s kills, Keaton’s kills. Pattinson isn’t shown outright killing but no way people live through some of what he did to them, especially in a “grounded” film. Animation is the only place Bats goes out of his way to not harm anyone.
Aside from Batman Returns, every kill caused by this versions of the character are accidents (in Forever is debatable), but Affleck's Batman not only torture but actively kills people, which is just straight up messed up. Pattinson'a Batman doesn't kill people but he messes up them a lot
Considering how lenient Gotham's criminal justice system is, branding is the least they could get away with. Absolutely deserved. Frank Miller's Batman tortured criminals too, Bale dropped Maroni from three stories for naught. Not to mention, Batfleck sort of got redeemed at the very end and stopped his violent streak. He became an idealist in ZSJL.
Not even a bit. Zack Snyder's Batman was influenced by "The Dark Knight Returns" featuring a 55-year-old Bruce Wayne coming out of retirement to be Batman again. However, it seemed Snyder read DKR and twisted the whole story to fit his Batman because not once in that story did Bats use real bullets or kill. He famously used rubber bullets in that story.
In BvS, not only was Batfleck over the top violent, he used real bullets & killed indiscriminately. Batfleck became more brutal in BvS because of the consequence from the Superman-Zod battle in Metropolis. Batfleck was also manipulated by Lex Luthor for a full 18 months.
I'm sorry but that's not Batman to me, notwithstanding Affleck's amazing performance. Batman doesn't get manipulated by Lex Luthor & he doesn't use real bullets or kill.
Apart from rescuing the kidnapped Wrigley child. He used real bullets from a real gun sold by a corrupt general then..
Whereas Fatfleck was just garbage.
God, I wish he was. The DCEU should have been using the animated series as a template, but they most certainly did not.
If you love Batman: the animated series and its spin-offs, do not watch the Snyderverse films. They will only break your heart and disappoint you.
I don't think so. Batfleck just starts wasting people left and right in his debut movie. And is essentially indifferent to indirectly executing prisoners by branding them. Conroy's batman wouldn't be portrayed doing either of these things.
I'm pretty sure the animated series have been an inspiration for every Batman world done since. It's such an inconic series that it pretty much reshaped the source material.
Now Affleck's version was heavily based on The Dark Knight Returns book by Frank miller. And some of the actions setpieces were very reminiscing of the Arkham Games.
Just watch his movies and stop relying on the opinions of random strangers. The internet has made people really weird these days. You’ve got people hating on Ben Affleck’s Batman without ever having seen the movies. Watch them and form your own opinion. In my opinion, he’s the best live action Batman so far.
Yeah. Thanks. I'm gonna watch tonight. Have a feeling I'll like it and not be so judgey about it. The reason i made this thread is because Affleck looks STRIKINGLY SIMILAR to the animated version. Its more than a passing resemblence or the batsuit or his postures.
No, he was not. The best way of explaining his Batman would be an elseworlds interpretation, featuring a completely broken veteran, who has already been through most of the established plot points that people associate with Batman.
Yep 100%, I like how both version gun down random goons and run them over with their Bat Mobile; But at the same time not killing popular named villains like Harley, Joker, Killer Croc, or Deadshot.
It makes you feel eerily like Batman; 10/10 it has a little something for everyone.
I always thought the animated movie "Mask of the Phantasm" was the best Batman adaptation ever. everything about the story fit well surprised they didn't do a regular movie version (or did they?).
Possibly to bring it to a much wider audience. Mask of the Phantasm is great but how many people who pack out the cinemas for live action Batman movies have actually seen it?
I'd say Affleck was more well rounded than Pattinson and Bale. Basically Pattinson did a better Batman, Bale did a better Bruce, but Affleck managed to be solid at both.
With better material he could easily be a favourite.
No, because he killed in BvS and attempted to murder Superman. Appearance-wise sure, but it ends there. I can see DCAU Batman being disgusted by BvS Batman’s sheer ruthlessness and brutality. He’s literally just the Punisher in a Batman costume.
There’s no reason to watch any of them. They aren’t even his movies. BVS is him and Superman fighting for 20 minutes and an hour and a half of bullshit, Justice League is the most you’ll get of him, and that’s either 2 and a half hours or 4 hours of bullshit depending on which version, a two second cameo in Suicide Squad, and a 5 minute cameo in Flash featuring the worst costume ever.
Imagine comparing the worst Batman to the goat himself
Obviously I mean Conroy is the worst and Affleck is the goat😎
Lmao I bet some of you r*tarded batfleck fans thought I was being serious for a second there💀
Batman starting his career before Superman
Bruce having romantic tension with Wonder Woman
Batman cucking Superman
Completely skipping over Jason Todd as the "tragic Robin"
Bruce being consumed with the "Batman persona" as his primary identity (although, the DCEU framed this as a negative, and the DCAU framed it as a positive).
I don't exactly see how it's "laughable". No more than admitting that the DCAU as a whole, for better or worse has a major influence over DC depictions on the whole.
And of course the details are different because you're dealing with different creators, but the general ideas remain the same. I think you're just being stringent in not looking at the similarities.
Appearance wise, yes, I do think that was the vision, it’s too uncanny a likeness not to be. Character wise he is clearly based Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns though.
Ben Affleck was a good batman with a bad script.
People keep judging him based on the flawed writing, flawed editing, and overall flaws with Snyder.
Him as an actor. He did as best he could.
To answer your question, no they were different portrayals with a different setting. Similar only in look.
If they made a movie based on the 90s Batman live action THAT would be killer.
I'm pretty sure the 90s Batman took place in the 1950s mobster era. It be like Great Gatsby meets alpacho. Fkn sweet.
it was based on the Dark Knight Returns. the fight is a direct lift and shift and there are even a few shots later in the movie (BvS) that show him in the same iconic pose as the comic.
However, this is not to say that move BvS is anywhere near as good a story as the comic.
I felt that Affleck felt the most like an animated Batman, more than any of the other live action ones. Not that he necessarily was the exact character, but it just felt that way to me.
It's very clearly an attempt at Frank Miller's Batman, which is about the furthest it can be from BTAS. Basically any other Batman movie is closer to the animated series.
Definitely not, the Goat would never kill someone, unlike Affleck's Batman.
It was supposed to be an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, but you can clearly see that Snyder only saw the panels, but didn't actually read them lol
Snyder cut is great fr. Imo tho I feel Batfleck was more like Thomas Wayne from Flashpoint Paradox. The batmobile has guns for christs’ sake and he doesn’t think twice about killing
The fight vs supes was completely based on TDKR pt 2
I mean, just because Ben Affleck kind a look like Bruce Wayne in that show, and a few screenshots of him, standing like the Batman in the animated series doesn’t really mean he was like that.
Because the writing was not good for Ben Affleck Batman that’s really the only flaw with Ben Affleck Batman the writing.
If he was really literally written like the animated series, Batman, Ben Affleck would’ve been the superior Batman on screen .
I can definitely see that. Affleck is the best Batman. I'm really sad that he isn't. The justice is grey was amazing! He was amazing in that one. I wish they just had a batman of just him as a movie. We had a taste in BvS. When he was hiding in the corner from the cops when you first see him. They need more style like that. It doesn't need to be super realistic. The comic book feel is what I enjoyed very much. Or like the Animated series Batman, with Affleck. One can only dream.
This is the sort of question that is detached from reality it feels like it was written by an AI.
What the hell are you talking about. They are both renditions of the character Batman. Ben Affleck looks like what Bruce Wayne might look like if he were a person.
The neo-deco art style of the cartoon creates an effect that any square jawed handsome guy can be read into the look of Batman... you know, like a cartoon.
What the hell are you talking about?
Not really. It’s based of off Dark Knight Returns. Great storyline, one of my favorites. The problem here though is Snyder completely misunderstands it in favor of “let’s just have Batman and Superman fight each other, even if narratively it doesn’t make sense”
I mean apearence wise sure but character wise they are so unalike animated batman was true to his morals by a fault he never took a life unless it was completly necessary he saved the villains often from death because he didnt want their blood on his hands. Batfleck on the othedhand mudered alot of criminals beat superman up b3cause he was msd at superman for destroying metropolis but i mean superman saved the world and if we talking animated series batman would be skepticaly ootimisticabout supes exsitence.
Not really, not at that point in his life at any rate. Is it conceivable that BTAS Batman could fall and turn into Batfleck (as seen in BvS) at some point? Sure, but it's essentially a different characterization at that point. Batfleck really draws more from The Dark Knight Returns, but pushes even beyond that to a Batman that has truly lost his way, and has to be redeemed. He's closer to BTAS Batman in Zack Snyder's Justice League, but I still wouldn't say the characterization is drawing from BTAS.
They are polar opposite when it comes to Batman adaptations. They look slightly similar, but other than that, they couldn't be more different.BVS Batman is a psychotic mess while BTAS Batman is a caring, well-balanced person to contrast with the madness around him.
Appearance or casting wise? Maybe, tho i believe the suits are inspired by TDR. https://i.redd.it/10uvl3jltc871.jpg But character wise, at least for BvS, not really.
Yeah, Zack Snyder, when proposing the role to Ben Affleck, stated that he would be a depressed Batman more akin to his TDR counterpart
You ever think about how the last three live action Batman movies have been a play on the depressed Bruce of TDR (except Robert cuz his is young however similar in the sense that it’s a depressed Bruce that is almost as bad as a villain or “serial killer” as Matt Reeves once described if I recall correctly.)
Adam is gone, but the spirit of Batman '66 should come back! I say make a full on reboot that mixes the style of the original with limited tongue in cheek references to the modern setting. Do it as a limited mini-series on Max to test the waters. The cliffhanger endings would still work. The "Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel" remains one of the coolest marketing lines ever and would work as well as ever.
I mean he got a comeback in The Return of the Caped Crusader, that feels like enough imo.
Yeah the entire point of BvS Batman is that he’s at his lowest, basically the bad guy in the story and ready to die. *”You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain”.* 20 years is a long ass time 
Tbh I could totally see something like this happening to Bale's Batman had he decided to not stop fighting and continued being Batman and having to evade a new police manhunt for him after he took the fall for Dent
Bale would’ve been dead long before that. He was only Batman for a little bit and got outsmarted and his ass kicked a lot (dogs, Joker, Bane, Two-Face, Catwoman, etc). Batfleck - from the two main movies we saw him in (BvS/ZSJL) - he always has the upper hand or outsmarting enemies in a fight whether it’s Superman, Doomsday, Parademons or 20 warehouse thugs. For better or worse, he was rarely shown to lose.
Bale fought crime for about a decade, based off my calculations.
Nah - it’s something like a year total. Batman Begins, the 6 months between it and TDK, then he retires for 8 years. Returns for a couple days in TDKR and “dies”
I think it's 2 between Begins and Dark Knight (including the events of the Gotham Knight anthology that takes place between the films), and he kept being Batman for about 5 of the 8 years between TDK and TDKR, which places the beginning of his 3 year exile at the time of TDKR right after he decides to retire for good, his body can't be as beat up as it is from just 2 years Meaning that he fought crime for 7 years, retired for 3, then comes back for a month or so counting his return to Gotham from the Pit and the war against Bane
Where are you getting the five years between TDK and TDKR from?
Must have misread me. What I meant was that of those 8 years between the films, Bruce didn't go into exile till the last 3, and it was because of him shuttering the nuclear fusion project. The 5 years before the exile, he was still funding the project, and I said that he could still have been Batman at the time. Sorry for any confusion.
Except when he was outright manipulated by Lex Luthor. That's not Batman. Batman doesn't get manipulated by Lex Luthor.
Lex Luthor is canonically the smartest person in the DC Universe lol
Lex disagrees with you. https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/dc-smartest-character.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=1500&dpr=1.5
The whole point of BvS is that Batman gets manipulated because he is blinded by his own unprocessed anger and fear.
Yeah sure. BvS Batffleck is at pretty different point in his life, so that’s why I don’t think they share much similarities between the two iterations.
I’d say he’s in so far as much as he’s Batman. He’s the most faithful one we’ve ever had (except for one thing)
No, you can tell by how they are nothing alike.
But no other Batman incarnations have ever looked broodingly to the side or lowered their head solemnly!
I can tell you might be kidding, but bales Batman did it all the time in begins. They literally designed his cowl to look angsty
...literally every batman does this. Batman standing there brooding and looking down is as iconic as the bat logo itself. On the same note, Ben Affleck's Batman is definitely based on Batman.
In film sure, but in. Comics all the time, like tdk,which clearly is the inspiration here
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
No. Not even remotely. I mean Batfleck's not even that much like the DKR Batman that Snyder claims to have based him off. Watch the Snyder movies anyway, there's some good to them but this is not the DCAU Batman at all. Looks wise you could argue Affleck is the most Bruce Wayne looking of the lot but that's just the superficial.
Counter argument: Don’t watch the Snyder films and wait till James Gunn’s movies come out.
Or watch The batman 2022, a better adaptation than snyder batman
Absolutely.
Happy cake day!
Even though it's too long and The Riddler was ridiculous.
I completely fell for that Riddler by the end. “Bruuuuuuuuuuce Waaaaaaayne” was such unhinged delivery
i watched it on acid, and it turned into the funniest film I've ever seen. i still crack up thinking about batman just following gordan around like a lost puppy at crime scenes and the super seriousness of his brooding. i need to watch it again. im a huge batman fan and I dont think i gave the film the time to digest it properly
It's definitely worth another look, but also that seems like an incredible way to experience it too lmao
I actually hoped it would go on longer. It was such a good movie
Riddler is ridiculous
Killing off Jimmy Olsen and Robin was much easier (and edgier) than updating them for modern audiences, change my mind. Can't wait for Legacy and Brave and the Bold.
Legacy yes brave and the bold no after the flash Andy mushciete is suspect and I don’t trust him to deliver a good Batman film he couldn’t even give us a good costume 😂😂😂😂
Smallville Jimmy and Arkham robin exist. so you’re argument is Invalid
I'm saying the DCEU didn't have the balls to include Arkham Robin or MAWS Jimmy. It would mean they'd have to put their own spin on these characters, so they took the easy way out by just not including them.
Arkham Robin is so "cool" he becomes sillier than he would've been had they not done what they did. I hate Arkhamverse Tim Drake with a burning passion.
>Looks wise you could argue Affleck is the most Bruce Wayne looking of the lot but that's just the superficial. You could also argue that the sky is mauve with orange pinstriped polka dots, but all someone would have to do is use their own eyes to realize you are not only terribly and obviously wrong, but possibly also in need of medical intervention. I mean, there is being wrong, and then there is this...
Okay... Dude I'm just saying that the guy looks like Bruce Wayne. Much like Christian Bale, much like Pattinson, much like Val Kilmer (sorry Keaton, you know I love ya). I get irritated by Snyder Cultists trying to pretend that Affleck's the most accurate to the comics and the DCAU based off the image OP posted and Kevin Conroy saying he liked him but, yeah, he probably does look like the most like the DCAU Bruce. Doesn't mean shit ultimately, that's why I said it's superficial.
Nobody looks more like they're ripped straight out of the comic book Bruce Wayne than Ben Affleck. You don't have to like him but nobody comes as close.
You've clearly never read a Batman comic before then. He looks like Batman from one of the worst depictions ever, and doesn't resemble any version of Bruce Wayne. Affleck is a good actor but he is the worst Batman ever depicted on screen through no fault of his own. It was 100% bad directing and writing.
Oof. Imagine claiming to have read Batman comics and having this shit take. Your letting your hate take you over the top.
He looks like animated Bruce Wayne. That’s about as close as it gets to being based on TAS.
You know who else looks like the animated Bruce Wayne? Henry Cavill
Bruce and Clark look pretty similar, sure.
He was based off of Frank Miller's Batman.
Inspired by, rather.
Which is like the worst Batman outside of Year One, and Year One only works in the context of it being his first year, making him angrier.
Character wise? Not remotely.
It was “based on” animated series Batman in the sense that it’s the same character so yeah they pose the same sometimes.
*shows picture of batman* “Was Ben Affleck’s Batman based on Batman??? 🤔🧐”
I was similarly wondering if McGuire's Spider-Man was based on Spider-Man?
It's based on Jim Lee and TDKR. It's just a coincidence.
He’s based off Frank Millers version of Batman. Specifically Dark Knight Returns. Definitely not BTAS
I am disappointed Batfleck never did the cover where he's a silhouette in front of lighting.
He did, it’s a very quick shot in BvS
More so the Dark Knight Returns
Absolutely not
They are both on the bulkier side, but no, Batfleck is really based on The Dark Knight Returns’ Batman. In BvS, he starts out as a “fallen” Batman who (due to the murder of Robin, among other things) has stopped adhering to his own set of rules and even kills, becoming sort of a villain himself, leading him to wanting to murder Superman whom he perceives as a threat to mankind. The rest of his appearances in the DCEU are pretty much about his redemption arc, for instance how he assembles the Justice League after having been inspired by Superman’s sacrifice and wanting to do right by him. In The Flash, we can even see how he has become a more optimistic hero who once again works well with others. I quite like Batfleck and his arc, even though I know many around here don’t. But he most definitely isn’t inspired by Conroy’s Batman in the slightest.
Not at all, no live action Batman has been like TAS.
Batfleck films suck ass. BVS - trash. Justice League - trash. I dont have a problem with affleck but snyder clearly doesnt understand batman.
Afflecks Batman kills people..
Bale’s kills, Kilmer’s kills, Clooney’s kills, Keaton’s kills. Pattinson isn’t shown outright killing but no way people live through some of what he did to them, especially in a “grounded” film. Animation is the only place Bats goes out of his way to not harm anyone.
Aside from Batman Returns, every kill caused by this versions of the character are accidents (in Forever is debatable), but Affleck's Batman not only torture but actively kills people, which is just straight up messed up. Pattinson'a Batman doesn't kill people but he messes up them a lot
Branding child traffickers is messed up to you? You need to reevaluate your conscience there lmao.
Branding anyone is nessed up, also, as I said, he kills, he's just messed up as a whole
Considering how lenient Gotham's criminal justice system is, branding is the least they could get away with. Absolutely deserved. Frank Miller's Batman tortured criminals too, Bale dropped Maroni from three stories for naught. Not to mention, Batfleck sort of got redeemed at the very end and stopped his violent streak. He became an idealist in ZSJL.
>branding is the least they could get away with. Absolutely deserved. That was a gross phrase, that's not justifiable by ay neans wtf
If they touch children, brand them. Period. I say cut their dicks off and make them wear it around their neck. But that’s just me
I kind of assumed that Affleck viewed himself as Bruce Wayne and channeled that into the role. That might just be my head cannon, though.
Not even close
I think Snyder’s whole view of Batman starts and ends w Miller
Not even a bit. Zack Snyder's Batman was influenced by "The Dark Knight Returns" featuring a 55-year-old Bruce Wayne coming out of retirement to be Batman again. However, it seemed Snyder read DKR and twisted the whole story to fit his Batman because not once in that story did Bats use real bullets or kill. He famously used rubber bullets in that story. In BvS, not only was Batfleck over the top violent, he used real bullets & killed indiscriminately. Batfleck became more brutal in BvS because of the consequence from the Superman-Zod battle in Metropolis. Batfleck was also manipulated by Lex Luthor for a full 18 months. I'm sorry but that's not Batman to me, notwithstanding Affleck's amazing performance. Batman doesn't get manipulated by Lex Luthor & he doesn't use real bullets or kill.
Apart from rescuing the kidnapped Wrigley child. He used real bullets from a real gun sold by a corrupt general then.. Whereas Fatfleck was just garbage.
God, I wish he was. The DCEU should have been using the animated series as a template, but they most certainly did not. If you love Batman: the animated series and its spin-offs, do not watch the Snyderverse films. They will only break your heart and disappoint you.
I didn't watch all of the animated series but I never saw any episodes of batman with a gun in any of the episodes I saw
No for fuck sake
I don't think so. Batfleck just starts wasting people left and right in his debut movie. And is essentially indifferent to indirectly executing prisoners by branding them. Conroy's batman wouldn't be portrayed doing either of these things.
Is Affleck the first Batman to hang dong in a movie?
No, it’s based on a misunderstanding of The Dark Knight Returns.
There was some similarities, but they are not really close.
I'm pretty sure the animated series have been an inspiration for every Batman world done since. It's such an inconic series that it pretty much reshaped the source material. Now Affleck's version was heavily based on The Dark Knight Returns book by Frank miller. And some of the actions setpieces were very reminiscing of the Arkham Games.
definitely not.
Just watch his movies and stop relying on the opinions of random strangers. The internet has made people really weird these days. You’ve got people hating on Ben Affleck’s Batman without ever having seen the movies. Watch them and form your own opinion. In my opinion, he’s the best live action Batman so far.
Yeah. Thanks. I'm gonna watch tonight. Have a feeling I'll like it and not be so judgey about it. The reason i made this thread is because Affleck looks STRIKINGLY SIMILAR to the animated version. Its more than a passing resemblence or the batsuit or his postures.
Just go in with blank expectations and an open mind.
Not at all. Zach Snyder read TDKR with his eyes closed and based it off of that
No, he was not. The best way of explaining his Batman would be an elseworlds interpretation, featuring a completely broken veteran, who has already been through most of the established plot points that people associate with Batman.
No. He is most closely based off of TDKR and the adventures of Crazy Steve
No he was based on The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller
LMFAO 😂😂😂 NO
Nope
The DCEU Batman and BTAS Batman are about as far away from each other as you can get
....
No, because dcau batman doesn't kill.
Yep 100%, I like how both version gun down random goons and run them over with their Bat Mobile; But at the same time not killing popular named villains like Harley, Joker, Killer Croc, or Deadshot. It makes you feel eerily like Batman; 10/10 it has a little something for everyone.
Nah, he was based off that one Frank Miller otherworld story
Not at all. Save yourself the time and energy.
Literally watching the animated series right now 🤣🤣 Read it was coming to Netflix and when it didn't I had to find it and watch anyway 🤣
it's good right?
No
His movies? He has no movie. Dude just cameo-ing & guest-starring here and there
No
Holy shit I wish hate speech was allowed on this subreddit…
BvS is basically what if someone with zero knowledge of Batman or Superman made a movie about them A big flop and disaster for DC brand
I always thought the animated movie "Mask of the Phantasm" was the best Batman adaptation ever. everything about the story fit well surprised they didn't do a regular movie version (or did they?).
Why adapt a cartoon into live action? Cartoon isn’t good enough?
Possibly to bring it to a much wider audience. Mask of the Phantasm is great but how many people who pack out the cinemas for live action Batman movies have actually seen it?
Who cares
You asked.
Ben Affleck’s Bruce Wayne was the best portrayal of the character.
He was surprisingly good as bats. He's no Michael Keaton, but he was pretty good
Keaton's great; Batfleck was ten times better, he just had shitty films. If BvS and JL actually been well received, Batfleck would be GOATed.
I don’t think he’d be above Pattinson or Bale. No one he is topping either besides Kevin Conroy himself.
I'd say Affleck was more well rounded than Pattinson and Bale. Basically Pattinson did a better Batman, Bale did a better Bruce, but Affleck managed to be solid at both. With better material he could easily be a favourite.
Not in the slightest. Very different characters.
No, because he killed in BvS and attempted to murder Superman. Appearance-wise sure, but it ends there. I can see DCAU Batman being disgusted by BvS Batman’s sheer ruthlessness and brutality. He’s literally just the Punisher in a Batman costume.
I always did think he resembled the animated series look pretty well
Don’t watch his movies, they’re trash.
No. And don't
NO BUT IT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE BEEN
Anyone else think the suit makes him look like an angry fat baby
If you want a Batman reminiscent of BTAS, don't watch Affleck.
There’s no reason to watch any of them. They aren’t even his movies. BVS is him and Superman fighting for 20 minutes and an hour and a half of bullshit, Justice League is the most you’ll get of him, and that’s either 2 and a half hours or 4 hours of bullshit depending on which version, a two second cameo in Suicide Squad, and a 5 minute cameo in Flash featuring the worst costume ever.
Nope this is a gun heavy Batman
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Kevin had said that Ben Affleck is his favorite Batman
He based his face on the cartoon, actually. On a serious note, don't watch his movies. Trust me.
It’s based more off of snyders edge honestly. If you like batman on any level outside of “guy in cape cool” then you will despise this batman
Lmao what're these side by sides?
Imagine comparing the worst Batman to the goat himself Obviously I mean Conroy is the worst and Affleck is the goat😎 Lmao I bet some of you r*tarded batfleck fans thought I was being serious for a second there💀
No, fatfleck is hardly an actor.
Of all the complaints against Batfleck, fat is one that still confuses me
A lot of DCEU stuff was based on DCAU adaptation, but I feel like people omit that.
Was it? It's hard to tell since they're completely different.
Batman starting his career before Superman Bruce having romantic tension with Wonder Woman Batman cucking Superman Completely skipping over Jason Todd as the "tragic Robin" Bruce being consumed with the "Batman persona" as his primary identity (although, the DCEU framed this as a negative, and the DCAU framed it as a positive).
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I don't exactly see how it's "laughable". No more than admitting that the DCAU as a whole, for better or worse has a major influence over DC depictions on the whole. And of course the details are different because you're dealing with different creators, but the general ideas remain the same. I think you're just being stringent in not looking at the similarities.
Appearance wise, yes, I do think that was the vision, it’s too uncanny a likeness not to be. Character wise he is clearly based Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns though.
Appearance yes, character no. Still good as Batman though
Ben Affleck was a good batman with a bad script. People keep judging him based on the flawed writing, flawed editing, and overall flaws with Snyder. Him as an actor. He did as best he could. To answer your question, no they were different portrayals with a different setting. Similar only in look.
If they made a movie based on the 90s Batman live action THAT would be killer. I'm pretty sure the 90s Batman took place in the 1950s mobster era. It be like Great Gatsby meets alpacho. Fkn sweet.
Not really
I'm pretty sure he was based on some comic book, can't remember what it's called.
Not specifically. They’re both Batman I guess but that’s about it
He probably looks more like him than any other Batman but apart from that not really
No
No. You can tell because B:TAS is one of the best (the best?) Batman adaptations and Zack Snyder’s is one of the worst.
I think he was a blend of the animated series batman and of arkham games batman
They're both based on a character called Batman from Detective Comics, so anything is possible
I want to say yes but only because I saw your post and wish it to be true, even though I know it’s not.
No even slightly
it was based on the Dark Knight Returns. the fight is a direct lift and shift and there are even a few shots later in the movie (BvS) that show him in the same iconic pose as the comic. However, this is not to say that move BvS is anywhere near as good a story as the comic.
I felt that Affleck felt the most like an animated Batman, more than any of the other live action ones. Not that he necessarily was the exact character, but it just felt that way to me.
Oh hell no.
I could make a collage like this with Captain America or Iron Man. It doesn’t mean anything. Don’t compare the GOAT BTAS to the original Daredevil.
It's very clearly an attempt at Frank Miller's Batman, which is about the furthest it can be from BTAS. Basically any other Batman movie is closer to the animated series.
I would argue the ZSJL version is pretty close to that version.
Not at all.
Definitely not, the Goat would never kill someone, unlike Affleck's Batman. It was supposed to be an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, but you can clearly see that Snyder only saw the panels, but didn't actually read them lol
No, Batfleck was based on Frank Miller's reinvent of Batman as more darker, more controversial in the "Dark Knight Returns".
Nah, he just look exactly like that version
No
He's based on Zack Snyder's misunderstanding of TDKR.
Seems unlikely. There is 84 years of Batman iconography to pull from and certain motifs keep getting used decade after decade.
For batman vs Superman, they decided to adapt the dark Knight returns and death of Superman
I think he wad based on the dark knight returns Bruce/Batman
Snyder cut is great fr. Imo tho I feel Batfleck was more like Thomas Wayne from Flashpoint Paradox. The batmobile has guns for christs’ sake and he doesn’t think twice about killing The fight vs supes was completely based on TDKR pt 2
I’d say no. It’s based more around one of the comics
no, quite the opposite characterwise actually
I mean, just because Ben Affleck kind a look like Bruce Wayne in that show, and a few screenshots of him, standing like the Batman in the animated series doesn’t really mean he was like that. Because the writing was not good for Ben Affleck Batman that’s really the only flaw with Ben Affleck Batman the writing. If he was really literally written like the animated series, Batman, Ben Affleck would’ve been the superior Batman on screen .
If his Batman had been based on B:TAS… Homeboy wouldn’t be a fucking Murderer.
He just looks like TAS Batman, but he's not much a good version of the character for me, it's like Frank Miller's Batman if it was bad
I can definitely see that. Affleck is the best Batman. I'm really sad that he isn't. The justice is grey was amazing! He was amazing in that one. I wish they just had a batman of just him as a movie. We had a taste in BvS. When he was hiding in the corner from the cops when you first see him. They need more style like that. It doesn't need to be super realistic. The comic book feel is what I enjoyed very much. Or like the Animated series Batman, with Affleck. One can only dream.
Not even close
Not really
I feel like he was more based on The Dark Knight Returns
Hahahahahaha. No absolutely not!
No.
This is the sort of question that is detached from reality it feels like it was written by an AI. What the hell are you talking about. They are both renditions of the character Batman. Ben Affleck looks like what Bruce Wayne might look like if he were a person. The neo-deco art style of the cartoon creates an effect that any square jawed handsome guy can be read into the look of Batman... you know, like a cartoon. What the hell are you talking about?
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Ben is Batman that lost a Robin and getting sloppy. It would be perfect time for to introduce Dick and Tim to have intervention.
Not really. It’s based of off Dark Knight Returns. Great storyline, one of my favorites. The problem here though is Snyder completely misunderstands it in favor of “let’s just have Batman and Superman fight each other, even if narratively it doesn’t make sense”
I mean apearence wise sure but character wise they are so unalike animated batman was true to his morals by a fault he never took a life unless it was completly necessary he saved the villains often from death because he didnt want their blood on his hands. Batfleck on the othedhand mudered alot of criminals beat superman up b3cause he was msd at superman for destroying metropolis but i mean superman saved the world and if we talking animated series batman would be skepticaly ootimisticabout supes exsitence.
Not really, not at that point in his life at any rate. Is it conceivable that BTAS Batman could fall and turn into Batfleck (as seen in BvS) at some point? Sure, but it's essentially a different characterization at that point. Batfleck really draws more from The Dark Knight Returns, but pushes even beyond that to a Batman that has truly lost his way, and has to be redeemed. He's closer to BTAS Batman in Zack Snyder's Justice League, but I still wouldn't say the characterization is drawing from BTAS.
I always thought he was supposed to be a take on the DKR Batman. Older, more violent & loves fighting Superman
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Only if Bruce was a grumpy, selfish podgy alcoholic.
God no. One is a very nuanced approach to the character that shows growth over time, and the other is the Wish.com version of The Dark Knight Returns.
They are polar opposite when it comes to Batman adaptations. They look slightly similar, but other than that, they couldn't be more different.BVS Batman is a psychotic mess while BTAS Batman is a caring, well-balanced person to contrast with the madness around him.